FRs/LRs of Italian/Portuguese/Spanish Girls on Skilled Seducer

[alleniverson]

Thanks man. Much appreciated.



Aside from the obvious neediness, I have also noticed that forcing report by trying to convey an understanding of a different culture by opting for superficial stuff or even stereotypes is just lame and try hard. What instead really works is to discuss something REAL about her culture that most people do not know, or think about.

I give you an example: Russians. You meet a Russian and you start talking about Vodka and babuschka (of course do not talk politcs...). Lame. But instead make a rant about why they eat pickles while drinking vodka (they actually do)- now you hit a spike. Now you display that you understand her culture and care more. Now you resonate with her.

Lists are long and it takes some travelling, some research, and some experience. But if you lack that understanding, no problem - ask her. What is special about your culture and your social norm? how is the nightlife where you live? how do men behave? girls behave? You can build insane amounts of true rapport this way while also eliciting a lot of key info. This can also pave the way for other transitions. Gotta be smart!



Awesome stuff. Fun fact, I have been to Szimpla Kert... like 3-4 times and pulled twice. Our first time there, we pulled a 2 set of local girls back to our AirBnB. Both girls had their periods, so we had to wash the sheets. The owner of the AirBnB flat was so happy we even leaned the cheats for her before leaving. LOLZ.

I really like Szimpla. Good vibe, always crowded, and lots of circulation and lots of options for verbal game. One of my favourite venue. Hope it has not changed too much - I have not been there sine 2016.



Needy, incongruent, and lame. She was probably right.

But good job on the pull!



Yeah totally. Good analysis and I agree with it.

Best,
Teevster

I also smashed a Hungarian girl out of simpla kert in Budapest. Fantastic bar. I love Budapest.

 

[Chase]

Just last week, I was in Prague for a week doing cold approach and as an American, it was a culture shock. It is not exactly the paradise people make it out to be for women being easy

FYI, Prague was the place every guy was going to in the 1990s or early 2000s. Even when I got into pickup in late 2005 there were guys talking about how Prague was now fished-out and just swarming with sex tourists from all over Europe (especially the UK and Italy) coming in and raising girls' shields up super high.

I'm not sure who is still saying "Prague is good" but that intel is like 30 years out of date(!)..

Mid-2000s the hotspot was Zagreb, but Bad Boy (who is a native) went crazy marketing his day game courses to guys who wanted to come to an EE city where getting laid was easy and now everyone I talk to who goes says you find day gamers swarming the city center, girls with sky-high bitch shields, same as Prague.

Then Roosh came along and started pushing his search for a "Pussy Paradise" and between him and the very active RooshV Forum whatever places they popularized got swamped with dudes. Warsaw & Krakow for EE girls... Roosh was singing their praises as "Pussy Paradises" but after his huge & horny audience read that and everyone streamed in Roosh was complaining a few years later that these cities were no longer as easy and you had to travel to Tier II or III cities to still get that foreigner bonus he was enjoying before.

I have a friend who complained a similar thing happened in the Philippines. When he first went there it was very easy to lay 30 girls in a month purely off of dating sites... he had girls coming straight over to his place and would just talk to them for 20 minutes then fuck them. Was not paying or anything; just pure foreigner bonus. IIRC there was a guy who did 50 in a month off of apps... well that got spread all over RooshV Forum and the RooshV guys just poured in. My friend went back to the Philippines years later and got nothing on the apps. He'd be meeting random foreigners, guys with sloppy looks and no game, and would ask them, "How'd you find the Philippines?" and they were all like "RooshV Forum."

I actually took down Colt's article on banging girls in the Philippines at that friend's request (we were #1 on Google for "how to have sex with Filipinas" getting like 15K visitors a month to that piece and my friend was like "You're contributing to everyone finding out about the Philippines, dudes streaming in here, spoiling these girls!" so I was like lol all right man, I'll take it down... redirected that one to our Thai girls article). Philippines was good for a long time... I had guys telling me about it in the mid-2000s, and found it very easy there myself in 2010. The chicks there have African-level rates of single motherhood; the women are not really vetting for long-term (nor for condom usage, lol). But once it got popularized and the dudes streamed in it stopped being as good. Supply and demand.

Bucharest was next on the hit list. You go there now and it seems like a quarter of the population is foreign, mostly men there for the women. Once again, tons of Brits and Italians.

But yeah, I mean, anyone who has not seen one of these places go from girls being very easy to pick up to very cagey... they do. Things change. Supply and demand. When it gets publicized that there is a place with a large supply of willing women, as soon as that gets embedded enough in the public consciousness, horny dudes from all over (esp. the UK and Italy) start streaming in to rebalance the equation.

