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kristian

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Sub-Zero, I think its better to introduce myself. Also for the guys that are reading this so you all can get an understanding about my seduction journey.

I spent almost all my 20s with only one woman. The first I had sex with, which is normal for many guys.
At 27 I woke up and wanted to know "what else is there". Leaving that girl was the hardest decision I've ever made because I did not know if it even was possible to live the life I envisioned while we were together. Now I've slept with over 20 women, had 3 shorter but serious relationships and many dates and sexual encounters.

While in my last relationship, 2 years ago, I decided to really get serious about seduction. I broke up with that girl (after realizing again I wanted to get this down) cut out online dating entirely and started to just do street cold approach - which in my mind is the hardest way to meet girls at.

Believe me, the first 200 - 300 approaches were hard as fuck. Many rejections, but I managed to get a couple of friends who also wanted to learn this, so we mass approached a lot.

After almost a year I decided to game by myself. I've had over 1000 approaches now, which is not uncommon for guys. Many need a couple of thousand approaches to understand patterns enough to get good at this.

I am able to "see the game" now, everything is kind of slowing down. I believe I am about halfway to where I want to go.

My main goal? To be able to seduce cute girls anywhere at almost any time, and be so good at it that I can do it almost every time I decide to.

Seduction has also taught me many lessons about life; like being more empathetic (since I have narcissistic tendencies), open minded, more loving towards other people and a lot more comfortable in my own skin.

About my age: In a way it is easier to get girls interested, I believe. You're older, often more mature and you got many aspects down by now.
Girls do, however, expect a little bit more from you - so there's a learning curve there.

But I look 25 -26 and when asked about my age I just own being 31 so girls don't care, and some are 11, 12 or 13 years younger. I used to be self-conscious about my age, until I had a short affair with a cougar, and that made me understand that attraction is attraction no matter the circumstances.

Other than that, I am enjoying every moment of this journey. A lot of the guys that started this with me have left the game by now, so I am among a few guys who is really dedicated to getting all aspects down.
 

kristian

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So the game is slowing down now. I am able to detect girls that are interested and since I do not shy away from approaching I often just act.

In many ways, girls are more open to be approached by night-time - if you have your fundamentals down enough and you are able to recognize their interest in you, of course.

I've been experimenting a little lately - like going out with "shabby" clothes, just to see of girls still are interested.

And I've found out that they often like me even better. I believe it has something to do with my body language, voice tonality so they might ask themselves - "who is this guy with those clothes that is so comfortable in his own skin?". I think it might be that - but need more data to conclude.

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I spot this girl looking at me as I was at the bar ordering a drink. I knew she was interested. As I enter the bathroom, I see her smiling at me. I go out again but then she is with a guy.

She goes outside and as I follow her a couple of minutes later, I see her spotting me.

Quick note: I used to be oblivious about those small details a couple of months ago. Now it's all clear.

When I introduce myself, she answers with a high pitched voice. A clear sign she was expecting me to do something and nervous talking to me.
It turns out her friend is her gay friend so I win him over and quickly start deep diving her. I ask her if she is single and she says she just entered the relationship. We talked about her guy and I graciuously left the conversation.

Later I spot her looking at me. Still nervous....

I guess I have a much bigger impact on girls now, even when taken.

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I am learning at a very fast pace now. Good, I need to!
 

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Good stuff man, I just feel so old tho. Then there's this site where I read about stuff and dudes on there are so defeatist, talking about how younger women don't want older men and yadayada. Really down stuff and it makes me feel bad. But your story inspires me, good shit!


kristian said:
Sub-Zero, I think its better to introduce myself. Also for the guys that are reading this so you all can get an understanding about my seduction journey.

I spent almost all my 20s with only one woman. The first I had sex with, which is normal for many guys.
At 27 I woke up and wanted to know "what else is there". Leaving that girl was the hardest decision I've ever made because I did not know if it even was possible to live the life I envisioned while we were together. Now I've slept with over 20 women, had 3 shorter but serious relationships and many dates and sexual encounters.

While in my last relationship, 2 years ago, I decided to really get serious about seduction. I broke up with that girl (after realizing again I wanted to get this down) cut out online dating entirely and started to just do street cold approach - which in my mind is the hardest way to meet girls at.

Believe me, the first 200 - 300 approaches were hard as fuck. Many rejections, but I managed to get a couple of friends who also wanted to learn this, so we mass approached a lot.

