How are my stats?

[Swati]

I think in the western world if you don't lay on the 1st then something went wrong given it's 1 on 1, but I'm surprised you were able to manage that many girl from online. I'm sure you crack the algorithm in some ways

 

[Water]

Yes about 90%... Same with night game if you see her on a date,.. I did a post called how to run a date 101 with realistic stats .. hard part is to get women out on a date no the date if run properly...

Did not know that, my non-online lay-to-date ratio is probably below 80%. Didn’t know it was a sticking point until now.

Date Plans - The complete guide on How to date - Dating dynamics 101

Why listen to me on this, well i was never good at dating, i would either do ons or long texting (second gen/grandmaster) setting up sexual encounters or i would replicate what happened in the club a second time by doing a club date (since I am the highest value guy in the dance floor made...

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Found your post on dates.

Thanks.

 

[Water]

I think in the western world if you don't lay on the 1st then something went wrong given it's 1 on 1, but I'm surprised you were able to manage that many girl from online. I'm sure you crack the algorithm in some ways

Gotta agree.

@empath the number of dates you went on is impressive. have you ever outlined your approach to online game?

if you’re not spending hours on the app spamming messages then I think you did crack the first big hurdle of online game, getting attractive girls to meet up.

 

[Skills]

Yes empah i would love to know how you got so many dates... Seriously..

 

[empath]

Gotta agree.

@empath the number of dates you went on is impressive. have you ever outlined your approach to online game?

if you’re not spending hours on the app spamming messages then I think you did crack the first big hurdle of online game, getting attractive girls to meet up.

Nope I have never been able to put a process.

My dates and texting is pretty much random.

Though I have high level feel of what I am doing which I will outline in a below post.

Probably if you guys ask me specific question then I can also figure it out.

 

[empath]

No... run the date properly..

Gotcha.

 

[empath]

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Depending on accurate your feel is for it and how much free time you have for dates, I would personally try to lay every attractive girl I can get on a date, unless she‘s explicitly shown something unappealing like super religious and saving for marriage or something that indicates a ton of lmr.

Im definitely not an online game guy personally, but my lay rate was, I think between 85-90%, below 90%. Not good probably.

Just a note, I did have a lot of dates that started at my place or her place and we never left or the date was set at my place or her place and we had sex within an hour of meeting, fastest was 15 minutes ish.

Maybe setting dates to be at your place? 2 hours at the bar seems possible that a dtf girl could change her mind if you mess up, if you can start a date at your place or have the date at your place then do so, if you can’t then do the bar date.

Generally there is high resistance to setting dates at home.

Girls think you want to do a hook up.

Out of those 35 dates I was able to set 2 dates at home but they did not yielded anything.

 

[empath]

Just to note, if she’s hot enough, I’d try to lay the girl regardless of obstacles or chances of laying them.

That’s just my personal opinion / belief about the topic though.

Theres always a chance you’ll succeed, and if not, either way you’ll learn something and can improve upon the experience.

Yeah this has been me till now.

 

[empath]

@Skills, @Water and @Swati

So I manage to get 4 new matches every week.

Now my ever conversation is random.

But I think I am preety good at bantering.

I try for the date on the same day for match.

I push aggressively for idea of us being together doing something fun and adventourous.

But not exactly setting up the date.

Once its firm then I go for checking schedule indirectly.

Like what is she upto, busy in work or something.

Then depending on the convo I try to exchange number or set up a date on the same night of next day.

Whatever show I am watching or seduction related article I'm reading influences my conversation with her.

Also, I try to build a lot of mystery about me.

So yeah basically soft close and hard close.

In case I manage not get date and conversation dies.

I just ping them randomly in next 3-4 days.

If she is replying fast this means she is bored and down to meeting.

Also, I try to guage what her interest are and activity she like and push for us doing it together.

I could have probably gotten 10-15 more dates.

But either I botched the convos or was not able to meet due to being busy.

Or they deleted account.

Lastly, if banter was good but if she dont want to meet then I just tell them in a way I mihjt disappear.

So this forced them to decide what they want.

I

 

[Skills]

@Skills, @Water and @Swati

So I manage to get 4 new matches every week.

Now my ever conversation is random.

But I think I am preety good at bantering.

I try for the date on the same day for match.

I push aggressively for idea of us being together doing something fun and adventourous.

But not exactly setting up the date.

