Online & Apps Are Online Dating and Prostitution "Lame"? (2020)

[Chrance]

@Chase

hookers and online dating physically exist for people who cannot meet someone otherwise. That is who they are for, like a hammer is for hitting nails. This doesn’t mean they can’t be used for different purposes. If someone used a hammer as a weapon or a plane as a boat, doesn’t matter how cool they are or how many lays they have, the purpose of the hammer and the plane remain the same

This is why I say the activity is lame, not necessarily the person partaking. Though generally lame people do a lot of lame things. But cool people can do lame things too, like:
1.) shitty table manners
2.) lying
3.) back stabbing
Mentioning other guys using online or prostitution as evidence that these activities are cool or to remove the desperation generally involved is missing the point of why these products/services exists - they exist to satisfy guys and girls who have no other choice.

A guy throwing cash at a girl or taking gay photos and making a fake bio just to get physical affection says something about his character. “Why is he doing that stupid shit just to get laid?”

I’ve yet to see an explanation as to how getting silly photos and poking a screen to get your dick wet is cool or as cool as talking to girls in a club. I’d love to hear someone paint that as a “high value” thing.

btw I don’t have much of an issue with paying prostitutes. It’s lame but not as bad as online dating; there is definitely more leeway with prostitution since it involves money and is straightforward so I agree with you examples. I used online dating when I started in order (as you mentioned!!) to build momentum, which it did! But once I saw it was a dumb thing to do and got the little momentum I needed I stopped and moved on.

@Chrance,
As for online... I have repeatedly recommended online as a useful way of building momentum and keeping the girls rolling in between other avenues. Lots of guys have. Being a night gamer or a day gamer does not preclude doing online too. Yes, the quality is lower, and the girls are broken-er... but online can be part of a well-rounded diet.

I don't have a lot of respect as PUAs for guys where 75%+ of their lays are coming from online, I will say that. But if a guy shags 30 girls in a year, where 18 of those are online, and 12 are cold approach, I will think, "All right, this guy is doing okay. He's on his way." I do not think "Ha! What a loser!"

I totally agree. But I go a step further because, like you, I’m don’t respect guys whose main source of lays is from online. However, I ask myself “why is this? Why don’t I and other people respect them equally?” And it boils down to the fact that online dating is lame. There is something wrong with the activity itself. Its simply not as cool. Here’s some basic inequalities I think we can agree on (if not that’s fine):

1.) talking to girls in person and getting laid > online dating and getting laid
2.) talking to girls in person and NOT getting laid > online dating and getting laid
3.) banging girls from in person encounters + online dating = banging girls from in person encounters

For those of you who’ve banged tons of girls from online, please elaborate on how getting ptofessionsl photos, typing a bio and poking buttons all to get laid is as cool as simply not getting laid at all. Is there a thrill in poking those buttons? Is it sexy getting that gay angle so your face looks better? Is it arousing swiping back and forth? Is it stimulating seeing the alerts pop up saying you have a match? I’d love to know. Clearly you’re seeing something I’m not

I don’t want to be disrespectful, but the “these guys do it so it’s cool” thing isn’t going to fly. Notice with in person approaches no one needs to say “here’s why that’s cool” or “hey that cool guy did it so it must be cool too”. No. You just look at it and know why. Seeing guys talk to the girl you wanted can invoke jealousy or excitement; seeing guys swipe left and right does not.

But you know, I’m starting to think “get laid at all costs” is the mantra here, which I don’t follow. Perhaps this is my uh “limiting belief” lol. “Do whatever it takes to get laid” isn’t for me I’m afraid

anyway, I’ve derailed enough. There’s just so much I’m curious about with online dating. Like, at how many lays do I need to have before Tinder becomes really cool? At 100 real lays will Tinder become cool? 200? If poking buttons on a screen is “game” than why do we respect guys with game lol? It just means they’re talented at taking photos and swiping a lot lol.

 

[ljrozz69]

Sorry for the derail @Skills...

 

[Velasco]

For those of you who’ve banged tons of girls from online, please elaborate on how getting ptofessionsl photos, typing a bio and poking buttons all to get laid is as cool as simply not getting laid at all. Is there a thrill in poking those buttons? Is it sexy getting that gay angle so your face looks better? Is it arousing swiping back and forth? Is it stimulating seeing the alerts pop up saying you have a match? I’d love to know. Clearly you’re seeing something I’m not

These are very incel comments, Chrance. Stop worrying so much about what others choose to do with their sex lives, and worry about your own. if you don't want to do online dating (like me) then don't. Simple.

