How do non-famous guys that get into LTRs with hot girls meet them?

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I know famous guys meet through their fame and status.
In college you see frat boys meet these women through social circle game.

I am talking about being the out of college who isn't famous or very rich (millionaire), how does he meet the attractive women to get into LTRs with? This question sounds so basic but it seems so hard. Hot women in general are hard to find. It also seems like the competition for them (especially the blonde bombshells I am into) is so intense that anyone who wants one is constantly going against the highest quality men (millionaires, famous guys, etc.).

My question is not about how a guy attracts these women and dates them, it is how does he put himself near a decent amount of these women? What cities have the hottest women? What careers/hobbies tend to draw a lot of these women?

 

[Glitch]

You pick them up

By Glitch 2014, National Poet Laureate

You pick them up the same way you pick up your groceries at the supermarket

You pick them up the same way you pick flowers in a flowershop

You pick them up the same way you pick your clothes when at the store

You pick them up the same same way you pick up a book at a bookstore

You pick them up the same way you pick yourself out of bed every morning... Oh wait they're already in your bed




You just do it

Glitch

 

[Nova]

at the bingo club, that's where all the hot babes hang out.

 

[Estate]

Frat boys are "famous people" now? Lol....

 

[Nova]

lol

 

[Estate]

Oh Pry,
Sorry, that was sort of dismissive.... but man, you are just looking in all the wrong places.
The fact that you see a frat boy on such a pedastil speaks volumes as to how you see the world.... Frat boys are nobodies.

I mean, What more can we tell you? Do you even read the articles on this site? If any of us here were famous or rich or looked like a male model or had all this status you talk about, we would never have needed to wind up here in the first place.
We have good features and bad, just like everyone else in the world and we came here and learned to do our asolute best with what we've got. I can't figure why you think you are so different that you face challenges none of us here ever have? We all have our problems.

All these threads about race and other stuff are ridiculous. We all have our challenges in life. Maybe with you you feel your heritage is different to those around you and it's a problem. For me? I'm not even American, and American culture and society is VERY hard to break when it's just not what you experienced. I went to a college where there was no such thing as a frat. So I was never a "famous" frat boy. Heck, I don't really even know what it is, it just looks like a bunch of lame "bros" getting wasted in a "men only club"... yeah, sounds awesome... not.

It's like guys who are bald saying "if only I had hair", a short guy saying "If only I was taller", and the list goes on. So what? That's not the problem.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Estate I have read your posts in the past before and it seems like you are a foreign guy in the US. On most college campuses, frat boys and athletes get the most attention and status boost. Status talks in college rather than real game alone, without it a guy can end up a sexless loser. To get the hottest girls at that particular university you are going to need it. This might not apply to all schools such as a liberal arts college or a commuter school but I am talking about a school like say Arizona St, USC, or Florida St which tend to attract a lot of hot girls. So yes, in the little world of college, frat boys from the right fraternity are almost celebrities in a way who have access to the hottest girls through mixers and events.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Estate, I think this is my chance to tell you something about American culture since I was born and raised here.

Your college did not have a fraternity which means the hot girls were accessible to guys who were social and could relate to others. In a lot of big schools outside of the Northeast (you said you lived in Boston), Greek Life is huge. Even in some of the big schools up north such as Syracuse, Greek Life has a major stranglehold on social interactions. You never really think that highly of it until there are big parties thrown where you can't attend unless you are in that fraternity or mixers with sororities (that have lots of hot girls) that put these guys into access with the hottest girls. Then there is pressure on these girls from their inner circle (the sorority itself) to date the frat boy. I wish I had realized this before I entered college but now it is a little too late.

Now in colleges that I mentioned like Florida St, University of Southern California, UCLA, or a lot of these big schools with huge sports programs, Greek Life is powerful. Girls have to watch who they are around and seen with. To deny this is being naive.

