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Gaturro

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tl;dr: I invited two 3sets to a party. I fucked up logistics so I wasn't able to pull the girl from the set I liked. And my dog took a dump on my pillow while I was at the party lol.

My objectives

So on Friday night as I was leaving a party we got in my car with my roommate and passed by another car, inside there were three girls about to leave as well, I stopped and invited them to the after party. The girl on the wheel said she knew me from instagram (lol we texted a week ago), they didn't come but I texted her and she said let's go out on Saturday night. Alright. They live 5 minutes away from my place, so it was a great lead, or so I thought.

I was also chatting with a girl from online (if i showed you a picture you'd want to kill me for not sleeping with her lol). This girl lives around 20 minutes away from my place.

The arrangement

So on Saturday I invited both (car-girl and online-girl) to a pre-party at home, and from there we'd go to a cool open-air party in the city, full of famous people etc (one of the only parties in Buenos Aires, now it's summer and every party takes place in cities with beaches). Online-girl answered almost instantly and invited 2 friends. Car-girl answered 4 hours later and also invited 2 friends. It was really hard to get tickets, but I sent a few messages to some people I knew and got free VIP and tickets for all of us (me, my roommate, and both 3sets. All I had to do was post an instagram story lol, pro tip: get followers and meet club organizers). I could have gotten tickets for the STAGE with all the ultra famous people but I asked the DJ for tickets like 5 hours before the party, so I was lucky to get at least something. (The DJ is a girl who really liked me a couple of years ago, she wasn't so beautiful so I never tried anything but now she looks much better lol).

The pre-party

The party took place 5 minutes away from online-girl's apartment, so we just did a pre-party with car-girl and her 2 friends (one of them was actually her sister). They were BARELY legal, and considering lockdowns, corona, etc, it seemed to me that they had the social intelligence of girls 2 years younger....... BUT they lived 5 min away from home, so I made them leave their car at mine and we went in my car (this seemed like a great idea, they HAD to come home, ironically I think this is where I fucked up, I was inviting two groups and then making one dependant on me, without being able to take the other group for the after party...)

Before car-girl's group arrived my roommate was falling asleep all the time, I couldn't get him out of the bed, he woke up as soon as the girls arrived home... I had to say hello to the three girls all by myself, plus when I opened the door the dog almost escaped, I wouldn't say it was awkward but it was not an ideal situation... I got drinks for the 4 of us, had the typical conversation how did you meet etc, we played higher/lower game (stupid game with cards for drinking so they loosen up), also played darts, and after a while my friend got out of the shower and started playing with us. I tried to get closer to my objective (car-girl), being a bit physical, while bantering with the other girls.

We chatted for a bit and then left to the party because it was kinda late. While driving I tried to talk to the three girls so I could do some verbals (the sisters would talk very close and i was joking that they were kissing but i wasn't judgemental), but my roommate wanted to listen to music and not to talk...

Mixing the sets

While driving I was also texting online-girl who was getting an uber so she could get to the party with her 2 friends. As soon as we arrived the three of them were at the entrance. OMG online-girl was STUNNING. A gorgeous blonde with light blue eyes. I think it was really noticeable that I liked her lol I kinda introduced both groups, or they just did it naturally. I said to both groups "these are my friends" (but they eventually realised we all met that night, I changed subject saying "wow you're drunk you don't remember we actually met last night"). Online-girl group seemed much more experienced, and more talkative, and more to the point... after all they were older than 20 lol

The 8 of us tried to get in, but me, my wing, car-girl and her sister didn't have facemasks. I had a few in my car so I went back to get them. I left my roomie chatting with all the girls. I came back and online-girl's group was by themselves, and my roommate was with car-girl's group. Remember I had 8 vips? well I lied, I had 5 vips and 3 general tickets. So I isolated online-girl and her friends and told them that I would give them the VIPs (I wanted them to feel a bit more special, because they had been waiting, I made them go by uber, they confirmed earlier etc) and I would give the general tickets to car-girl and her friends, asking online-girl if her group could give the other group their VIP bracelets later so they can come with us. All that wasn't necessary at the end, because I talked our way into the VIP for the extra 3 girls, but I think it was good for making online-girl feel special.

