Online & Apps Are Online Dating and Prostitution "Lame"? (2020)

[ljrozz69]

when the girls give you eye contact:

-how do you look at me like that and now say hi! i am klimax

- i notice you looking in my direction, and i had to take the initiative and introduce myself i am klimax

- With this corona thing i promise my mom i was not going to talk to anybody specially strangers, but i just had to come say hi i am klimax...

but the most important thing is 3 second rule see what happens...

I really appreciate your help Skills!
My issue was not what to say but how to calibrate the approach since the situation was a bit challenging.
After thinking about it a bit the best approach I could've done was to pull out of the pocket my phone, walks towards her while looking at my phone, get next to her, looking in the same direction as her, then take down my phone and open with "hmm...
I am wondering..." start slooowly moving my head to look at her "did you put off your mask to show me your sweet smile?"
That's the best I found, sadly too late.

I think that going for girls that IOI you is fine but cold approaching may be too much and not very efficient. The alternatives Teevster offer seem better to me.
I think you advocate for online because it's something that you've read in red pill sites/forums. But red pill is just normies that like to think they are enlightened... And online games IS for normies. That being said I don't do it because I am pretty sure it will harm my self-esteem and my objective to learn seduction.

Klimax

 

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and you guys manage to get rid of any poster that was active and doing online game(o pry and natural mike)...

"You guys?"

Naturalmikey is a proven troll and proven liar. He got multiple warnings from Franco that he had to stop attacking people, but just continued as before. He has made two new troll accounts here which we banned recently. He lied about being "ripped", he posted a photo where he was not ripped. Probably his laycount was a lie also. His numbers and time spent getting to these numbers seemed fake to multiple mods here, also his level of bragging was to put it mildly not convincing.

Oh Pry got mad at Chase and left, at least for now. Maybe I can be blamed for his departure, but Teevster was not in much discussion with him at all.

For the record, I assisted COCPORN (who is proven to be legit) in writing a book about online game that has been distributed for free to a lot of people on NextASF and here. My contribution was proofreading. I think he still gives it away for free if you ask.

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We did a lot of research on online game at ASF Norway too - mainly on how to take good photos (NOT a simple topic for game purposes). I will explain this if requested.

I fail to see how the loss of two IMO crap posters is any problem when we anyway have this extensive documentation from people who are not whiners, trolls or fakes.

My view is that online game is fine as a supplement to reallife game or if you are heavily focussed on a mission (two friends of mine are doing only online now due to that, though they have done other kinds of game previously). Obviously I would then also find it totally legit to focus on online right now, if it works (which I have no current opinion on).

 

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I think you advocate for online because it's something that you've read in red pill sites/forums. But red pill is just normies that like to think they are enlightened... And online games IS for normies. That being said I don't do it because I am pretty sure it will harm my self-esteem and my objective to learn seduction.

Guys like Sleazy, BD, COCPORN and Pureevil must be normies then. In addition to actually three handsome friends of mine with 100+ notches of from ASF Norway who have mainly relied on online when they decided to focus on other things.

What about having less opinions about stuff you know exactly nothing about? You will learn much faster if you take the role of the novice and don't argue with the seniors.

Your second claim is also both nonsense and KJ. Most of my first lays were from online. It helped me a lot on areas such as confidence and end-game escalation. Again, stop having all these stupid assumptions. It harms you.

PS: Here you have a picture on the "normie" COCPORN on a book cover - it is written by an author with ties to the Norwegian seduction community.


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[trashKENNUT]

But red pill is just normies that like to think they are enlightened... And online games IS for normies. That being said I don't do it because I am pretty sure it will harm my self-esteem and my objective to learn seduction.

Careful.

If Redpill is for people who think that they are "enlightened", I am on Redpill sites. If online game harms my self esteem, I do online game. Just only recently active because I need to maximize my business and nonpc content pages, online presence.

A lot of my ideas which people have praise me as 'something deep', is a combination of many notes from all worlds (Girlschase, Mgtow, Redpill, Business, Enlightenment, etc)

So don't dismiss it like that.

Understand why you have this absolute is crucial because we all think in absolutes but experts know that this is not true.

