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[Troy]

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Notice​

1. I do not appreciate how Topcat came in and it has caused me more distress and public embarrassment. I genuinely did not know I committed a faux pas. And if this post went against the terms, I would have preferred a private message from him or an admin so I could delete it.

2. I am very open-minded to feedback. I've said it here multiple times, for instance, when Skills friendly roasted me the other day I laughed about it and listened to the advice. However, what I don't like is when someone goes past that line to publicly embarrass me.

3. All COVID restrictions have been lifted in my country. A lot of parties and social events are planned out for the year and I do not have the finances to enjoy them. It is causing major FOMO in my life and that is resulting in depression. Just the cost to enter these events look like this:

(USD)

$30
$55
$129

4. Those events don't include food. For some of them, I even need to book hotel rooms or have my own car in order to get laid consistently. The guys in my city who get laid the most, have their lifestyle together: car, apartment/home, money. For me to go to an event and have to rely on some bush or dirty bathroom to get sex, I am only shooting myself in the foot. Some women need more time to be comfortable. Even myself I need time to get comfortable with the seduction and with such limited options, it is making seduction a real drag.

5. I need to clear out my credit card debt and every time I go on a date/social event, I end up running mental battles with myself

"Put that $10 on my credit card or on a drink at the bar"
"Go to that party and spend $50 on the entry fee or put on my credit card"
"Ask that girl out because she likes me. Hold on wait, if she says yes, now I have to spend $30 + to take her out. Nope, let me put that money on my credit card to repay my debt".

E.t.c. Those mental scripts. The reality is I got other obligations at the moment. I have made investments in sales, marketing, leadership, e.t.c... to grow my financial skills. And I need to repay the damn bank before credit card interest eats me alive.

6. No other advice on GirlsChase is going to magically change my problems. Money is the only answer from here on out. If I get the money I can:

- Go on dates without penny watching
- Relax more in front of women
- Have good logistics to pull women
- If I have a car, I can even experiment on cheap car dates. I just pick up the girl, go for Ice cream and we just chill and talk in the car. Super cheap, good for conversation, and getting laid.
- If I have my apartment, I don't have to worry about family interrupting my sex life. Girls will pull easier and the situation will be there for me to even have a long-term girlfriend. Trust me my life situation is not set up to attract any woman for more than a one-night stand. And I would really appreciate something more concrete eg. a girlfriend at this point in my life.

7. I recently got a promotion (non-pay increase) to:

- Lead others
- Manage KPIs for better staff performance
- Create solutions and present them to the directors of my company on how to grow the company's revenue

If I do a great job over the next couple of weeks to months, I will get opportunities to move to a paid position and get a pay increase. Or I will be able to put that on my resume so I can apply for other jobs and get hired. That will solve all the money problems... then I can come back to the dating scene.

8. I will be doing my best to manage my mental health. It is difficult for me to see beautiful women out and about having a good time with other guys. And the only thing stopping me from taking part in that is the finances. FOMO is eating away at my soul each and every passing day. And summer is right around the corner. I will be taking steps to get the mental health Chase and POB had recommended. I will look for a male therapist as Chase had said.

.........................................................................................

If I happen to see a post where I can help another guy and I genuinely have experience there, I will chime in to share the advice then log right back out.

For now, nothing else to comment on. I'm taking a break from the boards before I end up with more mental problems.

Troy

 

[foggy]

whyyyyyyy!!!

 

[topcat]

Bro.. what value does this provide to the forum? what can we learn from this? how does this help us become more skillful seducers?

Have you thought about this?

What do we as aspiring seducers gain from reading about one paying for sex? what feedback are you looking for from us?

This is disgusting. Suicidal or not, this is ain’t a LR. This is a PR…Paid Report..

 

[Troy]

Bro.. what value does this provide to the forum? what can we learn from this? how does this help us become more skillful seducers?

Have you thought about this?