After almost a year I decided to game by myself. I've had over 1000 approaches now, which is not uncommon for guys. Many need a couple of thousand approaches to understand patterns enough to get good at this.

I am able to "see the game" now, everything is kind of slowing down. I believe I am about halfway to where I want to go.

My main goal? To be able to seduce cute girls anywhere at almost any time, and be so good at it that I can do it almost every time I decide to.

Seduction has also taught me many lessons about life; like being more empathetic (since I have narcissistic tendencies), open minded, more loving towards other people and a lot more comfortable in my own skin.

About my age: In a way it is easier to get girls interested, I believe. You're older, often more mature and you got many aspects down by now.
Girls do, however, expect a little bit more from you - so there's a learning curve there.

But I look 25 -26 and when asked about my age I just own being 31 so girls don't care, and some are 11, 12 or 13 years younger. I used to be self-conscious about my age, until I had a short affair with a cougar, and that made me understand that attraction is attraction no matter the circumstances.

Other than that, I am enjoying every moment of this journey. A lot of the guys that started this with me have left the game by now, so I am among a few guys who is really dedicated to getting all aspects down.
 

kristian

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As I've been setting up logistics with Miss T this week I uncovered one main weakness; I get sometimes nervous and angsty when it comes to girls I really find cute. Miss T is in my mind as one of those and as the days between our agreement and the actual meeting was coming up, my anxiety increased.

This was bothering me because I've was looking at my happiness through her reactions towards me, giving her power over my mind - and heart.
But we met and had a lot of sex and I realized that me putting her on a pedestal is an illusion. I am much more relaxed now, but who knows how I feel about her next week?

So the cutest girls make me nervous, and girls that used to be cute a couple of months ago aren't that cute anymore. Interesting how my tastes change as I continue this journey. I wonder why.

Other than that, I still get signals from girls but unlike before, I do not let that dictate my value. If I go somewhere and a girl likes me, cool! If she acts cold or no girls signal me, that's fine as well. Sometimes things are out of your control and you can't get the things you wanted in an outing, and that a part of the game as well.

It's also funny how I tend to have fun with women's emotions. Some reactions are pretty strong; from almost head over heels in love to cold and bitchy. I did not get those at all before so I am doing something right for girls to give me those reactions. I am also much more able to see patterns, like when I say something and the micro expressions they show. Girls are getting increasingly easier to read - to a point that some can't hide anymore. And that's fun.

Hopefully, I have a little something going on with three girls on rotation, but that doesn't make me any lazier. I approach as always and try to push forward no matter what.
 

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kristian said:
I've been experimenting a little lately - like going out with "shabby" clothes, just to see of girls still are interested.

And I've found out that they often like me even better. I believe it has something to do with my body language, voice tonality so they might ask themselves - "who is this guy with those clothes that is so comfortable in his own skin?". I think it might be that - but need more data to conclude.

You are definitely more attainable wearing shabby clothes.

kristian said:
girls that used to be cute a couple of months ago aren't that cute anymore. Interesting how my tastes change as I continue this journey. I wonder why.

Your value has increased.
 

kristian

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Allow me to be honest. The main reason I started working so hard to become that guy was Miss Js rejection of me. I wanted to show the "big mistake" she did so I worked on becoming the guy I am turning myself into. When I meet her, she will see improvements in every area.

Does it still motivate me? It does, because every time I see her female friends (on events or meetings) I charm their socks off. I know she hears about it later.

Another thing that makes me want to work harder are other guys, the ones that are better than me. I want to surpass them, not in lay numbers, but more on fundamentals and game. But this is, however, more inspiring than dark. Talented guys work more as a scale to know where I am at and what I can learn from them.

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A cool conversation with Miss T last night:

Me: I have to tell you something (long pause).
Me: I really like you and I hope you don't get disappointed when I say that I am in a stage of my life where I am sharing my love.

I thought it was going to scare her off but instead, she kissed me even more passionately. We made love after me telling her this.

Miss A came over today but wasn't down for sex (because of her period). And that's okay, the thing is that I don't need sex in order to feel good about myself. But I was, however sexual with her.

It's fun though, three girls at the same time!

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I approach so much these days (1-7 approaches) that I forget the ones I make an impact on. Remember this girl?

I spot this girl looking at me as I was at the bar ordering a drink. I knew she was interested. As I enter the bathroom, I see her smiling at me. I go out again but then she is with a guy.

