Socializing Deep dive into the reds, unreceptive not interested.....V-blog

[Skills]

Ok guys i just finished a video due to a lot of issues in the forum with the traffic light system lol.... But anyways, not trying to bring back issues, just that got inspired to do the video for a while ( the subject popping up lately a lot).... (i did the videos really good years ago but youtube took off my captions so now they make no sense):


so what is a red (from my blog):

"If you read the modern seduction books for example models, 60yoc, Aaron Sleazy, Mode one, my book etc… You will hear a lot about screening and the 3 types of women, the reason i bring this up is that dudes pm me or ask me questions on what to do with women that are already interested,more on this later, this is basic info. that most seducers know but i will bring it up again cause it seems that is not that obvious to many of you, and i notice guys use the wrong strategy with many of them, so they fuck it up…

Not interested, red, no receptive: These women are a freaking waste of time, they usually have a bf, or like somebody else, or you are not their type, or they don’t like your personality and style, or they were neutral and now they are not interested(happens to a lot of you do to your neediness and weak ass game). These women will put you in the “friendzone” or in my new concept “a nothing(not a friend, not a buddy a 0)”. These girls are possible to convert(my current gf went from neutral to not interested due to my neediness with her), but the amount of effort and work is not worth it. These girls will tell you they have a boyfriend, walk away, be flaky as fuck, talk to you about other dudes they like, get annoyed by you, tell you to fuck your self, give you fake numbers, try to go the other way when they see you, treat you rude etc… These girls are a huge waste of time(but skills, you said your gf, was in this category, are you being a hypocrite? no, cause i stop wasting my time with her, and got other women, then she came back to me as interested)…. example: client: i do not have money, i work in macdonalds at 7 an hour there is no way i can afford this vehicle. This is about 50% of women

Time is the most important thing when it comes to seduction, your time is valuable. Cause if you are wasting to much time and investment in an unreceptive, not interested women, is time that you can be wasting in a interested, or neutral, not to mention it makes you needy as fuck. So you will be asking a million question on what to do with that particular girl, when the only answer is, GET OTHER WOMEN"

- I talk about og seducers don't care about the traffic light system and how is a way for screeners to teach game and make game efficient for guys looking for down to fuck women.

- I talk about how is one of the strategies to get laid, how I was heavy on it for 15 years but is not as effective today as it used to be.

- I talk about how i contradict myself all the time, due that seduction is like a stock market, crypto, like the hosing market.... The environment is constantly changing in USA, a year technical is working good, then screening works good. Online gets hot, then sucks, night game gets hot then sucks, day game gets hot then sucks (corona) etc...

- I talk about how we lost razor jack due to the fights about the traffic light system.

- I talk how women that are red, unreceptive, not interested are the most controversial so i will start there.

- I explain how red will be 50% of the girls to screeners, and the main issue is due to being taken, you not being the type, friction (age gap, social gap, religious differences etc...)

- I explain how a green can go to red due to bad game even if you look good.

- I explain the most common cases of red that has gone green and vice versa.


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Screening game has been high jacked and bastardized

Guys a bit of rambling cause i am just disgusted and fuming (again why i avoid pick up content) context.- I have not watched pua content for a while, i don't know somewhere along the line i lost interest, i would say the last 5 years, got repetitive and water down and shifted to more of those...

www.skilledseducer.com

p.s. my trolling intros. are old, disregard millennial style... (i don't dress like that now a days)

 

[Spike]

I watched your video and examples you gave of converting reds. In none of the 3 scenarios did the guy convert a red.

Each time he converted a green.

Girl with a boyfriend that she doesn’t value anymore and is open to cheating. Green.
And 2 scenarios where a girl sees a guy who is her type. Guy 1: after he changed his entire look by updating his style and getting in good shape). Green.
Guy 2: became high status. Green.