What do we as aspiring seducers gain from reading about one paying for sex? what feedback are you looking for from us?

This is disgusting. Suicidal or not, this is ain’t a LR. This is a PR…Paid Report..

@topcat damn I was really having a bad 3+ months and you had to come with the judgment. I have deleted the report. I'll take my ass off the boards as my depression starting to rise again. And you ain't helping with the negative comments about it being disgusting.

Now I wish I had kept this to myself. On a consistent basis I think about suicide and I am doing everything in my power to change my life around. I would prefer constructive criticism as I face far too much in my day to day life. (a lot which I have kept private)

 

[topcat]

@topcat damn I was really having a bad 3+ months and you had to come with the judgment. I have deleted the report. I'll take my ass off the boards as my depression starting to rise again. And you ain't helping with the negative comments about it being disgusting.

I care zero. If you try to pass off a detailed report on your encounter with a prostitute as an LR, expect commentary. Your claims to emotional distress don’t protect you from the consequences of uncalibrated behaviour..

 

[Troy]

I care zero. If you try to pass off a detailed report on your encounter with a prostitute as an LR, expect commentary. Your claims to emotional distress don’t protect you from the consequences of uncalibrated behaviour..

This ain't the negative energy I need. I'm not asking you to support what I did. But at the same time, you don't need to be trashing me here. Don't care zero? I don't get it.

You know what...I'm going to log off and go find a solution in the real world. Responses like yours are enough to push a man to suicide.

 

[topcat]

This ain't the negative energy I need. I'm not asking you to support what I did. But at the same time, you don't need to be trashing me here. Don't care zero? I don't get it.

You know what...I'm going to log off and go find a solution in the real world. Responses like yours are enough to push a man to suicide.

*rolls eyes* blame it on me if it you want

 

[Will_V]

@topcat damn I was really having a bad 3+ months and you had to come with the judgment. I have deleted the report. I'll take my ass off the boards as my depression starting to rise again. And you ain't helping with the negative comments about it being disgusting.

Now I wish I had kept this to myself. On a consistent basis I think about suicide and I am doing everything in my power to change my life around. I would prefer constructive criticism as I face far too much in my day to day life. (a lot which I have kept private)

If you want constructive criticism, don't post a hooker encounter in the lay reports section of a seduction forum. That's inviting hard pushback.

You know it wasn't a seduction, we know it wasn't a seduction, it just doesn't belong whatsoever.

Instead, what you need to do is to start working on small things and getting feedback on small things. Improve your style, show pictures of your fashion and get feedback on that. Post field reports of approaches you've made, get feedback on that. Focus on learning how to converse with women, how to enjoy being around them, how to enjoy your life and make it pleasant and satisfying without having those huge emotional ups and downs.

This is one of the most positive and constructive environments on the internet. You can post anything that shows a good attitude and effort, even embarrassing things you'd never tell anyone in your social circle, and guys will jump in, encourage you, give advice and support you. Don't throw that opportunity away by posting something that goes against the entire premise of seduction (paying for sex) and showing no calibration to the social environment you are in.

I know you are an intelligent guy and quite capable of understanding these things, it comes across in the way you write. So don't let your emotions control you and send you careening all over the place, because that's a waste of your own time. Be humble, accept your situation and that work needs to be done to fix it, and focus on building yourself up slowly and consistently as a capable man within the context of seducing (not paying for) women and we will all assist you to do that.

If you need to bang a hooker, personally I don't think it will help you at all, but do it privately and don't post about it in a community dedicated to learning how to make women want your cock rather than your money.

 

[Troy]

*rolls eyes* blame it on me if it you want

I've realized you lack a lot of empathy for people's situations in general. You need to be more humble and stop being so harsh. Just because you don't have a specific problem, does not mean you need to be harsh about it.

Obviously, you are here to learn seduction as well. I specifically said I don't want any judgment... you could have private messaged me and I would have been more understand and could have deleted the post. But no, you blasted me publicly.