She goes outside and as I follow her a couple of minutes later, I see her spotting me.

Quick note: I used to be oblivious about those small details a couple of months ago. Now it's all clear.

When I introduce myself, she answers with a high pitched voice. A clear sign she was expecting me to do something and nervous talking to me.
It turns out her friend is her gay friend so I win him over and quickly start deep diving her. I ask her if she is single and she says she just entered the relationship. We talked about her guy and I graciously left the conversation.

Later I spot her looking at me. Still nervous....

Well, it turns out she was checking me out at a restaurant today. I thought she was a new girl and introduced myself as I never seen her before later to realize this is the exact same woman! Haha, no wonder she was very glad but also a little confused!

So remember the girls you talk to a little better, Kristian.
 

kristian

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One quick thought; How eager should I be in moving forward with girls?

I show high interest in person and are as genuine about my intentions as I can be. But when I follow up on text I do however, put a lot emphasis on emoticons and saying "cute" things in order to be even more attainable (and it works with some types of girls).

But I think I could turn that down a notch or two with girls that already "get it".

Re-engaging, how soon?

If a girl doesn't bite when I invite her right away (like time constraints) or can't make it that date, or isnt as eager (or rescheduling when she cant) how much should I re-engage, and should I re-engage right away.

What I believe is the solution is to simply "forget her" for a while and then run into her or see if her interest is still there after a re-engaging text. But I still don't know. So more data needed.

On taking too long to respond

Another thing; even when I am cute, attainable and genuine I sometimes lose girls because I become lazy and take my time responding (like days). It's good to be so pre-selected that I am a little hard to get (because I forget certain girls in the midst of it all, with dating several women and living my life), but at the same time, forgetting to reply for too long might make girls auto-reject.

Value and attainability - that's a fine line and that line is a little different from girl to girl. To be explored!
 

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Several girls and time management. That's one thing because all I want to do is hang out with them. And when I do set up several dates in advance, I see how fast my schedule gets filled up. New, paradigm give me new problems, I guess.

And then they flake or reschedule or "forget" to answer my messages, that's another thing. Maybe they want to test me? I am happy I do have options because I don't seem to care as much. One quick question: I'm I calm because I have options or do I have options because I am calm?

They both go hand in hand I guess.

Me not giving a fuck

So I re-meet this girl I was flirting with last Friday. Stop her on the streets and start talking about our last meeting.

Me: I really find you cute. Are you single?
Her: I am not dating right now. And I am not searching for anything either.
Me: So you can't even hook up and flirt around?
Her: I just don't want to get sexually involved right now.
Me: Well, it was nice meeting you then. Have a nice day. (walk away)

She was startled with my forwardness and how fast I moved on. I really have no time to chase or pretend anymore. Is that beneficial? I still don't know...
The good thing is that I don't mind the rejections. I pass her by once again on my way back and see her talking to my friend, I say hi to him totally ignoring her, not because I was hurt, but because I was in a hurry and got my answers. I don't think she meets guys like me that often.

Another girl I was flirting with on Instagram tells me she is flattered at my forwardness (I met her in person as well and told her my intentions) but is involved with another guy and don't want to confuse things. That's fine for me. I answer this way:

Me: I see....
Well if things don't work out with your man and you want to hook up and flirt just contact me.
I have no problem being the super-sub. (smiley)
Her: Well, thank you ;). I will remember that.

The crazy thing is that it works too. I am currently meeting another girl this way (she re-initiated contact when things didn't work out with her man).

Back to the basics


I think I will be re-approaching this game like I always do when I level up; back to the basics, the fundamentals.

Things like pre-open, stating intent, deep diving, and sexual tension are important. I know I do them naturally, but also know that when I start from scratch again they tend to be even better. So back to the lab and practicing. Can't wait to level up!
 

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I am so tired, but feel like I need to write down today's lessons.

First things first, there are some girls that seem to ignore me, as I approach. Its almost like they see that I am turned on, and might not be looking to date or meet someone - so they shut me down before I can deliver my compliment or say hi. Interesting.

Time to start acting fast

And as I am becoming more attuned with finding out signals, I see the nuances everywhere. Girls send signals and are sometimes very obvious, but we aren't trained to see them or see them in a neutral way. It sometimes happens so fast I can't even react.

