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I met her (hbBadass) at a bookstore yesterday: https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/skippys-daygame-journal.21957/page-7#post-131450

Girl 2: hbBadass
She's receptive, and starts talking about what she knows about the book. So I say "oh you seem to know a lot about the personal development books " I go into how this book reminds me of Mark Manson's book "subtle art of not giving a f*ck". She's like "OHH yea I've heard about that book"

She mentions how she likes paperback books over online, and then I point to Jay shetty's face and say how "I heard this guy is a joke though" and how he plagiarizes his quotes and never was actually a monk.

Her: I heard some story about how he met his girlfriend [tells story]
Me: Oh so that's a really round about story
Her: cuz you focus on your life and whatever else that comes

She talks about how his videos pop up on her feed and so I describe how he talks about how life is not linear, which I agree with.

Spoiler: Multi-dimensionality of time

I ask the golden question (now that she's cut out social media). She says reading and I transition to asking her what self-development books or authors is she familiar with or reads. She's read Breaking the habit of being you, and another book on how to be a good parent (she's not a parent) but she's using it to 'parent' herself and she's really into personal growth.

She mentions how violence (in parenting) is never the answer. Here the conversation takes a slightly dark turn

Me: Oh yea I feel like with Asian households, violence is a common form of discipline
Her; yea my parents didn't do it because they wanted to but they did it because that's how they were taught to show love

I say I would never use it to discipline after seeing what it can do, growing up, and how it's a cycle where parents were raised that way so each generation gets less and less 'violent'. but honestly, I didn't want to go down this conversational route. Usually, the details are only something I talk about post-sex to show vulnerability. I shouldn't have even continued that thread.

But anyway the convo changes to where our families are from. Her family is from an obscure region in China and her family speaks another dialect (not Mandarin, and not Cantonese) although she can speak Cantonese. She's shocked that I know of that dialect. And I just play it off saying it's a long story (in truth, it involves my ex). She doesn't ask details but she's definitely super surprised.

She asks where my family is from and the topic transitions to Asian cities. So I say how you really feel alive when you travel to these places, even the simple things like ac and a cool drink are much more enjoyable.

I suss out what her logistics are and she's just browsing for books but her friends are shopping and she's going to meet up with them later. So I tell her I'd like to continue this conversation later. She adds her number in my phone and then has me text her to make sure she got my number and then she sends me a text to make sure it goes through.

We talk for another 5-10 minutes during which I tap into childhood nostalgia by asking her what books she grew up reading in elementary school (we're in a bookstore after-all) I try and figure out more logistics by asking her where she lives and tell her where I live and actually she doesn't come by to my district too often because parking there is a bitch. This is the first chick I've met who drives around. Otherwise she lives way too far to actually do anything. My plan is to get her to come to my district by telling her I know where she can get parking. I know of a parking lot behind my apartment that's usually empty, just, we're not allowed to park overnight which shouldn't be an issue.

I end it by saying I'm going to go browse the books on the upper floor and tell her I'll text her and we can get a coffee sometime.

Thoughts​

I only did 2 approaches, and I was hoping to do 1-2 more. I did chat up a girl at the bus stop, but I wasn't attracted to her. With the second girl, I feel like it was just easy to talk to her because she was so talkative and receptive. But I didn't do any reality pacing or really anything...I did build social frame quite decently, I think, and a little bit of emotional stimulation when I brought back the nostalgia of childhood books. In terms of sexual arousal...I think that might've been a weak point. Because to be quite honest, I wasn't actively subcommunicating sexual subcoms. My eye contact was okay, and my voice was unregulated...so it probably wasn't enough. But I also, felt like she was really into me, so I didn't really try to do much.

This morning she sent me this text out of the blue --before I even sent her an icebreaker--we did text each other our names to make sure we had each others numbers(she initiated that) but I didn't even send her a proper ice breaker

Her: Hey Skippy! I'm not sure if you're still up to grab coffee and chat sometime. If not, that's completely fine! I'm glad we got to talk briefly yesterday and I wish you the best on your journey!! If you are I'm up for it as well! However I would like to ask beforehand, are the intentions to talk and get to know each other as friends or as possibly more than friends? I ask this because I'm not going to put myself in a situationship. I'm fine with it being as friends as well as something more. Either or doesn't matter, just not a situation ship cuz I don't do that. Ahahahaha. so yeah!