Immersion

So we got in, we got drinks (they were free, I playfully said I would buy them a few drinks haha) and there I talked to online-girl. There were better tickets than the ones we had (the stage) and I said that had we asked for it a day before we would've been able to go on stage. Anyway VIP area was still better than general area. I said that anyway most people on stage try to look like something they're not, plus they care about other people's opinion, that she seemed different, more authentic... I don't know what bs I said but she was immersed. After some mingling, I mentioned that she looked like she did tiktoks, and she did, I said we should film some at home, that she'll like my dog, etc.. she even went to the same model school than a couple of friends, I knew the name of the agency and asked her if she went to that one, she said yes, massive connection there

Mingling

The thing is THERE WERE TOO MANY GIRLS for me and my roommate. But every guy around us were losers or ugly. It was good because we stood out (A LOT, people who recognised me for my videos asked me for pictures etc) but fuccccckkkk, I couldn't get anyone to join us (they were all losers for real), and it was really hard to manage both groups with my wing just drinking and "dancing" in the spot. Ironically, even though managing both sets was hard, I think this is what I did best (For a while both sets where together in a circle, then they split up in 3 and 3, a few meters away from each other).

So basically what I did was talk to online-girl, was physical (I need practice but was trying to be situationally touchy and aloof), then talked a bit to her group, then went back to car-girl, did the same... looking at them with a triangular gaze... then leaving to talk to my roommate, or to the toilet, or to the bar, just mingling a lot. This was good, I gave both my objectives a lot of attention when I was with them, but took away this attention REALLY FAST, so they could never have enough. There was a great moment when online-girl took an ecstasy pill (or so my friend told me, I didn't even notice that lol) and she had her sunglasses on top of her head. The song "Turn down for what" started playing, so as soon as the singer said TURN DOWN FOR WHAT I put her sunglasses on her, just like the meme, it was magical lol

One doubt I have now is: when we're dancing in a set like making a circle, what do with my objective? and what do with the other girls? sometimes I'm dancing without doing anything else and I'm like: "fuckkk, should I say something, should I try to dance with my objective, what dooooooo"

Here's when I noticed online-girl was MUCH more receptive (even before the E pill lol). Probably because I really liked her more so she reciprocated? My roommate said it was noticeable that I liked her... But to be fair the other girl, car-girl, was not too receptive to my escalation. Yes, we grinded with car-girl, and I even got to hold her hand to get her on stage. How did we go on stage? I met a friend who had one bracelet for the stage and was leaving, so I just asked for it, he gave me his bracelet, and I used this as an excuse to hold her hand).

How I lost one girl

When I got car-girl on stage she wanted me to get her sister on stage as well, I said ok let's go on stage the two of us and i'll see if we can get a bracelet for your sister, so I was holding her hand and the bouncer didn't notice she didn't have a bracelet (I just showed mine), we got on stage and she was insisting on her sister coming (meanwhile her sister was making out with my roommate loool). I said let's go get a bracelet from somebody over here and she said "ok i'll wait here, you go get it". And here's when I lost her, she left the stage (of course she couldn't get back on stage without me) and then she spent all the night asking me to get her back on stage again. She even went to talk to the bouncer with her sister to see if they could pass: so they literally showed the bouncer they didn't have a bracelet, and after that they were never going on stage anymore that night. This is why I say they were inexperienced, in comparison to online-girl group who probably wouldn't even try a move like that.

At this point my roommate was looking at our security cameras on his phone, not in state at all, apparently our dog had opened my bedroom door. This is BAD NEWS, our dog loves my bed for doing number one and number two (yes, the dog's great for girls to open you at the mall, but he has his cons as well). So we had 6 girls with us but my bed was 100% sure covered in dogshit, pee or even vomit. Fuck my life.

