Does age matter in dating ? Examples of "older" puas flourishing in the dating world

[Skills]

It's not even age gap it's that when you see the behaviour of 18 year olds acting like kids it's very off putting.

The feeling of how do you even relate to that or even if you went to relate to that.

Of course not all of them but some of them it just doesn't seem right from how immature they are.

agreed! which is why i don't understand the obsession with that age demo...... i don't even personally find them the "most desirable" .... But again everyone has their preference...

 

[D. Gately]

Genuine question - why do you keep posting on here if you disagree with / don't believe every single piece of advice ...why do you keep coming back?

Because he's desperate for attention and validation, which he's not getting in the real world.

Also, if you cannot achieve or even believe in the skills/lays the men here have posted - of any age - it's hard to align that with your existing worldview. He needs to update his priors but is currently incapable of doing so due to his self-limiting beliefs.

When I first read the OG asf forums, I didn't believe them at first either, I didn't argue online, but I felt they must *all* be using drugs/money to lay girls. I mean have you seen Ross Jeffries? It seemed inconceivable, esp because I was newly single [and well-paid] and struggling to get a date with a hot girl in NYC.
As I became more successful with average girls, I worked on my fundamentals and figured out what worked for me, stopped being reactive to their shit tests, and kept doing reps and kept trying until I found a formula for success. I quickly realized they were telling the truth all along.

As we all know, most guys don't want to work hard they just want that magic formula, blueprint, perfect pick-up lines that makes the panties drop without them having to self-improve.

 

[loeloe]

i did not say 38, i said in the 30s..... I avoid the subject, or change subject, usually they don't bring it up and if they do i say guess, and i calibrate or fuck around with the age they guess, but with me they don't bring it up usually...

You're right. This was from one of your earlier posts, "anywhere from 30-38 is prime"

Just figure this is appropriate since this topic is about age gap for older men, wondering what happens for men who are 40

 

[Skills]

You're right. This was from one of your earlier posts, "anywhere from 30-38 is prime"

Just figure this is appropriate since this topic is about age gap for older men, wondering what happens for men who are 40

brother 30 to 38 in the 30s i did not say 38, facepalm!

 

[loeloe]

What about for men 40?

 

[D. Gately]

They are actually APPROACHING these girls, focused on testing out the material I have them working on instead of worrying about whether she is too young and might not like them, and these early 20s girls are hooking and getting into them and sometimes hooking up with them.

I can tell you these early 20s girls are struggling to make a genuine connection with anybody these days, at least with guys.

My current one, we've been out 8x, banged every time after the first date. Everything's good, right? This week we meet out for drinks, dinner, back to the hotel, really hot sex, cuddled up afterwards.

She says, can I ask you what might be a strange question?
Of course, I say, thinking how strange can it be.

She asks, 'Do you actually like me?'
I was floored, and re-assured her that I did.

To be perfectly clear, I absolutely do not run any type of game preying on a woman's insecurities, because they have enough already and the pretty ones generally have more of them. I had told her I enjoyed spending time, not just sex, with her. And she's been asking me for life advice which I have gladly given as well.

So, in short, if you can make a connection with her -- you're golden. Age is irrelevant. Her beauty is irrelevant, this girl gets plenty of male attention at night.

 

[Skills]

What about for men 40?

i personally per post i linked on older men, had never had to put that much effort till post 47 but coincided during corona... your age is out of your control, you got a do what you got a do....

pick up is doing what you got a do, workarounds, solutions vs coping i mean again: age, height, race is out of everyones control... pick up is solutions and work around against problems in mating and dating...

 

[average_daygamer]

agreed! which is why i don't understand the obsession with that age demo...... i don't even personally find them the "most desirable" .... But again everyone has their preference...

That's not too clear from your posts at all though. It seems as though you dismiss any reason to not approach the girl if she appears young/immature as cope.

It's a question of approaching for challenge Vs approaching due to attraction.

Some of them from a combination of looks and behaviour seems uncomfortably young to approach. This is both in nightgame and daygame but for different reasons. Normally in nightgame it's if they start being really silly and annoying singing stupid songs with dramatic dancing/miming.

