Age, pickup, game, and my epiphany.

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Only a day ago, I argued with forum members on a thread by @theodous about whether or not it gets harder after the age of 30. I was in the camp that it undoubtedly gets harder while others like @naturalmikey @Tony D @Skills and @Mr.Rob were saying it is not really that bad.

Playing devil's advocate for my beliefs:

Even living where I live (NYC), it is not that common for men over the age of 30 to be going around, "gaming", and jumping from woman to woman. Most men I know over the age of 30 who are high value are tied down in an LTR. Even the places I normally go out to in the city are mainly people in their 20s with their friend groups, some of them regulars, who go out together. All in all, it is not that common for me to run into guys who are living that playboy life after the age of 30. Even online when I have read posts from older men and talked to older men, they tend to be in the morally self-righteous camp of condemning the playboy lifestyle.

Then you factor in that quite a few people over the age of 30 are tied down into relationships, women in particular, and the odds initially don't seem that great.

But I was off and I was too negative.

With men the likes of Dan Bilzerian and our very own @Seppuku walking this fine earth, maybe I was off. Even in my own life I have known men over the age of 30 who seemed to break the mold and be the guy who was jumping from woman to woman, having a lot of casual sex, and living the party life. I look at the likes of @Franco and @Grand Pooba (after he is done fucking the 50th different Asian chick this month lol) who have been my very own role models in the game and think of all that can be possible.

To think eitherway about getting older is toxic or risky.

I have it way better in my mid-20s right now than I ever had it in college, that despite going to a school that in recent years has been named the number 1 party school in America. I would not have thought it would get easier at all, if you were to tell me that, I would have called you crazy. The truth is though, I busted my ass to make it better.

To think that the game will get better with age is toxic, you will undoubtedly have to put a great deal of work in. It won't magically get better.

To think there is no light at the end of the tunnel is arguably, perhaps, even worse. Imagine if Hugh Hefner or Dan Bilzerian thought like that.

But I had an epiphany where I genuinely asked myself this question, who the fuck knows?

What if there are plenty of men over the age of 30 living like Dan Bilzerian (or a lighter version of him), sleeping with beautiful women, partying hard, and living the life that even the wealthiest frat boy at a top 5 party school envies? Who knows? Maybe such men are actually real and not a figment of our imagination.

Most of all, I DON'T KNOW, and that's actually pretty freeing.

Despite my life experience or that of many others out there, we don't know. Is it possible on paper? Hell yeah.

Just because 80% of men over the age of 30 with good value are getting wifed up and living the shitty family life, well, does that mean everyone else has to?

I don't believe so, the beautiful thing about game and life these days is, who knows? I never knew my life after college would have so many moments to it where I never want to go back to school, ever, no matter HOW much society hypes up the overrated "college experience". Meanwhile, it is completely plausible that I am so balls deep in the hottest pussy out there in my 30s that I look at my 20s and go never again.

Maybe I avoid the negativity, marriage trap, and morally self-righteous attitude that plagues so many older men and become one of the very few who makes it.

Perhaps there is beauty in blooming late.

But that's the epiphany, who knows?

In this day and age, who is to say that some 35 year old guy cannot fuck a different girl every week and party and have a fun cool life?

Who knows?

 

[Skills]

i don't get how you have laid 105 girls, and you are one of the most kjs posters i ever encounter in more than 10 years multiple forums... I hope you stop with your ignorance and start hanging out with 30 and 40 plus guys that got game....

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

i don't get how you have laid 105 girls, and you are one of the most kjs posters i ever encounter in more than 10 years multiple forums... I hope you stop with your ignorance and start hanging out with 30 and 40 plus guys that got game....

I'll ignore the KJ comment.

Because I have done so through online dating, social circles, luck, and occasionally through traditional pickup methods. As for my world, I do not run into that many older guys that are living that player life, it's relatively rare unless they have put forth a serious investment and lifestyle choice in it.

 

[Skills]

I'll ignore the KJ comment.

Because I have done so through online dating, social circles, luck, and occasionally through traditional pickup methods. As for my world, I do not run into that many older guys that are living that player life, it's relatively rare unless they have put forth a serious investment and lifestyle choice in it.

i am not saying you are i am saying your comments are totally out there... And yes if you do enough night/club game you will find a lot of guys in real life... From the forum and books, the best guys were in their 30s when they were getting laid the most and develop their methods....