 

[trashKENNUT]

For those of you who’ve banged tons of girls from online, please elaborate on how getting ptofessionsl photos, typing a bio and poking buttons all to get laid is as cool as simply not getting laid at all. Is there a thrill in poking those buttons? Is it sexy getting that gay angle so your face looks better? Is it arousing swiping back and forth? Is it stimulating seeing the alerts pop up saying you have a match? I’d love to know. Clearly you’re seeing something I’m not

It's superficial. Even if I get pissed off.

But aren't you wearing a blazer or that gay skinny jeans? Or that gay item on your wrist?

Aren't you poking her butttons before you actually poking her?

Maybe that gay Tag Heuer watch that cost $1,997 that no one really gives a shit except your cousins childrens.

Suddenly, you not so different after all eh.

If poking buttons on a screen is “game” than why do we respect guys with game lol? It just means they’re talented

What makes you come to conclusion that men respect men with "game"?

Just because you only see a group of people who have what you want, and you carrying their balls with "respect"?

You do know that many people don't respect Pickup artist and respect social circle game which paints many men into thinking that they are cool when in fact, put them outside their bubble and they lose.

Put a cold approach only guy in social circle and he's gay. He's useless.

Your logic is flawed, man. Too idiotic.

 

[BigPapa]

For those of you who’ve banged tons of girls from online, please elaborate on how getting ptofessionsl photos, typing a bio and poking buttons all to get laid is as cool as simply not getting laid at all. Is there a thrill in poking those buttons? Is it sexy getting that gay angle so your face looks better? Is it arousing swiping back and forth? Is it stimulating seeing the alerts pop up saying you have a match? I’d love to know. Clearly you’re seeing something I’m not

No matter how you game , it still requires building a skill . Dates & sex from tinder don't come from nothing , and in reality sex from tinder is not that easy . Me personally I find it easier to bed someone that I met in the real world , than someone that I met through a dating app .

The only issue that I see in reality with dating apps is that you get cat fished quite often , and that if you rely mostly on this channel the quality of girls will not be that high most of the times. The quality will be more or less around average.

Some guys are ok with this , some are not , but for sure it does not mean that pussy just falls out of the sky for this guys and that you should patronize them

 

[Chrance]

@Velasco, @BigPapa, @ZacAdam People are free do whatever they want here to get pussy. Doing whatever it takes isn’t always for me. Doing lame shit for some ass is definitely not for me. That’s just how it is. But online dating raises so many questions: Why is online always “supplemental” if it’s so cool? Why do people instinctly dislike online dating? Why are players who use primarily online dating less respected than those that meet primarily in person? Why is paying a prostitute less valid than online dating? Why is simping frowned upon but online dating isn’t? Perfectly valid questions. This forum (maybe not this thread fml sorry lol) seems the perfect place to address them.

I’ll leave it here

 

[trashKENNUT]

I think we accidentally hit your 'survival mechanism'.

If you lose this debate, which clearly is not a winning or losing thing from me, or any of the guys here. We trying to point a mental frame you are working from.

I be the first to say I am sorry. This happens all the time with conversation and debates when you have conflicting views. You often see Muslims shouting over Jews or vice versa. They shout louder because of that 'survival mechanism' variable. Because if they losez or consider the perception of losing, they mentally die.

Again, I am sorry.

There's a certain level of "mental standards" that we have as survival mechanism.

But yea man. Maybe when you achieve your goals and not get girls online. Then revisit this comment section and consider if it helps.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Game is not exclusively canned pickup lines or going for the close, it is ultimately what you to make yourself attractive to the opposite sex for them to want to sleep with you. Now there are many ways people can do this and each branch of game requires its own set of skill. Perhaps cold approach requires you to be bold and act in the moment. Maybe social circle game requires you to "get people" and navigate in a more subtle way to get hot girls. Online game requires you to market yourself and lifestyle in such a way that with a short attention span and only seconds to decide, women pick you over the many other guys that came before.