I did a video on this years back:

Why I Won’t Tell You My Favorite Cities for Meeting Girls

I won’t tell you my favorite cities to meet girls at.Why not? Well, I’ll tell you WHY I won’t…How good spots get overfished (Prague, Zagreb, Kiev, Manila, Cebu)

www.girlschase.tv

Rule of thumb is if you are looking for spots where girls are easier, you need to beat the crowds there... i.e., get in before it becomes known as some RooshV-style "Pussy Paradise", because by the time the masses find out, it is probably going to be WORSE than just picking up in your hometown, thanks to all the horny drunk pugilistic English chavs and aggressive Italian mamas' boys with no game coming in making the local girls associate "foreigner" with "ew gross lame broke losers who just want a 2-minute pump and dump, no way!"

Worth noting that you do not necessarily need to go overseas for this either... some cities are better for pickup than others, some neighborhoods within a city, venues within a neighborhood... many times the differences are STARK! I discuss finding these places in this article; Teevster has an article on how to pick up in such places here.

Anyway, if you are going overseas, some places will be easier, especially if they are not "fished out" and you get a novelty bonus -- but some places, especially the ones that have men streaming to them from all over, are HARDER! Very often the reputation of a place is 20-30 years out-of-date... by the time the masses hear that a place is an amazing tourist spot, it is already over-saturated; by the time they hear that a place is a "pussy paradise" it is already being flooded with dudes and probably tougher to pick up in than back home! Typical adoption curve stuff:



By the time a place is well-known as "THE place to go!" it is already attracting the late majority or (worse) the laggards and is no longer actually "THE" place to go.

You want to be an innovator or an early adopter (i.e., trail blazer / pioneer) who finds the good spots before anyone else does.

Then just NOT talk about them to anybody!

Chase

 

[RisingCane]

@Chase

Since I suck at quoting, I will talk about my experiences in Prague in 2025 and what I witnessed. I might write more in-depth about it in a future date as well.

Daygame there was probably not the worst but Czech women are tough to crack, tons of Ukrainians and Russians too which is not the best thing.

I did close to 50 total approaches in a week and almost all of them were Czech, Ukrainian, or Russian. I remember 1 American but I almost feel like getting an American or British girl during the day is a blessing because they seem somewhat less closed off. Slavic girls will not reject you outright and will even entertain a long approach but the second you try to number close or show intent, that is when they shut you down or they get somewhat flakey. I got a total of what I want to say are 4 numbers that were solid and all of them got flakey.

Having Russians and Ukrainians in a city, IMO, is a curse. These women, unless you know their culture well, are very money-minded and queens at playing guys. I think Ukrainian women more than Russian but IMO, almost all are Gold Diggers and see men for financial uses. At least men who do not speak their language and such. The only guys I know who can avoid this are actual Russian men or men fluent in Russian.

Nightgame in Prague was hell.

In fact, I'd say it was worse than Miami and most Western cities I have gamed in. Tons of drunk British dudes, stag parties, and aggressive dudes who did not know how to act. I was not bothering anyone but almost got into a fight because some dude behind me, likely some sort of Western European, pushed me. I even went to Popos and realized that there were a lot of thirsty dudes, some of them looking for a fight.

What I witnessed was that almost all women, except for a handful, had their guards up. Quite a few I would approach were just ready to head out and go home because of all the drama on the streets. My wings and I were hitting up the area where they had Moon Club and James Deen. We found street game far more effective than actual club and venue game.

Clubs and venues were flooded with Russian and Ukrainian women. I don't mean to sound bigoted but I think the influx of Ukrainian and Russian women due to the war has just flooded up nightgame venues with dolled up Sugar Babies. Speaking of Sugar Babies.

I did try the Seeking Arrangements hack which has worked for me in past years but not here.

You use Seeking as a dating app and just DM girls. You will find some women on there used to use it as a dating app to meet cool guys. They were tired of broke dudes on Tinder so Seeking was sort of their app to find a cool boyfriend with his life together. I got laid from it in 2023 with high quality women and it worked just like a dating app as well. Unfortunately, at some point in 2024 that all died out.

I had at least 6 dates lined up in Prague from it but every girl hit me up asking for a PPM or financial compensation. It used to never happen to me on the app a couple of years ago. The girls in Prague caught on and man did they catch on FAST. This wiped out a good bit of my potential lays.