*Like the girl on the bus stop that looked my way as I was in my own world. When I realized she was flirting it was a little late. She sat a couple of rows in front of me on the bus, surrounded by passengers so it felt a little awkward to start a conversation.

*Or the girl that smiled at me as I left the store on the lunch break.

*On my way back home, another girl send me a strong signal as well.

So I forget to just act, especially when I am tired and overworked. I get too much in my head and don't act as fast.

Back to the fundamentals

But I managed to cold approach once today. A girl I saw from behind only to get pleasantly surprised when I found out she had a cute face. We clicked instantly and she gave me a lot of leeway as I was tired as F and too much in my head. Let's say I was about 70 percent of my usual self, but thanks to my fundamentals (and deep diving) I managed to create some intrigue.

It turns out she has a boyfriend but still wanted to get to know me. I gracefully declined her offer as I said I was attracted to her sexually and it doesn't feel right hanging out with a woman who has her man waiting for her back at home.

Taken girls flirting with me and single girls auto rejecting

I am seeing patterns now that my fundamentals are better (I, however, found out my voice need some work).

*As I went out to my local Open-mic night I spot a cute girl and start a conversation. I ask her out only to be countered with "I am dating someone right now" (so why are you sending me signals, then?). My female friend arrives (Icelandic girl I was dating last year) and the same girl goes from hot and flirty to cold. She stayed that way throughout the whole nignt.

*And then we had the girl that came with her man to the same place. I managed, however, to create so much intrigue (by my passive value) that she started flirting with me with non-verbals. As I left that place she looks at me with a big smile and give me a flirty wink.

There's a 16 year old at my work place who is going through a trainee program through her high school (once a week) and man, she is hot as F. So as I was engaging my female co-worker at the lunch break, I could see how I made her nervous. It was really on! Let's see what happens there...
 

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Remember I was talking about getting back to the basics? Well, I did this today and was very conscious about my approach and delivery.

*Always looking for a sign of interest and acting as much as I could on those.
*Letting her pass me by as we make contact then going after her.
*Pre-opening, by touching or holding genty on her arm.
*Letting her see me first and then smiling at her.
*A Genuine compliment, situational talk, then moving her or making her invest.
*Number close or trying an instant date.

All these steps along with fundamentals like voice tonality, eye contact, and good fashion.

The nice thing about going back to the basics is that it keeps me humble, is hard not to identify as a seducer once you get some decent results. Going back and rehearsing on my game makes me realize the holes that I have. And inner limits to shatter as I approach.

The approaches

Girls are pretty obvious with their advances these days. The first girl looked at me hard and long, but I did not want to approach because she was with her mother (a lame excuse, really).

The second was perfect and liked me as well. But was engaged.

The third was in a rush but liked my approach, couldn't get past delivering my compliment. She was running late for work.

Then I went to a cafeteria to do some writing, but couldn't concentrate as girls passing by the window were sending me signals (wow, they really want me to approach).

On my way back home another girl signals her interest in me. We only talk for 3 minutes before she basically shoves her phone number at me. We are currently setting up a date as we speak, so if she agrees on logistics I might meet her next week.

Some inner storms
Two things that bother me a little. 1. I am too scared to lose the girls I am seeing. 2. I want more girls and some of my happiness depends on having new leads, dates and possibly lays or fwbs every week.

It might be a natural thing to go through because it pushes me harder. I just don't like to be dependent on girls reactions.

Then I remember my main goal, to meet new girls. If a girl can't make it to a date, I see it as an opportunity to find new leads or work on my skills. So instead of pining over her, I just go out searching for new girls. The funny thing is that they then come back, as always.

Now, I have to install those beliefs once and for all. It might take a couple of months but once it's done I can just be in the moment and not be concerned about any particular girl.

A funny thing is also happening; I am looking more and more at the real stunners now. And they are starting to notice me more and more.

To be continued...
 

kristian

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Nothing big happening until now because I've been drowning with work and tired of all the lessons I've got from pick up the last two weeks. I've been through a lot lately and very thankful for every lesson so far.

So I will celebrate a little this weekend. I already have a couple of meetings with my girls scheduled and getting horny just thinking about the upcoming days. ;)

Gut feelings and approaches

The cool thing about starting from scratch is that I am not slacking as much anymore. As I was walking to the foodstore to get some lunch I spot a cutie walking the same way. I even try to get eye contact but don't get any signals back. But I had a feeling she liked me, though (maybe I subconsciously caught her checking me out from behind?).