And your comment is definitely not true.

Online world is superficial, very petty and full of shit but it is a game by itself.

 

[Chrance]

if I had a choice between not getting laid and using a dating app to get laid, I would choose not getting laid. Online dating has always been for desperate people. No need to debase yourself just to get your dick wet. In lieu of the topic, this has been my lesson this coronacation among several others

 

[trashKENNUT]

. Online dating has always been for desperate people.

“It depends” - ToddV

 

[Chrance]

“Can you explain how it depends?” - ToddV Student

 

[trashKENNUT]

“Can you explain how it depends?” - ToddV Student

I was refering to your signature below. OMG. HAHAHA!

You would not called Neymar (footballer) desperate if he hooks up with a girl from instagram? So yea, it depends.

But important is understanding why you think this way, for yourself. Fuck my opinion. I am just noting to be careful not to think in absolutes

 

[Chrance]

@ZacAdam i see where you’re coming from but Instagram isn’t an online dating site so there’s some leeway. The reason it’s an “absolute” is because of the question “why don’t you just meet someone in real life?” that your mom or friends would ask you. I try to be cautious with absolutes, but with this? Nah I can simply say what everyone on the planet already knows - people use online dating when they can’t meet people any other way, last resort, no other choice
“I couldn’t find someone in person who has XYZ qualities so I started using hinge” <=== desperation
“I’m too old to find someone easily. Online dating makes it easier” <== desperation
“I’m too busy to find someone in person” <== desperation

imo it doesn’t matter if X person uses online dating. If Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit met online it would still raise the question of “hold up, why didn’t y’all just meet someone in person?” Famous or respected people do stupid things all the time. Take the good and leave the bad

edit:
There are a bunch of other reasons, the above is for starters. lollol at ToddV. Someone needs to make a compilation of him hehe

 

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people use online dating when they can’t meet people any other way, last resort, no other choice

This is demonstrably false. Again, I know several guys who have been slayers in night game, day game, social circle etc who do online with regularity.

EDIT: I forget to mention Pablo Garcia above - he does online. When he is not doing night game, attending gangbangs or having FBs over. There is probably no man here with more abundance than him.

Maybe YOU would not do it out of other reasons than desperation. That does not imply a similar reasoning for a 100+ guy who has been validated to death by women. So projection.

 

[Chrance]

This is demonstrably false. Again, I know several guys who have been slayers in night game, day game, social circle etc who do online with regularity.

Maybe YOU would not do it out of other reasons than desperation. That does not imply a similar reasoning for a 100+ guy who has been validated to death by women. So projection.

Online dating is as good as night and day game because guys who already get laid from night and day game use it too? Wtf this IS NOT the example you want to give to show online dating is not a last resort activity. If these guys banged prostitutes would you be vouching for that as well lol? Who cares. Like I said, take the good and leave the bad

X person doing a low value activity (ie lame shit) doesn’t make the activity higher value (ie cooler). Paying prostitutes and using online has always been and will always be lame activities

Maybe you can show directly how getting gay photos, typing a fake bio and poking buttons on a screen just to get your dick wet is a cool thing to do lol rather than pointing at other guys and saying “well they’re cool so that makes it alright”

 

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Online dating is as good as night and day game because guys who already get laid from night and day game use it too? Wtf this IS NOT the example you want to give to show online dating is not a last resort activity. If these guys banged prostitutes would you be vouching for that as well lol? Who cares. Like I said, take the good and leave the bad

X person doing a low value activity (ie lame shit) doesn’t make the activity higher value (ie cooler). Paying prostitutes and using online has always been and will always be lame activities

Maybe you can show directly how getting gay photos, typing a fake bio and poking buttons on a screen just to get your dick wet is a cool thing to do lol rather than pointing at other guys and saying “well they’re cool so that makes it alright”

YES. I have no problem with advanced guys banging prostitutes as long as they dont claim it to be game. I have no problems with NOOBS banging prostitutes either to get some physical experience with sex.

I don't jugde it as either good or bad. It is totally neutral.

Who are you to moralize and complain about this?

