Online & Apps Are Online Dating and Prostitution "Lame"? (2020)

[Velasco]

@Sub-Zero

Why are you concerned about the lesser of these two evils?

It is the same as, I believe rain asking, which is better between being fat or skinny wrt attracting women, when we know there is an option that trounces both.

 

[Chrance]

So you came with an elaborate essay to logically illustrate why online dating is for inferior men and why it's lame. Completely ignored everything chase said about attacking other guys methods for getting girls and made some pointless analogy about surfing lol. Sounds like a red herring to me. It did not make your argument more convincing and if anything it made you like you were trying too hard to state your argument. If you think online dating is lame then fine that's your opinion it's what you think. Why are you so thirsty to tell everyone else on these boards? Yeah most guys not initiated with game and pickup are lameos and don't cold approach so they do use tinder and ig or hookers to get girls cuz it requires little effort and stress and yeah those are low value men. But the guys who know how to extract fine hunnies from tinder isn't low value. It does take some finesse and skill to do so since dating apps are so saturated with people and women are getting dms from literally hundreds and thousands of guys. Besides we're in a fucking pandemic so there's not many opportunities to game girls during the day and there is zero at night. Girls are a lot less open to being gamed now,there are a lot more boundaries and barriers then before, and depending on where you live getting corona is also a risk no matter how trivial you think the virus actually is.Online dating is the safest and practical thing to do now while the world is in a crisis and everything is out of whack. You could even make a argument that it's harder because now everybody is using them since the economy is closed for the most part. You're really trying to come at guys for being sensible? Cmon dude

if you want to use online dating that’s cool. If you want to swim with floaties that’s cool too. Do what works for you and what makes you happy. I’m simply trying to show what everyone on earth already knows - online dating is cringe and lame when compared to meeting in real life.

And it is not my opinion that online dating is avoiding the first phases of pickup to get to the smooth ride. Online is this way by its nature. That is it’s appeal. Maybe you misssd that point.

I’m curious why guys take it so personally, or people in general, when you point out online is kinda lame. My friends react in similar ways. The opposite can’t really be said of meeting in real life, unless trying to imply your just pulling drunk chicks or doing something illegal.

you know, I honestly was aware people on here would take this personally and thought “nah not worth it” but compiling some silly photos and making a dumb bio swiping and all that - it’s so fucking lame I just can’t resist pointing it out, on a platform where people talk about “high value” lol give me a break. So much for that when you’re poking buttons for some ass.

I’m still waiting for someone to frame online dating as high value lol or as fundamental rather than supplemental.

Edit:
also yea I read what @Chase said here before commenting today. I would love to address all the different angles but finding the time and energy is tough. My thumbs are getting burnt out lol. Maybe I shouldn’t have used the word “lame” since it’s so triggering but yea, it is what it is. Lame, low value, desperate, uncool, weird, off, unideal, improper - these all have similar meanings to me. I was also wrong about the friend recommendation - I would recommend it to them if it is really needed to get the ball rolling. That’s it

edit2:
@Ben22 My corona situation was also never super bad. There were always people around (With masks) or something to do. So being forced to use online never happened to me. If it did I’d just do something else than that. So this is an exceptional situation and I can understand why you’d see it’s appeal during these moments. I’m speaking in general.

 

[Sub-Zero]

@Sub-Zero

Why are you concerned about the lesser of these two evils?

It is the same as, I believe rain asking, which is better between being fat or skinny wrt attracting women, when we know there is an option that trounces both.

I wanted to know what made online girls that bad because I could have made the mistake in wifing an online chick compared to a club girl because I thought she would be better.

Not saying I want to wife either, but I don’t do day game, so those are my only choices besides a chick at work, which I probably won’t do anymore.

I know that day game trounces both, but I still can’t do day game at all.

I might have to do day game now because of clubs being closed though.

 

[Velasco]

I might have to do day game now because of clubs being closed though

Yeah either day game or social circle game.

 

[BigPapa]

Chrance I do not really understand from where you say dat using apps ( social or dating ) is easier than doing it in person .

Bedding really hot girls from apps is more difficult than bedding them when you meet them face2face , unless you are a good looking guy with millionaire lifestyle that does not have a job . At least this is my experience , and more or less falls in line with the experience of others

This happens because the competition is tougher online than in person, so saying that it is easier to bang someone via the internet than someone that you meet in the real life is just nonsense .

Me personally I have respect for guys who are good with internet game and pull out good looking girls , because well the game is the same , except for the approach itself

 

[Chrance]

Chrance I do not really understand from where you say dat using apps ( social or dating ) is easier than doing it in person .

