Forum News Generative AI Is Not a Seducer: Let’s Keep It That Way (The Forum’s Official Position)

[Skills]

Again i am going to be a contrarian, cause we are doing total strawmaning, though i get the point.... You can use again ai, as an urban dictionary to make points.... I am going to give you an example, i will make an ai post right now in this sample, this is a post I will write.... I will give this sample post myself using ai..... This is a post here (so is not violating guidelines since is in the post to make sample, and my last post using ai), This is a sample on how i do my own post in my blog and here and other forums:


author skills "PROPER WAY TO USE AI for seduction":

First, lets find out what is ai from chatgpt:

Artificial Intelligence (AI) is the field of computer science focused on creating machines or software that can perform tasks that typically require human intelligence. These tasks include things like:

• Learning from experience (like recognizing patterns in data)
• Reasoning and problem-solving
• Understanding language (natural language processing)
• Perceiving the environment (like recognizing images, faces, or voices)
• Making decisions or taking actions based on data

There are different types of AI:

1. Narrow AI (Weak AI) – AI that's designed for a specific task, like voice assistants (Siri, Alexa), chatbots, or recommendation systems (like Netflix).
2. General AI (Strong AI) – A theoretical form of AI that can understand, learn, and apply knowledge across a wide range of tasks, much like a human.
3. Superintelligent AI – An even more advanced concept where AI surpasses human intelligence in all aspects (still purely hypothetical for now).

^ Ai can help you in seduction in different ways for example:

- if you are doing online dating which is a pretty structure linear concept if the author doing ai training is a really successful seducer in this niche.... For example based on my online experience, and i have COACHED successfully incel doing online, and other close to incel lovable losers how to improve on texting, i can see how being guided till the dudes get it the use of ai::

- For example if a guy i am feeding text lines, get to see that i am using the same response in certain texting, online responses, eventually after trial and error he will get the point and formulate his own twist...

For example i can train an ai to answer to "What are you up to or what are you doing right now" i can program the ai to say high value activity follow by a testing water soft close":

at the gym trying to look fit and sexy for our upcoming date
or
closing a deal with a client so i can have enough money to pamper you at our upcoming date in startbucks"
or
"I am at the dujo training mma so i can in the future protect you from creepers once we are dating"

The downside of using ai:

- you can get a program from a person that is not skilled enough in the niche delalying or fucking up your progress

- When the girl meets you she will be turn off since your vive does not match the vibe in the text....

^ But you know i am skills, i got you i will show you how to get around those 2:

once you get the hint, you will use your own vibe using the same structure of idea....

Done....


^ see how i just used ai, in an actual practical context.....


Anyways, i am done, is just i hate when we as a community sometimes get sooooo weird, and tunnel focus, that we fail to see how stuff can be used and we get stuck in the same old same old....

like again online dating was the devil, once in the seduction community now the community is all online lol, barely if any anybody doing cold approach....

look maxing was frown upon, now good luck if your fundamentals not there...



anyways, we can not have tunnel vision guys, i am not saying ai, is the answer, what i am saying it has its application just like this post i just made in 5 minutes using ai.....

Edited. programmed to train based on gameboy nitpick

 

[gameboy]

You don't "program" an AI, you train it. AI is good at creative writing that sounds convincing. It is not good at problem solving.

I just tried to use an AI to solve a technical problem (a description of an electrical circuit). I got a flawed answer. When I asked for clarification, the same AI gave me a different answer, admitting that it's first answer contained an error. So I basically got two answers that contradicted each other. If I didn't have any knowledge of the field, I would probably have taken the first answer at face value.

This has happened again and again whenever I used AI. Sometimes it gives impressive answers, and I learn a lot. But it's necessary to always be vigilant because it can also generate complete bullshit, while sounding just as convincing as if it was giving a correct answer.

 

[Skills]

You don't "program" an AI, you train it. AI is good at creative writing that sounds convincing. It is not good at problem solving.

I just tried to use an AI to solve a technical problem (a description of an electrical circuit). I got a flawed answer. When I asked for clarification, the same AI gave me a different answer, admitting that it's first answer contained an error. So I basically got two answers that contradicted each other. If I didn't have any knowledge of the field, I would probably have taken the first answer at face value.

This has happened again and again whenever I used AI. Sometimes it gives impressive answers, and I learn a lot. But it's necessary to always be vigilant because it can also generate complete bullshit, while sounding just as convincing as if it was giving a correct answer.

Semantics i will edit later to train, pwf gas an ai app that he trained...i just quoted in my sample the definition of ai, is that definition from chatgpa incorrect

 

[gameboy]

Semantics i will edit later to train,

OK I admit I was nitpicking a bit there

pwf gas an ai app that he trained...i just quoted in my sample the definition of ai, is that definition from chatgpa incorrect

I would say it is partially correct.