All are various forms of game and I have known guys to get reasonably decent results exclusively using each one. When you are on communities which were built on ideas by guys like Mystery and such, even well before dating apps were really that much of a thing, obviously most men will lean more towards cold approach as the main staple.

The truth is it is all about your style. Some guys are great at taking good photos and building such an image online that women cannot help but swipe right. Some guys can approach a girl out of the blue and take her home, having not known her before that. Others are so good with people that they get into communities where they meet women as a result of just being there.

You have to find what works for you and go with it. Many guys can do decent at multiple avenues.

Saving this thread for @Skills though I have a better question, how are you using the quarantine and lockdown to improve yourself, find your watering well, and see where the future trends go with all of this?

 

[Skills]

@Velasco, @BigPapa, @ZacAdam People are free do whatever they want here to get pussy. Doing whatever it takes isn’t always for me. Doing lame shit for some ass is definitely not for me. That’s just how it is. But online dating raises so many questions: Why is online always “supplemental” if it’s so cool? Why do people instinctly dislike online dating? Why are players who use primarily online dating less respected than those that meet primarily in person? Why is paying a prostitute less valid than online dating? Why is simping frowned upon but online dating isn’t? Perfectly valid questions. This forum (maybe not this thread fml sorry lol) seems the perfect place to address them.

I’ll leave it here

@Chrance , in the context of the post.... I was trying to make a SECOND point that during the quarantine, since women could not go out (when it was more enforece tthe lock down context ) This post is written in PAST TENSE A LESSON ON QUARANTINE

that guys that knew a bit of online, notice when i said online i was not talking about tinder, i was talking about dating apps and i was also talking about instagram and facebook.....

I was also talking about PINGING.... (too lazy to explain this)....

my point was that guys that are used to "text" and do online game had a slight advantage over guys that are not used to do those things due to very rigid idiologies such as yours....

I have paid and fucked prostitutes some of them i seduced and then made them fuck buddies and did it for free.... Do you know who are a slight lower level than a prostitute/escorts and/or prostitute in a lot of cases STRIPPERS.... And a tranny has probably accidentally been there too...

Most of the best guys I can name drop all day have seduced at some point strippers and escorts.... I will not name drop....

Now let me ask you some questions: do you have the skill set to fuck a girl online?
do you have a skill set to seduce an escort?
do you have the skill set to seduce a stripper?

 

[Chase]

@Chrance,

hookers and online dating physically exist for people who cannot meet someone otherwise. That is who they are for, like a hammer is for hitting nails.

I wonder how many mongers and online daters you've been around to reach these conclusions?

In actual fact, it's a lot more complicated than this.

Mind that I am saying this as a guy who doesn't pay for hookers (I have no problem with them if we're not paying) and rarely does online.

There are lame desperate guys who cannot meet people otherwise -- there are guys like this among the clientele of hookers and the shag-base of online dating chicks.

But that is probably no more than 30% of the guys actually using these methods.

If you go to Thailand, for instance, you will see plenty of cool, buff chads and multimillionaire Internet marketers in the gogos picking up hookers they then go on to pay for sex. Many of these guys are anywhere from halfway decent to quite good at getting laid when they aren't paying for it. Most of them could easily get laid just by going to a regular nightclub and chatting up girls or doing some day game. Why do they do it, if they aren't desperate and they have other options? There must be a different motivation.

I know a couple of guys who were exceptionally talented day game pick up artists with triple digit notch counts who got very into banging hookers. One kept day gaming and balanced both pickup and hooking. The other abandoned pickup entirely and went full into hookers. His explanation was "I got tired of being a psychologist for two hours and listening to the same crap from every girl." He lost his love for the game, and paying a bit of money for sex just became more satisfying. Maybe we could say "Well he should've learned a different kind of game" or "He should've figured out a way to pick up he enjoyed better" -- but it's pretty tough to get someone to start from scratch once he's already past his primary learning curve. Most guys will never do it. It is easy to get into paying a chick for sex though.

Mentioning other guys using online or prostitution as evidence that these activities are cool or to remove the desperation generally involved is missing the point of why these products/services exists - they exist to satisfy guys and girls who have no other choice.

What?

How does "eh, don't totally dismiss these things or write them off as 'lame'" get misconstrued as "these things are TOTALLY cool!"