My goal now is to not be that idiot who was oblivious to all of this when he hits the world after college. How to get himself into the circles which attract the hottest girls after not even having a chance with them in college because he didn't rush a fraternity.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Oh Pry,

Your posts remind me of myself so much. Not sure how old you are but I am in my mid 20s and past college. I went through the same things you are going through right now. Being a White male from a lower middle class background and going to college for the first time, I was naive about the whole Greek Life thing. The feeling of being near so many hot girls but knowing that there is this invisible barrier between you and them because you are not a part of their circle. Just the feeling you get knowing that no matter how much you improve your looks, game, and other things, these girls are not going to touch you because of the tight stranglehold their social circles have on them. There is a reason they call college "High School 2.0".

With that said, my name is Proactivity. I read your blonde bombshells thread and have recently started dating one so I think I should share some tips with you and other males in here on how to get the hot girl you see.

Cold approach/Pickup is a bad way to do it: It can work on some above average looking girls but it does not set you apart from all the other clowns doing it. RSD Nation and other companies have made it so any big city has these PUA clowns going around giving women these pickup lines that they are annoyed by it, many will tell you to fuck off if you even approach them.

Now that we have that out of the way.

Find the niche that attracts hot girls and see what role you have in it.

Bartender?
Yoga Instructor?

Chase talked about it in his post about the best places to meet the hottest girls. Give each of these places a try. Go there, try to be involved in the scene, and don't come on too aggressively. Make sure all this PUA, Kino, and other nonsense leaves your head. Then take Chase's advice on just slowly escalating, his piece on Classroom Game might apply.

Build yourself into the kind of guy they will want to be seen with.

Get the nicest haircuts, wear clothes that fit local customs, hit the gym, and maximize your looks. You don't have to be a Mario Lopez to get the hottest girls, just try not to look like a WOW geek.

Expand your horizons (travel, try new things, etc.).

Travel to vacation spots that attract hot girls, try new hobbies, and read on cities that have the hottest girls (Miami, San Diego, Los Angeles, etc.) and go there. Put yourself in the mix. You won't meet hot girls posting on this forum all day.

My personal story.

I am in a relationship with a woman who is a good looking blonde. Not long ago I decided to get involved in a dance class because I can't dance for shit. There were at least 9 hot women in the class. First day a lot of them kinda ignored each other and there was not much socializing but as time went on I started talking to more and more people. The blonde that was first ignoring me liked how I connected with others and a few weeks down the line we had our first date. After that we went on a few more dates and spent a lot of time together. Now we are in a relationship.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Oh Pry,

My question is not about how a guy attracts these women and dates them, it is how does he put himself near a decent amount of these women? What cities have the hottest women? What careers/hobbies tend to draw a lot of these women?

Tight fundamentals, and an at least a legitimate credibility from a good source in any work you do. Chase has a great post, here. "The Guide to Getting Hot Girls (of Any Type)"

Zac

 

[Estate]

Oh Pry... ok. I get you now. There is no "greek" culture in European schools... but I mean, what you are describing is the same the world over.

So what you are saying is to look at a guy like Johnny Football dating models and if you are not Johnny Manziel then your life is doomed to failure? That's ridiculous. There is one Johnny Manziel. Sure... he's a famous college QB. He doesn't need much game... but that goes anywhere... but at Texas AM... there's what? Thousands of studnets? And only one Johnny Football... are they ALL losers?

In my school we had the "Rugby heads". Those are the equivalent of football players in the US. Big beefed up guys who play rugby and party and that's all seemingly. Sure..M they gets girls but your telling get me everyone else on my whole campus besides these 10-15 guys on the squad wound up failures? No way! If anything. .. Most of them never made it Pro and never actually studied and earned their degree or a good job. By 30 most of them are pretty much done.

We had societies too.. Some of them drew a certain type of guy and girls. They were elite. But such is life. It's the same now in my late 200 with business and networking and other social groups we'd all like to break... We won't be accepted in unless we are seem as one of those elite people. You won't change it... but you can change yourself to break the circle.