Ok keep being you, but you are limiting your opportunities in life by being harsh with people who may (or may not) know better. I sense anger from some of your posts.

If you want constructive criticism, don't post a hooker encounter in the lay reports section of a seduction forum. That's inviting hard pushback.

You know it wasn't a seduction, we know it wasn't a seduction, it just doesn't belong whatsoever.

Instead, what you need to do is to start working on small things and getting feedback on small things. Improve your style, show pictures of your fashion and get feedback on that. Post field reports of approaches you've made, get feedback on that. Focus on learning how to converse with women, how to enjoy being around them, how to enjoy your life and make it pleasant and satisfying without having those huge emotional ups and downs.

This is one of the most positive and constructive environments on the internet. You can post anything that shows a good attitude and effort, even embarrassing things you'd never tell anyone in your social circle, and guys will jump in, encourage you, give advice and support you. Don't throw that opportunity away by posting something that goes against the entire premise of seduction (paying for sex) and showing no calibration to the social environment you are in.

I know you are an intelligent guy and quite capable of understanding these things, it comes across in the way you write. So don't let your emotions control you and send you careening all over the place, because that's a waste of your own time. Be humble, accept your situation and that work needs to be done to fix it, and focus on building yourself up slowly and consistently as a capable man within the context of seducing (not paying for) women and we will all assist you to do that.

If you need to bang a hooker, personally I don't think it will help you at all, but do it privately and don't post about it in a community dedicated to learning how to make women want your cock rather than your money.

Again, would have preferred this to be a private message. I'm logging off. I went from having mild suicidal thoughts to extreme at this time of the night. And tomorrow is a massive party that I am missing and FOMO will be killing me tomorrow.

I wish I didn't say anything

 

[Will_V]

I've realized you lack a lot of empathy for people's situations in general. You need to be more humble and stop being so harsh. Just because you don't have a specific problem, does not mean you need to be harsh about it.

Obviously, you are here to learn seduction as well. I specifically said I don't want any judgment... you could have private messaged me and I would have been more understand and could have deleted the post. But no, you blasted me publicly.

Ok keep being you, but you are limiting your opportunities in life by being harsh with people who may (or may not) know better. I sense anger from some of your posts.


Again, would have preferred this to be a private message. I'm logging off. I went from having mild suicidal thoughts to extreme at this time of the night. And tomorrow is a massive party that I am missing and FOMO will be killing me tomorrow.

I wish I didn't say anything

If you do something uncallibrated publicly expect a public response.

If you need immediate help for suicidal thoughts/depression, there are places for that and this isn't it.

Instead of spectating on your emotions and what they do with your mind, seize control. Go for a jog, do some pushups, clean your room, go and help someone with something they need help with, apply for a job, volunteer somewhere, smell the roses and humble yourself to learn the true nature of reality and how to conquer it.

Spend yourself in any way possible in the pursuit of the betterment of your own situation, because that's the only thing you can do and it also happens to be the best thing.

Based on everything you've written, your practical situation is no good - your living situation, financial situation, social situation. That's what's causing your depression. Until that is improved don't expect to feel good - why would you? Is feeling bad not a normal response to a bad situation? Just move and fix things one by one, starting with anything you can do. Make a list of little things and just go into autopilot, put one foot in front of the other and get them done, regardless of your emotional pain. Disconnect your ability to plan and act from your emotions, which are of no help right now.

Women are carried around in the current of their emotions like deadwood in a raging river, spectating on events without much control, unloading emotional content on others in hopes of sympathy instead of learning from them. That's why they need men, capable of cold logic, planning and decisive action in the face of overwhelming negative emotion or zero odds. And that's OK, because you can take women to bed, put some order into their life and everything is fine.