When there’s talk about converting a red to a green. We’re talking about converting a girl that is actively in love with her boyfriend and is not open to cheating (present red). Converting a girl that sees your dressed in outdated fashion and not in shape and doesn’t find your attractive (present red). Or is only attracted to guys with high status and is aware you work at McDonald’s making $7/hr (present red).

can you sleep with girls with boyfriends? Yes. With greens. Can you sleep with girls when you’re dressed like shit and are fat? Yes greens (mostly average looking greens but yes). Can you sleep with girls while working at McDonald’s? Yes greens. You can just lie or not mention where you work in cold approach situations.

But we are talking about girls that are actively red. Not girls that were red to you 6 months ago. And are now green because their relationship status changed or you updated your look/status situation.

 

[Chase]

@Skills kicking the traffic light cope hornets' nest...

can you sleep with girls with boyfriends? Yes. With greens. Can you sleep with girls when you’re dressed like shit and are fat? Yes greens (mostly average looking greens but yes). Can you sleep with girls while working at McDonald’s? Yes greens. You can just lie or not mention where you work in cold approach situations.

No true Scotsman, eh?

e.g.,

Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."​

Person B: "But my uncle Angus is a Scotsman and he puts sugar on his porridge."​

Person A: "But no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."​

In this case:

Spike: "No red girl will sleep with you."​

Skills: "I slept with a girl who had a boyfriend who had ZERO interest in me the first hour in the venue."​

Spike: "That girl was open to cheating on her boyfriend, which means she was green. No true red girl will sleep with you."​

The traffic light system is an unfalsifiable ranking system with zero predictive power. i.e., effectively useless IRL, just used for cope.

Here's an example of how it plays out:

GUY A: "That girl is too stuck up and isn't giving me any signals. She's obviously a red."​

GUY B: "I'll bet I can fuck her." [approaches her, seduces her, picks her up, and fucks her]​

​

... THE NEXT DAY ...​

​

GUY B: "I fucked your red."​

GUY A: "Obviously she was a green masquerading as a red."​

GUY B: "How about you, did you fuck that green you were talking to after I left?"​

GUY A: "It turned out she isn't dating right now and was in fact a red."​

Is there any use for traffic lights other than as an after-the-fact cope?

If a system has zero predictive power, and is simply unfalsifiable dogma, what differentiates it from any other type of mental masturbation?

Maybe there was a time, in the distant, misty past, when guys were using it in good faith to try to gauge girls' receptiveness.

All that is far better handled with AIs, IOIs, and compliance tests anyway though.

As with the 1-to-10 ranking scale, anytime guys get too enamored with some kind of girl hierarchy system, it takes them over as a cope for not approaching girls who intimidate them and excusing failures with girls who refused to fuck.

Anyway, none of this is new.

I said 5 years ago that the traffic light system was weak and gay.

Nothing has changed... except it's apparently gotten more dogmatic... which means even weaker and even gayer and even more useless.

Why are we still talking about this cope five years later... @Skills I blame you!

Chase

 

[Spike]

Skills: "I slept with a girl who had a boyfriend who had ZERO interest in me the first hour in the venue
."Spike: "That girl was open to cheating on her boyfriend, which means she was green. No true red girl will sleep with you

14:36-15:02

I know you have a product to sell but anyone can listen to skills video and come to their own conclusions

 

[Skills]

@Skills kicking the traffic light cope hornets' nest...



No true Scotsman, eh?

e.g.,

Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."​

Person B: "But my uncle Angus is a Scotsman and he puts sugar on his porridge."​

Person A: "But no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."​

In this case:

Spike: "No red girl will sleep with you."​

Skills: "I slept with a girl who had a boyfriend who had ZERO interest in me the first hour in the venue."​

Spike: "That girl was open to cheating on her boyfriend, which means she was green. No true red girl will sleep with you."​

The traffic light system is an unfalsifiable ranking system with zero predictive power. i.e., effectively useless IRL, just used for cope.