Dude... I get it... The college QB gets hot girls without even trying... life's not fair. But if your telling me none of us have a shot in life because we are not that ONE guy in our school then you'll be hit hard when real life starts.

I did fine in school. I wasn't the most popular guy ever. Nor was I a loser... I was just on good terms with everyone without being their best friend. But you're looking at it all wrong. Like called social hierarchies mean something? They mean nothing. The day you leave college you'll see it. You'll laugh wondering why you cared so much... Most of the popular guys I knew in school and college were lost the second it was over.. While the rest of us went on to live our lives and build careers.

I might not know "greek" culture well but I know the structure you're talking about. It exists in every part of life and it's only as big a deal as you make it.. and you're making it a much bigger deal than it really is.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Estate,

Depending on what college it is, what OP is describing could be that bad and real. At a lot of the bigger schools in America that attract the hottest girls, Greek Life is huge and not being a part of it can limit you. One of my friends went to Florida St, he is a good looking Latino dude (no homo) and quite outgoing too but he was sharing his experience with me. A lot of the hottest girls (8s and up) that you ran into were in sororities and unless you were in a fraternity, you really had no chance with them. I know he wasn't lying about his experience either because I have seen just how seriously some of these schools take Greek Life and it is almost worse in the US than elsewhere. You found that many of these guys that paid their fees to be in a fraternity and went through rush had access to the hottest girls that a GDI (non-Greek) would not be able to get. Even if you had a lot in common with these people, the fact that you didn't pay fees or go through all it takes to be a part of their community ended up hurting you socially.

With that said.

A lot of the big schools do have girls that are GDI and hot. They can be found in the arts programs and aren't as cliquey. For these girls, a guy with above average looks and the right fundamentals can get them and manage to be a part of their lives. OP should expand his horizons and try to find these girls but make no mistake, the Greek Life and cliquishness is much worse in US colleges than colleges elsewhere though it does exist the world over.

 

[Glitch]

Or you could just not obsess over girls as much?

Just put focus on yourself, stressing so much over girls ain't worth the hassle. If girls are your only ambition in your life, what does it really say?

Also there's girls OUTSIDE college campus. Go dancing, go to a language class. The women I've met have all been out of my current University, I haven't even slept with a girl in my educational facility. All of them have been at a cafe, bookstore, dance, blah blah blah.

What's this obsession with sorority girls anyway? Clearly your current style/application does not fit in with their social courting. Go for international girls or something else, for me if I sleep with international girls I ALSO get to learn a language, a culture, a different perspective on life.

What do these 'blonde sorority bombshells' really have to offer? A pat on the back to say you've 'made' it? Guess what? Life doesn't give a shit about what you're doing.

Like Estate has been posting time and time again. Social hierarchies exist in every single part of the world and so does everything else you bring up. It's up to you to develop these fundementals to be in the top 10%. If you just complain about a situation you get jack shit. SOL. Just go out and interact with girls.

A lot of members have gone through difficult things, you are not the only one with set backs. The current difference between you and them is that they kept going. They faced the grind time and time again, never giving up. For them they deserve to reap the rewards because they've worked damn hard for them.

With this minorities problem. I AM ONE!!! I'm an East-Asian ethnic male. The one where these retarded dating information statistic says that we're the least desirable type of male around. I went through your typical minority shit, and you know what? I smashed every opposition in my way. I chose to fight, not complain how unfair life is. Life is never fair you take everything out of life. When life gets better? You take more and more out of life as payback for the shit you got in the past.

Guess what? Do I give two shits? Of course not. I get to see American (Yes, even these 'special' sorority types but they're not even special), Japanese, S-Korean, Polish, Russian, Portuguese, Spanish, French, Italian girls. You know what? They're all fantastic and have shown so many new aspects to life.

What can a sorority girl in particular show you about life? Parties? Drinks? To be honest I'm at a loss. The sorority types can't hold a 10 second conversation. Give me a S-K girl now, oh wait I've got one right now. With her I can learn about Korean music, language, fashion, dance, cusine. She's shows me more in 5 seconds than the sorority girls showed me in the 5 days I could handle them.