If I thought whore mongering or online dating were totally cool, I'd have put that in my post.

Do I recommend hookers? Not my cup of tea, but no judgment if it's yours. Online dating? Perhaps; can be useful in moderation.

You yourself used online dating to get your start. Now you're telling guys you "wouldn't recommend it."

Remember that for every guy who hangs around in seduction and makes progress and sees gains, 99 other guys abandon it.

If we can get a guy laid a few times off online dating, and that helps him build some early wins so he sticks around and then learns cold approach, I see that as a net positive to that guy's life itself and to the seduction community.

Shaming dudes for a mode of pickup that is not deceitful or dishonest is, however, lame. I know shaming is all the rage right now. We as humans in general get a little thrill every time we shame someone else as "not as [whatever good thing]" as we ourselves are. But it's petty, it's divisive, and it inflames passions I'd rather not see inflamed here.

If someone is going around lying to women and hurting them, then yeah, sure, shame him -- I'm all for that.

If some guy however is doing day game and you think night game is the best... or he's doing online game and you think cold approach is superior... or he's doing social circle and you think he's an absolute retard given how many more girls are available online... we really don't need to be derailing guys' threads to debate this.

If it must be debated, start a thread titled "BEST TYPE OF GAME" and let everyone have it out at each other in there.

(but if it becomes too uncivil, the mods will lock the thread)

EDIT: just went ahead and split this thread off @Skills's coronavirus thread.

A guy throwing cash at a girl or taking gay photos and making a fake bio just to get physical affection says something about his character. “Why is he doing that stupid shit just to get laid?”

This framing can be used for anything, though.

"A guy going out and walking around the streets for hours looking for women to approach, then approaching them and getting shot down, is lame. He could just be on an app swiping his thumb while watching a movie, then have those girls come over to his place! Why is he doing that stupid shit just to get laid?"

"A guy going out creeping around a nightclub getting ignored by women and hoping for an alcohol-fueled hookup at the end of the night after hours of mingling with people he doesn't like is lame. He could just go to a gogo, pick out a girl he likes who likes him back, take her to a hotel, and have a full night of passionate sex with a girl who's an absolute sex addict, then pay her a bit of money at the end. Why instead is he doing that stupid shit just to get laid?"

Anything you do to get women can be framed as "stupid and lame."

Whatever you are doing to get women, it is going to involve an outlay of time, energy, money, and perhaps some degree of discomfort.

Now -- mind you. I do day and night game myself. I'm not a whore monger and I've only occasionally online gamed. I obviously do NOT think day/night game are lame. But if you are a monger or an online gamer who thinks his way is the best, you can easily make the same arguments against YOUR (@Chrance) positions, and whoever 'wins' the debate is going to come down to who's the better debater, not who is objectively right (it's also going to come down to who the audience is judging this debate. An audience of cold approach PUAs and an audience of mongers are each going to judge very differently).

I’ve yet to see an explanation as to how getting silly photos and poking a screen to get your dick wet is cool or as cool as talking to girls in a club. I’d love to hear someone paint that as a “high value” thing.

This all comes down to rhetoric, man.

It is not hard to frame a guy who can sit back and effortlessly line up girls to come over and shag on his phone while he does other stuff like chill with his bros or watch an action flick or build his business as cooler than some guy paying nightclub entrance fees and getting shot down by women who don't like him.

See how I did that?

It's all rhetoric.

The rhetoric trick there is we highlight the advantages of the guy we want to look cool and the disadvantages of the guy we want to look lame.

I am taking a somewhat opposite position to my own in the debate here, just to pop the bubble you are in. I have a lot more personal respect for the cold approacher, myself.

But make no mistake, there are guys who love online, and who WILL make that same argument: you're lame if you're staying out late, exhausting yourself, spending loads of money, and still managing to get laid less successfully than they do from the comfort of home with their apps (and while there are a few guys who are absolute monsters at picking up consistently and regularly over a span of 6+ months at the clubs or on the street, there are undeniably way, way more guys shagging as many or more girls than these off online... because it is far less energy intensive, and far easier to do from an energetic standpoint once you have the photos and the method down).

I ask myself “why is this? Why don’t I and other people respect them equally?” And it boils down to the fact that online dating is lame. There is something wrong with the activity itself. Its simply not as cool.