Also you are tweaking your premises. You said online was about "desperation". Now you have tweaked it towards being "lame" and "not cool".

 

[ljrozz69]

Guys like Sleazy, BD, COCPORN and Pureevil must be normies then. In addition to actually three handsome friends of mine with 100+ notches of from ASF Norway who have mainly relied on online when they decided to focus on other things.

What about having less opinions about stuff you know exactly nothing about?

I hope that wasn't intended to trigger me so I provide arguments... and then you could dismiss them.

You will learn much faster if you take the role of the novice and don't argue with the seniors.

Ok, you're right.
I joined this community to get better, perhaps with the help of guys pushing me and giving actionnable advice, NOT TO ARGUE ALL OVER.

Your second claim is also both nonsense and KJ. Most of my first lays were from online. It helped me a lot on areas such as confidence and end-game escalation

I was talking about my particular case, however I may be wrong. I feel resistant towards the idea of using online game, so perhaps there is a limiting belief holding me back -we talked about this with bacchus in his thread "the path of least resistance"-.

Btw, cool picture !

Klimax

 

[Chrance]

YES. I have no problem with advanced guys banging prostitutes as long as they dont claim it to be game. I have no problems with NOOBS banging prostitutes either to get some physical experience with sex.

I don't jugde it as either good or bad. It is totally neutral.

Who are you to moralize and complain about this?

i am not comfortable telling people to do lame shit just to get their dick wet. This includes:
1.) prostitutes
2.) simping
3.) online dating

maybe there’s others I’m not aware of yet, but for now the above three are all clearly in bed with each other

if you want to do lame shit to get laid that’s fine. I really don’t care. I’m just calling a spade a spade. Lame is lame. I’m sure you feel the same way when a guy simps to get and keep a girl. Don’t be surprised when no one cares or negs you for using dating apps or prostitutes.

Also you are tweaking your premises. You said online was about "desperation". Now you have tweaked it towards being "lame" and "not cool".

you’ll have to take my word for it, but when I wrote that first post this morning I didn’t feel like typing everything out, and had to edit a lot so as to not offend. So what you got is not a rigorous argument or statement of clear premises or the whole story. “Desperate” seems a good enough word and has enough overlap with “lame”, “low value” and “not cool”. I could’ve articulated more clearly for sure.

Note:
I totally agree with you on noobs and prostitutes and that online is supplentary. But it’s supplementary because it’s lame, like simping. I wouldn’t recommend it to my best friend.

Note2:
Flirting with girls in person is cool. No debate there. Online guys are burdened with having to rationalize their choices as being as cool as the latter.

 

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@Chrance Again, who are you to say what is "lame" for another man to do?

To be a simp is harming yourself. To fuck a prostitute or get laid from online is in many cases not harming yourself. So this is a category error. Mind you, I have been a chode at some point and I have done online. I know for sure which one that harmed me and which one that didn't.

I have several hobbies who my friends probably think are strange and I personally think several of my friend's hobbies are strange. None of us have a problem with this.

Personally I have not been using prostitutes, however a lot of my friends have. I HAVE been using online dating (~15 lays).

You know what?

I do not want to assist people with your attitude to improve. I did not learn game to have noobs shame my choices or the choices of my PU friends. Hey, I even have gay friends who fuck men and bisexual friends. Your attitude is outright repulsive to me.

You guys will not get more assistance from me. The trolling incident in my advanced thread and this exchange has convinced me.

 

[Chrance]

@Carousel look man I apologize for being a dick. I was just explaining my point of view. Fml.

 

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@Carousel look man I apologize for being a dick. I was just explaining my point of view. Fml.

Thats fine, no hard feelings. However, it does not change my decision.

 

[Chrance]

fair enough

 

[Chase]

@Chrance,

i am not comfortable telling people to do lame shit just to get their dick wet. This includes:
1.) prostitutes
2.) simping
3.) online dating

If you stay in this long enough and meet enough high skill guys, your perspectives on #s 1 and 3 will change.

Some of the best PUAs I have ever known have loved a good romp with a hooker. If you're in countries where prostitution is common and not overly transactional, you will go out with them, and often you'll pick up together. But if you go out and the fish aren't biting that night, they'll go, "Let's get hookers!"