Bedding really hot girls from apps is more difficult than bedding them when you meet them face2face , unless you are a good looking guy with millionaire lifestyle that does not have a job . At least this is my experience , and more or less falls in line with the experience of others

This happens because the competition is tougher online than in person, so saying that it is easier to bang someone via the internet than someone that you meet in the real life is just nonsense .

Me personally I have respect for guys who are good with internet game and pull out good looking girls , because well the game is the same , except for the approach itself

Whether it’s easier or not I don’t think is important, or whether you can get hot ass from it. The process itself is not the real thing, it is a half baked version. You’re not talking or meeting women. You’re not doing the bare minimum. You’re finding and exploiting an algorithm (with your photo looks as the limit). It’s competitiveness doesn’t make it any less lame. The guys are competing against each other in something that isn’t the whole activity.

at the same time bigpapa I think it’s possible to respect a guy who’s exceptionally good at online dating, but not for necessarily good reasons, like a guy whose good at stacking cups.

The very act of doing online dating is so lame imo it really needs to be exceptional. I guess I could respect a guy for it haha. Haven’t met one or heard one though. Open to the possibility

 

[Starboy]

if you want to use online dating that’s cool. If you want to swim with floaties that’s cool too. Do what works for you and what makes you happy. I’m simply trying to show what everyone on earth already knows - online dating is cringe and lame when compared to meeting in real life.

And it is not my opinion that online dating is avoiding the first phases of pickup to get to the smooth ride. Online is this way by its nature. That is it’s appeal. Maybe you misssd that point.

I’m curious why guys take it so personally, or people in general, when you point out online is kinda lame. My friends react in similar ways. The opposite can’t really be said of meeting in real life, unless trying to imply your just pulling drunk chicks or doing something illegal.

you know, I honestly was aware people on here would take this personally and thought “nah not worth it” but compiling some silly photos and making a dumb bio swiping and all that - it’s so fucking lame I just can’t resist pointing it out, on a platform where people talk about “high value” lol give me a break. So much for that when you’re poking buttons for some ass.

I’m still waiting for someone to frame online dating as high value lol or as fundamental rather than supplemental.

Edit:
also yea I read what @Chase said here before commenting today. I would love to address all the different angles but finding the time and energy is tough. My thumbs are getting burnt out lol. Maybe I shouldn’t have used the word “lame” since it’s so triggering but yea, it is what it is. Lame, low value, desperate, uncool, weird, off, unideal, improper - these all have similar meanings to me. I was also wrong about the friend recommendation - I would recommend it to them if it is really needed to get the ball rolling. That’s it

edit2:
@Ben22 My corona situation was also never super bad. There were always people around (With masks) or something to do. So being forced to use online never happened to me. If it did I’d just do something else than that. So this is an exceptional situation and I can understand why you’d see it’s appeal during these moments. I’m speaking in general.

I don't even use online dating. I never have,but I got a new phone with a high quality camera and I may try it out just for the sake of practice,maintain my social skills and to see what it's like since there's nothing else for me to do. I wouldn't let that be the only way I get with girls because I know if I get used to it I wouldn't wanna try other methods of gaming. I was simply trying to play devil's advocate. I'm not even offended by your remarks. If you think online dating is wack fine. Doesn't bother me one bit and I don't really think the other guys are that hurt. They was expressing their views as well. I just thought it was a interesting debate. Peace

 

[BigPapa]

Chrance to me what you are saying makes no sense , so I guess the actual issue is that you are not really pulling good looking girls from the internet and just try to make yourself feel better about it

Like I said , if you are pulling out on a constant rate good looking girls from the internet , then your game is not bad for sure .

Some girls you might never see on Tinder ( the high status ones for examples ) , while other ones are just reluctant to talk with guys that they do not know in general , this is why it is important not to focus too much on apps , because otherwise you are just limiting yourself

But saying that your game is worse just because you use technology it is just nonsense

 

[Train]

I think it's dependent on personal values. If a guy is killing it on Tinder, feeling fulfilled with his dating and sex life, he's winning.

There's objective pros/cons for daygame, nightgame, social circle, online, etc. But I think the whole point of PUA should be fulfillment in one's dating and sex life.

Whether that's sleeping with 10 girls a week or finding wifey on the first approach. Building a harem through Tinder or buying mail-order brides.

I don't like online, personally. But if a guy can make it work for him, great. He's not lame if he's achieving what he set out to do.

 

[Chrance]

Chrance to me what you are saying makes no sense , so I guess the actual issue is that you are not really pulling good looking girls from the internet and just try to make yourself feel better about it

Like I said , if you are pulling out on a constant rate good looking girls from the internet , then your game is not bad for sure .