How I lost a closed deal…

At that point all I wanted to do was go with online-girl and get her on-stage with me, but I was never able to find her. After a while she texted me "where are you", we texted "here at the bar" "here were we met last time" but we never managed to find each other. I guess she was too high for that lol

The party ended, we had to leave, and I HAD no choice but to leave with car-girl and her friends because she had left her car at my house... and online-girl started texting me......

online girl: still there? (note: when she asked where i was i texted her i was on stage, or at the bar or something)
gaturro: party's over
gaturro: you can't go on stage even with a bracelet
online girl: yes they kicked us out haha
gaturro: next time let's arrange with more time
gaturro: where r u
online girl: we never found each other
online girl: sucks
online girl: leaving
gaturro: haha yes
online girl: i wanted to keep the party going
gaturro: we are hosting an after party at home if you wanna come
gaturro: we have music, drinks, everything
online girl: sure
online girl: but it's far away from us
online girl: we'll host an after party in our apartment
gaturro: if you want i can take you home afterwards, I think tomorrow I'm coming back close to your place (note: this was bs but i could go back and visit my family afterwards lol)
gaturro: or i can just get you an uber ride, i have some free codes (note: this is pure bs, but i wanted her to come and not look needy)
online girl: really?
online girl: if it's not a big deal then yes
online girl: we're in front of the entrance
gaturro: but we have to give my friends a ride and i don't know if there's space in my car
online girl: oooh
gaturro: i can call an uber and get it to follow me, or another day
online girl: chill
online girl: another day, don't worry
gaturro: do you wanna come tomorrow to spend the day? (note: her grouped talked to my roommate about how living in the city sucks, that they miss the sun, the pool, everything we have at home in the suburbs)
online girl: yesss sure
gaturro: ok talk to you tomorrow when i wake up
online girl: suree

It was pretty much a closed deal for a SNL.... but as my roommate never wanted to bring his car, it was only my car for me, my roommate and the 3 girls... How could we fit in 3 more girls? Fuck logistics... Now, I know a lot of natural friends who got the lay the following day after bad logistics, but to be honest I'd never got it before. So I consider it a FU for now.

The pull

The three girls got in my car, they were singing etc, kinda party mode, I was speeding and one of them was filming (I think she liked my bad-boy driving haha), then my roommate changed the music to a super lame slow song.. and they stopped singing.. then i changed it back and got them to sing again...

Anyway, we arrived to my doorstep and they wanted to go to mcdonald's. They didn't even wanna get in the house, meanwhile I couldn't find our house keys.. (while looking for the keys in my car, I was thinking of an excuse to get them in the house, but nothing came to mind). My roomie even said he would cook fries for them instead of going to Mcdonald's.. But no way, there was no chance to get them in the fucking house, so i thought FUCK IT, I found the keys, opened the door and went upstairs to check the sheets for dogshit. And yup, my dog ruined one of my two pillows, it was just pee though, it could have been worse. I replaced the sheets, tossed the pillow and that's all... Of course the girls left, lol I didn't even say goodbye. My roommate told me they were asking him if I would go to Mcdonald's with them... lol no way, if they were already not in state, imagine what a fucking Big Mac would do to their state... should have said goodbye though, but I was expecting them to say goodbye to me, maybe by getting inside the house? lol they didn't they just left...

The last resort

By the way, half an hour had passed since my last chat with online-girl, and i was like.. hmmm let's see if i can try something else with this girl...

gaturro: we're in a mcdonalds close to yours
gaturro: as soon as we finish we can have our after-party if you want
online girl: oh we're already at the apartment
gaturro: that's better so you can get a bikini and we go home (note: this was an open loop about the city vs suburbs thing)
gaturro: i called an uber for my friends (note: I didn't know how to say I ditched them without looking bad lol)
online girl: ohh hahah we're off
gaturro: sorry, i had to go with them because they had some stuff in my car
gaturro: but ok if you're available tomorrow we'll meet to film tiktoks
online girl: chill
online girl: hahah yesss

I hope i didn't screw social frame here...

