FR Food Court Frame Battle [I Win]

[foggy]

I’m walking in the food court at the mall when I spot this super good looking blonde sitting by herself at one of the tables. She’s working on her computer and the table is right next to this railing which separates the walkway im in from the seating area.

I walk by her, she looks up from her work and we make eye contact. As soon as our eyes meet I decide I’m gonna stop and open. She’s receptive to my energy, but feisty to my verbals:

FOG: hey, I have something important to tell you.
HB: what is it?
FOG: this will make sense in a minute. you have plans for who you wanna be right?
HB: doesnt everyone?
FOG: you’d be surprised, some people just want to live in the moment and go with the flow
HB: theres nothing wrong with either
FOG: youre right they are both good ways to live. But im curious about you, do you have plans for who you wanna be or are you the kinda person to live in the moment?
HB: live in the moment
FOG: yeah, do you know whats interesting about living in the moment?
HB: what?
FOG: its like as pay attention to the current moment….you focus on the details, tuning out all the other distractions…until you reach this point where youre in your own world….hours pass and you don’t even notice time go by…I love it.
HB: [stimulated]
FOG: I have found that people who are concerned about who they’re gonna be easily fall into societys pressures of who to be
HB: [thinking] yeah like society’s norms….

What happened between us here initially is that we got into a frame battle.

The frame battle occurred because she interpreted my opener as if I was screening to qualify… in reality, the plan was to screen to stimulate. Because she interpreted it like this, she asked me a question back, “doesn’t everyone?” This is a common response from higher quality girls when I open by asking if they have plans for who they wanna be, so I was prepared with an answer that widens the frame.

When I handled that bit, she started to get a tad defensive after by saying there’s nothing wrong with these ways of living. In the past I might have said something defensive back like, “I never said there wasn’t”, but from experience I know this never works. Instead, I chose to agree with her here to minimize her defensiveness.

Then I moved back to the screen, and she was compliant enough to provide me with an answer I could stimulate her on. She says she likes to live in the moment, so I bring up an interesting perspective on this [borrowed from this Bacchus LR]. It does the job and stimulates her.

After the frame battle and stimulation, we get into some talk about how its better to be who you wanna be, rather than who society wants you to be. I go on to set a vague variation of the sexual frame that is seen here. We discuss my friend who grew up in a religious household. She's currently hesitant to take the next step with a new guy she's seeing because she’s worried she’s gonna feel shame, due to her strict upbringing. I cap it off by saying it's better to march to the beat of your own drum. HB agrees with all this.

Then I start eliciting HB on some of her values. She likes to help others. The vibe is really good between us so shortly after I close, but she explains she can’t meet me again because she has a boyfriend. Didn’t bother persisting or reframing here, was still working on my closing process at the time.

cc: @Sully

 

[Swati]

frame battle or food battle. LOL!!!!!

 

[Fuck This]

Fog, time for less talk and more action...Get out of the analysis paralysis and push for a date rather than transcribe your conversations.

You need to listen more and talk less... and invoke action with your words...

 

[foggy]

frame battle or food battle. LOL!!!!!

lol madala

Fog, time for less talk and more action...

last month i daygamed for 30 days straight.

this field report was from day 11, and i continued to push myself for the rest of the month.

Get out of the analysis paralysis and push for a date rather than transcribe your conversations.

the best seducers i know do both

You need to listen more and talk less... and invoke action with your words...

i can get down with this..... in certain instances

 

[Fuck This]

last month i daygamed for 30 days straight.

Am I supposed to be impressed by this? you've been doing this a while...when do you think you will have some results like a date come out of all this?

We joined days apart....From 2016-2018 I DATED not gamed. That led to an LTR by my choice.

What have you done in this time? Dial down the philosophical BS and get a woman's phone number and Fuck her....

 

[foggy]

Am I supposed to be impressed by this?

you said: "less talk more action. stop making field reports and focus on pushing your skills infield."

i said: "i just spent 30 days infield pushing myself and now i am debriefing challenging sets and making the field reports so i can continue on the path to mastery"

 

[Lofty]

Am I supposed to be impressed by this? you've been doing this a while...when do you think you will have some results like a date come out of all this?

We joined days apart....From 2016-2018 I DATED not gamed. That led to an LTR by my choice.

What have you done in this time? Dial down the philosophical BS and get a woman's phone number and Fuck her....

This argument is like a sponge… mushy and full of gaping holes.

Hmm, I just happened to do a quick search, and it turns out that @fog has written almost four times as many LRs as you.

So, @Fuck This, what the fuck are you talking about? Regardless if those constitute the lays between you two (hopefully not for your sake, plus I know there are some lays that fog hasn’t posted in this section), you have zero basis to criticize the development and accomplishments of a major contributor to the forum who consistently innovates in the field.

In the time that @fog has been on the forum, he has went from a virgin to one of the most respected members on the boards.

He’s had crossgaming results from all forms of game, developed advanced textgame, and is a massive asset to the community. @fog has real skill and loves to help other seducers grow.

That’s what he’s done in this time. His journey epitomizes the spirit of the community.

A cool thing is that he’s documented his progress in detail in his journal - too many words for you to read?

We joined days apart....From 2016-2018 I DATED not gamed. That led to an LTR by my choice.

Oooooo, you “DATED not gamed.” So much cooler than the rest of us PUAs here who practice and discuss strategies for ONS, FBs, and LTRs… which, of course, is all part of game.

Are we supposed to be as impressed by your pathetically unfounded criticism of @fog as we were supposed to be by the last “lay report” you wrote here, in which you claimed a LR by fucking your LTR?

You know, it’s funny how the last report you wrote was moved out of the FR section entirely, but here you are spewing out bullshit about someone who understands seduction far more than you do.

You’ve now completely embarrassed yourself once again.