And don't get me started on this trend of having a little fluffy toy on a keychain dangling from their backpack.

That has stopped me from running after in daygame many times! Even though on first glance I assumed they were overaged but it certainly makes me second guess my judgement.

 

[Warped Mindless]

I think a lot of us know you'll pull young girls if you have a business empire to leverage, become a passportbro or target a niche of women who have a fetish for your archetype (in Don Gately's case it's the billionaire archetype). I don't pay attention to those guys as they live a completely different lifestyle I can't emulate. I more focused on the guys who wander the streets in a tshirt and cargo shorts cold approaching girls half their age. We used to do that when were young. Can we still get away with that now we are in our 40s?

I’m mid 30s and have zero trouble picking up 18+ women.

Im not a passport bro, I never wear suits anywhere at anytime if I can help it, and my only niche is “I’d fuck her!”

buuut, I don’t wear cargo shorts.

I dress stylish and “fuck boy” basically. For example, yesterday was slim fit black jeans, black boots, a slim fit dark grey shirt, and a black leather jacket. Sometimes replace the boots with plan white sneakers. Also a silver necklace.

Your wanting to “wear cargo shorts” tells me your fundamentals are likely shit and that you don’t want to improve them.

Want results? Put in the work.

 

[Skills]

That's not too clear from your posts at all though. It seems as though you dismiss any reason to not approach the girl if she appears young/immature as cope.

It's a question of approaching for challenge Vs approaching due to attraction.

I approach due to attraction vs challenge and have always had.... Brother is clear on my post, i mentioned 50 million times that my PREFERENCE is not that age demo... but if the pussy is there i will take it, but if i have two choose a hot girl 18 vs a hot girl 26 or over my preference is the older, does not mean i will not fuck the younger if she is down...A lot of guys in the community call me a retard and made fun of me... I explained all that here, what are you talking about:

Debunking the old women myth.....

I seen this weird thing were now after 24 a girl in the community is considered "old" and in the same level as "fat" girl aka NOT an hb, is like a new posturing shit....and i get it once when i was 24 i remember i used to troll my 27 year old doctor main, as an old fart...... I also had the same...

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Some of them from a combination of looks and behaviour seems uncomfortably young to approach. This is both in nightgame and daygame but for different reasons. Normally in nightgame it's if they start being really silly and annoying singing stupid songs with dramatic dancing/miming.

I actually like how they behave in night game, they tend to be more fun.... Vs older more boring, but again you need to go for what you want... approach older then, problem is they will not be out on clubs... you need to go to niche venues that attract older..

And don't get me started on this trend of having a little fluffy toy on a keychain dangling from their backpack.

That has stopped me from running after in daygame many times! Even though on first glance I assumed they were overaged but it certainly makes me second guess my judgement.

I have that dangling on my belt hoop, this is what i call cope, because who cares...

 

[Skills]

I’m mid 30s and have zero trouble picking up 18+ women.

Im not a passport bro, I never wear suits anywhere at anytime if I can help it, and my only niche is “I’d fuck her!”

buuut, I don’t wear cargo shorts.

I dress stylish and “fuck boy” basically. For example, yesterday was slim fit black jeans, black boots, a slim fit dark grey shirt, and a black leather jacket. Sometimes replace the boots with plan white sneakers. Also a silver necklace.

Your wanting to “wear cargo shorts” tells me your fundamentals are likely shit and that you don’t want to improve them.

Want results? Put in the work.

just lol at cargo shorts, facepalm! That is the old man uniform cargo shorts with sandals and the polo shirt= death sentence....

 

[KnownUniverse]

I’m mid 30s and have zero trouble picking up 18+ women.

Im not a passport bro, I never wear suits anywhere at anytime if I can help it, and my only niche is “I’d fuck her!”

buuut, I don’t wear cargo shorts.

I dress stylish and “fuck boy” basically. For example, yesterday was slim fit black jeans, black boots, a slim fit dark grey shirt, and a black leather jacket. Sometimes replace the boots with plan white sneakers. Also a silver necklace.