Definition (situationship): An undefined relationship. I just learned that word today haha

I feel like if I just come out and say something more than friends, it'll kill the intrigue, but at the same time she's basically saying the intrigue is eating way at her. And the fact that she sent such a long text, initiated, and said she was 'open to more' shows high interest on her part. Even when exchanging numbers she made sure I texted her so that we had each others numbers.

So does anyone have insights on the situation or suggestions on how to answer this?
 
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Address her concerns warmly, let her know that at this point you think she is cool or whatever, that you’re open to seeing where things go, but right now you’d just like to get to know her. And that you’d rather address it all in person over coffee.

Something along those lines..

Perhaps somebody more senior can chime in, but that’s what I’d do
 

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the fact she's actively looking to define the relationship is great. high sign of interest.

even if you tell her you dont want to be friends, that still leaves a multitude of options to maintain the mystery:

1. ONS
2. FWB
3. Boyfriend/Girlfriend
4. Business Partners

The key here is to avoid boxing yourself into a category.. i would say something like:

Her: Hey Skippy! I'm not sure if you're still up to grab coffee and chat sometime. If not, that's completely fine! I'm glad we got to talk briefly yesterday and I wish you the best on your journey!! If you are I'm up for it as well! However I would like to ask beforehand, are the intentions to talk and get to know each other as friends or as possibly more than friends? I ask this because I'm not going to put myself in a situationship. I'm fine with it being as friends as well as something more. Either or doesn't matter, just not a situation ship cuz I don't do that. Ahahahaha. so yeah!
Skippy: possibly more than friends....as long as there is chemistry. there's no pressure, though. lets grab coffee and see what we can figure out together :) sound good?

OR

Her: Hey Skippy! I'm not sure if you're still up to grab coffee and chat sometime. If not, that's completely fine! I'm glad we got to talk briefly yesterday and I wish you the best on your journey!! If you are I'm up for it as well! However I would like to ask beforehand, are the intentions to talk and get to know each other as friends or as possibly more than friends? I ask this because I'm not going to put myself in a situationship. I'm fine with it being as friends as well as something more. Either or doesn't matter, just not a situation ship cuz I don't do that. Ahahahaha. so yeah!
Skippy: I'm open to anything - as long as its not a situationship. lets grab coffee and see what we can figure out together :) sound good?
 

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Thanks guys! I texted her just now
Me: possibly more than friends....as long as there is chemistry. there's no pressure, though. lets grab coffee and see what we can figure out together :) sound good?
Update:
Her: Thank you for your honesty. I appreciate it! Yeah, that sounds like a plan. The only thing is that with my schedule this week, I won't be free until around 7pm except for Sunday. I don't know if that will work with your schedule??
 
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ok one thing .. how did she know that this could possibly be lead to a relationship or whatever ?

i don't understand lol , he just talked to her about books and that's it

or parenting or family or even her langauge

nowhere in their interaction did @Skippy flirt with her ( unless he left out some small detail ) and neither did she flirt with him

so, how .. just how !

P.S : really hope i am not overthinking it. I will get into approaching girls near the seaside after my exams, during the semester break ( just hope i will get through it all , i made a promise to @Beck Bass today about becoming badass at daygame ! )
 

Skippy

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ok one thing .. how did she know that this could possibly be lead to a relationship or whatever ?

i don't understand lol , he just talked to her about books and that's it

or parenting or family or even her langauge
I mean when you put it like that, it does seem like quite a mystery, doesn't it? lol

nowhere in their interaction did @Skippy flirt with her ( unless he left out some small detail ) and neither did she flirt with him
Yea I've cut out any overly witty banter or flirting in that sense. This all depends on what system you want to use. One thing is I was in an amazing state just from an earlier approach where a really cute girl validated my ego. But also, sometimes it's the girl herself who's really in a receptive state. Partly why I was not doing much was because she struck me as super receptive anyway. So I just mainly wanted to build Social Frame and get her out on a date. While she wasn't overtly flirting either, she was continuing the convo, asking me questions, getting emotionally reactive to whatever I would say etc... so that already showed interest on her part. And I would make sure to lightly emotionally stimulate her(eg describing the cities, talking about nostalgia) And finally, just inviting someone to grab a coffee is a potentially romantic gesture.

She wasn't sure what the deal was anyway.

And actually @Yaxir your post helped me realize something about my own process. At the moment, I just try to meet the girl and isolate her (whether it's through an instant date or a date), so I try to build up social frame and emotional stimulation (with only light sexual arousal). I only focus on setting "intent"/"premise" on the actual date and that's also where I try to build sexual arousal. Not saying this is the correct way to go about it, but it's just something I've noticed myself doing.