Some girls you might never see on Tinder ( the high status ones for examples ) , while other ones are just reluctant to talk with guys that they do not know in general , this is why it is important not to focus too much on apps , because otherwise you are just limiting yourself

But saying that your game is worse just because you use technology it is just nonsense

I have pulled ass from the internet. How much ass do I need to pull before it becomes cool lol? FYI meeting chicks on tinder is easier than in person so if you’re having trouble maybe there’s something else going on. Also lol you’re not “doing game” in online dating. The apps doing it for you. Please explain what this “online game” is.

 

[Chrance]

I don't even use online dating. I never have,but I got a new phone with a high quality camera and I may try it out just for the sake of practice,maintain my social skills and to see what it's like since there's nothing else for me to do. I wouldn't let that be the only way I get with girls because I know if I get used to it I wouldn't wanna try other methods of gaming. I was simply trying to play devil's advocate. I'm not even offended by your remarks. If you think online dating is wack fine. Doesn't bother me one bit and I don't really think the other guys are that hurt. They was expressing their views as well. I just thought it was a interesting debate. Peace

ahh I gotcha sorry for the misinterpretation. Yea maybe you’ll have a different experience

 

[Velasco]

Also lol you’re not “doing game” in online dating. The apps doing it for you. Please explain what this “online game” is.

 

[Chrance]

@Velasco that is exactly what I mean by algorithmic. If I got into online dating I’d have done some similar research, got some better photos, figured out some cool lines and copy/pasted just like I did when I started. i don’t want to reexperience that lol. It’s still swimming with floaties. Not the whole thing

 

[Velasco]

i don’t want to reexperience that lol.

you don't have to!

good luck tonight

 

[Skills]

I have pulled ass from the internet. How much ass do I need to pull before it becomes cool lol? FYI meeting chicks on tinder is easier than in person so if you’re having trouble maybe there’s something else going on. Also lol you’re not “doing game” in online dating. The apps doing it for you. Please explain what this “online game” is.

^ You remind me of the religious nutcases, they need to force their religion on everybodies throat... You already made your point, now you are repeating yourself and kjing in the process.... matching with a girl online does not mean you are going to have sex with the girl...

matching and getting the girl to meet online does not equal you are going to sleep with the girl....

there is game (influence) involve, in matching, getting her to meet and once you meet her getting her to sleep with you....

When i started online gaming after 100s of lays from cold approach i had anxiety to create an account and running into people that may know me.
after i got the courage to open an account after creating a silly post in nextasf asking if is possible to run into people you know online.... i had anxiety to open matches or to send messages to women....

after i got through all of the above ^ i would not know how to text them to meet cause when i did, they would go radio silent....

after i got through getting better at not getting radio silence i have them meet me i met them and not closed them (even after reading every online book)

^ then i finally got through my first online late, and shit was easy from there... But the idea that you just match = fuck and women do the whole thing is TOTAL KJ.....

Here is structure sample from pob:

1) Mmmmm, someone here is gonna be trouble (opener)

Any answer

2) Ohhhh, stop being sooo charming/cute!!!
This way we're gonna fall in love too fast....not fair!

Any answer (usually they'll ask where you live...if they do, proceed to route 2B...if not go straight to 3)

2B) Where do I live? Mmmm, I live in your heart, of course!
Go ahead, check inside there and you're gonna find me
Just kidding, I live in X.
How about you?

Any answer

2Ca) Oh, that's too far (if she's far)
2Cb) I like we're close (If she's close)

3) But tell me something...what brought you here to the app?
Did you have any good experiences so far?

Any answer (she'll probably ask you the same)

4Aa) Oh, thats great! (if she already met someone cool in the past) or
4Ab) Oh, I'm sorry to hear that
But I'm sure someone cool will come your way, like maybe a tall dark haired sexy muscular man (describe yourself here)
4B) So, I came here looking for the same thing as everybody else...to meet new people that are single as myself.
Of couse I'm hoping to find someone special, won't be sad at all if that happens! (you answered 95% of their shit tests with 2 simple sentences)

5) You look like a very positive woman...seems like you have an awesome energy!
I really dig people like that, who can enjoy great things and share a good laugh!
Like, on a 1 to 10 scale, how happy are you with your life now? (credits BD)

Any answer (she'll probably ask you the same)

6) (answer her question in an awesome way....you should NOT answer with less than an 8)

My answer would be:
I'm 8,5 right now, but that's because I expect great things from myself! I cannot feel happy where I am, so I keep pushing things, specially on my professional life, so I can become a 9 at least and stay like that forever! But that half point is soo hard to come by, that's why I'm working my butt off and trying to improve every day.