To quote ChatGPT's answer:

• Learning from experience (like recognizing patterns in data)

AI definitely good at recognizing patterns, but would I call that "experience"? Not unless we have the first AI-powered robots running around, I guess. Until then, it is just analyzing what others wrote about their experience, and generating plausible-seeming output based on that.

• Reasoning and problem-solving

It seems to be good at reasoning. As for problem solving, it gets some right, some wrong.

• Understanding language (natural language processing)

Agreed, AI is very good at that.

• Perceiving the environment (like recognizing images, faces, or voices)

Haven't tried that yet, so I don't know. I believe image and face recognition was already a thing before AI. Maybe this is getting better with AI but I have no experience with this.

• Making decisions or taking actions based on data

Making decisions - OK. But taking action? An LLM on the internet can't take any action since it doesn't have a physical body. So we'll have to wait for AI powered robots. (They'll probably show up sooner rather than later, but as of today I haven't seen or heard of any).

So to summarize, this definition seems to be about 50% correct, like most things AI currently.

 

[Skills]

OK I admit I was nitpicking a bit there

I would say it is partially correct.

To quote ChatGPT's answer:

AI definitely good at recognizing patterns, but would I call that "experience"? Not unless we have the first AI-powered robots running around, I guess. Until then, it is just analyzing what others wrote about their experience, and generating plausible-seeming output based on that.

It seems to be good at reasoning. As for problem solving, it gets some right, some wrong.

Agreed, AI is very good at that.

Haven't tried that yet, so I don't know. I believe image and face recognition was already a thing before AI. Maybe this is getting better with AI but I have no experience with this.

Making decisions - OK. But taking action? An LLM on the internet can't take any action since it doesn't have a physical body. So we'll have to wait for AI powered robots. (They'll probably show up sooner rather than later, but as of today I haven't seen or heard of any).

So to summarize, this definition seems to be about 50% correct, like most things AI currently.

Autism now you being ridiculous how does that affect the messaging of my fake post??

 

[gameboy]

Autism now you being ridiculous how does that affect the messaging of my fake post??

Wasn't referring to that, just saying I don't agree with ChatGPT's definition of itself since you asked me.

I'm sure AI can help with text game, but what's the guy gonna do once he has the chick on a date...

 

[Teevster]

This here is the exact reasons for why I want to limit the usage of gen-ai on the forum.

Guess my point has been proven.

-Teevster

 

[Skills]

Wasn't referring to that, just saying I don't agree with ChatGPT's definition of itself since you asked me.

I'm sure AI can help with text game, but what's the guy gonna do once he has the chick on a date...

Now you are moving the goal post or whatever the saying is please re read my fake post..

 

[Skills]

This is some answers i saw from the ai texting app video and the rebottles, just for context....


objection: the problem I have with this app is it seems designed for Alex’s personality, not every guy is like that so they’ll end up filtering for girls who are expecting something they aren’t.

rebottle: that is a potential concern, but you can directly communicate to the AI what style you want and it will tailor your responses around what you tell it. The AI has my comprehensive understanding of texting and even parts of my humor but the rest is within the users control.

objection: I feel like using an app that basicaly texts for you will lead to these people not learning shit, just relaying on the app. Getting the dates and then being awkard and weird during them

Rebottle: that is something that will happen for some. One of the things tho that was surprising to us during the beta stages of testing the process that lot of guys said that after a few weeks of testing the app, they started to internalize the advice and didn't really need it anymore. That happened quite often. But yeah there will always be some that don't learn but I think that's their proactive

objection: Something tells me that the barrier these types of men face is not a bad text game, it's that they're not physically attractive enough. Upgrading their texting isn't going to help them.

rebottle: well that's weird, because dozens upon dozens told me that text game was the issue and once they got that fixed their results significantly improved. There's a lot of good looking men that also struggle with dating,,,,

So more context, when you do sales such as stocks and mortgages (both things i sold), you get what is called a rebottle book, that rebottle book is field tested line for particular objections that are common:

- i am not interested
- call me back i am busy right now
- i don't have money
- is too expensive
- i am working with someone already
- your rate is too high
- i don't give my social security

etc....

you would have a field tested rebottle that works...

i am making the point that with online you get the same shit over and over and over:

- i don't feel comfortable going to your house
- what are looking for here
- i got a let you know i will not be sleeping with you if that is what you are looking for
- i am going to give you my ig
- what do you do for living
- what are you hobbies

etc....

is the same exact boring question and the same exact responses over and over and over and over.... boring as fuck sometimes you get bored and depress of how predictable it is and you give the same stupid answers and you lay the girl so easy (which is why i am not impress with online game guys at all)


my point is, someone like topcat, thomino, pob, me etc... can train an ai to have the same stupid responses and it will work.....

now i am saying i can see how ai can help in A BIT, part of the seduction.... That is all i am saying....

