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Tribal Elder
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By popular request, I've edited together the responses I made in this thread into a full blown post:


Below you’ll find not just one, but several tactics and techniques — direct and indirect — for both day and night game, along with how to transition from the opener and to Turn It Up To 11. Enjoy.

Don't Do—Be

The thread this post came out of was primarily about day game, but I snuck some night game in there too, cuz I like both. Moreover, I treat day game as merely ... life!

Opening chicks isn't something I go out to do. It's something I am, always. Thus I don't have the need to go out "to game" as it were, or the need to seek out some high-street to mass-approach all the women there until the place is utterly ruined for everyone else...

Instead I just go about my day, socializing, mingling, chatting with everyone (and I mean everyone), and then—when I'm invariably given an approach invitation from a hot girl—I'll just start chatting with her as well.

So, with this style, you're being social first. And, while you can be direct with this style, it's usually not something I start with unless I notice a vibe. And even then I might still play coy tbh.

Night Game

I used to be extremely direct during night game, either qualifying on being adventurous, or simply asking her straight (as my opener) "Would you like to go for an adventure?"

I call this The Adventure Opener, and it's highly dependent on your state. It goes something like this: See girl. Think "She's for me!" Then take her hand (and keep it), perhaps introduce yourself or perhaps not, or I might just compliment her energy or not ("Wow I just had to come over cuz your energy is just so great!", while giving her a mild yet intense gaze into her eyes while smiling). Then immediately either start qualifying her with "Are you adventurous?" or simply pop the question directly: "Would you like to go for an adventure?" Like, that's the very next thing I'd ask.

I think this is fairly direct. Or the intent is direct, though it's ofc not as direct as asking "Hey, wanna go to my place and fuck." Although that's certainly what's implied. And if she doesn't get that immediately, she will soon enough lol.

Fools Mate Warning

Fair warning: This is all "fools mate" game (cred: Mystery) for those of you who are ONS enjoyers. NGL it kind of destroyed me how few of these women ever wanted to see me again after lol. Moreover, this type of game is backed up by the ability to do extremely fast escalation. Once outside, if you hesitate in nailing her to the wall and making out with her, then you're done. You're also done if you make out for too long. And you're done if you make a big deal out of her not wanting to make out with you. Immediately stop if she doesn't want to, but if she stays there with you, she's game on to try again later; all she wanted was a bit more comfort, so she can trust that you're not a pervert, that's all.

At first I was really surprised by just how many women were actually up for going with me lol. The real challenge starts when you've made out with her outside, and you're now on the street, and she suddenly realizes "Oh shit, I guess I'm going home with this guy!" That's when you need to use all available tools on anti-LMR and ASD.

And speaking of that, I've actually had more success qualifying her as a naughty girl than with the traditional anti-LMR techniques. Oh, no! Instead, we're gonna amp up her sluttiness, and qualify everything she does that is bad as good. So go nuts, and ask her to call her friends and lie that she got tired and went home. And otherwise prize her for being a slutty girl, whenever she brings it up first.

If you manage to qualify her as a naughty girl, and more importantly a girl that is naughty with you, then she becomes that much easier to both take home and undress once you get there. Like, most PUA doodes seem to advise the pre-empting objections with "don't think we'll have sex just because you get to go home with me!" Meanwhile I've had a way easier time going "you're such a naughty girl.... I like it!"

It's with fast and direct game like that where you learn to read all the signs she's giving — the red lights, the oranges and the greens. But most of all, you learn how important compliance is over most other things. Cuz if you get early compliance, you'll quickly realize that you can also escalate a lot faster too. Which is probably the most important tool for this kind of ONS / "fools mate" game.

Day Game

These days, I mostly do social game or do day game, with "day game" taking up a solid second. (As I already said, it's not something I do, it's something I am.)

With that said, day game is a very different beast to night game imho. During day game I definitively favour indirect, going off IOIs or even approach invitations, i.e. she smiles at you when you look at her, and stuff like that.

Getting approach invitations is something that comes straight off your inner state. Smile to the world, and the world will smile back and bs like that...

This is mostly dependent on the venues I do day game in — often public transportation — and if you go super direct there, and she rejects you, and you then have to sit there like a dummy for 10 or more minutes, it can get awfully awkward lol...

Don Juan De Marco

Anyway. When I started doing this I'd make it a mission to see how many women you can get to give you IOIs or approach invitations simply by being friendly and smiley and winky wherever I went. These days that's not so important to me, but it is a tool I still use.

However, once the set is hooked, it can escalate quite quickly. These days I usually save it by getting the number, but back when I was more experimental, I got some pretty wild results by acting out my inner Don Juan...