You'd never consider any of these guys 'desperate' or 'lame'. They get laid fine without hookers. However, if they make their minds up that the night is ending with sex, they are going to pick up if they can, or get hookers if they can't. The more fitting adjective for this is something like "driven" or "single-minded" (or "hedonistic"... really depends on the guy's motives)... not "desperate."

When I was younger and I thought "only lame guys bang hookers" I had this weird dissonance when I realized all the most powerful men in the world, major Hollywood stars, politicians, cool guys who had zero problem getting hot girls who were NOT hookers, were banging hookers. And then I'd hang out with extremely skilled naturals and PUAs, whom I had watched repeatedly pick up very attractive girls from bars, beaches, etc., and they'd want to get hookers.

Eventually you realize "Hmm, okay. There is clearly something here I do not understand." And then eventually you understand it.

As for online... I have repeatedly recommended online as a useful way of building momentum and keeping the girls rolling in between other avenues. Lots of guys have. Being a night gamer or a day gamer does not preclude doing online too. Yes, the quality is lower, and the girls are broken-er... but online can be part of a well-rounded diet.

I don't have a lot of respect as PUAs for guys where 75%+ of their lays are coming from online, I will say that. But if a guy shags 30 girls in a year, where 18 of those are online, and 12 are cold approach, I will think, "All right, this guy is doing okay. He's on his way." I do not think "Ha! What a loser!"

The worst thing I'll think about a guy with a ton of online lays and few real world lays is "Here's a guy with tight message and date/close game who doesn't know how to approach." Sort of a very bourgeoisie gamer, IMO. His lays all require an app somebody made to connect him with girls... he's not able to go out into the world, find women, and bed them. But not like a bad dude or anything. Probably has interesting things to say about dating and closing and messaging. Just not a guy with the whole picture.

That's a far cry though from "If you do any online at all, you're lame!"

You're not. It's just another game supplement.

Chase

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Whatever the avenue, the goal in the end should be to cultivate abundance. You see a hot escort or have a lot of matches so when you do approach, that is not your only avenue. Your pipeline is so strong that success in cold approach is gravy instead of making or breaking your night.

Business often overlaps with dating and game, well, I noticed that the best businesses have a multi-faceted sales strategy. Not only are they cold calling (which we can relate to cold approach), they have a good social media strategy and a good referral program to get the leads.

My job is a sales manager for a corporation and I have seen sales managers that have lost their jobs by coaching reps the wrong way and those that managed to get moved to VP quickly because of what they brought to the table. You have the old school make 60 cold call a day managers who have a broish brash mentality, have reps burn through accounts, and damage the company’s reputation long-term by being put on no contact lists or spam lists. You find this a lot in older rugged guys that try to put on a macho tough guy attitude (East Coast working class types for one). These guys can be compared to the seducer who will run through and spam approach, bragging about how he did 50 approaches in one day to “conquer approach anxiety” but lacks so much self-awareness that now he has a reputation with locals.

Both guys are going to fail long-term because the sales manager does not get his target market and is trying to shove people into meetings. In the same vein, the spam approacher is trying to shove women into going with him by being a hard closer.

Now you have successful sales managers who will encourage cold calling but also tells reps to hit various avenues. Make videos for prospects, send a targeted LinkedIn message to someone in the C-Level, send them a relevant email, and drive value. You don’t end up on any spam lists that way or getting a reputation. These guys do not ask you to make 60 cold calls a day to show that you are doing your job, the results speak for themselves.

You can compare them to the modern day seducer who is successful. He is not spam approaching, he approaches with purpose, quality wins over quantity for him, he has many avenues he is hitting the game with, and in the end it truly does not matter if it is a rejection because he has so much quality waiting in the pipeline.

In business, the good ole cold call will never lose its value just like in game cold approach never will. The reality is more that to take it to an exceptional level, you have to have other avenues to cultivate that abundance or else, you’ll be one-dimensional. You cannot just win by online dating, by just seeing escorts, or by just cold approaching; you need to go at various angles.