Socializing Deep dive into the reds, unreceptive not interested.....V-blog

[Skills]

I think the largest issue with the Light System is being missed here and it’s one of the most under-rated issues that no-one discusses in seduction:

‘The Light System’ assumes that the onlooker can accurately PREDICT the true amount of interest a woman has in a man.

I’ve seen this repeatedly with guys I know, students and people in the forums:
men have a TERRIBLY INACCURATE predictive ability to know and understand women who are interested in them (or not interested in them).

The amount of times a guy has said: Yeah, I ejected from that interaction because she wasn’t interested (a red)”

or

“She did (this) and (this thing 2) and then did (this thing 3) - so she wasn’t interested and I gave up/left”

There are so many experienced, moderately experienced or completely inexperienced guys alike who are CERTAIN they know:

•when and how a woman is interested them

•how much she’s interested in them and is showing clear signs

•What her signals means & don’t mean

Then I see the interactions of these same guys or they tell me the details and it turns out they are DELUSIONAL about their ability to read women’s signals/behaviour.

Every man and his dog in seduction (and many normies) think they are experts on reading women’s signals and body language - but are delusionally clueless (when you look closely).

The Light System of Interest needs to be thrown out completely and never spoken of again because of men’s general inability to accurately assess women’s interest.

The measure for women being interested or not is:

Is this woman giving me compliance (to my escalation)? (How much/How little? How can I get more compliance?)

Did the compliance/escalation lead to sex or a relationship?

I read about the light system 15 years ago, reading 60 yoc never had an issue... nobody sits there analyzing the girl light... Is just a teaching tool..it is also more for online snd screening game...i explain everything like a baby in the video... I have 2 other videos to make didn't want to do hours video...

 

[Teevster]

I think the largest issue with the Light System is being missed here and it’s one of the most under-rated issues that no-one discusses in seduction:

‘The Light System’ assumes that the onlooker can accurately PREDICT the true amount of interest a woman has in a man.

I’ve seen this repeatedly with guys I know, students and people in the forums:
men have a TERRIBLY INACCURATE predictive ability to know and understand women who are interested in them (or not interested in them).

The amount of times a guy has said: Yeah, I ejected from that interaction because she wasn’t interested (a red)”

or

“She did (this) and (this thing 2) and then did (this thing 3) - so she wasn’t interested and I gave up/left”

There are so many experienced, moderately experienced or completely inexperienced guys alike who are CERTAIN they know:

•when and how a woman is interested them

•how much she’s interested in them and is showing clear signs

•What her signals means & don’t mean

Then I see the interactions of these same guys or they tell me the details and it turns out they are DELUSIONAL about their ability to read women’s signals/behaviour.

Every man and his dog in seduction (and many normies) think they are experts on reading women’s signals and body language - but are delusionally clueless (when you look closely).

The Light System of Interest needs to be thrown out completely and never spoken of again because of men’s general inability to accurately assess women’s interest.

The measure for women being interested or not is:

Is this woman giving me compliance (to my escalation)? (How much/How little? How can I get more compliance?)

Did the compliance/escalation lead to sex or a relationship?

I promised myself not to be involved in any more discussions on the "trafic light system" (I think it is as boring as discussing inner vs outer game, or direct vs indirect game).

But I really liked this I couldn't have said it better.

-Teevster

 

[Skills]

Again i can say the amount of times i saw a dude spitting game and wasting time with an interaction that was not going anywhere and could not get hints... I could a spin that with the problem of not knowing the light system...

Again i am just re visiting the post cause some guys in the forum such as spike are doing screening...and my old videos don't have captions..

I personally don't use the light system or do screening in the last 10 years and was trolling the guys doing so calling them time machine seducers...

But i can't denied i seen in the environment some fñirting at times of coming back here and there...

 

[empath]

What about always assume attraction?

 

[Skills]

What about always assume attraction?

Is a good mindset but that has nothing to do with nothing... Screeners are more focused on efficiency and going for green dtf that are giving iois and compliance...

 

[James Cruse]

Again i can say the amount of times i saw a dude spitting game and wasting time with an interaction that was not going anywhere and could not get hints... I could a spin that with the problem of not knowing the light system...

Exactly, I’ve seen this same issue with guys wasting time with women or just not trying to seduce them. They’re treading water, essentially.

That’s why testing for compliance and/or escalation (which is itself a test of compliance) is still the answer and finding ways to increase the compliance and build on it.

‘The Light System’ would not be the answer at any point of the seduction because without knowing her level of compliance - he has no accurate way to understand or assess her genuine interest or her willingness to continue the seduction further.

Women can appear un-interested, difficult, unpleasant but they’re highly compliant (which means they’re available to have sex with and are actually cleverly hiding their interest).

Women can appear interested, pleasant, charming, responsive, happy to be there - but be completely uncompliant at every turn - so no seduction or sex can happen (until that compliance issue is resolved or not). This is the case where women are cleverly hiding their disinterest.

When a seducer is using ‘The Light System’ - he’s not looking at compliance (or lack of) and worse - he’s not trying to escalate or build more compliance or trying to diagnose why he’s not getting more compliance - he’s simply ejecting and moving on.

‘The Light System’ is too simplistic and reductive to be useful for seduction, unfortunately. It doesn’t help save time, effort or help diagnose (live or after the fact) what went wrong or right in the seduction.

It’s prescribing the woman’s interest (and compliance) is a magical unknown factor that we should accept unquestionably and move on and hope the next approach is a woman who is interested in us for a magical unknown reason (that we can’t know, measure or increase for it to lead to sex or a relationship).