P.S : really hope i am not overthinking it. I will get into approaching girls near the seaside after my exams, during the semester break ( just hope i will get through it all , i made a promise to @Beck Bass today about becoming badass at daygame ! )
Yea don't worry too much about it right now (you will definitely get there if you put in the time), but for now just start approaching girls and do the basic drills for approach anxiety
 

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And actually @Yaxir your post helped me realize something about my own process. At the moment, I just try to meet the girl and isolate her (whether it's through an instant date or a date), so I try to build up social frame and emotional stimulation (with only light sexual arousal). I only focus on setting "intent"/"premise" on the actual date and that's also where I try to build sexual arousal. Not saying this is the correct way to go about it, but it's just something I've noticed myself doing.
glad i was able to help with my tendency to do intense analysis lol

it's kind of who i am, asking questions and looking into the precise details

i just promised everyone that i'm supposed to act and not ask anymore questions, i would like to ask.. where can i read more on social frames and this ' emotional stimulation (with only light sexual arousal) ' that you talk about

do the basic drills for approach anxiety
are these listed on the forum somewhere ?

thanks skippy
 

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glad i was able to help with my tendency to do intense analysis lol

it's kind of who i am, asking questions and looking into the precise details
Yes, I understand, I can be like that too. A good rule of thumb is to just not think about something until you actually consistently run into that problem infield. I've found it helps me when I get too mired up in analysis.

i just promised everyone that i'm supposed to act and not ask anymore questions, i would like to ask.. where can i read more on social frames and this ' emotional stimulation (with only light sexual arousal) ' that you talk about
This would be Gunwitch's system. You can get started here
(probably this one too)
https://www.girlschase.com/content/gunwitch-basics-seduction-mma-podcast

are these listed on the forum somewhere ?
Well for example there's the newbie assignment and Bacchus's prerequisite. You can also make your own as you see fit. In my case, once I went around asking people for the time, then progressed to just asking for directions, then progressed to asking for directions+giving a compliment+ejecting. Then progressed to giving a compliment+ejecting. That was back when I was using direct openers. I don't use those right now, but hopefully, this gives you an idea of how you can get started.
 

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I practice honesty. Regardless girls generally will go along with what i am actually looking for. Im not gonna close the door or the potential of a monogamous relationship. I’m also not thinking too much about pairing up, and I’m honest about that. Most men and women are kinda wondering around cluelessly not knowing what they want. Most of us are just sure we want something.
 

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Updates: So I can't schedule anything with her this week because I have to leave town for a family emergency. And now she won't stop texting me paragraphs...I'm trying to match her enthusiasm to prevent her from going into auto-rejection but...I'd prefer to slow things down so that it doesn't kill the intrigue, maybe have another text convo in 4-5 days and then schedule things closer to when I get back (in about 10 days).

Me: hey sorry for the late reply! I was trying to figure out my schedule because it looks like I have a family emergency to attend to :/ I'll be in [place] for the next 7-10 days...so how about we make plans when I get back instead.

Her: That's okay! oh no. That's rough...How are you doing. if you don't mind me asking? I don't know how serious the situation is, but I send you and your family good and positive vibes!! And yea. That works with me! If you'd some time to rest after coming back, that's fine as well!

Me: Thanks for understanding :) yea I'm doing alright. [basically explain the situation in a nutshell but I don't go into details] It sure is a scramble to plan everything last minute though

Her: Of course Oh dang...Thank you for sharing with me! I hope everything turns out okay! If there's anything in my capability to do to support, let me know. I'm here to listen! I'm glad that you're going to visit though. It's definitely gonna be chaotic since it's last minute, but it'll definitely be worth it in the end. Wouldn't want to live a life with regrets of things we didn't do when we have the chance. Have y'all decided when y'all are leaving

Me: Thanks that's really sweet of you :) yea so the plan is...[tells her travel plan] it's really a mess [perspiration emoji] but I agree it's definitely important to live a life without regrets.