There was definitely a connection, I hope it was strong enough not to fade tomorrow / another day... but at least we had a good time for sure, left a good impression and raised attraction (at least at the party). Don't know how long that'll last, though...

Conclusions

I think I'm not texting car-girl again, she didn't seem interested and was a bit dumb to be honest (couldn't hold a conversation, but well we went to a party after all). On the other hand, I really liked online girl... but logistics were not there (it could have been easily avoidable, I was so stupid i didn't think about that. After all my years in the field I feel so noob with such a rookie mistake...)

I think this is where I fucked up:

  1. Probably shouldn't have invited car-girl. If her response was 4 hours later, I was probably her second option. When we texted a week ago, she wasn't so receptive, and her interest increased a bit only after seeing me the night before.
  2. 6 girls for 2 guys is just too much.
  3. If i really wanted to invite car girl, I should have asked my roomie to bring his car too, so I could pull the other girls into my car (WHY DIDNT I THINK OF THIS MAN, maybe I was too confident that car-girl would come into my house, after all she was leaving her car at mine, so I trapped myself with them. But with young, party girls you just never know...). Or I could just have asked car-girl to go on her own...
  4. I was too dependant on my roommate as a wing for the pre-party, I hadn't invited any other guys, and he really let me down :(
  5. Maybe car girl became a bit jealous of online girl and got into auto-rejection
  6. I think i should go for the kiss during parties, i think that makes me lose lots of pulls, but i just don't know how, with all these people watching...
I think car-girl coming was kinda positive though, because she spiked online-girl's attraction to me... jealousy plot?

I had never seen online-girl in person, so my plan was to take car-girl and her friends home, and to spike online-girl's attraction (plus, for me, more girls = more fun). But online-girl was probably DTF from the beginning, and I wasn't able to change plans mid-game to fuck online-girl instead due to logistics...

I'm also curious to know how I could have done better with car-girl at the pre-party / club.

Futurology

If you've read Chase's latest article, perhaps with online-girl I did the first date strategy without realizing it (in an open-air club instead of a typical date venue). Only time will tell if I get the second date: she seems receptive but we'll see how she responds tomorrow / in the following days, when she's not in party mode. I'm optimistic. And I have a couple pills at home (not for me, but if she's into that, it could get her in the same mood as last night. But I don't think it's necessary at all).

As for car-girl... she was just hot, she didn't seem interesting to me. So while it sucks that I didn't get to sleep with her, it doesn't feel like a great loss. Maybe I could try to get a date with her, to see if I like her outside of a party (she studies IT like me after all), and maybe I could fuck her later, but I don't really know how that'll go. She seems like a typical party girl to be honest. I could text her tomorrow "sorry I didn't say goodbye, had some trouble with this guy *photo of dog*" but hmm i don't even care anymore haha (I don't lose anything trying, though).

Anyway, in one day I managed to arrange a night out with 6 girls, getting VIP for the 8 of us completely for free, and spiked online-girl's attraction. Yes, it's a FU, but maybe it was not that bad after all :)
 
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trashKENNUT

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Quick response:
Phone just died. I am using an old phone.

You see asking too much of yourself.

Now.......Look at any high school jocks.
Why do they suck outside of school.

This is your situation. To pissed everyone off here in the forums, remember when other forums join Girlschase forum? That drama filled months?

:)

TLDR: Control 7.8 Billion People


1)Macro Goal (School has this. Outside, does not)
2)Micro Goal (Your democrat wing must get some of that corporations money *cough cough* i mean pussy or access to clubs/places)
3)Macro Hierarchy
4)Micro Hierarchy (Wingman who must accept the not so beautiful girl compared to you)

:)
i tried to do this way too often during my tertiary school. The world is too big to control anything and every human is too condition in their mind that they cannot come out of their own identity for way too much.