 

[Atlas IV]

i am making the point that with online you get the same shit over and over and over:

- i don't feel comfortable going to your house
- what are looking for here
- i got a let you know i will not be sleeping with you if that is what you are looking for
- i am going to give you my ig
- what do you do for living
- what are you hobbies

etc....

is the same exact boring question and the same exact responses over and over and over and over.... boring as fuck sometimes you get bored and depress of how predictable it is and you give the same stupid answers and you lay the girl so easy (which is why i am not impress with online game guys at all)

This is actually a sensible use of AI.

To most of us here, we do not consider online to be a real category of seduction at all (hence nobody posts LRs from online dating), and in fact it is a completely different process from real life seduction.

In the stickied thread for texting and online, there were a couple of great perspectives on OLD which have always stuck with me:

From @topcat:

I think i see where you guys are going wrong.

Online dating needs to be dealt with like marketing..

You need to think in “cohorts” and game cohorts not individuals. Create “funnels” and run your leads through these funnels.

The heart-on-sleeve, empathetic, inner game shit doesn’t start till face to face and i’m honestly starting to think cohort/marketing thinking can be applied to all game in some sense.

There’s no need for inner game online, you’re just pressing buttons.

Text goes in, pussy cums out.

Adjust the inputs until you receive favourable outputs.

and @TomInHo:

All this talk about apps and inner game is just lolz

Guys she’s not REAL

She’s just some pixels on a screen. It doesn’t really matter and online will always be a numbers game

OLD is just marketing. Even if you’re not a model you can create a profile that is a certain “TYPE”

Girls are not only banging Chads and Tyrones online ya know

They bang… bikers, surfers, fit guys, metro guys, androgynous guys, adventurer guys, artsy guys

You get the point

If your profile demonstrates you’re a certain type you’ll get more matches and can then run them through a funnel to meet up for a date

Save all the game stuff for the date

TBH the way you guys are talking on here, I actually feel doing some online will improve your overall game

Because if you’re struggling to create some images of your archetype that can get girls to swipe on you, then your fundamentals and presentation could use some work

Just think about all the AI’s and improved hooks you’re gonna get once you upgrade your image

When you think about OLD in terms of pushing buttons, pixels on a screen, and using input and to get a desired output (which is what it really is), isn't that exactly the sort of thing AI is designed for?

This, of course, has nothing to do with real seduction, because it is not real. AI cannot help you when you're out in the field or on a date, or even texting girls whom you met in real life (since it lacks to personal context you shared with each other).

But online dating is more like a mathematical algorithm or a game of chess - there are certain "moves" that will get certain "responses". It's predictable and mappable.

So thinking of it in terms of a pipelining process, it's logical then to assume that there are ways in which AI could streamline that.

It doesn't mean AI is relevant at all with what we talk about here (seduction in the real world). But I think it makes sense to consider that it may have a use case in its own field of application.

 

[KJ Francis]

I did a bunch of tests and found that it can summarize and apply a superficial understanding to things, but it does not really have a good grasp, even when limited to source material.

For example, I had it summarize key mindsets from @Will_V and apply it to challenges from @gameboy 's journal. It hit on things like taking action and outcome independence. There was something about self-amusement in there, but overall it was not even close to the kind of thoughtful insight Will brings to every post.

I asked it to analyze @Atlas IV and @James D to identify what they could learn from each other. Again it was really surface level and seemed to latch onto any existing louder opinions. For example, it praised Atlas' self reflection ability. Then it actually accused James of foolsmate haha based on that one guy who signed up and started criticizing, then disappeared (don't worry James it also specifically said you're a highly respected member here... AI has not flagged you for extermination).

Here are @Teevster insights other than sex talk applied to field reports (from Perplexity AI). It confused indirect opening with showing discreet interest, which is only kind of right. It then presented sexual prizing without the sex talk, but got confused and went fully non-sexual. It then presented a "Build, Sustain, Leverage" framework as Teevster's, but I don't think this is actually a thing...

Applying Alek Rolstad’s Non-Sex-Talk Insights to Field Reports on SkilledSeducer.com​

Alek Rolstad’s teachings on GirlsChase.com extend beyond explicit sexual gambits, offering nuanced strategies for building attraction, managing logistics, and refining social dynamics. Below is a framework for integrating these principles into field reports on SkilledSeducer.com, focusing on non-sexual techniques while maintaining alignment with Rolstad’s core philosophies.

1. Outcome Independence and Emotional Calibration​

Rolstad emphasizes outcome independence as a cornerstone of effective game. In field reports, this translates to documenting how detachment from results influenced interactions. For example:

• Field Report Excerpt:
  “Approached a woman reading at a café. Instead of focusing on closing, I prioritized playful banter about her book. When she mentioned she had to leave, I smiled and said, ‘No worries—hope the protagonist survives!’ She laughed and suggested meeting later.”
  Here, the lack of pressure and lighthearted exit preserved rapport, a tactic aligned with Rolstad’s advice to avoid over-investment

• .

