How often you DON'T have sex with a girl you bring home? (100 lays >only)

[lux7]

Hey guys,

This thread seeks to poll the most experienced of you.

My background:
I'm comfortable with escalations (maybe just too quick at times), can sexualize the convo, had success from day game & SDL, night game (but just a few), social events, online, etc.
Overall, I'm past 100 lays.

But I still feel sometimes I feel it's too much of a crapshoot when it comes to getting to sex.

What bothers me are especially dates, where I think she must have been at least interested in you and, even more, when she comes home but you still don't have sex.

Whenever that happens, I always think "if she was interested enough to meet me and we haven't had sex, I sucked and did something wrong".

So I wanted to ask you:

How often does it happen to you that:

1. A date doesn't lead to sex
2. You get her home and don't have sex

 

[lux7]

P.S.:
I meant to open this one in the advanced section but don't have the rights to open a thread there.
Anyone feel free to chime in, but I was more interested in the more experienced guys.

 

[DoWhatWorks]

Hey man,

This is a really good question as actual numbers seems to get avoided on this side of the internet either because even the best guys are getting no where near 100% which is disheartening to potential customers and also because this isn't the most romantic thing to track... Imagine if a gf of yours new you counted her as your xyz lay? Lol

Anyway I'm not in 100 but 35+ and for me I don't sleep with 60% of dates but get the other 40% consistently.

In terms of girls coming over and not having sex this is probably like 10-20% but I tend to spread my dates over 2 dates rather then 1.

Interesting to hear what others are as having a baseline/metric would help determine where you are in your game.

 

[Skills]

Hey guys,

This thread seeks to poll the most experienced of you.

My background:
I'm comfortable with escalations (maybe just too quick at times), can sexualize the convo, had success from day game & SDL, night game (but just a few), social events, online, etc.
Overall, I'm past 100 lays.

But I still feel sometimes I feel it's too much of a crapshoot when it comes to getting to sex.

What bothers me are especially dates, where I think she must have been at least interested in you and, even more, when she comes home but you still don't have sex.

Whenever that happens, I always think "if she was interested enough to meet me and we haven't had sex, I sucked and did something wrong".

So I wanted to ask you:

How often does it happen to you that:

1. A date doesn't lead to sex
2. You get her home and don't have sex

if you are on a date and you take her home and sex doesn't happen, is like you sell you sell you are car the dude fill out the contract and then doesn't sign....

my point is very unusual to take a girl home that does not close, unless something crazy (period, or one time i had one girl that was super hot in person and it took me a lot to close cause....... She was formerly obesse and did one of those surguries so tons of loose skin that was all wrapped up in gear, crazy shit)

now couple of things that could affect:

-your house is extremely nice vs bachelor pad (so she puts you in the let me make him wait since he got $$$ he could make a good bf)

-Something you are doing to trigger asd


now 1 solution is to learn second generation verbals

another one that is also easy is a massage...:

-when you get inside let her sit in the couch or somewhere, and kind of ignore her, offer her a drink, if she says nothing give her at least water, then leave her alone for 3-5 minutes, while you go to the bathroom and wash your dick, then you change into jog pants or something more comfortable...

- offer her to use her bathroom to wash up...

-when you come back show her some silly massage toy.... "look what i got today at the mall this is really cool"

-start massaging her, first none sexual then transition to sexual...

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[Carousel]

Point 2 is not a very meaningful metric for whether you are actually making progress. If you extract only girls who are visibly DTF or mediocre girls that will fuck you for validation from night game, this ratio can be extremely high.

The same will to some extent apply to point 1 also - a high ratio can simply be the result of going for mediocrity.

Super tight verbals will tend to increase ratios of both point 1 and 2.

 

[Velasco]

What bothers me are especially dates, where I think she must have been at least interested in you and, even more, when she comes home but you still don't have sex.

Whenever that happens, I always think "if she was interested enough to meet me and we haven't had sex, I sucked and did something wrong".

what you did "wrong" in those scenarios where you pulled a girl back home with you, but didn't fuck her, is you did not pull under a sexual frame (when you pull a girl home under a platonic frame, she doesn't KNOW that its for sex. Hence resistance to...sex). So that when you ask her to come back home with you for xyz reason, she KNOWS its for sex and WANTS it to happen (second part is key. in that if you talk about how you don't slut shame girls, and how you have a rock solid understanding on female psychology/sexuality, but fail to turn her on....(verbals, non-verbals, kino) she'll know the reason your asking her to come back home with you is for sex...she just isn't sexually aroused enough to WANT it to "just happen").

 

[Cody Lyans]

Probably 50 50. I mean, if its back home from a club, then... yeah. But if it is just to come back and chill, I just let things evolve naturally. Sometimes thats convo and stuff, and cooking, or other nonsense like just making out. