An Overlook Focus Eye Contact

[trashKENNUT]

Hi Guys,

I have been experimenting and also find myself quite intrigued by this phenomenon. I hope you guys can conjure this one up. This happens mostly in trains. I give two scenes, what exactly happens, because i can't remember the outlay of the details of the other places, and it's not in the train.

*Scene 1*

Zac enters the trains, slowly walking in, overlook the cabin and caught looking at a girl, she seems okay while her back is facing me and i'm standing behind her, train is cramp. i kind of like staring at her, but in a rather cool manner for a certain period, then back to normal. A few mins, what happens after this is that she notice me and keep looking at me without breaking eye contact, while her head is turning slightly towards me, kind of like acknowledging i was looking at her. There was this vibe like we about to jump onto each other, or less, something like that.

*Scene 2*

Zac enters the trains, slowly walking in, overlook the cabin, saw a girl leaning at the side of the train, hmm okay. Purposely look at her for awhile before returning to normal. About ten to fifteen minutes later, she turns facing my direction, and her hands were down and just nervous kind of tension. After a few mins, she stand exactly infront of me, not exactly opening her body language but the side, (there's people here!). I look at her eyes, a kind of submissive, "Please Approach me" kind of notion, while looking down when i made eye contact with her.

Interesting phenomenon, Guys out there, please get back to me. I think i'm getting my eye contact perfectly right.

Zac

 

[Knight]

Hi Zac,
This is somewhat related to your post but I just wanted to share this tip with you.
Eye contact is a powerful tool indeed. The 'gunslinger' walk is one where you walk, heels down and toes pointing up, slow and with a purpose. A comical gunslinger walk is not what we want, it has to serve a purpose with every step. One of the major features of the 'gunslinger' is your eye movement. Your eyes should face just above people when you're walking, and without darting around and scanning. This is where peripheral vision comes in handy, from driving and video-games over the years. The walk, coupled with the eyes over the horizon can cause large amounts of people to move. I have used this many times in malls, getting guys three times the size of me in muscle and twice as old to move. The only time I move out of the way for someone now is when I'm working or they're old, fragile, sick or have some reason for me to move. The purpose isn't to be an ass. Zac, learn this walk and I'm sure you can get to those staring women only faster and more effectively.

A major feature of the horizon stare and the gunslinger walk is people ALWAYS notice when others are moving for you. There are times when you will think it won't work and you will get your head smashed in, but keep walking and the other man will always move

 

[trashKENNUT]

A major feature of the horizon stare and the gunslinger walk is people ALWAYS notice when others are moving for you. There are times when you will think it won't work and you will get your head smashed in, but keep walking and the other man will always move

the "Horizon look" has always make you look like a certain superhero, just that the hero is in real life, and it's you. !

Zac

 

[Knight]

 

[Chase]

I was walking through the gym with a friend once, and I said, "I can get almost any girl to check me out if I really want her to. Watch," so we walked along, and some girls on treadmills turned to look at me as we walked by. He asked me what caused that, and I said, "You know what, I have no idea. Let me pay more attention to it next I'm doing it and see if I can figure that one out."

What I noticed later was that I would quickly (and almost imperceptibly to me) scan the girl up and down, checking her out, and then switch back to looking straight ahead. The girl would sense she'd been checked out, but also that it was safe to look now that I wasn't looking, and then she'd turn to check ME out.

So, there seems to be some sort of mutual-checkout mechanism going on. You give her a brief scan, then go back to looking forward. Then she gives YOU a brief scan.

The interesting thing that seems to happen though is that the girl is not consciously aware of you having scanned her, so when she checks you out, it usually feels to her as if she's doing it of her own accord. If you're a guy she finds attractive, she seems to assume that this is because she finds you attractive, and that's why she looked. At this point you can "catch her in the act," and make eye contact with her while she's checking you out. This really hits it home to her that she's interested, and she got caught scanning you. This seems to be what you're doing, Zac.

I've been on the receiving side of this plenty of times too. I'll suddenly have my eyes move over to some girl I didn't even know was there, and then her eyes will meet mine, catching me in the act of checking her out. Whoops. Guilty as charged. But I've also had it happen with unattractive women (and my reaction is, "WTF? Why'd THAT happen?"), and with gay men (similar reaction to that last). My guess is that many of these occurred after the person in question checked me out, and my reticular activation system (RAS) responded without me even being consciously aware of it.

So, the long and short of it: when you give her a quick scan or a stare first, then look away, you trigger her RAS to check you out in turn - and you can then "catch her in the act" of it and cement it in her mind that she was checking you out. At that point, she'll either be disgusted (if she thinks, "Ugh, why was I checking THAT guy out??") or excited (if she thinks, "Oh man, that guys cute and I like him enough to check him out").

Chase

 

[Knight]

Tried that technique, Chase. Accidentally did it to an older lady, turned away and sure enough she turned. Woops!

 

[Flames]

Omg.. Chase.. You know that's what I've been thinking for a while now and you've just confirmed it for me. My main reason was that some days when Im not 'in the mood' I hardly ever get checked out but the days I'm feeling cocky and (over?)confident I get checked out all the time.

I at first thought it was my posture, walk, facial expressions etc but the difference cannot be that perceivable especially from a distance, but the eye contact would explain it. I've been told by an opthalmist that I have large pupils, and I think this makes my eye movements easily spottable from a way away.

I've even tried checking out girls at bus stops when I've been passing in the car and I've been convinced that more often than not they're checking me out. (This is a good one to try out btw).

Another thing I was thinking recently that I don't practice my EC as much as I did when I started out, but it seems that maybe my autonomic system has just been taking care of it without me even realising.

Actually it could account for the way I always know someone's ignoring me, rather than not having seen me too, never did understand that. =/

A question though do you think this makes you more attractive or less attractive?

 

[trashKENNUT]

I've been on the receiving side of this plenty of times too. I'll suddenly have my eyes move over to some girl I didn't even know was there, and then her eyes will meet mine, catching me in the act of checking her out. Whoops. Guilty as charged. But I've also had it happen with unattractive women (and my reaction is, "WTF? Why'd THAT happen?"), and with gay men (similar reaction to that last). My guess is that many of these occurred after the person in question checked me out, and my reticular activation system (RAS) responded without me even being consciously aware of it.

Yea, i got that too. Sheesh, why!!!! and Gay men also look at me too often. I have friends telling me i attract both sexes. -.- seems like i am not free of it yet.

Zac

 

[Flames]

I have been complimented by gay men in the past, which as far as I can see it is about as good as it gets compliments wise

Although a little unsettling at first, lol

 

[trashKENNUT]

I have been complimented by gay men in the past, which as far as I can see it is about as good as it gets compliments wise

Although a little unsettling at first, lol

Indeed. IT was unsettling until you start develop being non judgemental.

Zac

 

[Flames]

I have been complimented by gay men in the past, which as far as I can see it is about as good as it gets compliments wise

Although a little unsettling at first, lol

Indeed. IT was unsettling until you start develop being non judgemental.

Zac

Never really was judgemental I meant from a 'game' point of view.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Never really was judgemental I meant from a 'game' point of view.

Oh, that's good.

Zac

 

[Chase]

Gay men also look at me too often. I have friends telling me i attract both sexes. -.- seems like i am not free of it yet.

I have been complimented by gay men in the past, which as far as I can see it is about as good as it gets compliments wise

I sometimes talk about this with girls when I want to pump my value with them. It's a way of showing off without showing off... e.g., you can't say, "Hot girls compliment me all the time!" but you can say, "Geez, these gay guys just won't leave me alone!"

Girls invariably reply with, "Well, gay men have good taste!"

To which you can say, "Well, I'm flattered you agree with them."

You've got to be careful not to over-pump your value here or toot your own horn. But if you want a little value pick-me-up and this is relevant, fit it in.

Chase

 

[Knight]

Around areas I visit often I notice myself with wide eyes and a mouth with no expression. Should I be bored looking or emulate a Daniel Craig/James Bond pucker and smile as if someones just whispered something exciting into my ear?
Oh, and I've been trying to test the technique of glancing at them. How long would be best to glance? I think I might be going to quick, as not everyone is biting. D:

 

[Chase]

Knight-

Around areas I visit often I notice myself with wide eyes and a mouth with no expression. Should I be bored looking or emulate a Daniel Craig/James Bond pucker and smile as if someones just whispered something exciting into my ear?

Yes, absolutely - you can never get enough practice.

Plus, this trains you to do it more naturally and automatically, which is what you want.