She stands in line just in front of me and starts running of the store. I run after her.

Me: Excuse me. You had me literally running after you.
Her: (smiles).
Me: So I just had to stop you and introduce myself. I find you cute. (pause, to let that sink in)
Me: My name is Kristian.

A short situational conversation leads to a little deep diving. My "gut feeling" was also right. She wanted to meet up and was single and available. My question might be, how many girls are this way? (Checking me out but doing it so I don't notice?). It might happen more often than I believe to be the case.

She gives me her number very willingly. Nice, I felt I did not need to do anything special to get her number, something that's happening more often these days.

Re-engaging text with non-responsive girls
I found a nice way to get girls to invest when you are setting up logistics and all you need is a simple "yes" in order to get her out.

Me: So Caroline. Are we still on for next week? I am setting up my schedule right now so I need you to give me a time that fits.

They usually answer right back. The reason might be this:
*You convey that you're a busy guy and don't have time for games.
*You can either take it or leave it, you are pre-selected.

Then you get her to invest as well.
 

kristian

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I am basically getting results every time I go out. And they seem to be quite solid.
Today was one of those days, as the only girl I approached hooked instantly. We had a nice back and forth and she was very keen to meet up.

However, I got startled when she asked me my age.

Me: I am 31 years old. How about you? Let me guess, 21, 22?
Her: I am actually 20.
Me: So that means you're born in 1997. Cool! Well, I have to get off the metro now, but I'll text you soon to figure out our meeting.

She smiled nervously back as I left the metro. But then I realized she might have started to think too much about the little fact that I am 11 years older. Instead, I should have answered:

Me: Old enough to talk to strangers. How about you?

And then I should have just talked about her. I owned being my age, but maybe that little detail could come out as we deep dive a little more.

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At least I am learning all the time. Pushing the limits and working on improving many aspects of my game.
 

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One thing is to actually dream about it, another thing is when that dream come true. I am not only talking about women, its also how my life changed for the better, with more to do at work, new opportunities and musical adventures. One thing is more needed than ever, true friends and me-time.

So I decided to plan a trip somewhere I can be completely by myself in a couple of weeks. That would be really nice.

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Telling women the truth

So I've been on a truth-seeking rampage the last couple of days, telling women I like what I feel for them. I've also approached women on the streets telling them things like.

Me: Hi, nice t-shirt.
Her: Well, thank you.
Me: Kristian is my name, I just had to say something because I found you cute.

Or

Me: Hi.
Her: Hi ?
Me: I just saw you now and had to say something. I thought "hi" would work. Because you're really cute.

Or

Me: It's a shame you still have a boyfriend. I want to be your lover.
Her: (Giggles).
Me: Well, why don't I grab your number and ill check in on you in a couple of months.
Her: That could work.

Or

Me: I would like to take both of you home and make love to you.
Them: Wow, thank you. But we both have boyfriends so they wouldn't like that.
Me: Ah, they don't need to know.

Things like that. No need to game anymore or hide what I really want. And besides, I think women find my forwardness quite refreshing.

I had a conversation with Ay lately. I see how much she likes me, but I am also meeting other girls and setting up dates. So I told her I am "sharing my love". She did not like that and started crying, and after that we talked a little and she was happy again making love as if nothing happened.

The thing is I really don't want to hurt anybody and that is also one of the reasons I want to be as forward as possible.

Several girls and how I interact with women

One thing about abundance, you really start discriminating. A girl is a little annoying or flaky or difficult in bed? I have almost no reservation of nexting her. There is so many girls signaling me these days it's almost getting tiresome. I sometimes have to stop for myself and think: wow, I would never imagine it could become that intense.

Women are very blatant at signaling me these days.
I get warm receptions very often -It's easier to get a solid number and dates seem to be fun. Women stick more around.

Now, the thing I am also practicing on is on becoming unattached to the outcome which can seem harder. This is a game and women will come and go and everything in between, so I need to be centered in myself, no matter what is happening in my romantic life.

I have a new date tomorrow. Let's see what happens. Cant wait.
 

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Me: Do you know what I really want to do with you? (long break).
Me: I would like you not to shower for a day or two and then I would love to lick your pussy. (long pause).
Her: Why would you like to do that?
Me: I just want to taste you.