2. Discreet Communication and Low-Key Vibes​

Rolstad’s concept of discreet communication involves subtlety in signaling interest. In field reports, highlight non-verbal cues and environmental leveraging:

• Example Integration:
  “At the park, I noticed a woman photographing flowers. I positioned myself nearby, casually remarking on the lighting. She engaged, and we discussed photography. By matching her pace and avoiding direct compliments, the conversation felt organic.”
  This mirrors Rolstad’s emphasis on creating a “low-key” atmosphere to build comfort without overt sexual tension
• .

3. Systematic Screening and Logistics Management​

Rolstad advocates for strategic screening to identify compatibility early. Field reports should detail how questions or observations filtered for shared interests or availability:

• Field Report Structure:
  1. Pre-Approach Observation: Noted her relaxed posture and lack of urgency.
  2. Opening Gambit: “That latte art is impressive—barista’s showing off today?”
  3. Logistics Probe: “Are you exploring the area or just passing through?”
  4. Outcome: Discovered she was new to the city, leading to a venue change suggestion.
     This systematic approach aligns with Rolstad’s focus on efficiency and intentionality

• 1. .

4. Sexual Prizing Without Explicit Sex Talk​

Sexual prizing—positioning oneself as a high-value, intriguing prospect—can be achieved without explicit language. Field reports should demonstrate this through confidence and curiosity:

• Case Study:
  “During a museum visit, I asked a woman her take on a surrealist painting. When she shared an insightful analysis, I replied, ‘You’ve got a rare eye for detail—most people miss the symbolism.’ Her smile widened, and she asked for my number.”
  Here, value was assigned through intellectual engagement, a non-sexual form of prizing

• .

5. Handling Rejection with Grace​

Rolstad’s teachings on rejection resilience stress reframing “failures” as data collection. Field reports should analyze setbacks through this lens:

• Example Reflection:
  “Approached a woman at a bus stop who seemed distracted. After a brief chat, she declined further conversation. Instead of dwelling, I noted her closed body language pre-approach. Lesson: Prioritize targets displaying open cues (e.g., relaxed stance, eye contact).”
  This aligns with Rolstad’s view that rejection often reflects situational factors, not personal inadequacy

• .

6. The BSL (Build, Sustain, Leverage) Method​

Rolstad’s BSL framework focuses on escalating rapport through non-verbal and environmental leverage. Field reports can illustrate this via:

• Build: Initiating with context-specific openers (e.g., commenting on a shared activity).
• Sustain: Using active listening to deepen the conversation.
• Leverage: Transitioning to a secondary venue based on discovered interests.
  “After bonding over indie music at a record store, I suggested checking out a nearby vinyl café. She agreed, and the venue shift solidified the connection.”

7. Documenting Subtle Compliance Tests​

Rolstad’s compliance testing—small requests to gauge interest—should be detailed in field reports:

• Field Report Example:
  “Asked her to hold my coffee while I tied my shoe. Her willingness indicated comfort, so I escalated with light touch during laughter.”
  This tactic avoids overt sexual pressure while assessing receptivity

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I also ran some books @Chase recommended and applied it to field reports.

First here's GC concepts applied. Pretty surface level, not terribly insightful.

Applying Advanced GirlsChase Concepts to "FU" Field Report Challenges on SkilledSeducer​

Field reports with "FU" in the title on SkilledSeducer.com typically detail frustrating near-misses, especially repeated issues with last minute resistance (LMR), failed pull attempts, or confusion about mixed signals and escalation



. Advanced concepts from GirlsChase.com directly address these sticking points and can provide actionable solutions.

1. Diagnosing Advanced Sticking Points​

GirlsChase identifies that advanced seducers often get stuck not on the basics (opening, attraction, basic escalation), but on higher-level issues such as:

• Miscalibrated escalation
• Poor isolation logistics
• Subtle failures in vibe or intent
• Over-reliance on routines or physical escalation without enough verbal or emotional connection

Application:
Many FU field reports describe situations where everything seems to be going well (good conversation, flirting, physical touch), but the woman resists going home or escalating further



. This suggests the problem is not with the basics, but with advanced calibration—reading her comfort and arousal levels, and managing logistics and emotional comfort.

2. Calibration and "Sexual Intent"​

Advanced GirlsChase material emphasizes the importance of calibrated sexual intent—making your desire clear, but in a way that matches her comfort and excitement

. Over-escalating physically or verbally without enough comfort or trust can trigger LMR, as seen in FU reports where the girl balks at going home or rejects a kiss after a smooth pull

.