Even online cocporn is in his mid 40s and pulling teenage ass...

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

i am not saying you are i am saying your comments are totally out there... And yes if you do enough night/club game you will find a lot of guys in real life... From the forum and books, the best guys were in their 30s when they were getting laid the most and develop their methods....

Even online cocporn is in his mid 40s and pulling teenage ass...

I do not see it as much in real life but then again, what do I know?

I've seen it here and there, it isn't entirely unheard of, but from what you read and the heavy pressure on men to settle down with age (after 30 typically), it is a barrier.

Then again, point of this thread being, what do I know?

The great Dan Bilzerian is in his 30s.

Hugh Hefner was in his 30s when he was peaking.

My general takeaway is that men in their 20s might have a better floor but older guys have a better ceiling if things fall into place.

Again, what do I know of all that is possible?

There's a world out there!

 

[Seppuku]

But I had an epiphany where I genuinely asked myself this question, who the fuck knows?

Those who know what they are talking about are precisely us, senior members who are 35+, whose responses you keep dismissing. And what we are all telling you is it actually gets easier with age.

In this day and age, who is to say that some 35 year old guy cannot fuck a different girl every week and party and have a fun cool life?

Who knows?

We know, and keep telling you. But what we have to say doesn't fit your made up limiting beliefs.

I was about to write a longer answer, but it is just a waste of time. You can't discuss with someone who's not willing to listen.

To the moderators:
It would be nice to have a "life sucks after 30" garbage thread, like we did for race rants. This discussion is getting old.

 

[flatron]

Depends what girls you go after. Obviously most of the super hot 16-18 year olds will instantly dismiss a 35 year old and won't find him attractive, but that 35 year old can still bang tonnes of like 25-40 year olds if he's handsome/attractive enough for their tastes

 

[Skills]

Depends what girls you go after. Obviously most of the super hot 16-18 year olds will instantly dismiss a 35 year old and won't find him attractive, but that 35 year old can still bang tonnes of like 25-40 year olds if he's handsome/attractive enough for their tastes

^ lol another one! not true, jesus christ!

 

[Tank]

A lot of beating of a dead horse here, but a few observations and thoughts as I know many men of various success levels in their 30s and 40s

1) Most things in life you actively work on accumulate. So things like flirting skill and physique would increase as you age simply because you spend time working on them. So if you take care of yourself, in terms of basic physiological response, it's pretty clear how up to a certain age (mid 50s?) where degradation becomes inevitable you can become more attractive. But most men fall off the wagon out of fear or laziness. (hell myself included to a point, and I'm trying to get back on)
2) Yes, due to social stigma, a significant % of the hottest girls, who are obviously from the local age of consent up to age 22, will balk at sleeping with a much older man. The thing is, a) not all do and some even prefer older men b) you can lie about your age for quite some time and c) you can gravitate towards game which requires less social approval (same-day-lay oriented daygame versus social circle being the two extremes).
3) You have a very particular vision of success, the Dan Blitzerian lifestyle. Most men as they age develop a higher sense of purpose and wish for accomplishment and wish to maintain enough time and energy to build businesses or make their mark in the world in some significant way, and end up preferring organizing their women life in such a way which involves just as much sex with just as hot women, or close to it, but without the reckless substance abuse and aimless "hanging out" that you perceive as a "high value lifestyle". Obviously this is much less visible, and in general men care a lot more about how much they enjoy life versus how cool other people think they are.

Oh yea, one of my wings is 41 and dating a 16 year old, a 19 year old an a 21 year old, all hot.

 

[Tony D]

One thing I lack going into my forties is desire. I've slept with a lot of beautiful women. No, I never lived like Dan Bilzerian but I'm not a pro gambler and never a Navy Seal either. In my twenties I had that invincible I can do anything ambition, know it all, get out of my way attitude. Now I have more of an awareness of my limits, mortality, and some ego smashing experiences. You calm down a bit with age, in regards to certain things. I feel like I'm looking more for knowledge and wisdom. I'm trying to be closer to my friends and family, rather than escaping them to travel the world sticking my dick in things (though I continue to do so).

Sometimes I wish I still had that early to mid twenties drive though. Through my thirties it morphed from wanting to fuck everything that moved to a desire for power. So instead of being a rockstar, I became an author, and travelled the world a bit, which I haven't stopped. I still enjoy seducing women but if I don't go out and get pussy this weekend, I really don't care. I mean... I could live alone in the woods with a dog, no problem.