So, gotta ask you XXX (insert her name)...what traits make you an awesome person?
Like something that you have and everybody compliments and takes notice.

when she gives you the answer, she'll probably get back and ask you the same....so you gotta have something ready...I usually say:

7) Oh, it's soooo cool that you have X and Y (use what she told you about her main characteristics as a reply). Really nice!
Mmm, about me....I'm very honest and driven...like, I pride myself on my sense of justice...when I really want something, I just go after it and never look back till I get it!
About my personality, you could say I'm 87% work, family and friends and 13% muscular bad boy (think about you, this part must be congruent with who you are)

Any answer
(right now she'll probably give you her number or be left speechless that you are better than 99% of the online chodes, because you can keep a conversation going without asking her boring stuff or sending her nudes LOL)

If she gives you her number, add her and proceed with the conversation using lines from 8 on any IM (whatasapp, IG, facebook, whatever).
If not, proceed straight to 8

When you add her or she adds you, say this:
7B) Welcome, nice to have you here!
It's sure better than the other app, (proceed to 8)

8) Wow XXX (insert her name), gotta say, I can really feel this great energy between us...so strange because we've never been together!
Anyway, you seem like an interesting woman...I think we could meet sometime.
Simple stuff, on a nice cozy place, so we can seat, drink something and continue this cool conversation.
How is your schedule this week?
BTW, I'm usually free X and X day

(proceed with logistics...if you didn't ask where she lives, now is the time)

Boom, case closed, you gotta a new date on your calendar

You can thank me later.

~POB

Please link me to your online lay report...thanks in advance...

 

[Chrance]

^ You remind me of the religious nutcases, they need to force their religion on everybodies throat... You already made your point, now you are repeating yourself and kjing in the process.... matching with a girl online does not mean you are going to have sex with the girl...

matching and getting the girl to meet online does not equal you are going to sleep with the girl....

there is game (influence) involve, in matching, getting her to meet and once you meet her getting her to sleep with you....

When i started online gaming after 100s of lays from cold approach i had anxiety to create an account and running into people that may know me.
after i got the courage to open an account after creating a silly post in nextasf asking if is possible to run into people you know online.... i had anxiety to open matches or to send messages to women....

after i got through all of the above ^ i would not know how to text them to meet cause when i did, they would go radio silent....

after i got through getting better at not getting radio silence i have them meet me i met them and not closed them (even after reading every online book)

^ then i finally got through my first online late, and shit was easy from there... But the idea that you just match = fuck and women do the whole thing is TOTAL KJ.....

Here is structure sample from pob:



Please link me to your online lay report...thanks in advance...

dude I’m not saying matching = fucking in online dating at all!! If you think it’s cool to get some fake photos, make an account and copy/paste than that’s fine. It’s not religious pointing out that online dating is not the whole process so not pickup or dating, so calling online dating “pickup” or “getting girls” is a misrepresentation

That online lay was from years ago. Not interested in posting it.

 

[BigPapa]

Dunno mate , but as long as you have an abundance mentality and date good looking girls I just do not see why it matters how you got them , as for sure you can not say that having sex with someone that you met in real life is more difficult that having sex with someone that you met through the internet ( as long as they are good looking ) .

What you are saying is more or less what big companies did when the internet was booming , ignored it completely because they knew better . Look where they are now most of them

Now , me personally , I am really thinking stepping up my instagram game , because well I can reach 100 good looking girls in a blink of an eye almost , while meeting them in the real world would take 1-2 months . It is just more efficient

 

[Chrance]

@BigPapa if someone is implying they are a seducer, pua, womanizer, “can get girls”, or whatever, but they are doing it through online dating then they are misrepresenting what they are doing - they are lying. I don’t like guys who misrepresent who they are, lying about picking up girls, or being “high value”, when it was through online dating lol

Getting laid through online is in the same league as paying a prostitute - do what makes you happy, but they are not pickup.

what does it matter if a guy with little programming experience says he has a lot?

what does it matter if a guy can’t paddle out on his own but says he’s a surfer?

what does it matter if a guy says he picked up a girl through Tinder, than thinks hes a real player lol?

 

[BigPapa]

I think that the opening part is the easiest one from all the process based on what rookies are writing here , but also based on what most of the articles on GC are about .

Actually on the opening part there is no real technique that you can apply . You say something direct or indirect and you hope that she will say something back , and then you move on with the next part

Since except the opening part that is different let's say , I would say that the rest of the process is the same more or less

Talking about what makes a good seducer , I think that if you do not bed good looking girls you are not a seducer ( or at least a good one ) . I think that this is a better KPI ( the quality of girls you bed ) than if you game on the internet or in real life , if you can bang a girl on the first date or not , and other stuff like that

 

[LouisVuitton]

I like going out better. But it’s time consuming and less practical. I work. Online works with my schedule much better than going out at night.