How Todd talks about state is actually exactly how I've always experienced it. I never feel a euphoria when gaming or anything like that, and in fact opening lots of girls in rapid succession makes me tired. But gaming, like pretty much every other activity, can result in a "flow" state when I am well focused on executing the process, not distracted or have any ancillary thoughts, and am just generally engaged. So the RSD concept of state I have never experienced in my life, but certainly the state of flow is something I have experienced with many activities, including gaming sometimes. The idea that gaming should somehow be different than any other activity in that sense is quite bizarre to my mind, nor does it seem all that necessary. Flow is certainly a good thing, and generally the target of one's activity should be challenging but not horrendously difficult, i.e., trying to pull a hottie will not put me in flow, but practicing a particular technique that is just one step outside my usual comfort zone is.