I agree. But then again, we get to the issue of why isn't it as cool?

The lower respect for mongering and online dating is for several reasons.

One is because it is easier.

It's the fast food of the dating world. Instead of cooking a delicious, healthy meal that took skill, thought, and preparation, you ate some crap that came off an assembly line and cooked up in a deep fryer by some kid who's a high school dropout.

If you're a guy who values game as a skill (and not all guys do), it's hard to respect a man who gets sex an easy way that doesn't expose him to great risk and reward.

Another reason we respect it less is because the girls you meet both places are lower quality.

Only the most hardcore whore monger or online dater is going to try to argue you can get the same quality in hooker-with-a-heart-of-gold or some online dating diva you can get with a similarly attractive (or more attractive) girl you meet on the street or even in a bar. I for one would much rather wife up a girl I met in a nightclub (and actually was married for a bit to a girl I picked up in a nightclub, so my money is where my mouth is!) than a girl I shagged off online or paid for at a brothel. No contest. And obviously day game girls are far superior to all those in terms of LTR quality.

I don’t want to be disrespectful, but the “these guys do it so it’s cool” thing isn’t going to fly. Notice with in person approaches no one needs to say “here’s why that’s cool” or “hey that cool guy did it so it must be cool too”. No. You just look at it and know why. Seeing guys talk to the girl you wanted can invoke jealousy or excitement; seeing guys swipe left and right does not.

I think you might be reacting to guys like @Oh Pry and @naturalmikey, and the reaction of some of the @Oh Pry and @naturalmikey fan boys on here?

If so, then yes, I agree. I too found that very annoying.

I think the issue with those guys though was that they were getting laid off of apps, then going around acting like hotshots who were so much better than the guys doing cold approach.

Which, to most of us here who do and more highly value cold approach, does indeed look unbelievably lame.

Then the handful of fan boys they got following them around thinking they were as cool as they claimed they were made the whole thing look even lamer.

Nothing wrong with online or mongering so long as you can do it without trying to go around proselytizing everybody.

But when it turns into something where you need to act like you've figured out the master key, because you are doing this thing that is easier than what other guys are doing, despite only doing part of the actual get laid process, you are just going to look like an idiot in a community of guys doing the full thing that takes more and harder work.

But you know, I’m starting to think “get laid at all costs” is the mantra here, which I don’t follow. Perhaps this is my uh “limiting belief” lol. “Do whatever it takes to get laid” isn’t for me I’m afraid

Don't strawman just to try to seize the moral high ground, man. Now THAT is uncool!

Saying "Here are some guys who do it and here is their motivation" is a very different thing from saying "Here's what everyone should care about."

You're not new here (or maybe you are? Just joined a few months ago. So maybe figuring out what this place is all about still?).

The aim is to be agnostic to guys' desired outcomes.

If you want to shag 1,000 girls, cool.

If you want to find your soul mate and get married, cool.

If you want to shag a bunch of girls, then get into a nice LTR, cool.

Want to judge other guys' goals with women and the means they use to get them? UNCOOL.

Arguing about "What you want to do with women is stupid. What I want to do with women is cool" is some high school-tier stuff.

There's no need for that here. We can all be adults and operate among peers, some of whom agree with us on X, some of whom don't agree with us on X, without needing to get into self-righteous posturing.

Chase

 

[Teevster]

People may do whatever they want. But banging prostitutes is not game and is a lame topic to debate on pick up forums or on pick up websites.

For those wondering:
- I do not bang prostitutes (I have done it... without paying - does not count). I have paid for hookers twice in my life. Once in Thailand - where I was so drunk that I even forgot to shag the girl (ended up debating philosphy while drunk and then passing out on the floor, while she slept in my bed) and another time in bulgaria where I wanted to find out what it was like to pay for sex. I truly did not enjoy the vibe that came with it.
- I have only 3 pulls from Tinder. I do not like it and I may use it just as a time-killer occasionally. I have not tried any other forms of online game, other than Tinder.

Just to be transparent.

 

[Chase]

People may do whatever they want. But banging prostitutes is not game and is a lame topic to debate on pick up forums or on pick up websites.

Oh yeah, completely agreed.

There are entire forums where guys just talk about mongering non-stop. If a guy wants to talk/debate mongering, he can go over there.

