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Well guys, yesterday was my 4th and final night out in a row and it was a good one. I am going to have a break and my next night out will probably be in the club requiring the hiring of an Airbnb as I am getting fed up of walking up and down the high street for game. Also, I am finding street approaches seem to lack the context of venue approaches and thus the probability is oh so low.

My usual street approach is a variation on "Hi girls, looking amazing, how is your night going?"

This doesn't usually hook the set and a lot of sets don't usually stop for this even from a frontal approach.

I would say it was pretty quiet in my small approaching city out last night.

Venue 1

I went to a venue known as a "games bar" where they served their clients alcohol and also had these games for people to play. It seems someone is getting married, there is a bride and people wearing those things that go diagonally with "bridesmaids" written on them or whatever.

This puts me in my head as there are a lot of them there and it makes me feel like I have gatecrashed a private event without realising, however it does seem that it is open to the public as well. I see a group of young people who look like they are separate, which confirms it is open to the public.

I see a hot girl who is part of a group of people not involved in the wedding and trying asking "hey, is this someone's wedding tonight or what" I try once and get ignored. I try again and get ignored. I'm pretty sure, she is deliberately ignoring me. Not wanting to attract the security, I decide to try talking to a group of blokes, just to warm up. They also either can't hear me or ignore me. One tries to offer his ear to hear me and I try talking into it but he can't hear. So I hang around a bit more but this venue is not really on an "approaching vibe" and I do feel self conscious being on my own.

So after using the bathroom I decide to head back out to the high street and get some proper street approaches in. I get a couple in and walk up and down the high street a few times before I got into a chat with a "big issue" magazine seller. He started talking about approaching girls, giving tips and advice from his perspective. So, we stuck a deal. I bought him a beer and he would show me his game. To be fair, he got us solidly into 2 sets. One set of 3 girls and one guy on the street and one pair of 2 girls inside a venue.

The 3 set on the street was a hot brunette who was drunk and loud, the problem with girls like this is that I have no idea how to interact with them. They were tying to get us to sing along to a song, and as you know, I do not do that kind of thing. They were with this weird little young presumably Spanish guy who they seemed to have met that night. The big issue selling guy was good in this interaction, but I had no idea.

So there was no matching vibe with that set and as such I did not try to close the set as it was clear I felt awkward. The little brunette was my type. A real sticking point is dealing with loud over excited drunk girls. I have no idea what to do. In the end, I actually wanted to get away from them and continue with our objective of going to the venue. Should I have asked for her number? I couldn't see her giving it, we had barely spoken.

The venue

The venue is a small place down a side street where most of the revellers tend to congregate on the street outside due to the small size of the indoor area. This is good for me as I find outdoors less cloustrophobic than indoors.

He also tried another set inside the venue but they were a set I had approached on the street and got a blowout so I warned him off them because I didn't want them to make a fuss about us to the security and the venue is generally known as a "safe" venue as I haven't had any run ins with the security there.

So I open another pair standing against the wall. It seems that this set were not too drunk. The two girls were quite chavy but it was still good. A somewhat fat one was the one talking to me and she was quite close, it was nice. She was a 6/10, more than doable and had a large chest. I could feel tinglings in my groin area as she was speaking quite close to my face which is always a good sign that they are atleast somewhat attracted.

Now, he was carrying the interaction for sure. But, at one point, one girl was talking to him and the bigger girl was talking to me. This was when I experienced groinal tinglings. The large chested chavy girl was talking close to my face and I liked it.

In the end, he blew the set, by suggesting he was leaving and asking them to "look after" me. They said "we have to go" and went to sit down on benches. I don't blame him, I know he was trying to get them to stay with me, but I have no idea what to do with girls at a venue other than some small talk, followed by an attempted number close and then try to repeat that process with another set. So what would I have done if they agreed to "look after me" anyway. How would I have escalated that to a lay? The big chested chavy girl was actually from the small town adjacent to the one where I live.

He and I went inside and he got talking to another guy which he knew from another occasion, at which point I took my leave. I like the freedom of pounding the high street, I find venues cloustrophobic and restrictive. More than 1 approach per venue feels like I am pushing my luck unless it is a club where approaching can be hidden more easily. But even then, as my experience a few months ago shows, you have to be careful even in the club.