Tinder matches and Bumble? I barely got any but the ones I did get? Buy me a gift before we meet please!

Prague is far from an easy city for Game and I think it might be harder than most Western European cities.

For nightgame, I did not find any good venues. The ones I did find, I found had a lot of closed off girls. Street game at night was the best bet. If not that, then you do daygame near Palladium and the river but that was about it.

For any guy visiting, I would say treat it like you would treat Game in most US and Western Europe cities. I'd argue and say that for nightgame, it is more difficult than a Miami or an NYC.

 

[ChrisXKiss]

Daygame there was probably not the worst but Czech women are tough to crack, tons of Ukrainians and Russians too which is not the best thing.

I did close to 50 total approaches in a week and almost all of them were Czech, Ukrainian, or Russian. I remember 1 American but I almost feel like getting an American or British girl during the day is a blessing because they seem somewhat less closed off. Slavic girls will not reject you outright and will even entertain a long approach but the second you try to number close or show intent, that is when they shut you down or they get somewhat flakey. I got a total of what I want to say are 4 numbers that were solid and all of them got flakey.

Having Russians and Ukrainians in a city, IMO, is a curse. These women, unless you know their culture well, are very money-minded and queens at playing guys. I think Ukrainian women more than Russian but IMO, almost all are Gold Diggers and see men for financial uses. At least men who do not speak their language and such. The only guys I know who can avoid this are actual Russian men or men fluent in Russian.

When I was in Prague, few years back (still after the war), I really felt a friendly vibe in general. I do wonder how much it has changed, but for me it does bring back nice memories at least when it comes to the receptiveness of the girls. Even the girl at the hotel reception was flirting with me. And I was way more beginner then too.

I remember number closing at least a few girls, more than 4 in quite less than a week, and also having my first ever same day pull with a Ukrainian girl. I even made out with another Ukrainian two days after that.

Anyway I don't generally disagree about the observation regarding Russian/Ukrainian women. Many of them will outright tell you that even if they make their own money, they expect from the guy to pay for everything, and I have not managed to crack that frame long term.

But if they are in the mood for having fun and hooking up, which will happen sometimes with at least some of them, what I have felt is that you simply have to be a man and lead her. Tell her where to come, pay like it's no big deal, and generally be a dominant figure in her reality, while moving through escalation windows.

So I would say that the most difficult part is not really the gold digging, but how to find them in a more fun and open to sex mood. A lot of them take a more traditional approach and won't jump into a hook up easily but look for something more.

At least my feeling from dates/experiences with them. Still love them though, there is something intoxicating about feeling that a girl fully expects you to be a man and take care of her, not because she is weak but because she wants to let go with you. Without the paying for everything part, they would be my favourite girls for sure.

Back to Prague, maybe I should just go back and check at some point. It surely is very touristy though, maybe too much for my tastes sometimes and this contributes to the crazy nightlife vibe you also felt.

 

[MrVariety]

I can only speak from my experience from Spain, but I think Greece and Italy would be the same.

I've been to Las Palmas twice and can say that day game is harder than normal.

Girls there are used to getting approached on the street, and have adapted quick defenses toward it. I got the strong impression that they see you automatically as a low-status male if you approach them on the street, whereas if you do that in other countries you're seen as exceptionally brave, giving you an edge from the get go.

Girls aren't surprised if you approach them and will sometimes just completely ignore you so that you go away, or might talk to you first and then suddenly shut you off. A lot of them don't really have the courtesy to reject you, they'll just keep on walking.

When I've been in Spain I've mostly succeeded with tourists or South American immigrants despite apporaching more locals than others. I believe Spanish women are hostile to guys on the street by default, and you have to do it through social contacts. The only exception is the Spanish girl doesn't have a social circle, say, she's recently moved, then she can be open.

While of course there are tons of exceptions, in general I find Spanish women (in Spain) rude and closed off a lot of time if you approach them in public. Spanish travelling women, on the other hand, when they can't rely on social circle, are warm and friendly.

Mr Variety

 

[RisingCane]

This thread has generated some great discussions and Game Greats like @Skills, @Teevster, and @Chase have offered their brilliant inputs. However, when I truly read back on this thread and think about women from places like Spain, Italy, and I guess to an extent France, I am left wondering:

WHY?

I guess that is where my mind gets stuck. I am not trying to act sour or anything here but in terms of physical appearance, I would not put Spanish or Italian women near the top in Europe. I've run into countless ones here in Miami and some on my trips to Europe as well and they look rather plain with almost no redeeming features. Sure, occasionally you might get a Monica Bellucci but I would say that is more of the exception than the norm.