So you do have a point. Thanks for admitting you're a bit, I hate to say the word "ignorant" but it's what you used. But in a way, you're right. Being in your twenties, with game, in college, you could have a lot of good times with women, partying, designing your lifestyle and personality. Many guys in their thirties just get married, crank out a few kids, get a job at some office or factory, get fat, then divorced, and that's it. But we're all on this forum because we're not really those sorts of men, are we?

Men who get to do what we do, we're like 2% of men on the planet. Most guys sleep with something like 7 women their whole life. My cousin is two year younger than me. We grew up together. He's had maybe three girlfriends his whole life, lives in his mom's basement, works in a garage door factory all day, then drinks a six pack, eats a bag of perogies and falls asleep at his computer games. He's massively obese, depressed, it makes me sad because he has so much potential...

Not all men are going to follow the path of the player into their thirties, that's for sure. But if they're great at it in their twenties and they remain single, then they can kill it in their thirties. You don't have to be famous at all. You just have to have a desire for that experience, work ethic and the skill to employ your strategy. Some girls are like "Ewww, you're 35?" But as long as you look young/cool, there are so many that don't give a shit. Even to this day I teach bootcamps and my students who are usually between 21-31, want to be my new best friend. They don't care that I'm almost a middle aged man, because I have something they want.

But do I have any interest in going to frat parties? It's just not my scene. Been there, done that. I'd love to go back in time and be a youth again, but it's not gonna happen. So when you're aging past those fun, crazy times, be present, and enjoy the man you are, not who you were.

And if you're just starting in your thirties, then everything that happened to you up to now... that's just the way it was supposed to happen. Accept it and move forward. No regrets.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

See that is the brick wall I am running into with this discussion. People here seem to think that having your "life purpose" or higher-order shit is going to contribute to getting hot girls. Unless that very thing is tied into something women are attracted to (modeling, partying, etc.), it is not going to get you shit.

I get that people are trying to encourage the best behavior with younger men and get them to leave a mark on the world or whatever, fine and dandy, but be honest here. To get hot women, you have to want to get hot women, and yes I am happy @Tony D came around to my point around this.

Now I don't care if you are some rich frat guy or Dan Bilzerian, the thing is, both types of men made it a life purpose to fuck hot women.

So when I see all these posts by older dudes claiming a "life purpose" or being holier than thou about things, I have to call the shit out. I don't call it out of maliciousness or even out of disrespect, men are fine to be whatever they are. I call it out because I want to add reality to it all.

Even at my age, I have to set aside time for dates, going out, and approaching to get women. It was even busier a year ago when I was meeting women through social circle and hobbies, this shit was an investment.

Now it is plausible that some 35 year old dude becomes a club owner and swims in pussy, seen it happen.

Maybe he becomes a model photographer and swims in pussy, known a couple.

Yet the dudes claiming "life purpose" and taking the moral high ground are going to be behind and that's just the truth of it all. Most hot young girls do not care about your coding or philosophical shit, they are young hot girls, they want to have fun.

Yes, the other thing is drive. It goes away with age.

Who is to say you will even want to fuck a lot of hot girls? Judging by comments by older men, it isn't a priority.

The idea that pussy just happens whenever you pursue a life purpose is bullshit, it gives all of these shut ins the wrong idea that you can play videogames all day and hot girls will like you because you are "passionate" about it.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I do not care for the video or even to watch it. The way I see it, mainstream media probably censored his real answer and happiness is not everything to life. Dan is being interviewed after being balls deep in probably a 100 models, try asking him that before he became famous and worthy of gaming models.

 

[Tony D]

Depends what girls you go after. Obviously most of the super hot 16-18 year olds will instantly dismiss a 35 year old and won't find him attractive, but that 35 year old can still bang tonnes of like 25-40 year olds if he's handsome/attractive enough for their tastes

I don't know. I was fucking lots of 18-21 year olds when I was 35. Great year. Had a Kurdish girl for awhile, 19, picked her up at Winners. A bunch more. But yeah a whole bunch who were like "Ewww" but most just became curious, like "How does this 35 year old feel entitled to me, a twenty year old?" There's so many fucking women in the world. And when you're older if you don't want to deal with that stuff, there's Asian girls, who mostly don't give a fuck how old you are, especially if you're white. Then there's Russian/Ukranian girls who don't care how old are you, as long as you have a Visa. Then there's all the other young girls who don't care as long as you make their vaginas feel tingly. Fuck, just last year I had a 17 year old Ukrainian living in Vancouver asking me to move in with her.