Here's an example of how it plays out:

GUY A: "That girl is too stuck up and isn't giving me any signals. She's obviously a red."​

GUY B: "I'll bet I can fuck her." [approaches her, seduces her, picks her up, and fucks her]​

​

... THE NEXT DAY ...​

​

GUY B: "I fucked your red."​

GUY A: "Obviously she was a green masquerading as a red."​

GUY B: "How about you, did you fuck that green you were talking to after I left?"​

GUY A: "It turned out she isn't dating right now and was in fact a red."​

Is there any use for traffic lights other than as an after-the-fact cope?

If a system has zero predictive power, and is simply unfalsifiable dogma, what differentiates it from any other type of mental masturbation?

Maybe there was a time, in the distant, misty past, when guys were using it in good faith to try to gauge girls' receptiveness.

All that is far better handled with AIs, IOIs, and compliance tests anyway though.

As with the 1-to-10 ranking scale, anytime guys get too enamored with some kind of girl hierarchy system, it takes them over as a cope for not approaching girls who intimidate them and excusing failures with girls who refused to fuck.

Anyway, none of this is new.

I said 5 years ago that the traffic light system was weak and gay.

Nothing has changed... except it's apparently gotten more dogmatic... which means even weaker and even gayer and even more useless.

Why are we still talking about this cope five years later... @Skills I blame you!

Chase

I was simply updating a 10 year old video cause YouTube took the captions i had on the video away, i made your points n the video and linked your articles... Also the system teaching porpoise for guys doing screening... Is something old, i said multiple times how i abandoned it. Didn't know Spike would miagy the point...

 

[Skills]

I watched your video and examples you gave of converting reds. In none of the 3 scenarios did the guy convert a red.

Each time he converted a green.

Girl with a boyfriend that she doesn’t value anymore and is open to cheating. Green.
And 2 scenarios where a girl sees a guy who is her type. Guy 1: after he changed his entire look by updating his style and getting in good shape). Green.
Guy 2: became high status. Green.

When there’s talk about converting a red to a green. We’re talking about converting a girl that is actively in love with her boyfriend and is not open to cheating (present red). Converting a girl that sees your dressed in outdated fashion and not in shape and doesn’t find your attractive (present red). Or is only attracted to guys with high status and is aware you work at McDonald’s making $7/hr (present red).

can you sleep with girls with boyfriends? Yes. With greens. Can you sleep with girls when you’re dressed like shit and are fat? Yes greens (mostly average looking greens but yes). Can you sleep with girls while working at McDonald’s? Yes greens. You can just lie or not mention where you work in cold approach situations.

But we are talking about girls that are actively red. Not girls that were red to you 6 months ago. And are now green because their relationship status changed or you updated your look/status situation.

Did you see how the dude brought Teddy Bear and flowers for a date for the first time... brah oid you hear the part were i said my ex went from yellow to red, and I had to re game her..my ex did not have a boyfriend i was not really her type, did not share her religion and got needy.... I mean i said that story a million times that is how i joined the community...

 

[spear_kin]

AIs, IOIs

Care to tell me what this means?

 

[Spike]

Did you see how the dude brought Teddy Bear and flowers for a date for the first time

That show is scripted. I skipped it. I just listened to the examples you gave of “how can you convert reds”

14:25-16:00

 

[Spike]

Care to tell me what this means?

Approach Invitation
Indicators Of Interest

 

[spear_kin]

Approach Invitation
Indicators Of Interest

Like inviting her to approach you? I'm kinda new

 

[Spike]

Like inviting her to approach you? I'm kinda new

Approach invitations are signs a girl will give that she likes you and wants you to approach her.

And Indicators of interest are exactly that. Signs the girl likes you.