From the posts I saw from when I wasn't a member. You're currently too blinded to make any sort of progress.

Sort yourself out, then you'll get girls. Keep acting about as you are now and you don't deserve anything.

Glitch

 

[Estate]

Look....

Here's what I'm getting at...

"Popular" guys in school, college, work, societies or anywhere can have an abundance of women without really having much need to "PUA". Sure, I'm not disputing that.
In any walk of life, there will be women that you just cannot get, for any number of reasons on your part or theirs... you've got to accept that and move on.

What the OP is saying is that I couldn't possibly understand "greek" life because I'm foreign. Fine, I was never in a frat. But to me, most frats look idiotic from the outside... and the "main guys" in those things are the guys who are popular for 3/4 years of college and then it means absolutely ZERO past that. Worse, the guy clinging to this lifestyle into his late 20's and 30's is actually going to hinder him more than it will help him.

There's always the expection, there's the Manziels, the Gronks, guys who just kill it because of who they are, how they look, their lifestyle, their fame, their money, whatever it is...
But are we all just supposed to Give up because we are not in the 0.0000001% of the population that actually fall into this lifestyle? NO!!!

Honestly, if you guys truely believe that then fair enough. But you are in the absolute wrong place coming to GC and expecting the rest of us to accept that. Because we've all been on the other end and most guys here have either pushed past it or in the process of doing so.

You guys aren't even in college anymore, yet are clinging to some hierarchy that no longer exists in your life. The problem is not with these guys, it's your perception of them and how you won't just LET IT GO. Especially if you are no longer in college, you can totally reinvent yourself in your later life, or work career or anything.

All I'm listening to is excuses here. You've got two choices. Believe what you are saying and continue to put the blame elsewhere or look inside and take some action. Otherwise NOBODY here will be able to help you in any way. We can offer all the advice in the world but you won't take it. NONE of us here are famous athletes or rockstars or "frat boys". We're all regular guys who started just where you did and made something happen for ourselves. We had to accept the problem was not with the world but how we percieved and interacted with it. If you can't do that, then you are stuck where you are now forever.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Glitch I understand the intentions behind your post and that you are trying to help but I don't think your posts need to be on this thread. At first you talked about pickup when anyone with knowledge of the college scene knows that just cold approach girls out of the blue doesn't work and if done enough with bad fundamentals can royally fuck up your status on campus.

Now you are saying that the things you learn from dating international girls are so valuable and how hot girls in a sorority don't have much to offer. My girlfriend was in a sorority in college and I do feel fulfilled from being with her. As men we are hardwired to value women for mostly their looks rather than some bullshit we can learn from a fucking book. I have fucked and dated international girls and now I am with an American girl who is a part of the in crowd and was popular in college and yes I do feel better about myself for being with her.

Fuck cusines and fuck learning another language, you can get that shit through the internet. I value sex from good looking women and to me looks are the most valuable thing in a girl, as is the case for most men. So I don't get why you are making up all these traits for sorority girls or some hot women. I don't give a fuck if she happens to not be well traveled or doesn't have much broad experiences to share, if she looks like this then screw all these other experiences you speak of. Having a hot girlfriend does complete a man.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

You guys aren't even in college anymore, yet are clinging to some hierarchy that no longer exists in your life. The problem is not with these guys, it's your perception of them and how you won't just LET IT GO. Especially if you are no longer in college, you can totally reinvent yourself in your later life, or work career or anything.

Good post but hierarchies will always exist and many exist well past college, I am talking Greek Life. A lot of these guys that were in frats in college still get access to hot girls well past college because they have a network to be a part of. With that said, I think we can all agree the best thing to do is to be a part of crowds that attract hot girls rather than denying their importance.