The way I see it, if you're not over 35, then you just don't know what it's like. At this point, I think I can get women of any age, at any age. Not as easily, but there's always a way. Every year I think "Is this the last year I can these 21 year olds? And then I get another one.

But 16-18... meh, too young for me. That's my choice mostly. I like around 23-27.

 

[Carousel]

See that is the brick wall I am running into with this discussion.

You run into a brick wall because you continue to claim stuff that is not true. Like this post yesterday claiming that sex drive or cockblocks are a problem in your 30s or that previous one that all cool guys are trapped into LTRs in their 30s. Now you put "who knows" after the question about the existence of 35 year old guys fucking a new hot chic every week. Well, there are such guys on this forum.

People here seem to think that having your "life purpose" or higher-order shit is going to contribute to getting hot girls. Unless that very thing is tied into something women are attracted to (modeling, partying, etc.), it is not going to get you shit.

Straw man, nobody claims you have to do this in order to get laid. It may contribute at bit to get laid, but it is by no means a necessity and I have not seen it been claimed as that.

I get that people are trying to encourage the best behavior with younger men and get them to leave a mark on the world or whatever, fine and dandy, but be honest here. To get hot women, you have to want to get hot women, and yes I am happy @Tony D came around to my point around this.

Straw man. Nobody is trying to encourage "good behavior" in that sense here - you are free to live as a hedonist, people are only saying that you will likely tire from it.

Now I don't care if you are some rich frat guy or Dan Bilzerian, the thing is, both types of men made it a life purpose to fuck hot women.

Who spends their LIFE TIME in a frat?

So when I see all these posts by older dudes claiming a "life purpose" or being holier than thou about things, I have to call the shit out. I don't call it out of maliciousness or even out of disrespect, men are fine to be whatever they are. I call it out because I want to add reality to it all.

Straw man. Nobody is moralizing you. You are being called out for negativity and KJ.

Yet the dudes claiming "life purpose" and taking the moral high ground are going to be behind and that's just the truth of it all. Most hot young girls do not care about your coding or philosophical shit, they are young hot girls, they want to have fun.

Again, nobody here is moralizing you.

The idea that pussy just happens whenever you pursue a life purpose is bullshit, it gives all of these shut ins the wrong idea that you can play videogames all day and hot girls will like you because you are "passionate" about it.

Again, nobody claims this.

 

[Skills]

i am just going to contribute to the post to see if i can finally get through oh pry since he is like a girl breaking up with you that the ras is so focus on his view point....

-first about your idol Dan Bilzerian, he was getting girls previous to being famous via cold approach pick up and he was good at it.... (check the video i posted).

- The population in general are getting less married and having kids....

- a lot of mid to upper 20s get into ltr then they come out of it in the 30s (a lot of puas are from this segment)

-even puas get into ltr, lets say in the 30 and break up and do pua again, rinse wash repeat...

- As you get older some of us taste buds changes, the reason is after you fucked so many teens, and girls in the 20s etc.... Some other stuff other than how hot she is come into play (i am not coping i am talking guys in really high lay counts that have fucked everything and seen everything).... Also your taste buds start to change as well a bit for younger girls still but not that young, for example if you are in the 50s you may favor a girl in the mid 30s due to companionship, and similarities (this does not mean you will not fuck the younger ones, but they will be more like fwrds)....

- as tony says sex drive totally goes down due to testosterone.... So you can take or leave the lay, sometimes fucking a girl feels like you are doing it a favor and the roles totally flip. (it is hard to explain, tony and other older guys may understand)... The validation lay goes away vs the younger guys.

- as chase explain somewhere in the forum you become so picky in areas you would fuck a girl in the past when younger, you know what you want and what you do not want.... Plus you develop xray vision i see that type of girl naked 5 times already....

- in this stage of life most guys are just bored of the game, is repetitive and they are bored, they want to focus on something else and some of them want kids (which requires in their minds a family.

- The thing is you fail to recognize that you are in a top seduction forum, with true players younger or older that do not follow the regular society norms, we are outcast, weirdos, not wanted members of society.