Oh, and I've been trying to test the technique of glancing at them. How long would be best to glance? I think I might be going to quick, as not everyone is biting. D:

I'd normally go for about a 1-second glance, intense and focused. 1-second as in the second on a clock face... tick... tick... tick... which is slower than most people realize when they think of 1 second.

Chase

 

[trashKENNUT]

BUMP!

 

[trashKENNUT]

Hello Rackum,

Hope this helps. I know you didn't ask.

 

[Velasco]

you trigger her RAS to check you out in turn - and you can then "catch her in the act" of it and cement it in her mind that she was checking you out. At that point, she'll either be disgusted (if she thinks, "Ugh, why was I checking THAT guy out??") or excited (if she thinks, "Oh man, that guys cute and I like him enough to check him out").

interesting. I was under the impression that if you can get a chick to notice you first (via inducing a false approach invitation), and then catch her in the act, it'd be the same as if she'd given you an Approach Invitation. Like she'd give to someone she actually found attractive. But here it looks like, if she doesn't find you attractive, it doesn't really matter if you catch her checking you out.

 

[Chase]

@Velasco,

interesting. I was under the impression that if you can get a chick to notice you first (via inducing a false approach invitation), and then catch her in the act, it'd be the same as if she'd given you an Approach Invitation. Like she'd give to someone she actually found attractive. But here it looks like, if she doesn't find you attractive, it doesn't really matter if you catch her checking you out.

Yes, there's a certain amount of, "Oh, hmm, I'm checking him out... well, I guess he's not that bad, actually," that can go on if you get her to look at you when she hadn't noticed you. You'll be able to get some girls who might otherwise have ignored you or been indifferent to you had you approached them yourself without getting them to check you out first when you do this. It's the same theory as behind pre-opening.

However, you basically need to meet her minimum threshold... whatever that is. Might even change from day-to-day with the girl.

Like for instance, if you're out walking, and you suddenly swivel your head and notice a girl with a decent body and a passable face. You check her out, and she is okay... then she looks at you and kind of smiles at you and you can feel she's receptive.

Depending on where your head is at you might go for it, or you might not.

If you're on your way to a date with a really hot girl you're kind of falling for, and you're in a hurry to get there, probably you won't bother with this new chick. Even if she walks up and says something to you and tries to chat you up you might well excuse yourself.

On the other hand if it's the end of the night and you've been out trying to pick up all night and no fish are biting, and you're feeling frustrated and annoyed and wondering what's happened to your magic, and suddenly this girl pops up, high chance she's going to pop onto your radar as "Hey, here's someone I hadn't noticed but actually maybe I could go for this girl."

Or you could have just a really disgusting obese girl who no matter where your head space is at is not going to get you even if she manages to get you to look at her. Unless you are a chubby chaser, of course.

Anyway -- same thing's happening with girls.

• Some of them are going to notice you, and they'd have liked you anyway had you approached them on your own without that.
  
  
• Some of them are going to notice you, and maybe had you approached them first without that they'd have ignored you, but now that they've noticed you a subconscious thing goes off that says, "Hmm, I'm checking this guy out. And actually, he is not that bad"
  
  
• Some of them are going to notice you, and go "Ugh, why did I look at him!"

(then we can also talk about "Is it worth chasing down those 'Ugh' girls and trying to pull off a turnaround?" -- but that's tangential to this conversation... and we've talked about it elsewhere already too)

I actually personally get a kick out of the "Ugh!" girls.

But that is basically how it goes -- every girl falls into one of three camps:

1. Girls who would've liked you anyway even if you approached without them noticing you first
2. Girls who would've shot you down had they not noticed you first... but will accept you if you get them to notice you first
3. Girls who are going to shoot you down whether they notice you first or not

Getting them to notice first is just a little way to make things a bit easier while saving yourself some rejection hassle -- same thing as pre-opening (this actually is just pre-opening -- it's in a similar vein to the 'glance and smile' pre-open in the article. In this case, you are glancing and then looking away without the smile. Or you can do it with the smile, and then it is exactly that pre-open from the article. The smile makes it that when she checks you out you're looking warm/friendly, which tends to make her warmer/friendlier/less icy toward you in her head and on your approach. Just like if you look at some guy and he looks all serious, versus if you look at some guy and he looks friendly and tranquil, then that guy comes up to you later -- Guy #1 you are still going to be on your guard with, whereas Guy #2 you'll tend to be a lot more relaxed around).

Chase

 

[trashKENNUT]

I happened to find this when searching for something important.

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