Actionable Tactics:

• Mirror her investment: If she’s nervous or hesitant, slow down and build more comfort before escalating.
• Verbalize intent with calibration: Instead of bluntly stating sexual intent, use teasing or suggestive language that lets her imagine what might happen, while still giving her plausible deniability.
• Address and normalize her concerns: If she expresses fear or hesitation (“I don’t go to strangers’ apartments”), acknowledge her feelings and make her feel safe, rather than pushing through resistance

• .

3. Isolation and Logistics​

GirlsChase highlights that even advanced seducers often forget the importance of smooth logistics and isolation. If you don’t isolate the girl from her friends/environment or create a comfortable, private setting, escalation becomes much harder

.

Application to FU Reports:

• Plan the logistics of the pull in advance: Have a clear, non-threatening reason for her to come with you (e.g., “Let’s grab a drink at my place, I want to show you X”).
• Isolate incrementally: Move her from the group to a quieter spot before suggesting going home, so each step feels natural and safe.

4. Handling LMR: Comfort, Trust, and Attainability​

Repeated LMR (a hallmark of FU reports) often means the girl likes you but doesn’t feel quite comfortable enough to go further. GirlsChase recommends:

• Build more comfort: Slow down, talk about non-sexual topics, share something personal, or show vulnerability to deepen trust.
• Increase attainability: If you’re coming off as too much of a “player” or too unattainable, she may resist to protect herself. Show genuine interest in her as a person, not just a sexual target
• .

5. Self-Reflection and Iteration​

Advanced seducers are encouraged to systematically reflect on their sticking points and adjust their approach. FU report writers often express frustration at repeated failures despite “doing everything right”

. GirlsChase suggests:

• After each FU, analyze not just what you did, but how she felt at each stage.
• Identify patterns: Are you pushing too soon? Not building enough comfort? Missing subtle signs of discomfort or hesitation?
• Experiment with small changes: Try different pacing, more verbal comfort, or different logistics, and note the results.

Summary Table​

FU Challenge (SkilledSeducer)	Advanced GirlsChase Concept	Actionable Solution
LMR, failed pulls, last-minute resistance	Calibrated escalation, comfort, logistics	Slow down, build comfort, improve logistics
Mixed signals, confusion	Sexual intent calibration, attainability	Mirror investment, verbalize intent safely
Frustration at repeated near-misses	Self-reflection, advanced diagnosis	Analyze patterns, iterate approach

In essence:
Advanced GirlsChase concepts teach that when you repeatedly get close but fail (as in FU reports), the answer is rarely more physical escalation or “persistence.” Instead, focus on advanced calibration: reading her comfort, building trust, managing logistics, and reflecting on subtle sticking points. This is the path from frustrating near-misses to consistent success

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Here's Brian Tracy's sales closing techniques applied to forum challenges:

Applying Brian Tracy’s Sales Closing Techniques to Seduction Challenges on SkilledSeducer.com​

Brian Tracy’s The Art of Closing the Sale provides a robust framework for overcoming obstacles in professional sales, many of which parallel challenges faced by users on SkilledSeducer.com. By adapting Tracy’s principles to seduction contexts, we can address common sticking points such as approach anxiety, escalation failures, group dynamics, and post-date flakiness. Below is a detailed analysis of how Tracy’s techniques resolve specific issues documented in field reports from the forum.

1. Overcoming Approach Anxiety Through Decisive Action​

Challenge: Procrastination and Hesitation​

SparklingWadah’s field report highlights procrastination before approaching women at a mall, circling around targets to delay initiating contact

. Similarly, James D’s "four approaches per day" challenge reflects the difficulty of consistent prospecting in seduction.

Tracy’s Technique: The "No Callbacks" Mindset​

Tracy emphasizes that hesitation guarantees failure in sales, as prospects who say, “Let me think it over” rarely commit

. He advocates for immediate action by framing the close as inevitable: “I don’t make callbacks” forces prospects to decide in the moment.

Application to Seduction:

• Eliminate pre-approach rituals. SparklingWadah’s habit of “checking the menu” or lingering near targets introduces hesitation. Instead, adopt Tracy’s directive: approach within 3 seconds of noticing a woman to bypass anxiety
• .
• Treat the approach as non-negotiable. Just as salespeople qualify prospects early, seducers should assume attraction and open with confidence. For example, SparklingWadah’s opener—“Your hair is absolutely beautiful today”—succeeded because it mirrored Tracy’s Demonstration Close, where compliments (“product benefits”) are delivered assertively

• .

2. Building a "Sales Personality" to Project Confidence​

Challenge: Social Anxiety in Group Settings​

Space Monkey’s field report details struggles with social fluidity in group interactions, particularly during an escape room date where he felt disengaged and contributed minimally

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Tracy’s Technique: The Self-Employed Mindset​

Tracy argues that 80% of sales success stems from personality, particularly self-confidence and ownership of outcomes

. He advises salespeople to view themselves as “self-employed”—fully responsible for their results.