 

[Tank]

OhPry you say
"Why don't I see guys in their 30s and 40s fuck lots of hot teenagers? I say it is because they can't! and so life sucks!"

We are saying:
1) Some guys in their 30s and 40s DO fuck lots of hot teenagers, but
a) they care a lot less about showing it off. they do it more for the actual pleasure and not the validation.
b) due to lifestyle preferences and greater need for social discretion they do it in ways that are less socially visible
and so THAT's why you don't SEE it

2) Priorities naturally change as you get older. So as a result some older men still fuck hot teenagers, but a lower quantity of them (and a lower quantity of women overall), out of natural preference and hedonic adaptation

3) Some guys (TonyD and Skills) start to prefer older women. I'm not like this at all, and I also do know other guys who are well in their 40s who prefer to fuck teenagers and they just fall in camp 1 and 2.

So your claim "it is because they can't" doesn't agree with many guys' experience and no one here is saying having sex with hot teenagers as an older man is in any way a bad thing to aspire to. Just that you will probably want to sleep with 10 teenies instead of 40 per year and you also won't care about showing it off, and so you won't want to live like a fratboy,.

 

[Skills]

3) Some guys (TonyD and Skills) start to prefer older women. I'm not like this at all, and I also do know other guys who are well in their 40s who prefer to fuck teenagers and they just fall in camp 1 and 2.

- i do not think tony d or i prefer older, tony d still like younger.... I still would fuck younger as well.... older means 10-15 year younger context....

- the men that skip the life developmental stage (were in a long term relationship or marriage for years, and are usually white) still like younger, my theory is to relieve the missing part of their life. This happened to me i came to this country when i was 17 and around 24 miss life experiences, due to being in english as second languages school and shit.... in my 24s i was messing with a lot of young girls all the way to 15 and even lower....

 

[Tank]

I mean older than teenager, not older than them Tony and you wrote you prefer women in their mid 20s

I'm 33 and still get a much stronger horny response to looking at girls closer to the local age of consent much more than mid 20s

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Never got the fascination for teenage girls, where I am at (mid 20s), even early 20s is too young for me. It's all about racking up that lay count and her being hot, whether she is in her 40s or her early 20s.

So I am in no position or mood to have a bad-blooded argument, this thread was not posted for that purpose. I posted this thread to clear the air and give my two cents while admitting that I may have been wrong. When you see guys like me giving their thoughts, we are simply picking up on the countless men who talk about how the game gets "old" and how there is more to life than sleeping around with tons of hot women. I say fair and that they are right.

I was simply pointing out the many things being said by older men, even those who are players, and others that lead me to believe that things do get more difficult with age if your goal is to fuck a lot of different good looking women. There is big difference between difficult and impossible though, the two are not the same thing.

On paper, it is completely doable but once you are faced with material such as game getting tiring, sleeping around with a lot of hot women being overrated, and wanting family; it is completely reasonable for men like me in their 20s to think the game gets harder with age if your goal is to have sex with tons of different women.

But it goes back to my thread itself and the question to ask, how bad do you want it?

For me, it is life purpose.

For me with a shit ton of different women is a top priority still.

I do the approaches and go out the way I do because I want to sleep with a lot of different women.

I cannot every guy, especially one that lived like Dan Bilzerian and had a relatively cool youth, to be like this.

I am not going to buy that it is going to be easy in a guy's 30s because of all the social pressures that exist and how life works but I am not going to discount the idea entirely either because who knows.

Sometimes in life, great things happen when you keep a great attitude and just bust your ass.

Sometimes you are best off not expecting a result but just doing all you can to make your dream a reality.

I would have never thought I'd be doing so much better after college and life would be this great.

Fast forward 5 to 10 years, I might be coming here saying there is no way I thought life in my 30s could be that awesome.

I just love to be grounded in all of it, that is all.

 

[Tank]

oh man if you're not particularly attracted to young women and just want to sleep with as many women as possible, you don't even have to try that hard, it's no contest, it gets tremendously easier with age (if you make a continuous effort to improve yourself). My game is shit, it needs a lot of work and I will be hard working on it, but I'm still very certain I can easily sleep with a girl at least moderately attractive 25-35 within the next week or two if I wanted to. So if your game is actually on point it's like shooting fish in a barrel.