Special Girl Great set, great early texting, she ghosts

[Will_V]

My friend, the problem here is that she's giving you virtually no interest and showing zero compliance.

When was the last time she asked you a question or showed interest in finding out more about you?

Let's look at the last 2 times you asked for compliance. First, you asked her out directly. Her response? "Okay we'll be in touch then". This is completely ignoring the question in an almost insulting way, sounds like a bureaucrat from a government office. That kind of response to an offer of my valuable time is worthy of cutting contact altogether, for me.

Second time you asked for compliance (indirectly): You said "I would like to find out" which is a clear offer of interest and investment. She didn't even bother to respond with a recognizable word. And then you followed up with "If that's cool". Which almost comes off like excusing yourself for your interest.

At this point, you are chasing hard, and she's giving you not a drop.

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You say texting girls is difficult, it's not. Chase's method is very simple: basically just show a bit of consideration, like asking about how her weekend went, and then setting up the date. The thing is that she already must be interested in you. And interest can't really be generated over text, it must have been done from the get go. That's why Chase and all the other reputable PUA guys emphasize making the most of the interaction, asking for the date during that interaction, and using the phone just to set it up.

What's more, whenever you ask for compliance from a girl and she doesn't give it to you, your 'value' takes a big hit. And it takes very few hits to destroy the value generated by a short personal interaction and a few texts. That's why every shot counts when you are trying to get women into your frame.

I will say one more thing: when you put yourself in a situation of chasing a woman, as a man, your self-esteem goes down hard. Here's you, a strong, capable man with shit to do and an exciting life, chasing a silly little woman around who doesn't give you the time of day. How is that going to make you feel? You need to enforce your boundaries for your own peace of mind and self respect.

At this point, honestly? I would say "I can see this is going nowhere, thought we had some chemistry .. hope you two have fun together " end of story. If she chases me, fine, if not, too bad for her, onto the next one.

 

[Skjöldr]

@Will_V she asked questions about me before the last few ones i posted here, our conversation was way longer than that.

Also you don't seem to understand this situation that well so some of your advice misses

 

[Velasco]

The thing is that she already must be interested in you

She was. That's why I was giving him advice. If I thought it was pointless, I'd have not bothered. He ruined it. Skills likes phoenix too same as me. It's my fault for assuming he can read cues the same way as someone whose been doing this longer would. Without that ability, this was doomed from the get go.

 

[Skjöldr]

It's no shocker this girl is low compliance but i don't know what to say to her when she goes "Mhh". I'm all ears if you have something good i could send. I was polarizing her to make a decision. I'm down for shooting a hail mary to her. Check out what i said before. I can either ghost her or shoot her some ball in her court text. What do you suggest?

@Will_V i met her 2.5 weeks ago in person with ups and downs

 

[Skjöldr]

All this "cant change her mind over text" is making me omegakek because since i stopped thinking like that and got better at texting my results improved. No offence to Chase but his minimalist text advice, that is, open to close in the same text that is 5-10 lines long is horrendous.

 

[Velasco]

"I thought we were done playing games here."

Call out her bullshit.

Dont give me, "but you said..." under THIS context, yes call it out. This is intuition

 

[Skjöldr]

"I thought we were done playing games here."

Call out her bullshit.

Dont give me, "but you said..." under THIS context, yes call it out. This is intuition

So
Her: I don't think it is for him
Me: I thought we were done playing games here
?

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More info: She did say Monday she had started seeing a new dude (remember this girl insists only one dude at a time)
Context:

Her: Blah blah blah you don't have to burn all your bridges and im also seeing someone a little bit so we can meet and get to know eachother as friends and dismiss the others if it goes well
Me: blah blah blah i dont like the sound of friends, let's say.... Curious seekers..
Her: Hahaha okay then

That was monday^ right before she gives me the "no" to the "can you do tuesday/wednesday?"

 

[Velasco]

In future please provide all texts so I have enough context to fully understand the situation instead of making assumptions based off text snippets. I know it's a hassle to write it all for guys. Hope girlschase can get rid of this rule. Not up to me.

 

[Skjöldr]

In future please provide all texts so I have enough context to fully understand the situation instead of making assumptions based off text snippets. I know it's a hassle to write it all for guys. Hope girlschase can get rid of this rule. Not up to me.

Yes it is my bad, i apologize for that. I can see that it makes helping harder. It's not always easy when i'm on the fly and on my phone, also i have to translate it text by text. That's why i give the context of the past few texts leading up to my issue, all the other fluff i didn't see as that important, as it is mostly just flirting back and forth. So i give what i view as the necessary context, also to not make a huge post. However, it is ungrateful to ask others to spend time on helping you, when you don't give your own time to paint the full picture.

 

[Will_V]

She was. That's why I was giving him advice. If I thought it was pointless, I'd have not bothered. He ruined it. Skills likes phoenix too same as me. It's my fault for assuming he can read cues the same way as someone whose been doing this longer would. Without that ability, this was doomed from the get go.