 

[Rakkum]

and actually was married for a bit to a girl I picked up in a nightclub, so my money is where my mouth is!)

Las Vegas? Joking... But what's the story behind the marriage ?

 

[Chase]

Las Vegas? Joking... But what's the story behind the marriage ?

Gonna have to remain untold for now, I'm afraid.

If ever I should no longer be in the seduction/romance business, maybe I'll get into my complicated relationship with marriage.

 

[Starboy]

Gonna have to remain untold for now, I'm afraid.

If ever I should no longer be in the seduction/romance business, maybe I'll get into my complicated relationship with marriage.

Yeah no reason for you to tell us your personal business you already do enough of that lol. Whatever you have already shared with the community is more than enough to inspire and motivate the ones that are willing to use it as fuel to improve and get better

 

[Chrance]

Tl;dr: online “game” is a misrepresentation of pickup and dating; it is no different than calling swimming with floaties a swimmer, surfing with assistance a surfer and riding with training wheels a biker; it is a lame thing to do with some exceptions

online gamer: “that’s real surfing”
Normal people: “Uhh sure bud”

if you have someone pushing you into a wave, you are NOT surfing, you are partial surfing, you are learning to surf. If you went home and told everyone “yea I went surfing today” after a whole day of getting pulled out and pushed into a wave you would be misrepresenting what you’re doing. If you’re learning that’s fine, it’s just semantics. But after a certain point it becomes weird when you compare yourself with other guys who paddle out themselves, chose and caught waves all themselves - when you say or imply “yea I’m surfing as much as they are!” It becomes weird and in some ways insulting unless you were joking

why this is the case is firstly because paddling out, staying on your board and discerning and catching your own waves are key components to the activity as a whole. If you can’t do these basic things you can’t honestly say you can surf. If you aren’t doing these things (if you’re having someone pull you out and push you) you are NOT surfing - you are either learning to surf or goofing off.

secondly, it is because paddling out, catching the wave, etc (all the stuff needed before youcan stand up and ride) - all of these things are in fact not easy to do; just like pickup, before you can ride home with the lay, you have to put in some bare minimum work - ie attract/pickup and comfort/mid-game (in mystery terms). All in person lays follow a similar framework which mystery outlined but can be summarized in other ways. The only exceptions I can think of are forced arrange marriages.

The difficulty in those initial stages of surfing are important - it’s not merely about “toughness” in itself. It’s that those forces of nature are not working in your favor, just like a woman’s motives when you meet in person, so you are forced to adapt, think and persevere in order to get out to the lineup, discern and catch a wave - ie get the hook and reach mid game. And then when you finally catch a wave, you get the great reward for all your efforts - you can now partake in one of life’s greatest pleasures!!

PUAs thinking of an opener, yesterday

I have to emphasize how difficult and daunting it can be to paddle out and the experience needed in discerning good waves from bad ones, because all of that difficulty and experience contributes to the feeling of confusion you get when someone says “yea I can surf” when said person needed someone else (ie the dating app) to pull them out, choose their wave, and push them in for them. If he wasn’t paddling out, choosing his own waves and catching his own waves, he was not surfing; and if he isn’t meeting chicks in person, if he’s skipping over the initial phases of a pickup straight to the mid or end game, he is NOT doing pickup - he isn’t even dating. He’s doing some variant of jerking off, ie paying a prostitute or using online dating. If you want to do that lame shit, please don’t pretend your doing anything else, conflating things that are in different leagues.

All in person lays go through the same stretch - pickup, mid and end game; online goes through maybe parts of mid and end game; online dating is a subset of real dating; real dating is not a subset of online. This is not “rehtttorickk” lol. Taking photos, making a bio and swiping are not skills, but rather low value behavior men have accepted as necessary evils to get their dick wet, hence the subset. But I’m sure someone will try squaring taking silly photos and typing a bio as “pickup” or “attraction” just as much as someone will construe getting pulled out to the line up and getting pushed into a wave as paddling themselves out and catching their own waves. Big mental leaps, which are fine if it’s a child or someone who needs momentum or motivation, not fine if it’s an adult with previous experience; it then becomes a question of “why is this adult with experience socializing and dating still using training wheels? Shouldn’t he be out talking and meeting people? Could it be he really just wants sex, but not the means of getting it? What’s wrong with the means of getting sex, like saying hey and starting a conversation? Is he unable to do these things? Why doesn’t he just pay for a prostitute or jerk off then?” Suspicions of lameness begin to take root