Application to Seduction:

• Reframe social anxiety as a solvable skill gap. Space Monkey’s anxiety in groups stems from unfamiliarity with dynamic social frameworks. Tracy’s emphasis on continuous learning applies here: study group dynamics (e.g., leading conversations, asking open-ended questions) and practice in low-stakes environments
• .
• Adopt authoritative body language. Tracy links posture to perceived confidence. SparklingWadah noted his slumped posture during approaches, which undermined his vibe

. Straightening posture and maintaining eye contact (as practiced in his mall approaches) aligns with Tracy’s Power of Suggestion Close, where confident demeanor implies inevitability

• .

3. Handling Objections and Indecision​

Challenge: Escalation Failures and Flakiness​

Developing_Man’s pub date report illustrates failed physical escalation due to poor seating arrangements and residual rejection anxiety

. Similarly, Suavesito faced post-date flakiness despite a successful kiss

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Tracy’s Technique: The Trial Close and Assumptive Close​

Tracy’s Trial Close involves gauging interest throughout interactions by asking questions like, “How does this feature align with your needs?”

. The Assumptive Close skips explicit permission and guides prospects toward decisions (e.g., “Let’s finalize the paperwork”)

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Application to Seduction:

• Use incremental escalation as a Trial Close. Developing_Man could have tested physical touch earlier (e.g., hand-holding during conversation) to gauge receptivity before attempting a kiss
• . Tracy’s method reduces “all-or-nothing” escalation pressure.
• Assume compliance, not rejection. Suavesito’s flaky date likely stemmed from unresolved buyer’s remorse. Applying the Assumptive Close, he could text, “Let’s continue our conversation at [location] tomorrow” instead of open-ended questions

• .

4. Relentless Prospecting and Work Ethic​

Challenge: Inconsistent Approach Volume​

James D’s daily approach goal and karanova’s hostel approach reflect the importance of volume, yet many users struggle with consistency



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Tracy’s Technique: The Law of Averages​

Tracy notes that 80% of sales close after five follow-ups, yet most salespeople quit after one rejection

. Success requires embracing the law of averages—more prospecting increases closes.

Application to Seduction:

• Treat approaches as skill-building. SparklingWadah’s mall “speedrun” (7 approaches in 2 hours) exemplifies Tracy’s work ethic
• . Each interaction, even unsuccessful ones, hones calibration and reduces fear.
• Systematize prospecting. James D’s structured approach (4/day) mirrors Tracy’s advice to treat sales as a numbers game. Tracking metrics (e.g., approach-to-close ratios) identifies improvement areas

• .

5. Post-Date Follow-Up and Reigniting Interest​

Challenge: Post-Date Flakiness​

Suavesito’s Japanese date and Girls Chase’s analysis of flakiness highlight how initial attraction fades if not reinforced



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Tracy’s Technique: The Enthusiasm Principle​

Tracy attributes 51% of closing power to enthusiasm—a belief in the product’s value

. Post-sale, he advises maintaining excitement to prevent buyer’s remorse.

Application to Seduction:

• Reinforce positive memories. Girls Chase recommends referencing shared moments (e.g., “Remember how we laughed about X?”) to reignite emotional highs

. This mirrors Tracy’s Yes-Yes Close, where reminders of prior agreement foster continued compliance- .

• Limit post-date communication. Tracy’s Invitation Close involves setting clear next steps. Suavesito’s follow-up texts should have included specific plans (e.g., “Let’s try that sushi place tomorrow”) rather than generic check-ins

• .

Conclusion: From Sales Funnels to Seduction Frameworks​

Brian Tracy’s sales strategies translate seamlessly to seduction by reframing romantic pursuit as a series of skill-based interactions. Key takeaways include:

1. Decisive action over hesitation eliminates approach anxiety.
2. Confident body language and self-concept override social insecurities.
3. Incremental escalation and assumptive framing bypass objections.
4. Consistent prospecting adheres to the law of averages.
5. Post-interaction enthusiasm sustains attraction.

By treating seduction as a closing process—where each interaction is a step toward mutual commitment—users like James D and SparklingWadah can systematize their success, turning fleeting connections into consistent results

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I also applied the Hagakure and it said to embrace ego death in order to learn from rejection while approaching.

It was fun to play around with and is pretty good at making things sound reasonable, but I am not going to use it to problem solve. I also summarized @Skills concepts from his website and posts here. It grasped some basics, but did not really hit on the good stuff.

So that concludes my testing and AI posting... It is ok for definitions and stuff, especially if you limit the source. I did eventually get it to give a decent summary of 60 years of challenge from the pdf. But overall it did not do very well with nuanced application of knowledge.