(here I wanted to change the subject and I realized since she was asking me questions, I should balance it out a little and ask her a question)

Me: How was the rest of your outing yesterday? Hope you guys got to sample some good food at [mall]
~The next day~

Her: Grand rising! Ahaha. I'm just doing what I can [laughing crying emoji] Ahhh. Good luck with your errands tomorrow! You got it under control. Oooo, have a safe flight to [places]
Her: How was the rest of your night? were you able to finish your errands and grocery shopping?
Her: It was fine! my friends ended up getting some drinks by the fountain while I kept browsing for books [sideways lauging crying emoji] After that, we went to trader joes, but they were out of pickle flavored chips so I was a bit sad. Ahahah. It's the third one I've been to and they've all been sold out. Oooo. I think we had some [food] from [mall]?? There was a shop I wanted to go, but I forgot about it so we left [sideways laughing crying emoji]

Me: haha yes, I ended up going to the trader Joe's as well but that's the first time I'm hearing about pickle flavored chips! sounds like Sunday was one big adventure for you :)

Her: Oooo, do you like pickles?? If you do, OMFG.... I definitely recommend them. They're sooooo good!! [yum emoji] First time I had it, I unexpectedly finished it the same night. Not the healthiest.... But they were gone before I knew it [laughing crying emoji] Ahahhaha. Sunday was a big adventure! I was tired when I got home. Because of that, I was originally going to relax and rest up yesterday cuz I had the day off, but I ended up getting lunch and visiting a friend at her work place. Ahahaha. Hmmm. Would you consider yourself as an introvert, ambivert, or extrovert? [strokes chin emoji]

So yea sounds like she really really wants to text. I'm trying to figure out how to handle her enthusiasm in a way that doesn't kill her intrigue. And kind of put her on a slow-burn for the next week and a half. And also do it without sending her into auto-rejection. Because I could just keep responding to her texts slower and not add any energy to them and also not ask any extra questions but...I feel like she would subtly pick up on that.

I'm thinking of dropping something like "ohh that's a long story, I'll tell you all about it when I get back". or adding some other open loops
 
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after the girl is hooked, i keep the conversational thread going but only reply once or twice every 1-2 days. thats the sweet spot. ive tested 3 days... but it can be a little bit too long and cause disinterest

slowing down your replies like this will drive her crazy waiting to hear back from you...it will also help pass the time till you two can fuck...and there is no worry of losing her, in fact if anything she might just complain - especially if you draw massive amounts of tension into the conversation

looks like shes being quite social right now. you could continue this thread and then transition into more of an emotional topic later, closer to the days before its time to start make plans with her.

could look something like this, roughly:
05/19
Skippy:
what do you think i am?
Her: ummmm idk i think extrovert?
05/20
Skippy:
you think so? :O
Her: yeah i mean when we met you seemed outgoing blabla walls of text
05/22
Skippy:
i always hear that... the truth is ive changed a bit over the years
Her: what do you mean?
05/23
Skippy:
part 1 of emotional stimulator
Her: blabla
05/25
Skippy:
part 2 of emo stim
Her: blabla
 

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Updates: So I can't schedule anything with her this week because I have to leave town for a family emergency. And now she won't stop texting me paragraphs...I'm trying to match her enthusiasm to prevent her from going into auto-rejection but...I'd prefer to slow things down so that it doesn't kill the intrigue, maybe have another text convo in 4-5 days and then schedule things closer to when I get back (in about 10 days).



So yea sounds like she really really wants to text. I'm trying to figure out how to handle her enthusiasm in a way that doesn't kill her intrigue. And kind of put her on a slow-burn for the next week and a half. And also do it without sending her into auto-rejection. Because I could just keep responding to her texts slower and not add any energy to them and also not ask any extra questions but...I feel like she would subtly pick up on that.

I'm thinking of dropping something like "ohh that's a long story, I'll tell you all about it when I get back". or adding some other open loops

I have a different take, when i had "live in" i had to keep women interested and from dropping off, if you keep texting you will invest her more, vs the being calculating... Dude i had women go totally nuts in love from just texting...
 

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after the girl is hooked, i keep the conversational thread going but only reply once or twice every 1-2 days. thats the sweet spot. ive tested 3 days... but it can be a little bit too long and cause disinterest

slowing down your replies like this will drive her crazy waiting to hear back from you...it will also help pass the time till you two can fuck...and there is no worry of losing her, in fact if anything she might just complain - especially if you draw massive amounts of tension into the conversation
Noted on slowing down my responses. And just to clarify, do you match( or 'verge'?) the energy and enthusiasm that she gives off or is it pretty much exactly as you typed out in the example, even if she's sending a wall of text with lots of emoji's and exclamation marks. For example, I tried to add a few more exclamation marks than I usually do, and text a slightly longer reply than I normally would.

I have a different take, when i had "live in" i had to keep women interested and from dropping off, if you keep texting you will invest her more, vs the being calculating... Dude i had women go totally nuts in love from just texting...
Oh okay, currently my texting is very barebones, only logistics, but I realize I haven't used a more drawn out style, so I will field test this more with girls that I can't meet anytime soon, now that you brought it up.
 