I agree, I think she liked him too, although I think he made a fatal mistake of not handling her friends negative input about him. I actually thought she might have been leading him on after that, having her friend accusing you of stalking after a cold approach isn't something to ignore. He should have played it very cool and shown the right kind of attainability after that.

@Phoenix here's my take: her friend thinks you're a stalker and now you're chasing her hard and she's almost ignoring you. A takeaway (that shows your appreciation of her but also your boundaries) is the only thing I think has the slightest (though very low) chance.

I think it was a bad idea to get oneitis before compliance. In my opinion that's a very negative and dangerous place to be for your self esteem. It is good for a man to train himself to only take seriously women who show a good level of interest, and to enjoy her investment, compliance and submission as if it were reflective of her beauty, lest he end up running around after women who have already moved on.

 

[Skjöldr]

So now that she is seeing this dude, my idea is to just text her "You know the procedure " which is throwing it in her court. She is seeing this new dude and last time she discarded a dude she got back in touch she will know what i reference to. If she asks what the procedure is i will tell her

 

[Skjöldr]

@Will_V
I already handled the friend thing almost 2 weeks ago

 

[Skjöldr]

And she's only being low investment now. There have been times where she have been very invested, like Monday before she sent the "no" text and even today, asking me questions about yesterday and today

 

[Skjöldr]

Which is why she's so hard to read and im tempted to just send her the polarizing text to make her make a decision. Tell her i don't like playing games and if she wants to get in touch after discarding this dude then cool and if she doesn't it's also cool.

 

[Will_V]

@Will_V
I already handled the friend thing almost 2 weeks ago

If you are flying a plane and the wheels fall off, you won't know until you try to land it.

Did you notice she started shit testing you right after, demanding you don't see other girls even though you hadn't even dated? That was already a massive sign of disrespect. What girl (who you describe as being very hot) is going to actually be that interested after such a bumpy start? She really just wanted to start pushing buttons and grabbing frame, because she probably liked you a bit and wanted to know what was up. So she asked from you something no self respecting dude would give.

Ever since then she has seized the frame, given you only enough to keep your attention, and gone off with some other dude.

My friend, I sympathize with you, we've all been there, trust me. But at this point its like a salesman trying to sell a house on fire. It's time to find sweet, compliant girls who will happily give you what you want without too much effort, and work on your game.

 

[Skjöldr]

If you are flying a plane and the wheels fall off, you won't know until you try to land it.

Did you notice she started shit testing you right after, demanding you don't see other girls even though you hadn't even dated? That was already a massive sign of disrespect. What girl (who you describe as being very hot) is going to actually be that interested after such a bumpy start? She really just wanted to start pushing buttons and grabbing frame, because she probably liked you a bit and wanted to know what was up. So she asked from you something no self respecting dude would give.

Ever since then she has seized the frame, given you only enough to keep your attention, and gone off with some other dude.

My friend, I sympathize with you, we've all been there, trust me. But at this point its like a salesman trying to sell a house on fire. It's time to find sweet, compliant girls who will happily give you what you want without too much effort, and work on your game.

Thats why i sent the strategic weakness text suggested by Velasco. And she actually relented on it, if you read through the rest of the thread. Alot of it simply isn't applicable to this situation, but i understand what you are saying. It just isn't this situation.

 

[Skills]

All this "cant change her mind over text" is making me omegakek because since i stopped thinking like that and got better at texting my results improved. No offence to Chase but his minimalist text advice, that is, open to close in the same text that is 5-10 lines long is horrendous.

Yes I have debunked this to death in fairness there are many guys that unfortunately have 0 written charisma, so they are better off doing that... Peter remember when I told you and it got misunderstood about brent my point really was you need to incorporate in your texting punishment of bad behavior, I do this by using radio silences this will at times produce the same result as soft nexting follow by a ping... I still conflicted in that with the ig stuff you may have had come across as shady... my ig strategy is with the goal on pre sex not be competing on ig, but when girls find me on social media other than post sex obviously I approved them cause if not this is what happens kind of.

 

[Skjöldr]

Update:

Me: You know the procedure
Her: I do? What's the procedure?
Me: Just text me when he blows it If you're still interested. If i'm also interested and available at that time then we can figure out something!
Her: Thanks you're so sweet! That's a deal, but we can still text/keep contact in the mean time

I don't really wanna keep contact with her. I don't see the point in being her pen pal if she's hindered to meet up. She only gets my attention when she meets up with me. I just don't know how to say it to her in the right way....

 

[Velasco]

Excellent. now I'm team phoenix again

you write:

the sweetest *emoji with the blushing* However I think its best when you are with someone to invest your time in that person and not be focused on others. and i don't want to spoil that for you. so you do your thing and imma do my thing

 

[Skjöldr]

Excellent. now I'm team phoenix again

you write:

the sweetest *emoji with the blushing* However I think its best when you are with someone to invest your time in that person and not be focused on others. and i don't want to spoil that for you. so you do your thing and imma do my thing

Yeah like i wanna show her auto-rejection, that i'm slipping away from her, but not in a "you're unattainable because you're better than me" type of way but more like "my patience is exhausted and i'm pulling back"