Once its firm then I go for checking schedule indirectly.

Like what is she upto, busy in work or something.

Then depending on the convo I try to exchange number or set up a date on the same night of next day.

Whatever show I am watching or seduction related article I'm reading influences my conversation with her.

Also, I try to build a lot of mystery about me.

So yeah basically soft close and hard close.

In case I manage not get date and conversation dies.

I just ping them randomly in next 3-4 days.

If she is replying fast this means she is bored and down to meeting.

Also, I try to guage what her interest are and activity she like and push for us doing it together.

I could have probably gotten 10-15 more dates.

But either I botched the convos or was not able to meet due to being busy.

Or they deleted account.

Lastly, if banter was good but if she dont want to meet then I just tell them in a way I mihjt disappear.

So this forced them to decide what they want.

I

^ lol, that is what i teach.... ok so you keep farming and farming and farming every week...

 

[empath]

^ lol, that is what i teach.... ok so you keep farming and farming and farming every week...

Yeah your and @POB texting post has good influence on my texting style

I had initially tried to do a minimal texting style advocated by earlier PUAs but it didn't work that well online.

Also, not every week.

Sometimes just ping and banter.

Depends on my mood and texting speed of the girl.

Though I keep checking what she is upto then and now.

When soft close fails.

I do a lot of pacing and leading over text in case I'm in a positive mood and not invested much in conversation and bantering with girls once soft close fails.

In case I'm invested and annoyed at the girl then I just tell them they are blowing off with me. (High risk strategy imo)

Or sometimes I plan something with one girl and do it with another girl and then tell it the girl I originally planned with. (High risk strategy imo)

Getting soft close right is most tricky I guess

And, if girl is sending small text I send small text

If she sends longer than still keep them shorter, usually long ass text lead to unmatch

Getting emo/romantic over text leads to unmatch too

(Basically, she should be more into you than u in her, gets a feel from her text, I think girls sort you into clingers if you do above and unmatch)

One of the biggest sticking points for me has been carrying the same personality over the text in person

 

[empath]

^ lol, that is what i teach.... ok so you keep farming and farming and farming every week...

Ahh u mean farmimg yes.

Like why to waste an opportunity.

Either she unmatches me, blocks me or keep ignoring me.

What the worst that can happen?

 

[empath]

1 lay a month is nice!

I wouldn't worry too much about stats unless something is going wrong, then I'd go over the data and see patterns.

I'm not familiar with online at all but I know this dude who once hit 7 lays out of 7 days (a perfect week if you've ever seen HIMYM) from online.

Seemed pretty cool to me cuz I can't imagine pulling that with cold approach simply because of the burnout (I'm a big time introvert)

I'm not worried about stats per say.

But I just want to know like on level 1-10 where I stand and what to improve.

Basically now I have gotten idea to work on consistency of closing.

Like am I a beginner or low-intermediate that way.

Also, more like how mindshift happens as level of PU progresses.

 

[James D]

Like am I a beginner or low-intermediate that way.

Definitely not beginner by the looks of it.

 

[DonGately]

Once I had my online persona and first-date basics nailed down, my layrate was ~60%. Lower than some but all high-quality girls w/ looks [and brains]. I'd say it was more in that 80%+ range for 7-7.5s, but not all SDLs, many took 2 dates for me.

I prefer to avoid 'fool's mate' with girls who are really hot and I enjoy spending time with, YMMV.

 

[Water]

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Generally there is high resistance to setting dates at home.

Girls think you want to do a hook up.

Out of those 35 dates I was able to set 2 dates at home but they did not yielded anything.

Hmmm, it was easy for me, but everyone’s different, and I did this years ago so the climate of tinder and online dating has changed since.

I was also in better shape at that point, Karea said when I’m in shape, I look like a fitness model. My inbox was blowing up the first time I uploaded a shirtless pic on tinder.

The girls were dtf too, the ones I set home dates. I don’t know if I was doing anything to make that happen or if it was chance, too long ago to remember.

But most of my online dates, over half, were at my house and almost all of them ended up with sex within an hour of them arriving. As quickly as 15 minutes after arriving at her house, with zero sexual convos beforehand and not even a phone call.

Might’ve just hit up girls who were dtf and I fit their sexual preference.

 

[Water]

Gotcha.

I posted skills post about running proper dates earlier in this thread.