I could clearly see how horny she was. The thing is; she a virgin. Unkissed and untouched, so I didn't want to push things too hard with Miss G (let's call her that) like I do with other women.

And like the girls I've been seeing lately, no alcohol involved. She agreed to meet me again, but was a little unsure if I wanted to see her given that "we didn't go all the way". For me that's not a problem, really. I can wait for a date or two to fuck her (and I told her I would, which she found quite refreshing).

.......

On being flexible

I think this is key at this stage where I am at. I used to think girls wanted to make things difficult for me. I now understand that this is often not the case. Girls can be sick or feel down, or even not be in the mood then and there. As long as I am understanding but also firm in my desires and actions, girls seem to be even more hot and randy once they meet me again.

Back to fundamentals

The thing is, I am so horny these days I can't even think straight and girls sending me signals don't make it easy either. But my stronger sexual energy is also hurting my fundamentals. I just want to fuck and forget to pre-open, work on transitions, look my best and so on.

From now on that will be my main goal, to work on approaching again, from scratch. Sexual energy is already handled.
 

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I'm still getting a little nervous when I set up dates over texts, which is a good sign. I hope that never goes away because I like feeling things for girls.

I had a great interaction with a girl I met last year but I did not move fast with. This time, I let her know that I wanted her as a woman much earlier like asking her if she was single, saying I found her sexy and even delivered a compliment for a necklace that was hiding in between her breasts.

The thing now is that girls I know do not recognize me a year or two later. And really reminds me that I've become a different guy now than before. Once I say "we should meet" they are almost setting up the date for us, which is totally new for me. The reason? A much better handle on value and attainability. I try to be as humble as possible and that has been a huge leap forward.

Another thing is recognizing signs because I've been experimenting a lot lately, approaching girls that send me and not send me any signals and the difference is huge. Girls that don't signal are usually non-receptive. But I am also getting a better handle on recognizing the smaller signals I was oblivious to before.

I also love rejections. They keep me sane. They keep me humble.

Plans for next week. To kiss the girl I met yesterday and meet up again with Miss A and Miss G. Lets see what happens.
 

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What a bizarre lay I had yesterday. Pissed ex-boyfriend involved, picking up his former girl in front of him in the rain and a lay 50 minutes after introduction on the streets.

As I finished my last post I decided to go out and meet my flatmate and her friends at a bar close to our house. Nothing happened there since places don't get stacked before midnight, but I had fun with her friends, danced a little and got to get more familiar with signals from girls at night venues, which I found out is actually the same as during the day.

I have, however, little experience talking to women in bars and clubs and not used to interruptions and all that, so I did not manage to approach at all. After an hour at the bar, I decided to go for a walk in the rain looking for girls.

I walk for 30 minutes. Nothing worth writing about, until I go to one of the local food stores and find a cute, petite middle eastern girl talking to the guys at the store and entering. I soon follow only to get pleasantly surprised when she send me a signal of interest and I introduce myself. It turns out she lives nearby and I say we could walk together if she wanted to.

Her ex-give me a mean look and start arguing with her in their language, I did not want to get involved in a fight so I just walk from that place slowly.

Then I turn around and hear her telling me to stop.

Her: Don't worry about him. We used to be together but he is totally crazy.

We start walking and as I qualify her I see that she gets nervous and giggly talking to me. I see this as a very good sign. She invites me home "to hang out before going out together". I see this as an opportunity to escalate.

Her: I am glad I cleaned up my mess in the room today.

A very good sign. Because that meant something could happen if I managed not to fuck up.

To be sure "she got it" I gave her compliments and looked at her intensely in her eyes. 10 minutes in I try to kiss.

Her: I am sorry. This is too fast for me. I am just tired of guys pumping and dumping me.

So I say that's okay and start searching for music videos and talking about the music we were looking at. If she doesn't want to have sex, that's okay. I have some girls lined up for next week, which is truly acting from abundance.

Something happens here because me being chill about it made her go to the room, come back and invite me to her bed to massage me.

Me: I really just want to hold you.
Her: You can do that later. I want to massage you for a little.

She massages me and tells me "not to fall asleep". I promised her a massage in return and do so.
*I tell her to take off her shirt so I could oil her back.
*As she does this I take off her bra without asking for permission.
*I massage her good for around 15 minutes and then kiss her back, neck and start touching her breasts. 6 minutes later we start having sex.