And, bear in mind, this guy was a skinny alcoholic 50 year old who was quite stinky, no offense to him. But he was getting results. The girls seemed to enjoy his openers. His philosophy when talking to girls was "as soon as you think, it's over". He also had a benefit from being drunk, he had a pocket bottle of vodka to help get him through his shift of selling magazines on the street.

I actually think I have already spoken to him in daygame, as he seemed vaguely familiar. I do try to give the homeless/big issue sellers some time of day as well, when I am out on daygame.

After the interactions with my newfound wing, I am back pounding the high street. I have about an hour before I have to catch the last bus at 2315 and that means I can get a couple of street approaches in.

A notable street approach was when a 3 set was coming towards me in the old high street part. It was completely deserted, apart from a tourist couple who I don't think were too impressed with the city or British nightlife in general.

As the 3 set were coming towards me, I open with "Girls...HI" as I planted my feet directly in front of the group.

The group paid attention, but did not stop, despite me getting directly in front of them.

I tried to make conversation by asking "how's you're night going" as they were walking away. They said "good thanks" so I ask a last ditch "do you want to hang out later" to which they said "No, thanks" in that sarcastic chavy way they often do.

They were very hot and I didn't expect much success. But I was happy for 2 reasons.

1. It was a dark, deserted high street and I usually wouldn't approach due to the self limiting belief that it would be "too creepy".

2. They were classically hot chavs and I know the chances of a result with them are slim. Despite this, it was a strong approach. I really liked my voice tonality and how I paused before saying "Hi" as I planted my feet in front of the set.

After this set, I walked past the weatherspoon's where I was challenged by skin heads a couple of years ago.

A group of lads jostling boisterously with each other bumped into the tourist couple. I think the guy was annoyed as he shoved one of them away. The lads were too drunk to react. I do not think the suspected Spanish tourist liked their general behaviour and I do not blame him. I hate the British so called "nightlife" culture, I really do. But it's where the sexy girls are.

I am normally too scared to approach outside this venue, but I saw too girls sitting outside as I was walking by and just did a quick "hit and run" and opened with "Hi, you girls look great" to which they said "no thanks". The whole approach was over in about 5 seconds and I leave before security can take notice. I look back and the security guard doesn't go over to check in with them, which is a good sign they might have forgotten me. Or atleast the approach was not too obvious.

After this, my bus is due, so I go back to the main square and do a weak "not directly Infront" approach on a couple of girls going into McDonald's (hey, what can I say, in this city, the "main course" is a helping of chavs with a side of more chavs) where they don't stop for me but I say I think they look "really really really good" as a jokey exaggeration. They say "thanks" as they disappear into the barriers designed to funnel people into the entrance and keep revellers from causing trouble.

Well, that is a sum of the night out. I would say out of the 4 weekends in a row, this one was the best. The big issue magazine seller was clearly a highlight of the night. He was actually good but how much of it was due to alcohol? The reason I don't drink alcohol is 1. For training, I need all the Test I can get due to bodybuilding and martial arts. 2. Because I don't want to rely on alcohol to get into state.

It does seem that reactions are better when you are with a wing. The 2 set in the venue with the big chested chavy girl was a highlight and a memory to savour. The overly excited little brunette in the 3 set was also fun. But a hassle to chat to.

I am glad to have pushed myself to go out 4 weekends in a row but I can safely say I do not enjoy it. It is inefficient and such ridiculously low probability to even get a phone number. The best I can hope for is an interaction that lasts more than 1 minute. Forget about a lay, I am lucky if I can experience groinal tinglings. Groinal tinglings are the closest I think I am ever going to get to a lay.

I do think club game needs revisiting as I suppose part of the "social proof," of club game is that you have been allowed into the venue and are not just some random weird guy harassing girls on the high street.

However, to do so, I will need a hotel (approx £80 per night) or Airbnb (approx £60 per night) to stay late enough to hit the club. And then to have a chance of a lay it has to be near enough to bring the venue to bring the girl back and lay her.

And, I do want a break from my small approaching city. I can feel, it is time for change. I want anonymity, where I am not paranoid that girls or security guards have seen me walking up and down and think I'm weird for it. Dare I say "London is calling"....