That's when I'd experiment by throwing the worst, most overly romantic bs I could come up with, which is of course also super direct. Like perhaps lines directly from the movie Don Juan De Marco or similar (cred: the hopeless romantic and female connoisseur extraordinaire, Zan Perrion). Go watch it now!

I've tried lines directly from that movie multiple times and ... Man, if you get the delivery of that shit (just see and learn from Johnny Depp), then just watch their panties drop lolol! Women will just start giggling, and... Once there, you can even just start making out with her right then and there tbh.

I've made out with women in the strangest locations due to this stuff, like two minutes after meeting her, due to these things, usually around parks.

Turning It Up To 11

After the hook, you'll ask humdrum questions like "what do you do", and when she does you the favour back and asks what you do, that's when you can experiment with hitting her with movie lines such as "I please women........" As a joke, obviously. But a very good joke! Yes, guys, this is where you want to turn things to 11, cuz now you know you've got her. And you might as well have fun. With "fun" being the key word here. Or perhaps some cheeky fun lol. You gotta be in the head space where that feels good and natural. If you're the least bit nervous or worried here, then don't even bother unless you've decided prior to the set that you're gonna follow through no matter what (also a fair approach, but you might risk burning more of them to the ground like that).

Another good answer is "I'm an ... artist". Brief pause for drama. Wait for her face to light up or for her to giggle, then go in close, caress her hair, and say something truly dumb like "You're so beautiful, I'd like to paint you..." Then start making out with her.

This is all stuff I've done, btw. You've gotta be in a truly IDGAF attitude, and truly into the role you're playing (the super-direct romantic Don Juan). I can NOT guarantee that this will work for YOU, but it did work for me. And why it worked? Well, I think perhaps it has to do with the girl suddenly finding herself as the lead protagonist in one of those housewife porn stories she's read so many of.

I've never tried starting a day game interaction by being direct, though. Instead I turn the volume to 11 after the hook, or after she feels safe enough, but starts asking some questions back.

She's got friends? Lag behind them. Make out quickly, or certainly go for a quick kiss, and then wait for her to ask for your number, or for her to invite you along. You know you've got her once she's begging you to come along lol.

Some Pertinent Questions

Are you like "in on a joke" with them, where they know you're kind of putting it on and it eventually pops back to a sincere reality? Or are they more like "who even IS this guy" and get lost in the fantasy all the way to the bedroom?

How tf do I explain this... Yea, essentially you can walk her straight home from there if you've got great logistics and you're good at handling objections and bs.

These objections pop up when the interaction drags a bit and she suddenly becomes aware: “Oh shit, I guess I’m going home with this guy for sex!” (See above.)

You can still escalate very fast to a make-out during day game. That alone puts you on the map as “that mysterious hot guy” if you manage to contain yourself afterwards. Or her buying temperature is just high — which it will be if you make out with her and sex her up in a super confident way in places like that. She’ll basically start begging you to come with her lol.

And yes, she’ll be in on it. She’ll want it. It’s a wild fantasy for them to be seduced in these places. IMHO, a girl always wants to be seduced. So make her wish come true — in a seductive and attractive way, of course.

Divine Inspiration

Tho I'll just say this in advance, these days I'm way more chill and exclusively go for contact deets upon approach invitations, cuz I just can't be bothered most of the time unless I feel particularly inspired. But then getting approach invitations means that you're in a special, attractive headspace anyway, so we might discuss that further too.

You've gotta be in whole 'nother head-space to pull off the super-fast park make-outs, but just know that it is possible! And if you do pull that off (and I recommend trying this at least if you're young-ish), you'll instantly go into her books as one of the most amazing things she's ever experienced.

Women might fantasize of stuff like that, or perhaps read about it in dirty novels, but very few get to actually experience it. And the same goes for men lol. I've tried talking about this with regular guys, and it's just so foreign to most of them that they usually just laugh it off or hand-wave it away as pure fiction. But I figure we aren't regular men in here, so...

Be A Dog, Dawg

So, yeah, what's my state when pulling off these things? Why is it attractive?

Well, it's a bit hard to explain, but picture a dog strolling the streets, smelling trees, marking territory. Just content and maybe even a bit happy in his own world. Tongue out panting and everything.

It'll maybe look at you and go "!" before moving on. Or if it comes over to you, it'll pant and be a bit curious, without going all in. In other words, it'll still contain its own state and not be needy or creepy (unless threatened).

But sometimes they go "❤" and come over for a cuddle and a scratch behind the ear. It might sniff a bit, find out about you in a non-needy way. But it's also ready to play in an instant, cuz you're a dog, and dogs are playful! So yeah, like that, only take away the dog parts and be human.......... I mean, isn't it obvious?!?!?? (Uh best I could do, ok...)