You seem to think it is just pro athletes but it isn't that, it is all about being a part of the in crowd, pro athlete or not. What I have learned from my experience with this is that I was robbing myself by not finding the in crowd and being a part of it. I will do a post later which talks about the truth that comes with guys that get hot girls and being a part of a certain crowd is at the top of the list.

 

[Estate]

You guys aren't even in college anymore, yet are clinging to some hierarchy that no longer exists in your life. The problem is not with these guys, it's your perception of them and how you won't just LET IT GO. Especially if you are no longer in college, you can totally reinvent yourself in your later life, or work career or anything.

Good post but hierarchies will always exist and many exist well past college, I am talking Greek Life. A lot of these guys that were in frats in college still get access to hot girls well past college because they have a network to be a part of. With that said, I think we can all agree the best thing to do is to be a part of crowds that attract hot girls rather than denying their importance.

You seem to think it is just pro athletes but it isn't that, it is all about being a part of the in crowd, pro athlete or not. What I have learned from my experience with this is that I was robbing myself by not finding the in crowd and being a part of it. I will do a post later which talks about the truth that comes with guys that get hot girls and being a part of a certain crowd is at the top of the list.

Yeah, the athlete thing is just what I can identify from my OWN college. It was Rugby and GAA players who generally were seen a guys or "value" so I'd compare it to them being the big Football stars in a US college... but you're right, that's one example, hierarchies also existed in societies, different sections of the college, different faculties, etc, etc... so without the "greek" thing, I do get it.

But you're last point is right, the hierarchies exist everywhere and in the working world too... but I can read from your last post, you've clicked with the idea, of basically saying fuck the hierarchy, just be the kind of person, that the people you want... want to meet and become part of their circle.
Once you are "in", it no longer seems a big deal, it's just normal life now.

The OP's thing though is he constantly seems to see himself as the outsider and that its him against the world, and it's all the fault of these hierarchies for every problem he's got. That's just not the case. If he got to know some frat guys, maybe he'll find a few of them are cool guys, even if he's not one of the "in" crowd himself. Why doesn't he try to be more like them so they might think he's cool, if that's the sort of circle he values being part of?

I just don't get the point of these threads...
Most threads on here from newbies begin with "I want to do/get/have/learn <X>... how can I achieve that?"
At least that comes from a place where others here can offer advice as to the steps to get what he wants, then he can choose to take the advice or not.
In this case it's constantly the tone of "Well... the world has screwed me over, might as well give up... but I'm going to post about it in the hope these other guys will agree with me so I can justify never accepting that maybe there's something about ME I need to work on to get it".

Believe me, it's a hard pill to swallow when you realise some of the things you don't have or can't get are down to YOU and not something else. It's a VERY hard pill to swallow. But once you do, it actually takes the weight off... now you realise, you can actually work towards something, it's not as hopeless as blaming everyone else and nothing ever changing.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I see something different with the OP and this is going back to his blonde bombshells thread. On one hand you have a guy with high ambitions who wants to have an idea of how he gets the kind of girls that he along with most of the male population lust after. On the other hand you have a guy who seems to spend a lot of time with mental masturbation rather than taking action. I don't think OP is trying to waste time intentionally but he is trying to get an idea of a path to take so he can get girls like the one whose pic I posted on the photo (Katherine Webb).

A lot of his threads tend to draw me in because I have had similar experiences other than the race part (im white). Some colleges have such a powerful Greek scene that if you aren't a part of it you will have a hard time breaking in. The guys will talk to you, be friendly, and occasionally hang out with you but you still won't be invited to their parties or their events unless you pay the fee to join.

What I see with OP is a guy who wants to be a part of the in crowd but since he was a late bloomer without much of an idea of it, he doesn't know how to be a part of it. I am going to post a thread about the in crowd, guys that get hot girls, and address other things that I feel can benefit newcomers and even guys who have been into the game for years.

 

[Glitch]

PA,

Aww man, why did you get baited and not OP? You ruined the bait!

My previous post while having a semblence of truth. The S-Girls not having value was complete utter crap. Because I met them and their not all like that of course. It was bait, people response more honestly when going through the motions.