Maybe my next field report will be from the big, bad city! Stay tuned...
 

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After the interactions with my newfound wing, I am back pounding the high street. I have about an hour before I have to catch the last bus at 2315 and that means I can get a couple of street approaches in.

Eh?? 23.15 - nightgame starts after taat. You are doing "evening game" and what nightgamers would call "warm up sets". The real nigtgame starts at 1 am if not later.

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Eh?? 23.15 - nightgame starts after taat. You are doing "evening game" and what nightgamers would call "warm up sets". The real nigtgame starts at 1 am if not later.

-Teevster
Well, that is my only option without dropping 60-80£ on an accommodation

Also, I don't like staying up too late either. So to do a full nightgame session until 2am would be very punishing to do every weekend.

Is that your only contribution?
 
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Well, that is my only option without dropping 60-80£ on an accommodation

Also, I don't like staying up too late either. So to do a full nightgame session until 2am would be very punishing to do every weekend.

Is that your only contribution?
Yes, because in the history of nightgame, no one has ever pulled consistently at this time. This is simply not an effective way to approach nightgame.

First of all, most women are in transit — they are on their way somewhere. This makes it difficult to hook, as the likelihood of them stopping is very low.

Secondly, standards tend to be higher at this hour. Your own standards usually decrease as the night progresses, and the same is true for women. In the early part of the night, many are still in the mindset of “waiting for the prince from afar.” As the night goes on, they tend to become more grounded and realistic.

Lastly, your chances of pulling at this time are close to zero. It is possible — I have done it — but in my 15 years of nightgaming, I believe I can count on one hand how many times I have pulled before 1 a.m.

You might argue that you can at least get a number, but those numbers will be extremely flaky. Once she goes home, you are likely to be forgotten. She has probably met several men since you, possibly made out with some, and maybe even hooked up. By then, your number is no longer relevant.

So that is my only contribution here, because in my opinion, it is the correct one.

If you are unable to do nightgame properly, either consider relocating or focus on daygame, online dating, or building a social circle. Alternatively, take a cheap holiday to a party resort near the coast. Albania, Bulgaria (the best option), and Turkey (also quite good) are all known to be affordable and effective for this purpose.

Best,
Teevs
 

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You might argue that you can at least get a number, but those numbers will be extremely flaky. Once she goes home, you are likely to be forgotten. She has probably met several men since you, possibly made out with some, and maybe even hooked up. By then, your number is no longer relevant.

You know, that reminds me of the old pre-COVID nightgame days. Now that I think about it, I don't think I've seen that kind of thing happen even once in the last few years. Looking back, I do remember several instances where I saw chicks make out with multiple guys in one night. On some occasions, I’d make out with a chick, then see her ten minutes later making out with another random dude. I remember another time when I saw a guy enter a venue, join a dance circle with one of those sloppy "make out with everybody" chicks, start making out with her, abandon her, then start gaming a mid blond--and within 10–20 minutes, just pull her out of the club.


I haven’t seen anything like that in the last few years. What I see now is mostly a club full of men and women not talking to each other, not getting drunk and sloppy, and rarely hooking up.

ps: I also rarely stay out past midnight but have on occasion. Being the only guy mass approaching in a venue probably makes me want to get out of there early.
 

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Lastly, your chances of pulling at this time are close to zero. It is possible — I have done it — but in my 15 years of nightgaming, I believe I can count on one hand how many times I have pulled before 1 a.m.
Which is one of the reasons the earliest I’ll ever get to the bar is 1:30am
 

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Yes, because in the history of nightgame, no one has ever pulled consistently at this time. This is simply not an effective way to approach nightgame.

First of all, most women are in transit — they are on their way somewhere. This makes it difficult to hook, as the likelihood of them stopping is very low.

Secondly, standards tend to be higher at this hour. Your own standards usually decrease as the night progresses, and the same is true for women. In the early part of the night, many are still in the mindset of “waiting for the prince from afar.” As the night goes on, they tend to become more grounded and realistic.

Lastly, your chances of pulling at this time are close to zero. It is possible — I have done it — but in my 15 years of nightgaming, I believe I can count on one hand how many times I have pulled before 1 a.m.