Your wanting to “wear cargo shorts” tells me your fundamentals are likely shit and that you don’t want to improve them.

Want results? Put in the work.

in your 20s you can wear basically anything and pull young girls. You’re saying you can’t get away with that when you’re older. So being mid 30s has a disadvantage. You have to compensate with good fashion?

I'd rather not have to wear tight fitting clothes and look like a poser. It just adds more resistance to my motivation to go out. Ideally, I want to wear casual comfortable clothing and rely 100% on game. If that's possible.

From my experience, it's possible but its very hard (as an older man). And the numbers are very flakey so you have to go for same day lays. I'm guessing it's because if you give her time to think about it overnight or longer she will talk herself out of it and not meet up. You've gotta go for the lay while the buying temp is high.

 

[loeloe]

in your 20s you can wear basically anything and pull young girls. You’re saying you can’t get away with that when you’re older. So being mid 30s has a disadvantage. You have to compensate with good fashion?

I'd rather not have to wear tight fitting clothes and look like a poser. It just adds more resistance to my motivation to go out. Ideally, I want to wear casual comfortable clothing and rely 100% on game. If that's possible.

Early-mid 20s 'dressing your age' can include not really putting much effort.

You're more or less gauged on you're potential

It makes more sense that as we get older, we actually do need to embody some merit of success, which is why clothing is very important

I think I get what you're trying to say tho, you're implying that we're trying to mitigate the loss of our sexual value as we age, by having better game, more status, more success, the threshold is higher in a manner that we're trying to 'compensate' for our age.

The fact that some skilled seducers seem to hide or deflect their age until later signals that significantly older age is a negative factor in attracting younger woman. If it was positive, we wouldn't need roundabout methods.

I'm 34 btw, and average age of women I attract is early to mid 20s. I do look younger for my age, women gauge me mid 20s usually, late 20s at most.

I may make my own thread in the future to inquire a man's sexual attraction once he hits 40, bc it seems that younger woman is still possible, but not the default choice of attraction.

 

[HeartOfChaos]

i did not say 38, i said in the 30s..... I avoid the subject, or change subject, usually they don't bring it up and if they do i say guess, and i calibrate or fuck around with the age they guess, but with me they don't bring it up usually...

Why do they usually not bring it up with you?

 

[KnownUniverse]

I think I get what you're trying to say tho, you're implying that we're trying to mitigate the loss of our sexual value as we age, by having better game, more status, more success, the threshold is higher in a manner that we're trying to 'compensate' for our age.

That's what I've been saying. Your game needs to improve with age to compensate for a drop in SMV. That's what I've experienced.

The fact that some skilled seducers seem to hide or deflect their age until later signals that significantly older age is a negative factor in attracting younger woman. If it was positive, we wouldn't need roundabout methods.

It's a logical hurdle. She might still find you attractive despite being much older than her but it only takes one mental objection for her to put up a wall. I think that's where the issue comes in. Especially in conformist societies.

 

[HeartOfChaos]

And don't get me started on this trend of having a little fluffy toy on a keychain dangling from their backpack.

I see women significantly older than 18 do this. My ex did this and she is 28. I saw women in their 30s do it in London...

 

[loeloe]

That's what I've been saying. Your game needs to improve with age to compensate for a drop in SMV. That's what I've experienced.


It's a logical hurdle. She might still find you attractive despite being much older than her but it only takes one mental objection for her to put up a wall. I think that's where the issue comes in. Especially in conformist societies.

My opinion differs here. I think once we are in our 30s, we are EXPECTED to show our worth to a certain point, it's not that we are COMPENSATING, but we do need to show some measure or signs of 'I made it'.

As far as mental objections go, unless it's truly a NO for her, most women usually worry whether her *stats measure up to you, and that goes with height, age and other things.

But I do think age matters, people like to measure 'EXTREME' gaps with 18 women and 60+ yo men to analogize. But of course... no sh*t.

What about for men late 30s, or 40, people suddenly become quiet or speak of extreme pessimism or optimism.

I would really appreciate some honest answers, whether it's positive or negative

In my late 20s I attracted girls ages for undergrad, but the majority of women I attracted really were between 25-28.