The thing is, while I was spending time with her, her ex-was calling her. She ignored his calls throughout the whole session and we fall asleep after 25 minutes of sex.

She says she doesn't move that quick, but couldn't resist how hot I am and how chill I seem.

I wake up 2 hours later and leave her apartment when her ex called her once again. It did not feel right to be there, in case he comes over and find me there....

So that was that. I loved how I just maintained my chill through tense situations and was completely fine not having sex as well. Surprisingly enough, that what happens when you just "accept what is". This game is getting increasingly spiritual.

I also managed to break through as well. Getting a lay straight from the streets in an hour when least expected. Now I know whats possible...

Lets try to go for more of those crazy lays!!
 

kristian

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From one of Chases comments from his article Satisficing and Seduction.

Post-breakthrough soul-searching: the next stage comes when you realize that you can get laid whenever you want, but really amazing, soulmate-caliber girls are still a rare event to you. You start to wonder if maybe you should settle down if you have a girl like this, or if you should start searching for a girl like this. No amount of sleeping with ordinary new women can come close to matching what it's like having a single exceptional girl like this. This is the point where many experienced seducers drop out of the game and pair off with one of those rare high caliber women

If you want to read his comment Stages of pickup skill go here. It's a very interesting thread: https://www.girlschase.com/comment/24707#comment-24707

It's not that I have come this far, I am still a couple of stages behind, but the more I approach the more I realize what kind of girls I really want. My heart pounds really hard when I approach, but the story is the same; these girls are often in a ltr or arent sending me signals at all. Something that has been mentioned about awesome women before. I am kind of looking at the future already, and see what I will be aiming for as I continue this journey.

Girls falling harder than ever

So the girls I already am sleeping with seems to be very into me - including the one I slept with last Friday. She even told me by phone she wants to see me regularly and Ay and Miss T are being very feminine and submissive around me. It's nice to know I have this luxury at hand and I believe I can continue making them fall hard for me.

Am I happier now than before? Not necessary, my vibe is much better now and girls catch on that almost to the point that its difficult to be in public places. I get so horny and ready that I can't concentrate anymore.

Approaching lots of girls

I had a day where I talked to many girls and was - in my mind - perfect both in my delivery, fundamentals and deep dive. I couldn't get a solid number and the girls that hooked had boyfriends so nothing happened. I read somewhere here that even the masters at pick up have to approach around 15 girls to get lays so this might just be bad luck for the day.

At least I am working on the basics again, as I always do when I upgrade.

Thinking back at past failures


I was reflecting a little on my way back home from Ay: If things had worked out with Miss J I wouldn't be approaching and upgrading as I am doing right now. But is that sacrifice worth it? I think so, although I haven't met someone like her yet. I know I will eventually but right now she feels like a rare find, to be honest.

The thing with her - and other girls I've failed with - is that I often upgrade my skills as a result.

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I have a new date tomorrow as well. With a real stunner I fucked up with last year. Let's see if I can do things right this time. Wish me luck guys!
 

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The thing with flirty girls you think you can get somewhere with but are only giving you attention because they want your value, that's the girl I met today in a nutshell. How do I know this? I tested her by being a little sexual only for her to rebuff my advances.

*And she did not look intensely back.
*She also pulled a little back each time I escalated a little.

I ended our "date" by saying that next time I would like to play in bed with her. She responded by saying "yeah, right" and wasn't even nervous or excited. At least I found out her game. So I ended it after an hour and went back home to make myself ready for a concert I am getting paid for.

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I was also having a chat with an old flame of mine, asking her if she was single and we should meet up soon.

Her: I am single. But not looking for anything sexual right now. We can meet as friends if you want to.
Me: We can. But I can't promise I won't try to seduce you.
Her: Thank you for being so honest. I'm just a little confused where I am at the moment.

Which is totally okay, I am really not wasting my time playing friends with women I want as lovers. And besides, it's not fair for them either.

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Being a hot guy
So after playing a concert I finally understood one main thing; I am a hot guy.

I know I get girls interested, but I haven't accepted that part to the fullest before. I guess the unattractive me has been alive all my life... Until now, where I am about to kill that guy.

The reason why? I can attract girls pretty much everywhere I go and it's more pronounced when I am at venues or events, as opposed to the streets where girls are more "in their own world" and not sending as many signals. It's not that I can get numbers, dates and cool stuff happening every time, but at least I get windows and chances every single time. And that does something with my abundance mentality.