In short, you don't have to be in this super "state" thing, but it helps if you're a bit curious, and that you don't give too much of a damn about what others think you're doing at any given moment. Hell, this is a good spot to visualize or kind of meditate.

Social Positioning

Until you see her... Enter Mystery Method (at least for a short time). He's a master of social positioning, and the stuff he writes about that is actually good. (Meanwhile most of the verbal routines just get you in your head tbh.) Here's what I found out works the best — straight outta MM! Go a little in front of the girl. Cock your head over your shoulder and open her like that. "O hi!" Then walk with her for a minute, and slow down as she hooks. Helps if you're already walking that way anyway.

The opposite is also true: Try to stop her from the front, or tap her shoulder from behind, and your chances of a successful open go drastically down. Thoroughly field tested. It can work, but it usually doesn't compared to the cock-over-shoulder way, pun intended.

Observations Are Your Friend

Then plough some observations. "I couldn't help notice your cool jacket, shoes, bags, pattern, colour, etc" — "omg what colour do you like best?" or even better "I bet your fav colour is red!" (A statement that doesn't even have to be true is like a mini cold read. Use them!)

If she already gave you an approach invitation (smiled to you, or acknowledged you), you can perhaps skip the over-the-hook and go directly into some more comfort-building commonalities. If you want, you can also go "direct" here with something like "I saw you from over there and just had to come over / I'd kick myself if I didn't come over" kind of thing, where you're a bit more forward and confident — cuz in the end you both know why you're there, right.

Anyway, so it's when she's already a bit invested and curious about you that I'll hit her with one of these romantic bs lines. She's already hooked, and I'm turning things to 11 for a while, before taking her back down. "What do you do?" "Who me? I... seduce women on the streets..." (Bite lips coyly and look deep into her eyes).

If it gets too intense you can always just laugh at your own joke, so to speak, and tell her "just kidding". Always have an out. But try not to use it. For science! Try to live in that uncomfortable moment, especially if it makes your dick hard at the same time. Or use it to escalate.

Seductive Hand-Holding

Btw. I assume that you're still holding her hand here, after the initial greet. This is important both during night and day game. And it goes something like this (Cred: 60): shake hands when you finally agree to present yourself to each other. But instead of letting her hand go right after — just loosen or soften the grip a bit — but keep holding onto her hand.

Often this will give you a ton of great intel about her interest level, how dtf she is. From this you get a much better picture of what's possible to do fast than if you try going off other signals.

  • Does she pull her hand away fast? Ah, she needs more comfort.
  • Does she keep holding onto your hand, or even cuddle you a bit? Put your business socks on cuz it's business time! (I.e. she's ready for escalation.)

This is how I gauge if she's ready for more, or if I should be more careful. In the beginning, not being able to handle that, or also being too intense, may lead to more rejections. But that's also how you learn to calibrate. (Until you get frustrated, in which case it's actually better to just stop, meditate a bit, and calm down. Perhaps go to a coffee shop and pipe down for a while, recharge a bit, and get ready for a new round.)

Mood Swings

These things are also to a large degree mood reliant. So, if you go out and try these things during a festival, you're gonna get wildly different results than if you do this like 8 O' clock in the morning during your commute...

Though, always try. Always flirt. Always ask: "Oh, want to show me the back office?" while hinting like mad if you sense something, in a joking way ofc lol. "You keep talking like that, wanna come with me behind those bushes?" (Assume she's hitting on you!) And here's a cheesy one that also works when said with a big smile while shopping: "I can pay with kisses!" In short always be a fun challenge for her. But here's the thing: Sometimes they actually take you up on these challenges lol. And if not, you'll both still get a giggle out of it.

If she does hook, I'll lock eyes with her, hypnotically, and — like — peer into her soul. Maybe bite my lip during, but keep talking normally. This deep, unflinching, yet friendly, look tends to turn women on wildly. Just from that alone, sexual tension will flow. And that's when you can also crack a playful joke, or say something dumb to her question back.

Her: "How about you, what do you do then?"
You: "I... I please women....." Create anticipation with a brief pause. Then watch her giggle, and you know you've got her.

State Warning

I feel I need to warn people from using this nilly willy, however. If you aren't in the right head-space (the right state as it were), and if you're the least bit needy — and not like a happy dog just roaming the streets merrily sniffing crotches — then this is just not gonna work for you. In fact, always be ready to throw a "Lol I was just joking!" or "No srsly I work as a garbage collector and rent a room from my brother". If you want to experiment with wild shit like this, make sure you always have a good out before trying it. Otherwise, have fun!

On that thought, though, I did a short experimental write-up in advanced, that might be worth looking at, that muses over meditation, visualisation and techniques to reach the state of bliss — that oh so elusive state where the universe itself will grant you a kind of attractiveness that you never thought you could ever have even in your wildest dreams.

 
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