 

[KJ Francis]

In the one about "FU" reports above, that actually demonstrates a good example of a misdiagnosis. It says LMR is from lack of comfort, but does not mention that it may have resulted from lack of early sexual framing and ramping up physical escalation (her being surprised you have a dick).

 

[Teevster]

"
Field Report Excerpt:
“Approached a woman reading at a café. Instead of focusing on closing, I prioritized playful banter about her book. When she mentioned she had to leave, I smiled and said, ‘No worries—hope the protagonist survives!’ She laughed and suggested meeting later.”
Here, the lack of pressure and lighthearted exit preserved rapport, a tactic aligned with Rolstad’s advice to avoid over-investment"

This never happened lol, nor do I ever see myself doing this.

I also am against the idea of outcome independence. I criticized this heavily back in the days. I made the case that "outcome over-dependence" was bad, but "independence" neglect the necessity of ego-drive.


"Field Report Structure:

1. Pre-Approach Observation: Noted her relaxed posture and lack of urgency.
2. Opening Gambit: “That latte art is impressive—barista’s showing off today?”
3. Logistics Probe: “Are you exploring the area or just passing through?”
4. Outcome: Discovered she was new to the city, leading to a venue change suggestion.
   This systematic approach aligns with Rolstad’s focus on efficiency and intentionality"

The fuck is that? Logistic probe? Efficiency and intentionality? have I ever used the term "intentinionality".

"Field Report Example:
“Asked her to hold my coffee while I tied my shoe. Her willingness indicated comfort, so I escalated with light touch during laughter.”
This tactic avoids overt sexual pressure while assessing receptivity"

Fun fact - I never had a cup of coffee in my whole life!

It then presented a "Build, Sustain, Leverage" framework as Teevster's, but I don't think this is actually a thing...

Nope, never discussed that.

Oh god this is bad.

-Teevster

 

[KJ Francis]

I don't know where it's even getting this shit from. I tried googling a few small phrases. The only clue I found was the hold my coffee one, which may have been reworked to fit the concept from a New York Times article with some of the same phrasing that referenced a woman who tripped and fell on the street. She handed her coffee to another woman who asked if she was OK, then tied her shoes. Then the woman walked away with her coffee. So... Not a field report. And definitely not from here.

I still wonder what the capability would be if you limited it 100% offline pointed to a downloaded copy of every GC article ever, and got it to leverage more than just a few articles for one answer. I assume you'd need your own multi GPU rig.

 

[Skills]

I did a bunch of tests and found that it can summarize and apply a superficial understanding to things, but it does not really have a good grasp, even when limited to source material.

For example, I had it summarize key mindsets from @Will_V and apply it to challenges from @gameboy 's journal. It hit on things like taking action and outcome independence. There was something about self-amusement in there, but overall it was not even close to the kind of thoughtful insight Will brings to every post.

I asked it to analyze @Atlas IV and @James D to identify what they could learn from each other. Again it was really surface level and seemed to latch onto any existing louder opinions. For example, it praised Atlas' self reflection ability. Then it actually accused James of foolsmate haha based on that one guy who signed up and started criticizing, then disappeared (don't worry James it also specifically said you're a highly respected member here... AI has not flagged you for extermination).

Here are @Teevster insights other than sex talk applied to field reports (from Perplexity AI). It confused indirect opening with showing discreet interest, which is only kind of right. It then presented sexual prizing without the sex talk, but got confused and went fully non-sexual. It then presented a "Build, Sustain, Leverage" framework as Teevster's, but I don't think this is actually a thing...



I also ran some books @Chase recommended and applied it to field reports.

First here's GC concepts applied. Pretty surface level, not terribly insightful.



Here's Brian Tracy's sales closing techniques applied to forum challenges:



I also applied the Hagakure and it said to embrace ego death in order to learn from rejection while approaching.

It was fun to play around with and is pretty good at making things sound reasonable, but I am not going to use it to problem solve. I also summarized @Skills concepts from his website and posts here. It grasped some basics, but did not really hit on the good stuff.

So that concludes my testing and AI posting... It is ok for definitions and stuff, especially if you limit the source. I did eventually get it to give a decent summary of 60 years of challenge from the pdf. But overall it did not do very well with nuanced application of knowledge

Again nobody is going to do post or summaries from ai..... Show me were in this skillseducerforum that has happened??

I think one new guy did it, and it got banned right away (and he did not even meant to do it for what i understand)

there was in mpua forum a glossary of terms, when back in the days black dragon was popular in his site had a glossary of terms, there was a website call pua lingo....

^ so a guy like me i am busy i don't have time to sit there and play researcher just for COINVINIENCE, look for a term and make my own post or point, has nothing to do with nothing....

-nobody is saying ai will teach seduction
-nobody is advocating to use ai to write full post
- nobody think ai is a seducer or good for substitute for actual field experience...