You might argue that you can at least get a number, but those numbers will be extremely flaky. Once she goes home, you are likely to be forgotten. She has probably met several men since you, possibly made out with some, and maybe even hooked up. By then, your number is no longer relevant.

So that is my only contribution here, because in my opinion, it is the correct one.

If you are unable to do nightgame properly, either consider relocating or focus on daygame, online dating, or building a social circle. Alternatively, take a cheap holiday to a party resort near the coast. Albania, Bulgaria (the best option), and Turkey (also quite good) are all known to be affordable and effective for this purpose.

Best,
Teevs
That's a good breakdown, thanks for that.

That's not the first time I have read about the prime time being later at night. The trouble is, staying up late is pure torture to me, I just want to be tucked up in bed.

And the women being in transit, yes, it is a problem. They are trying to get to a venue, not be approached by some weird creepy guy. They want to be in the venue where only high value men have been given the okay by the security team.

Why don't I do daygame you cry? I do daygame, but it just doesn't deliver the volume. Plus with any girl under 30, there is always the added hesitation of "wait...is she underaged" which gets tiresome trying to figure it out before every approach. Daygame is an exercise in frustration and often a hiding to nothing.

It's funny that you should mention turkey, as I was in Antalya earlier this year. I did go out to the nightlife there and also ran daygame.

I got a lot of cringe reactions from trying to approach there. I also ran night street game but ran into the same problems.
 

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You might argue that you can at least get a number, but those numbers will be extremely flaky. Once she goes home, you are likely to be forgotten. She has probably met several men since you, possibly made out with some, and maybe even hooked up. By then, your number is no longer relevant.

Just wanted to add that I personally have found numbers from Night Game to be WAYYYYY more reliable if you met her very late (as in just before the venue closes or they are about to go home)

If she was into you during the open and you got her number, higher chance she will remember you the next day since you were probably the last guy to talk to her

I think it taps into the phycological effect that people are more likely to remember the end of a movie more strongly rather than the middle

Also found giving IG (if you have a good one) seems to help, or if you don't have IG send her a picture of you doing something the next day or a video message so she can remember what you look like

Numbers are still not ideal but I noticed it works out better when I've done it this way
 

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You know, that reminds me of the old pre-COVID nightgame days. Now that I think about it, I don't think I've seen that kind of thing happen even once in the last few years. Looking back, I do remember several instances where I saw chicks make out with multiple guys in one night. On some occasions, I’d make out with a chick, then see her ten minutes later making out with another random dude. I remember another time when I saw a guy enter a venue, join a dance circle with one of those sloppy "make out with everybody" chicks, start making out with her, abandon her, then start gaming a mid blond--and within 10–20 minutes, just pull her out of the club.


I haven’t seen anything like that in the last few years. What I see now is mostly a club full of men and women not talking to each other, not getting drunk and sloppy, and rarely hooking up.

ps: I also rarely stay out past midnight but have on occasion. Being the only guy mass approaching in a venue probably makes me want to get out of there early.
those days are over....
 

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I think it taps into the phycological effect that people are more likely to remember the end of a movie more strongly rather than the middle
Yes. It’s taking advantage of the psychological heuristic called peak-end rule. Only downside is if when you got your number she was too drunk and doesn’t remember who you are the next day
 

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Which is one of the reasons the earliest I’ll ever get to the bar is 1:30am

As much as it is always better to warm up, and go out early to get more time getting into the mood and building some momentum, we both admit we are both too lazy to follow the "best course of action" lol.

I too tend to go out around 1, even in places where things close at 3 (in places where clubs close later, I'd go out even later). I know it is better to start early, but after a while, we can all agree that taking shortcuts is allowed lol.

Beginners should not follow this advice and should start early in order to waem up. This is also recommended if you do not want to stand in long lines, and ensure also to ensure you do get into more selective venue. This is not an issue if you know the bouncers/pickers though. Again, "shortcuts" are only recommended for more experienced guys.