You’re still just a supercilious, jaundiced, indiscriminate dickhead who doesn’t get it.

@Fuck This.

Fuck off.

 

[Fuck This]

@Lofty

I will very gladly Fuck off knowing I can implement m,y social skills better than all you overly analytical Aspie's that are stuck in a self perpetuating loop of analysis paralysis. Enjoy your porn addictions and crippling anxiety.

 

[Rakehell]

@Fuck This That’s the difference we do it to get better and to educate, you do it for validation. What grown man has to get on a blog and type out every time he has sex with somebody.

weirdo

 

[Fuck This]

Lofty and Fog, the two of you write like its an 8th grade creative writing assignment. Everytime i read either of your reports i imagine this as the way the interaction looked to others....

Y'all know I'm as Right as his ^ Jerk hand...

 

[Skills]

Guys chill, if you don't like the way some posters write or their post, put them on ignore or simply move to a different post.... i call it the ignore method. Simple field test it guys....

 

[Lofty]

@Lofty

I will very gladly Fuck off knowing I can implement m,y social skills better than all you overly analytical Aspie's that are stuck in a self perpetuating loop of analysis paralysis. Enjoy your porn addictions and crippling anxiety.

You haven't exactly done yourself any favors on proving your social skills... plus that latter part makes little sense.

You certainly can't be speaking to me with where I've worked myself to, and in fact, @fog has inspired various members to quit porn/reduce masturbation because he's been 100% porn free and leading that charge on here for a long time now. He's someone who genuinely loves to be a positive force on the boards and help others.

Lofty and Fog, the two of you write like its an 8th grade creative writing assignment. Everytime i read either of your reports i imagine this as the way the interaction looked to others....

Happy to see I've been living rent-free in your mind. You must be feeling especially insecure after you said you would gladly fuck off, yet here we are

It's too bad that I almost missed this post because you didn't tag me despite ostensibly speaking directly to me. How interesting. Though this will be my last time speaking to you, unless you actually change course with your behavior and style of forum participation.

@Fuck This, not going to lie, I'm very disappointed in the quality of your rebuttals. Guess I shouldn't be surprised, though, considering how you've shown yourself so far.

Let's put it this way.

You’re not even a seducer, not a PUA, and I've seen little basis for you to speak on the things you have.

By your own admission, you don’t even approach or haven't in essentially your entire history as a poster, which again, is quite fascinating considering you blabbered about how much more you've done than @fog since joining. It appears that your success in seduction is quite slim (far, far less than his), and you have nothing to support otherwise - not the level of your writing nor your lay report which isn't a lay report. In fact, you made no effort to support your aimless claims after they were completely invalidated in my prior posts... instead you just embarrassed yourself further. What does that say about you?

If you think that our report writing is like "an 8th grade creative writing assignment," then there is a louder whooshing sound flying over your head than the sound that occurred when I spun you silly in the last thread. As that's the way you feel, I'd have loved to see you address our reports from a technical perspective, but then again, you have displayed zero comprehension of seduction concepts. It's funny that you never commented on any of my lay reports despite how strongly you feel about this - you just chose to pick on @fog and @SunKing. Where were you then because obviously you're quite aware of me?

While I just know you as the petulant KJ who I continue to see dedicated students of seduction dealing with in their replies... you DISCOURAGE them from learning and analyzing game when the title of the forum is SKILLED SEDUCER. Hmmm, so now let's see about you:

• You were married in 2015, which was a 19 year marriage at that point
• Your marriage ended
• You became a Blackdragon fanboy - I do hope you received better results than him (absolutely nothing against her, only his attitude passing himself off how he does, which was apparently much worse in the nextasf years before my time)
• Despite all that talk of the Blackdragon theories, now you boast about having "DATED not gamed" from 2016-2018 before you entered another LTR and haven't seemed to done much in-field since - interesting considering your claims about @fog. And congrats on your LTR if you and her are happy with it - nothing against that... it's your comments and the context of it

It makes me question what your purpose is here? You're not in-field, you're not offering constructive, valuable, or positive feedback (which not saying you can't give good info about something, maybe lots of things, but it seems like you should be careful talking about cold approach), and you repeatedly act against the mission of the forum despite your supposed seniority. You demonstrate little but bitterness and low-resolution perspectives.

Look, the best you can offer is to tell someone with the experience and skill of @fog to "get a woman's phone number and Fuck her"?

That is a completely unhelpful comment to someone with a history of daygaming and advanced textgame. He even wrote in the OP why he didn't persist on this instance. You contributed very little. Rather, you unnecessarily tried to make it all about you and your ego. How can you not see how out of place it is to ask what fog has accomplished compared to you? And you try to brag about "not gaming" on a seduction forum? Really?

Your fantastical sexual experience is a mom making you a sandwich while the kids aren’t home. You appear to have little scope of understanding of what is actually accomplished by the people here who actually put in real effort to building real skill, such as the person who you attempted (but failed) to diminish.

You ask if you're supposed to be impressed by fog? You ask when he "will have some results like a date" when he records far more success than that... you claimed to know about @fog but you actually don't know shit about him, and what you say about yourself/your posts are simply not impressive at all to boot.

If you give his stuff a closer read, I bet you'll pick up on some of his very interesting insights and innovations. And I'm sure you can consistently contribute with positivity and high-quality inputs on certain things, too, based on your life experiences.

I greatly encourage you to revaluate your approach to this forum, and I hope to see you return some day with a refreshed outlook.

 

[Alpha13SC]

@Lofty be like: "So you have chosen ... Death"

 

[Fuck This]

Lofty, you should tryout for this show...it'll make ya famous....

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[foggy]

man you should really just shut the fuck up. This was months ago now.

btw I'm the one on the spectrum here. not lofty. so you can leave him alone.