The point is, why is there such a big focus on S-Girls?

Can you give me 10 logical reasons what sets them apart from any other hot girl? What makes them so special?

Also in many of the posts you are very quick to side with OP without much criticism. It just makes me wonder if it's creating co-dependence.

Do you know why OP is so utterly focused on S-Girls? What has OP done to further the goal of attracting one? Any further research done when subjecting to failure?

From what I understood isn't OP nearly done with college? What drive is there to still get with an S-Girl? Just to say you've done it?

The OP's thing though is he constantly seems to see himself as the outsider and that its him against the world, and it's all the fault of these hierarchies for every problem he's got. That's just not the case. If he got to know some frat guys, maybe he'll find a few of them are cool guys, even if he's not one of the "in" crowd himself. Why doesn't he try to be more like them so they might think he's cool, if that's the sort of circle he values being part of?

I just don't get the point of these threads...
Most threads on here from newbies begin with "I want to do/get/have/learn <X>... how can I achieve that?"
At least that comes from a place where others here can offer advice as to the steps to get what he wants, then he can choose to take the advice or not.
In this case it's constantly the tone of "Well... the world has screwed me over, might as well give up... but I'm going to post about it in the hope these other guys will agree with me so I can justify never accepting that maybe there's something about ME I need to work on to get it".

Believe me, it's a hard pill to swallow when you realise some of the things you don't have or can't get are down to YOU and not something else. It's a VERY hard pill to swallow. But once you do, it actually takes the weight off... now you realise, you can actually work towards something, it's not as hopeless as blaming everyone else and nothing ever changing.

This is exactly my manner of thinking. To me it doesn't make much sense. For progress, work and determination is needed.
Not sure if it was because of my circumstances that I've always thought it as this. When I see people older than me like this it pains me...

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Why do I like sorority girls?

Well first of all fuck your "logical reasons", as if attraction has any fucking logic, because they get my dick hard, their hot, and I want some fucking arm candy along with good sex. IMO that is the only reason you should want most girls in your life. Sure guys will go for plain janes and convince themselves that the girl is hot and awesome in other ways but they know the second a Margot Robbie throws herself at them, they will leave that plain jane (ie: DiCaprio on Wolf Of Wall Street).

Ya I said it, I don't believe in any of that other bullshit about learning culture from a girl or the kind of shit they show in romance movies. For me to value a girl and go after her, she has to be above average looking to hot. Sorority girls are hot and I don't give a damn about the drama that comes with them. There is nothing more fulfilling in life than being a guy that has managed to get the girl everyone secretly lusts after but is tough to get. That rush you get when you can look at the other guy staring at your girl and smile knowing all these guys are wishing they were you right now. The girl with a nice rack, pretty face, long blonde hair, and a good tan going for her who turns heads everywhere she goes and you have her by your arms as other guys look at you. There is no better feeling in the world than being with the hottest girl in a given area, you can convince yourself otherwise through bullshit like "but I learn so much culture and cusine from girls I date though" but looks are no question the most important thing on a girl for most men whether they admit it or not.

As far as I am concerned, I never recalled the OP specifically saying he wants just sorority girls. I do recall him saying he wants to be with a blonde bombshell which a lot of us do but feels that certain things might hold him back. Rather than going off on the guy I can understand what he is going through because being a college student from a lower middle class family, I can somewhat relate to some of the things he might be feeling right now. Being around so many hot girls in college and knowing that he does not have what it takes to be with them at this given time, it can be some painful shit. Rather than making his life harder than it already is by telling him how he is wrong for wanting hot girls (and yes that means sorority girls and not some average slut), I prefer to encourage him and tell him whatever advice I have learned because I was not fortunate enough to find a site like this back in my college days.

PS: All the profanity is not me attacking you Glitch, it is just how I talk some days. In my mid 20s I feel like a frat boy in college who is aggressive and wants the hottest girls. Feels great to let it all out.