Now, notice we have LRs for online dating but not for paying prostitutes. In both situations youre skipping over phases of the seduction to get the result (perfectly understandable btw); yet we pay more respect (ie more acknowledgement as a lay) to online dating lays over prostitute lays. Why? Because online lays went through more phases? Ehh the beginner surfer did some paddling while getting pushed so therefore he can surf loll??? No. They both skipped those initial parts of seduction, so no seducing or picking up or dating actually occurred. So no need to call either a lay when they are both incomplete subsets of the real thing. Why is it important what’s considered a lay? It’s to avoid conflating and misrepresenting what you’re doing. Online “game” is a misrepresentation of seduction, pickup and dating. It is conflating swimming with floaties with swimming without them. If you’re a grown man who can swim or surf, you are lame if you are still using floaties or needing someone to pull you out and push you into the wave. You’re either lame or goofing off, one of the two. So throw away your floaties, paddle out on your own, delete your gay tinder account, and fully partake in the activity.

if mick fanning wants to get pulled out and pushed into a wave, then declares “yea this is also true surfing” you know he’s doing it to draw in new surfers and to spare the hearts of those having difficulty paddling out, letting his fame making him feel he can declare what is or isn’t surfing; doesn’t change the fact that getting pulled out and pushed into a wave is not real surfing but for learners

if Michael Phelps wants to wear floaties then more power to him! and if he then says “this is what real swimming is” LOL you know he’s goofing off, being full of shit or like the surfing example, trying to spare the hearts of those who are having trouble swimming to draw in new swimmers; doesn’t change the fact that being able to swim means swimming without floaties

if mystery says “I use online dating and it’s the real deal lol” all the above applies! He’d be full of shit or trying to draw in new PUAs or whatever. Doesn’t change the status of online dating.

swimming with floaties isn’t swimming; surfing while getting pulled out and pushed by someone isn’t surfing; online dating isn’t pickup, seduction or dating - it is a half baked variant suited for people with social issues who can’t talk to strangers yet.

“but what’s real swimming?” - online players, 2020

if you are still using floaties but calling yourself a swimmer than you are misrepresenting who you are and what you do. This is part of what makes online dating so especially lame; dudes get a lay, treat that lay as different than a prostitute lay, yet treat it equal to an in person lay; dudes use online dating and think it’s just an “alternative” or “complementary” form of dating. No lol it’s neither. It’s as complentary as training wheels on a bicycle. But it makes you wonder why would anyone conflate the two??? Hmmm. It doesn’t take much of an imagination to figure out why lol. A dude wants to get to the end without wanting to go through the means, which requires dissociating talking and socializing (good proper behavior) with sex; he wants to skip around the initial phases to reach mid and end game; specifically, he wants to avoid those phases where the forces of nature, the woman’s motives and interests, are unknown or working against him in order to get to the part where the world is turning his way, the girl clearly likes him and he just needs to ride things smoothly. If you can’t perceive this as lame than bless your heart lol

paddling out, although gruesome sometimes, is not separate from surfing. It is in fact a critical part of the joy of the activity. It is soooo cool when you ride a good wave, turn back around and paddle back and your whole body is filled with so much excitement you don’t even realize your tired and burnt!! The whole world disappears. And during this coronacation I got to reexperience my passion of surfing that was once very dear to me before college

In fact, this past Memorial Day weekend the weather was soo good, so I went out! And as I was out in the lineup this old guy popped up. He was with his kids surfing too. “It’s an awesome day!” He said. After some time my shoulders got burnt out, but he kept going and going catching everything it seemed! Nothing could stop him lol. “I don’t think I can keep up with you,” I said. “Oh come on,” he said, then after a deep pause, continued: “you know, I’ve paid my dues. None of this is new to me.” Then he smiled, paddled and caught a wave.

now, imagine if instead I was getting pulled out and pushed by someone else into the waves in order to catch more than him. Would it make any sense for me to sincerely say “you’ve gotta keep up!” No lol, I wouldnt be surfing; there’d be nothing for him to keep up with! it’d be funny, a joke, and that’s all. but are online gamers really joking? That is to say, are they aware that any equivalence to in person lays is a joke? Are they aware they’re swimming with floaties? I personally think they are lol

edit:
notice that misrepresentations often lend themselves to being funny. I like to call dolphins “flippers“, because that’s all I ever see them doing. Sharks are the drunk hot headed fellas of the ocean; don’t disturb them. Naturally online “game” lends itself to being funny or to not be taken seriously. It’s a misrepresentation of actual dating and pickup.