So if someone is using ai to expand the term of shit test and make his own post on a definition and he got it from pua lingo and/or ai, is the context....

The second context was online dating, were you can see how you can use ai to answer the same dumb ass shit women will say (they all say the same stupid shit).... if train by the right seducer/s of that niche (i can see it working but i am totally kjing cause i have not try it, but i know based on experience is the same stupid as shit they say and same stupid answers).

The only thing that makes sense and why i probably wont use it is cause of the search engine issue...

The other stuff like you with your block of texts putting whole summaries of journals or posts is autistic, nobody is going to do that here, nothing to do with nothing and nobody here has ever done shit like that...

and nobody is here is going to go to an ai for seduction advice this argument went to shit and circles and we started talking about the color blue ended up talking about mars...

 

[KJ Francis]

Again nobody is going to do post or summaries from ai..... Show me were in this skillseducerforum that has happened

Cocporn's link within the thread has it applying concepts to other concepts

ChatGPT for pickup theory: ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTION

Hello, fellow beauties. I have been discussing with my babe ChatGPT, and it now has the ability to remember from thread-to-thread (or, I guess they call them "chats", but you know what I mean). I have been lobbing ideas back and forth for something I am working on that is related to pickup...

www.skilledseducer.com

I don't know who got banned but some guy posted his game plan that teevster replied on "that's how you make a plan!" And I thought the guy was well versed in NLP or something and turns out it was just AI. Maybe same guy

These tools are extremely new. I there are not many examples yet and the policy is meant to get ahead of things. I think you are underestimating how much people will use this. This weekend a Harvard MBA grad told me she uses it to get quick ideas before meetings.

People are starting to use it in place of google for everyday use. I do not think it's farfetched that guys will start making action plans based on their journals or try to get it to use GC article concepts to help them troubleshoot.

So it was worth the experiment to see how it will handle that. I think that is WAY more likely than guys using it as a chat bot to text for them. I think you need to be a software developer and use API's to even do that.

I would be careful even with definitions because it will pull from the entire internet body of seduction knowledge which is not all good.

 

[Skills]

Cocporn's link within the thread has it applying concepts to other concepts

ChatGPT for pickup theory: ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTION

Hello, fellow beauties. I have been discussing with my babe ChatGPT, and it now has the ability to remember from thread-to-thread (or, I guess they call them "chats", but you know what I mean). I have been lobbing ideas back and forth for something I am working on that is related to pickup...

www.skilledseducer.com

I don't know who got banned but some guy posted his game plan that teevster replied on "that's how you make a plan!" And I thought the guy was well versed in NLP or something and turns out it was just AI. Maybe same guy

These tools are extremely new. I there are not many examples yet and the policy is meant to get ahead of things. I think you are underestimating how much people will use this. This weekend a Harvard MBA grad told me she uses it to get quick ideas before meetings.

People are starting to use it in place of google for everyday use. I do not think it's farfetched that guys will start making action plans based on their journals or try to get it to use GC article concepts to help them troubleshoot.

So it was worth the experiment to see how it will handle that. I think that is WAY more likely than guys using it as a chat bot to text for them. I think you need to be a software developer and use API's to even do that.

I would be careful even with definitions because it will pull from the entire internet body of seduction knowledge which is not all good.

oh wowow! i did not even click on those retarded posts, that is why i did not remember, i don't know if cocporn was trolling.... If he was not jesus!

 

[Teevster]

Again nobody is going to do post or summaries from ai..... Show me were in this skillseducerforum that has happened??

I think one new guy did it, and it got banned right away (and he did not even meant to do it for what i understand)

There were a few - but yes you are right, there has not been too many yet. Actually shockingly few which is amazing.

Remember this post is not meant to discuss a current problem but rather to avoid one. There is a preventive nature to all this. Why? Because it will not take you long to see how much the internet has been flooded with crap content these last 2 years.

Also fyi - no new official members hav been banned to date for gen AI use.

I use the term "official member" here as some newly registrered accounts have been caught by the spamfilter - new members who post overly spammy AI-generated trash getting caught up by the spamfilter awaiting approval. And let me just say that in 95% of the time, if not more, the spamfilter is right. And it is not because of having used gen-AI they got banned (altough they likely used it) but for spamming.

You do not get to see it because there are people here who keep the place clean

-Teevster

 

[POB]

Didn't have time to read everything, but as I skimmed through, it's pretty clear nobody believes this iteration of AI is good for nuanced human interactions.

Like using a steel hammer to sculpt Michelangelo's David.
You can use it to get started on the block of stone, but it's not the right tool to finesse any detail of the piece.

For work though, is a very handy tool...if you already have some knowledge of the subject you are working with.

 

[gameboy]

Looks like the scams are already starting...