But for you this is not OK. You are a man. Study what it means to be a man (because unfortunately society does a very bad job of teaching this), what nature built you for, understand and learn how to use the tools that you were provided with. Everything you need is already with you. Become what you were designed for, and you will already be an asset to yourself and everyone you meet, and 99% of your problems will eventually not be able to resist your advance.

Otherwise you will endlessly ride the rollercoaster of your emotions, going nowhere productive, and ending up in strife. Which one would you rather have?

 

[climbingup]

Hope you're ok Troy

 

[ulrich]

Hope you're ok Troy

Me too

 

[Skills]

(Deleted the original post)

Notice​

1. I do not appreciate how Topcat came in and it has caused me more distress and public embarrassment. I genuinely did not know I committed a faux pas. And if this post went against the terms, I would have preferred a private message from him or an admin so I could delete it.

2. I am very open-minded to feedback. I've said it here multiple times, for instance, when Skills friendly roasted me the other day I laughed about it and listened to the advice. However, what I don't like is when someone goes past that line to publicly embarrass me.

3. All COVID restrictions have been lifted in my country. A lot of parties and social events are planned out for the year and I do not have the finances to enjoy them. It is causing major FOMO in my life and that is resulting in depression. Just the cost to enter these events look like this:

(USD)

$30
$55
$129

4. Those events don't include food. For some of them, I even need to book hotel rooms or have my own car in order to get laid consistently. The guys in my city who get laid the most, have their lifestyle together: car, apartment/home, money. For me to go to an event and have to rely on some bush or dirty bathroom to get sex, I am only shooting myself in the foot. Some women need more time to be comfortable. Even myself I need time to get comfortable with the seduction and with such limited options, it is making seduction a real drag.

5. I need to clear out my credit card debt and every time I go on a date/social event, I end up running mental battles with myself

"Put that $10 on my credit card or on a drink at the bar"
"Go to that party and spend $50 on the entry fee or put on my credit card"
"Ask that girl out because she likes me. Hold on wait, if she says yes, now I have to spend $30 + to take her out. Nope, let me put that money on my credit card to repay my debt".

E.t.c. Those mental scripts. The reality is I got other obligations at the moment. I have made investments in sales, marketing, leadership, e.t.c... to grow my financial skills. And I need to repay the damn bank before credit card interest eats me alive.

6. No other advice on GirlsChase is going to magically change my problems. Money is the only answer from here on out. If I get the money I can:

- Go on dates without penny watching
- Relax more in front of women
- Have good logistics to pull women
- If I have a car, I can even experiment on cheap car dates. I just pick up the girl, go for Ice cream and we just chill and talk in the car. Super cheap, good for conversation, and getting laid.
- If I have my apartment, I don't have to worry about family interrupting my sex life. Girls will pull easier and the situation will be there for me to even have a long-term girlfriend. Trust me my life situation is not set up to attract any woman for more than a one-night stand. And I would really appreciate something more concrete eg. a girlfriend at this point in my life.

7. I recently got a promotion (non-pay increase) to:

- Lead others
- Manage KPIs for better staff performance
- Create solutions and present them to the directors of my company on how to grow the company's revenue

If I do a great job over the next couple of weeks to months, I will get opportunities to move to a paid position and get a pay increase. Or I will be able to put that on my resume so I can apply for other jobs and get hired. That will solve all the money problems... then I can come back to the dating scene.

8. I will be doing my best to manage my mental health. It is difficult for me to see beautiful women out and about having a good time with other guys. And the only thing stopping me from taking part in that is the finances. FOMO is eating away at my soul each and every passing day. And summer is right around the corner. I will be taking steps to get the mental health Chase and POB had recommended. I will look for a male therapist as Chase had said.

.........................................................................................

If I happen to see a post where I can help another guy and I genuinely have experience there, I will chime in to share the advice then log right back out.

For now, nothing else to comment on. I'm taking a break from the boards before I end up with more mental problems.

Troy

"don't be afraid of enemies that attack you. Be afraid of friends that flatter you." Dale carnagie...