 

[Chrance]

Note:
I started out with Tinder, banged one girl almost immediately from it to lose my virginity than stopped. A lot of my friends use Tinder.

I’ve paid a prostitute through encouragement of friends. Pretty lame but not really. More leeway than online dating. Definitely better option than online dating, since they’re both not seduction or pickup anyway.

I don’t know anything about using social media.

also something to consider:

1.) why is implying you don’t use online dating a DHV to some girls? how could it be?

“Nah I don’t use that.” “Well how do you meet people?” “Uh in person” <== I know this can be read as condescending, but how could it even have the potential for condescension unless in person meets carried more weight. You can’t use online dating to condescend to anyone

2.) why does telling people how you met in person spark interest but telling people how you met online does not? (Just the opposite, it sparks cringe lol)

 

[Velasco]

1.) why is implying you don’t use online dating a DHV to some girls? how could it be?

“Nah I don’t use that.” “Well how do you meet people?” “Uh in person”

because it takes balls to do that.

anything that takes balls is a DHV.

this however doesn't mean there is no seduction going on in online gaming (sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't...just like approaching in person), because it takes less balls to do that.

 

[Starboy]

Note:
I started out with Tinder, banged one girl almost immediately from it to lose my virginity than stopped. A lot of my friends use Tinder.

I’ve paid a prostitute through encouragement of friends. Pretty lame but not really. More leeway than online dating. Definitely better option than online dating, since they’re both not seduction or pickup anyway.

I don’t know anything about using social media.

also something to consider:

1.) why is implying you don’t use online dating a DHV to some girls? how could it be?

“Nah I don’t use that.” “Well how do you meet people?” “Uh in person” <== I know this can be read as condescending, but how could it even have the potential for condescension unless in person meets carried more weight. You can’t use online dating to condescend to anyone

2.) why does telling people how you met in person spark interest but telling people how you met online does not? (Just the opposite, it sparks cringe lol)

So you came with an elaborate essay to logically illustrate why online dating is for inferior men and why it's lame. Completely ignored everything chase said about attacking other guys methods for getting girls and made some pointless analogy about surfing lol. Sounds like a red herring to me. It did not make your argument more convincing and if anything it made you like you were trying too hard to state your argument. If you think online dating is lame then fine that's your opinion it's what you think. Why are you so thirsty to tell everyone else on these boards? Yeah most guys not initiated with game and pickup are lameos and don't cold approach so they do use tinder and ig or hookers to get girls cuz it requires little effort and stress and yeah those are low value men. But the guys who know how to extract fine hunnies from tinder isn't low value. It does take some finesse and skill to do so since dating apps are so saturated with people and women are getting dms from literally hundreds and thousands of guys. Besides we're in a fucking pandemic so there's not many opportunities to game girls during the day and there is zero at night. Girls are a lot less open to being gamed now,there are a lot more boundaries and barriers then before, and depending on where you live getting corona is also a risk no matter how trivial you think the virus actually is.Online dating is the safest and practical thing to do now while the world is in a crisis and everything is out of whack. You could even make a argument that it's harder because now everybody is using them since the economy is closed for the most part. You're really trying to come at guys for being sensible? Cmon dude

 

[Sub-Zero]

Oh yeah, completely agreed.

There are entire forums where guys just talk about mongering non-stop. If a guy wants to talk/debate mongering, he can go over there.

I didn’t know wifing up a girl from a nightclub would be better than wifing an online girl?

Could you explain why?

These some-what older online girls really try to get in a relationship and have kids ASAP, sometimes that’s literally all they talk about, and want to date a man who’s “serious” lol.

You’d think they’d be ok to be with compared to a chick who goes out to nightclubs.

But hopefully you can answer this because I had no idea online was that bad.