-Teevster
 
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Just wanted to add that I personally have found numbers from Night Game to be WAYYYYY more reliable if you met her very late (as in just before the venue closes or they are about to go home)

If she was into you during the open and you got her number, higher chance she will remember you the next day since you were probably the last guy to talk to her

I think it taps into the phycological effect that people are more likely to remember the end of a movie more strongly rather than the middle

Also found giving IG (if you have a good one) seems to help, or if you don't have IG send her a picture of you doing something the next day or a video message so she can remember what you look like

Numbers are still not ideal but I noticed it works out better when I've done it this way

Yes I agree with this, for as long as they are not too drunk or heading to afterparties (or gets booty called by the fuck buddy).

Lots of ifs, but all things being equal... this is the way.

Still - I'd rather go for same nigth lays. Always a better strategy in nightgame - by far.

-Teevster
 

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You know, that reminds me of the old pre-COVID nightgame days. Now that I think about it, I don't think I've seen that kind of thing happen even once in the last few years. Looking back, I do remember several instances where I saw chicks make out with multiple guys in one night. On some occasions, I’d make out with a chick, then see her ten minutes later making out with another random dude. I remember another time when I saw a guy enter a venue, join a dance circle with one of those sloppy "make out with everybody" chicks, start making out with her, abandon her, then start gaming a mid blond--and within 10–20 minutes, just pull her out of the club.


I haven’t seen anything like that in the last few years. What I see now is mostly a club full of men and women not talking to each other, not getting drunk and sloppy, and rarely hooking up.

ps: I also rarely stay out past midnight but have on occasion. Being the only guy mass approaching in a venue probably makes me want to get out of there early.

Yeah don't make out with such chicks. They are still there, but less frequent than back in 2010s (or prior to that). Making out with a bunch of dudes was seen as cool back then. Not sure if that was a good thing to be honest. You had to deal with "freaks", attention seeking behaviours, framewars, and all that crap. Also was annoying - I was getting colds and throat infections almost every 3 months. Was annoying.

That said, they still hook up - but will not go on a "make out rampage". They usually make out with one or max two dudes - those they are most likely to hook up with.

And yes, this always happens past midnight - usually during "prime-time" or "twilight zone" as RSD used to call it - around 1-2 hours before the clubs shut. Very little "juicy stuff" happens prior to that.

-Teevster
 

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That's a good breakdown, thanks for that.

That's not the first time I have read about the prime time being later at night. The trouble is, staying up late is pure torture to me, I just want to be tucked up in bed.

Hey there.

Thanks!

Well, it is a known fact that prime time is later at night. When something is commonly agreed upon in a community where people love disagreeing on almost everything, you should for sure consider it to be a "universal truth".
And the women being in transit, yes, it is a problem. They are trying to get to a venue, not be approached by some weird creepy guy. They want to be in the venue where only high value men have been given the okay by the security team.

The main beauty of nightgame, aside from the vibe and volume, is that you operate in a closed off environment - an eco-system you can "manipulate". but for this to be possible, people need to "settle in" - as in "settle into the eco-system". Before that, it is almost like approaching girls on the metro in the morning - they are likely on their way to work, and you are not their priority.

Why don't I do daygame you cry? I do daygame, but it just doesn't deliver the volume. Plus with any girl under 30, there is always the added hesitation of "wait...is she underaged" which gets tiresome trying to figure it out before every approach. Daygame is an exercise in frustration and often a hiding to nothing.

Well, I am a nightgamer so no need to convince me about the benefits of nightgame. I find daygame too slow, too boring and too "flat". But I do know that one can get really good at it and avoid the frustrations you mention. Trust me, nightgame can be frustrating too, if not more. You may not have experienced it because you leave before the show begins - but yeah, nightgame is known as wildcard zone, and you need to learn how to deal with tons of bullshit and crap.

Now, I understand your logistical situation and I cannot really give you any solutions to your "overarching" problem. However, I just gave you my analysis based on my knowledge of nightgame - and you are doing it wrong - from a strategic macro-perspective.
It's funny that you should mention turkey, as I was in Antalya earlier this year. I did go out to the nightlife there and also ran daygame.

I got a lot of cringe reactions from trying to approach there. I also ran night street game but ran into the same problems.

I haven't been to turkey in a long time. But I reckon nightlife in Antalya to be quite nice. The food though... the food...

-Teevster
 
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