Then in my early 30s, I attracted girls from undergrad to late 20s, and even early 30s, but the majority of women I attracted were probably 26-28. This however, is when I was at my fattest, and then my fat ass couldn't fit into any of my stylish clothes, hurt my confidence, and my other fundies were out of touch.

Now I'm 34, and I'm starting to notice again 21-32+. Maybe the range is wider, but really it's probably with women 22 or 23-late 20s and early 30s.

Is there anyone here who remembers what it was like for them late 30s, and early 40s?

Main point - Late 20s I attracted most younger girls, but my physical features were also at its best, so unsure how I'd compare if I stayed fit.

*Edit I'm gonna have to edit some of what I said bc it sounds horribly wrong out of context and I was being too nice to myself with the age range I'd attract. Short story, attraction with younger girls was highest in late 20s. My stats then were 12-14% body fat, and I wore really stylish and expensive clothing, dressed like fuckboy.

 

[Ratata]

Sexual value: As you get older, you show that you have the ability to survive despite your age. That's sexual value in a bottle.
Unless you're no-longer able to take care of yourself, this gives you more survival value. Survival value = sexual value = care-taking value = value to women. Think about it. I'm sure you agree.
Clothes. Mere tokens. Can you decide other people's reality? More important. Then clothes stop mattering (as much). Showing social awareness is still important tho. Enter peacock theory. Owen Cook's golden bubble jacket, anyone? It's peacocking, pure and simple.
James Bond tries to dress more smooth and suave than anyone else: Shows social awareness, and value. Owen Cook putting on that garish golden jacket: Peacocking. Women see that while James Bond has great style, and that he wears it with confidence, they know that Owen Cook needs to have balls the size of Idaho to wear a garish jacket like that. I'm not a Cook fan over anyone else, him and James Bond are just useful examples to drive the argument home.
I've been out-gamed by older guys not even present in my 20's. The value you get from women when you're an older guy is ... I know of few things like it. Peeps think it's easy to out-game the old guys. Young'uns don't even know they lost before they even laid eyes on her. And we haven't even started on daddy issues...

 

[KnownUniverse]

As far as mental objections go, unless it's truly a NO for her, most women usually worry whether her standards measure up to you, and that goes with height, age and other things.

What do you mean by "whether her standards measure up to you"?

 

[D. Gately]

It makes more sense that as we get older, we actually do need to embody some merit of success, which is why clothing is very important


The fact that some skilled seducers seem to hide or deflect their age until later signals that significantly older age is a negative factor in attracting younger woman. If it was positive, we wouldn't need roundabout methods.

Wearing nice clothing is a sign of respect for the girl who's coming on a date with you, because for sure she put hours planning and dressing, hair & makeup, even if you didn't notice.
It's a form of visual communication that can signal, class, intelligence, power, and personality. Restaurant/airline/casino staff will also treat you better than others.
Finally, for many people it helps with their confidence and self-esteem when going on a date.

I don't think being older is a negative at all, it's clearly a positive if you're in shape and make the effort, have your fundamentals down. I don't have any roundabout methods, I'm 50+, she's 20, she knows I'm at least 2x her age, there's no hiding it, I don't try, I don't dye my salt n' pepper hair, I don't pretend to be 35 or 40 or 44 [which is still 24 years older].

I have a decade+ of results with hot college & grad school girls that prove this out. Not one of them have ever given a flying fuck that I've been 2x their age. With the vast majority the age issue has never come up even once. For online game, I just match up with the girls with older preference or no filters, in any big city there are 10s and 10s of thousands of them and just screen for what you like. I won't waste my time on a girl who says she has no interest in anyone over 23, isn’t open to finding out different.

Young women are in a ‘sexual recession’ according to the latest research. Almost a quarter of people aged 18-29, or 24%, said they had not had sex in the past year; this is twice as many as in 2010. Plus, they all watch porn and use toys these days, in fact some have told me about their favorite female porn stars. Guys in their age cohort are simply not doing it for them. So who do they start looking at? Older guys who [presumably] know how to fuck them good. That's the truth.