If Chase Amante has problem with everyone in the forums just entering this place at that time, everyone will have problems. :)

And Chase is a God. lolx

z@c+
 

trashKENNUT

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Err.. I just realize how passive aggressive my post was.

I try to answer properly.
 

Gaturro

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The world is too big to control anything and every human is too condition in their mind that they cannot come out of their own identity for way too much.
If I understood you correctly, do you mean I was trying to do something so complex/advanced that I would be thrown lots of wildcards I just can’t control?
 
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trashKENNUT

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Yea.

You literally trying to merge social circles while they are VALUE ASS-essing (value assessing) among themselves.

Here is where all the problems are *below*

- Not to mentioned new territory for them.
- Not to mentioned new territory for you. (Impossible to get this right too often)
- Not to mentioned you have not plan what you are trying to do. You forgot the car. :)
- Not to mention your wingman capability level (this is difficult because we are humans. We have bad days)
- ego management skills

And most impt: VALUE ASS-essing

Basically who is what and what are they doing/be entertained by while you try to connect the dots (like get the car) so that you can get laid. Who goes where when you isolate her. Do the guys still party and send the girls back home because unless you are a cool guy, and i am confident that you kinda are, that cool guy persona is half the battle. The logistics and skill (ego massage and how to make other guys look good/or most guys are just uncalibrated and how to manage them. Usually, high level guys dont even invite them!)

And this gets less effective with less power (Status, Money, Access)

So yea....

TLDR: It is difficult to allocate people and the girl you like especially when you don't have all of the above skillsets to a certain level. And to make this worse, you get more guys/girls in. Haha

All guys don't notice that easy threesomes are girls recognizing with and without establish hierarchies, yet. Don't abuse this. :) Haha

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Lofty

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Great report!

I think you came to many precise and thoughtful conclusions. If I were in your shoes, I'd be thinking the same way. Bringing girls to nighttime venues can be tough due to all the chaos, plus there were those pesky nightgame wildcards. You had so many girls around and were trying to handle so many girls simultaenosuly due to your roommate having an off-night + none of those picture-takers stepping up to the plate. Honestly, you did very impressively given those circumstances. I'm sure that given better logistics, you would have been able to isolate Online Girl and take control of her beautiful blonde body.

There were some great lessons here and many directions to grow from. I've been seeing that you love building your female social circles through parties, Insta, etc, and I think that you have the burgeoning skills to see MASSIVE dividends with social circle game as you keep on building your webs.

I'm actually going to tag @Glow here who is the expert at this... he is a busy guy who isn't on the forum all the time, but if he has the chance to read this report, I think he may have very useful insights regarding how you operated this night and also directions for future growth with female ecosystems.

You have lots of the social circle building skills already but also dropping in a few of Glow's posts about these subjects which you may find interesting:


As for other notes, I'll touch on some of your questions and the texting.

If i really wanted to invite car girl, I should have asked my roomie to bring his car too, so I could pull the other girls into my car (WHY DIDNT I THINK OF THIS MAN, maybe I was too confident that car-girl would come into my house, after all she was leaving her car at mine, so I trapped myself with them. But with young, party girls you just never know...). Or I could just have asked car-girl to go on her own...
Right, or alternatively, maybe you could have gotten Ubers for those girls to go back to your place with your roommate, while you went to Online Girl's apartment for the afterparty?

But yes, seems like logistics could have been maximized beforehand to account for all the crazy things that can happen during the night. Which may have, like you said, been focusing on Online Girl from the get-go... but lots learned and it seemed like a highly valuable experience.

I think i should go for the kiss during parties, i think that makes me lose lots of pulls, but i just don't know how, with all these people watching...
Teevster has written about how kissing before pulling should really serve one purpose: building compliance. That totally matches my experience and of course if Teevster says something, there is a very good reason for it. Interestinngly. I also saw in one lay how this kiss to build compliance was the key to pulling her. Calibrating and assessing each unique situation is key.