Italian women dress and doll themselves up a lot but the genetics are not there. As @Chase would say on one of his most famous articles, they are more "hot" than "beautiful". Genetically, I have found that along with Spanish women, they are on the shorter end, have a tendency to have a lot of body hair, don't age well, and do not seem to look for their fitness that much.

When I see it, I realize why Italian and Spanish men tend to go for other nationalities in higher numbers and the former has a tendency to Passport Bro a lot. It is like when large swaths of men are avoiding their own women, why are we as men even caring about them.

Then it hit me, it is that conquest factor, the unattainability factor.

TBH, I have felt it albeit with rich college girls here in Miami. Like you can have an objectively better looking woman but because she is more attainable, you will pass her up for that challenge even if that challenge is objectively lower quality. Compared to women in most other parts of Europe, except for the UK, I don't consider Italian or Spanish women good looking. I was in Prague and saw just how unattractive they were compared to Czech women.

But I guess as guys into Game, we struggle with this validation and this whole bagging groups of women we consider "tougher". I know because I have experienced this and had to walk myself back mentally.

Unless you happen to be stuck in a Spain or Italy in which case, may the lord be with you, I don't really see a point in going after Italian and Spanish women when they are objectively just of a lower quality.

If anything, I would do what I did in Prague and go after anything but the Italian or Spanish chick because objectively, she isn't really worth the time to invest in. I say this and my only close of the Prague trip was an Italian tourist so go figure! You do find some good ones here and there.

My whole thing is, why boost the egos of women who delude themselves into thinking they are superior to everyone? Why not just give your best to women who are objectively from hotter and more desirable nationalities?

 

[RisingCane]

This thread gave me a game epiphany. Like you see Game and psychological stuff being done on you and you do not even realize it unless you step back and do some proper reflection. In some odd way, women from Spain, Italy, and to an extent France have almost Gamed the Players. These are the same places that gave us Casanova and Don Juan so for centuries, these women are all too used to Players. But I try to look at it a bit objectively here.

Compared to Slavic, Scandinavian, and most Northern European women, women from the Mediterranean are not exactly that attractive on the genetic side of things. There is a reason they aren't represented well in the modeling world despite countries like Italy practically worshiping fashion.

To compensate for this, they do tend to put extra work into their fashion. So many guys I have known who have found an Italian girl hot were commenting more on the way she dressed and it did wow the common guy and girl. However, as a guy who used @Chase and his advice on "hot" vs "beautiful" girls, I was a bit dumbfounded because facially and genetically, she was relatively average looking. It is almost like a female version of peacocking.

Then add to that development of Game, namely mindgames on their behalf that they use to make their own men into borderline Simps. As much as people praise Mediterranean guys for their Game, I find that on the same token, they also tend to be emotional Mamas Boys who will defend the toxic behavior of their women to all ends.

By use of this method, these women are able to gather male attention away from women who are from backgrounds objectively more attractive than their own. It's almost like a Case Study for anyone who thinks Game does not work, how it actually does work, even on men!

My thoughts would be that an advanced Player would see right past that and not even play the Game. He'd have so much abundance and leverage in his life that he would actually remind such a woman deep down where she really is in her desirability if you strip the fashion and mindgames away.

In my past experiences with women from this region of the world, albeit all abroad and none in their home country, I did look back and find that it worked for me. Almost ignoring them, gaming women of other backgrounds, and not even giving these women any attention in group sets unless it was clearly in a "just friends" way.

Come to find even on my recent trip to Prague with the Italian tourist I closed, I was gaming her less and her friend more because I initially wanted her friend who was actually taken.

Not to throw any nationality or culture under the bus as that was not my intention, I am interested in genuinely learning more about Gaming women who do have this mindset of being better than everyone else or those who have been pampered their whole lives. I find that the same rich college girl types I like in Miami come from a somewhat similar upbringing.

For all I know, there are good articles on this on this site which to be frank, has such a library of brilliance that I will be searching forever lol!

 

[Spike]

they do tend to put extra work into their fashion. So many guys I have known who have found an Italian girl hot were commenting more on the way she dressed and it did wow the common guy and girl. However, as a guy who used @Chase and his advice on "hot" vs "beautiful" girls, I was a bit dumbfounded because facially and genetically, she was relatively average looking

Ah yes. The power of fashion. If only there was someone here who went on and on about how you could use their own weapon against them. And have troves of girls go from thinking you are “meh” to “omg who is that guy???”. With one simple fix. Alas