@topcat was not trying to embarrassed you he was telling you the truth...... People need to stop babing you, that is why you are were you are...

Your total money excuse, is total none sense.... You act like you are the only broke player, 100s of evidence o multiple guys that get laid without relaying on money..... The post above is total cope....

There is even a netflix movie based on real life called the tinder swindler....

The whole point of the seduction community is to get laid without relaying on money, looks, status, social circle..... you have a bunch of underlying cope post, here AGAIN, Is a whole FIELD TESTED, resources, on how to get laid with no money, no 1 not 2 no 3 girls HUNDREDS, i wish i could take a lie detector (guys here like lobo, velasco etc...) recently getting laid with no money.... Instead of putting a gun to your head, paying for prostitutes or going after guys that are actually are telling you to stop coping, read and field test, finally if you can not get this little shit from topcat how you are going to deal with the shit women throw at you????

How guys with no money typically get laid and get girlfriends....

Disclaimer.- I am not game game game camp. As a matter of fact i started as a natural fighting seduction dudes, little by little became more middle of the road dude, i have been part of the anti-game community, the red pill, the seduction community and i was before this a natural with hundreds...

www.skilledseducer.com

Most effective way to ask women on a day

How to maximize your results seeing a woman that you just met a second time while minimizing her chances of not showing or flaking.

www.theskillsmethod.com

Ways to avoid paying for clubs

these are ways not to pay when going to clubs.

www.theskillsmethod.com

 

[climbingup]

Skills out here preaching the truth, watch those vids Troy!

 

[Beam]

Came here all excited thinking "holy shit Troy got some!". Left disappointed. Wish I coulda read the original post.

 

[Chubadoo]

Just move and fix things one by one, starting with anything you can do. Make a list of little things and just go into autopilot, put one foot in front of the other and get them done, regardless of your emotional pain. Disconnect your ability to plan and act from your emotions, which are of no help right now.

This basically. You're in a bad situation? Move, do something about it. You're not a tree.

Find different goals and priorities in your life like hitting the gym and getting ripped, do nofap and get that testosterone up.

When I'm desperate and chasing for pussy it's running away even further and I fail to even get any, when idgaf it all goes down at once, when it rains it pours. Find some things in life that make you feel happy and go after them, women aren't it at the moment.

Having a car, your own home, money, being rich? That won't necessarily bring you pussy (look at Elliot Rodger), unless of course, you wanna pay for it.

There's so many other places in which you can get pussy from besides expensive clubs and parties, hell, my friend's broke AF, he doesn't have a car and yet he's still got a girlfriend that drives him around town.

Look at the positive things in life, you're fit and healthy to improve yourself, and not a cripple, so get your shit together

 

[Skills]

This basically. You're in a bad situation? Move, do something about it. You're not a tree.

Find different goals and priorities in your life like hitting the gym and getting ripped, do nofap and get that testosterone up.

When I'm desperate and chasing for pussy it's running away even further and I fail to even get any, when idgaf it all goes down at once, when it rains it pours. Find some things in life that make you feel happy and go after them, women aren't it at the moment.

Having a car, your own home, money, being rich? That won't necessarily bring you pussy (look at Elliot Rodger), unless of course, you wanna pay for it.

There's so many other places in which you can get pussy from besides expensive clubs and parties, hell, my friend's broke AF, he doesn't have a car and yet he's still got a girlfriend that drives him around town.

Look at the positive things in life, you're fit and healthy to improve yourself, and not a cripple, so get your shit together

^ he should do all of the above cause that is what we all should be doing by default, just like going to the bathroom.... the mimute a dude think he gets all of the above, aka red pillers and dont get pussy anyways, is not like women get a cell text troy got ripped. Got money and car, time to open him and fuck him... this is what actually wiill make people into elliot cause any dude that gets laid here knows that is not how it works, though the red pill community keep insisting this none sense...