 

[Skills]

That show is scripted. I skipped it. I just listened to the examples you gave of “how can you convert reds”

14:25-16:00

It is not scripted.... And even if it was i been that dude in exact situation, did you hear when I said the word analogy, and context for screeners and did you hear when igave the example of natzy with a tattoo of hitler in a date... Obviously I was just trying to get my point across no literally

 

[Spike]

It is not scripted.... And even if it was i been that dude in exact situation, did you hear when I said the word analogy, and context for screeners and did you hear when igave the example of natzy with a tattoo of hitler in a date... Obviously I was just trying to get my point across no literally

I listened to your video for practical advice. All I heard (14:25-16:00)were examples you gave of converting greens that may have been red years or months ago. That’s not converting a red.

 

[Skills]

I listened to your video for practical advice. All I heard (14:25-16:00)were examples you gave of converting greens that may have been red years or months ago. That’s not converting a red.

Jesus...

 

[Skills]

Care to tell me what this means

Introduction to Approach Invites/Warm approach (Featuring Corvette aka Illuminatus) - The Skills Method

I quote in my book, posts and in my blog tons of good seducers, why? Cause I do not have a big ego, I put your getting good with women … Continue Reading →

www.theskillsmethod.com

 

[ziggydust]

Its' quite rare nowadays, even in the community, to find people who believe you can turn a red too a green (say you are very old and short and you approach a really pretty 18 year old who has less than 0 attraction for you and you are a hard red but you use variuos PUA techniques like cold reads and pushpull lines etc and convert her into a green). I've personally never seen anything like that - even in infield footage from the professionals. I've only ever heard anecdotal evidence of it.

To be honest, even the coaches themselves nowadays seem to sell this idea and they tend to say it's more about finding the girls who are into you (through approaching and reading her reaction well so as not to waste your time) and then using game to help you escalate towards the goal

 

[Skills]

Its' quite rare nowadays, even in the community, to find people who believe you can turn a red too a green (say you are very old and short and you approach a really pretty 18 year old who has less than 0 attraction for you and you are a hard red but you use variuos PUA techniques like cold reads and pushpull lines etc and convert her into a green). I've personally never seen anything like that - even in infield footage from the professionals. I've only ever heard anecdotal evidence of it.

To be honest, even the coaches themselves nowadays seem to sell this idea and they tend to say it's more about finding the girls who are into you (through approaching and reading her reaction well so as not to waste your time) and then using game to help you escalate towards the goal

No believe is their problem, there are people that believe earth is flat...if you have not field tested irrelevant.... To your example i met with my short wing primo a red girl that when he cold approach after told me privately that he was too short that i am more of her type... Then he fucked her, had 3 somes and took to swingclub... But is ok if you don't want to seduce a red you don't have to, i probably only do it if is a girl i really want while gaming other women and disqualifying myself, which is what I did with my ex.... I am not here to sell anyone on gaming reds, i am explaining what they are, in the context of screening game and that is possible...

most famous example of a short man, girl not interested, red:

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

No believe is their problem, there are people that believe earth is flat...if you have not field tested irrelevant.... To your example i met with my short wing primo a red girl that when he cold approach after told me privately that he was too short that i am more of her type... Then he fucked her, had 3 somes and took to swingclub... But is ok if you don't want to seduce a red you don't have to, i probably only do it if is a girl i really want while gaming other women and disqualifying myself, which is what I did with my ex.... I am not here to sell anyone on gaming reds, i am explaining what they are, in the context of screening game and that is possible...

most famous example of a short man, girl not interested, red:

Regarding your wing Primo, the only time I've seen a red turned into a green Is WHEN she has the opportunity to see him over time like in Uni, work, social circle. In that case, yeah reds can definitely be turned into greens.

However from a pure cold approach perspective where everything happens on the initial approach from opening... yeah never seen that happen

 

[Skills]

Regarding your wing Primo, the only time I've seen a red turned into a green Is WHEN she has the opportunity to see him over time like in Uni, work, social circle. In that case, yeah reds can definitely be turned into greens.

However from a pure cold approach perspective where everything happens on the initial approach from opening... yeah never seen that happen

The primo sample was from cold approach at a club, my ex was from cold approach at club...