So why do I feel that way?

One reason is results and results come from approaching many girls. There's no way around it.

Another thing is visualization, something I do for 45 minutes almost every day. I believe this; in conjunction with good eating habits, workouts and sleep are killer combinations for your dating life.

On falling for certain girls


I will meet Miss T tomorrow and that's good. The not so good thing has been that I kind of miss her and when she did not respond to my last text yesterday, I felt forced to send her a re-engaging text.

Me: So Miss T. Were still on for 16:00 tomorrow, right? Let me know so I can schedule it.

Of course, she responds and I think she is keen on meeting me (because she's been chasing the last week). The thing is, I do not like uncertainty when it comes to girls I really like. So I felt a little needy - and hated it. And after going through those feelings to the fullest I realized one thing: I am in this game to learn to seduce and date several girls, not to fall for one special girl. That made me calm and I feel much better now.

Well, can't wait to see her, and can't wait to meet new girls soon. I wonder who that might be.
 

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That feeling when you go out, approach a bunch of girls every single day, write about it later, do concerts and shows, work with several projects and date multiple women... All this within the same week and then... You just shut off.

This is one of those days, I feel so tired I can't even think straight. The good thing is I am working on becoming better at every area in my life, but it doesn't come for free. So every single week I need a "me day" by myself in my apartment, receiving love from my cats and doing some work all alone.

Ok, enough melodrama, let me tell you a couple of things happening in my dating life at the moment.

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Realizing I am polarizing to women

So the better I become with women, the less foggy things seem to be. But in my case, I have to pay a prize - one I did not think so much about until now.
I wasn't able to fully close a young woman back in May, after flirting by text back and forth for many months. Long story short, she became extremely weird and unfollowed me on FB.

To be able to get some feedback I ask her why she did this by messaging her. She said it wasn't important. I reply by saying it all seemed so promising, after all, "we liked each other". She responds by saying "we didn't" although we both know how she was behaving around me while we were flirting. Long story short: she blocks me from social media apps completely.

I now understand the minuses of being intermediate with women: I polarize a lot. That's a good sign having this thing in mind https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10206

But it is at the cost of making some women hate my guts and I've felt it first hand a couple of times lately.

Hurts telling the truth

Another new challenge: being completely honest when you're meeting women. Easier said than done, especially when you still have some lack mentality with women. So much simpler to just lie...

But I decided last year to be honest and have integrity even if it cost me women and great sex. Heck, I even prefer to be celibate than breaking someone's heart by being dishonest.

So again, I was put to the test when Miss T says "it's scary to feel so much for me". I agreed but told her I stand by what I said last time we spoke (sharing my love) and that I can be completely honest with her. She was thankful for that and kissed me even more passionately after that.

I still don't know if I want to drop Ay or not, the thought has come; I think it's time to let her go. Especially when I can more easily replace her with someone (someones) more suited to where I am at. But I am giving her a little time first... Or maybe I still lack abundance mentality to fully replace her? Interesting how my mind still fucks me up.

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Lessons from going back to basics


It has been a nice and humbling experience doing basic exercises again. Opening cuter women, opening in new circumstances, being more honest in my openers, taking more chances, being bolder and so on...

So far no promising leads, although I almost had a couple of good dates here and there. I see what I really want in my life right now. I am also having more interactions with women I consider soul mate caliber, normal to cute girls are getting increasingly interested, I am totally okay with rejections and so on...

And having a handle on this is making me understand that music really is the thing that matters most in life. I am not building a carreer for women anymore so I am hungrier to succeed outside of dating even more.

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a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

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Cute girl on the food store

Those are also great venues to look for women as well. I haven't seemed them that way before.

So I enter the store and see a cute blonde. See that she is also checking me out. She goes before me but kind of stops "looking for something".
I do nothing then and there. She wanders off.

And then the thought goes through my mind, was this her was of saying "come and approach"? I guess so, but the thoughts going through my mind was that I she couldn't be interested in me. I think I had limiting beliefs then and there...

On another food store I spot another girl. This time I approach, but she had a boyfriend...

Resting a little

Other than talking to the girls I am already seeing I am just spending my day resting and reflecting a little. It seems Miss J might be interested in meeting again. Why not see what she is about?

I also realized it's harder to not approach a single girl in a day than I thought. Man, I really trained myself to cold approach without even thinking... Its almost second nature.
 
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