Kissing in front of others could act as forms of social proofing or sexual prizing in various strategies... but so much of that is context dependent and highly based on calibration across the whole environment. So again, calibrating. I also recommend reading Glow's post here where he talks about "arousing and tempting without release" and really controlling the vibe. I've cited this post like a million times as being one of the most important things I've ever read - something that is very true.

As for your texting, we've seen through all your stuff that your textgame operates at a very good baseline - quite clear you are really comfortable with messaging, stimulating over text, and influencing girls over text.

I've noticed that sometimes you do try to close a little soon, and I don't mean "soon" necessarily terms of time but of compliance and tension. See how in both of your texting sessions with Online Girl that you attempt the close like this:
gaturro: where r u
online girl: we never found each other
online girl: sucks
online girl: leaving
gaturro: haha yes
online girl: i wanted to keep the party going
gaturro: we are hosting an after party at home if you wanna come
gaturro: we have music, drinks, everything
online girl: sure
online girl: but it's far away from us
online girl: we'll host an after party in our apartment
This one is actually pretty smooth based on her last text, but perhaps it also has some variations based on how we can imagine she might respond. It's also worded a bit passively like your next close is as well, as in you're leaving the option out there for her, which may decrease the percentage of success by a little bit because you leave her thinking and deciding about a lot of variables. Whereas if you're working on building compliance and giving her a situation where she can easily say "yes," then you're maximizing your chances. For example, this could be one hypothetical example of that approach:
gaturro: where r u
online girl: we never found each other
online girl: sucks
online girl: leaving
gaturro: haha yes
online girl: i wanted to keep the party going
*Hypothetical approach begins here*
gaturro: me toooo, it was so crazy in there. but waitttt i have an idea, you ready to hear it??
online girl: yesss gaturooooo what?
gaturro: tell me first, do you think afterparties are fun??
online girl: haha yesss
gaturro: great, im actually hosting an afterparty at my place and we can keep the party going :)
gaturo: ik it's a bit far for you, so i will get you a ride w my free uber codes and drive you home afterwards. sound good HB?
online girl: really?
online girl: if it's not a big deal then yes
online girl: we're in front of the entrance
gaturro: cool, ill set up the uber and see you there
online girl: yess thank youuu
[quickly set up the uber, etc]
See with this, you're pacing how she feels and addressing her logistics/anything holding her back. Also it's building more and more compliance with adding in the "tag questions." Basically, you're trying to make her complaint and make it as easy as possible for her to say "yesssss." Skills will also use the term "soft closing" which is a related concept.

I additionally recommend checking out fog's texting transcript in this LR to see a great example of how he plays with tension all the way to the close, and although the context of that texting is a bit different I think you'll see the principles of what we're talking about.

Also notice how in your next attempt with her, you did something similar.
gaturro: we're in a mcdonalds close to yours
gaturro: as soon as we finish we can have our after-party if you want
online girl: oh we're already at the apartment
gaturro: that's better so you can get a bikini and we go home (note: this was an open loop about the city vs suburbs thing)
gaturro: i called an uber for my friends (note: I didn't know how to say I ditched them without looking bad lol)
online girl: ohh hahah we're off
gaturro: sorry, i had to go with them because they had some stuff in my car
gaturro: but ok if you're available tomorrow we'll meet to film tiktoks
online girl: chill
online girl: hahah yesss
So even though this was an understandable last resort, can you see ways in which this could have been a bit higher percentage based while incorporating some other tactics? Your logistics were definitely not the best, but we always try to optimize, optimize, optimize our chances with our tech and be risk-averse as we do so.

Regardless, your social frame is certainly not lost with Online Girl and actually looks good. Hopefully you two are "fliming tiktoks" as I type this... but these have been things to keep in mind for future reference.

Hope it helps - awesome to see your momentum continuing to build and build.
 
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