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Noted on slowing down my responses. And just to clarify, do you match( or 'verge'?) the energy and enthusiasm that she gives off or is it pretty much exactly as you typed out in the example, even if she's sending a wall of text with lots of emoji's and exclamation marks. For example, I tried to add a few more exclamation marks than I usually do, and text a slightly longer reply than I normally would.
i dont match it with extra exclamation marks and longer replies. i match her energy and enthusiasm with a highly impactful text. that can take the form of a sentence or two. get her sending those walls of text while youre barely saying nothing, but youre still in an attainability sweet spot. you know?

i will definitely try to be more personal when her enthusiasm is high and ive left her on read for a few days. being less formal, using an emoji are examples of that.
 

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Honestly “define the relationship” and you met her yesterday.

its a shit test, and if you even intimate you want more than friends, or you want to bang her she’ll go cold and you’ll never see her again.

I’m prob too late here but just laugh it off, “whoa girl, I’m not that type of boy, it’s just friends”

then proceed as usual.
 

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Honestly “define the relationship” and you met her yesterday.

its a shit test, and if you even intimate you want more than friends, or you want to bang her she’ll go cold and you’ll never see her again.

I’m prob too late here but just laugh it off, “whoa girl, I’m not that type of boy, it’s just friends”

then proceed as usual.
Why shoot yourself in the foot and friendzone yourself? That's bullshit.....

A REAL MAN knows what he wants and goes after it. If she's not interested then Fuck it...There is another woman around the corner who is....

A REAL MAN doesn't have time for girls who want to make him jump through hoops...

A REAL MAN has a lot of things going on in his life and is on a track. She is welcome to come along for the ride and the train is leaving the station....

Remember the origins of this site...Making girl's chase....so you lead...
 

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Why shoot yourself in the foot and friendzone yourself? That's bullshit.....

A REAL MAN knows what he wants and goes after it. If she's not interested then Fuck it...There is another woman around the corner who is....

A REAL MAN doesn't have time for girls who want to make him jump through hoops...

A REAL MAN has a lot of things going on in his life and is on a track. She is welcome to come along for the ride and the train is leaving the station....

Remember the origins of this site...Making girl's chase....so you lead...
It’s not bullshit at all.

saying you’re interested in anything more than friends is basically a DLV.

she has to EARN your interest, and at this stage she hasn’t so saying you want any more than friends places her above you from an SMV / evo / bio perspective

telling her out of the gate you’re intimately interested isn’t leading, it’s simping.

go back to basics, read mystery method and learn what you’re doing.

game 101 is ignoring the target whilst DHV ing.

start there

Good luck!
 

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@PalmaSailor dude! Saying you're interested in being friends sets a platonic tone, sets the wrong expectations, changes the dynamic as you're not actively going for what you want and looks as if you're hiding behind the masquerade of friends. This risks putting yourself square in the friend zone.

This isn't to say you need to be direct and tell her that you want her or define a relationship, as you've stated this puts her value up and sets yourself as the chaser. This fails the shit test instantly.

The ambiguous response of not directly saying friends or lovers gives you plausible deniability, keeps you in the lead position and creates the mystery. The idea of being open, with the right girl gives the scope that she needs to qualify herself to be the girl in that position.

Let's see if there's chemistry, let's see how things go, it's dancing about the question and if she's interested she'll turn up. No pretense of hiding behind friendship, not straight up giving away your intentions. This gets her out/gets you to meet up
 

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@PalmaSailor dude! Saying you're interested in being friends sets a platonic tone, sets the wrong expectations, changes the dynamic as you're not actively going for what you want and looks as if you're hiding behind the masquerade of friends. This risks putting yourself square in the friend zone.

This isn't to say you need to be direct and tell her that you want her or define a relationship, as you've stated this puts her value up and sets yourself as the chaser. This fails the shit test instantly.

The ambiguous response of not directly saying friends or lovers gives you plausible deniability, keeps you in the lead position and creates the mystery. The idea of being open, with the right girl gives the scope that she needs to qualify herself to be the girl in that position.

Let's see if there's chemistry, let's see how things go, it's dancing about the question and if she's interested she'll turn up. No pretense of hiding behind friendship, not straight up giving away your intentions. This gets her out/gets you to meet up
Well it’s up to you.

Play it how you see fit and see how it ends up.

if you don’t neg her at this stage she’ll lose interest and walk.
 
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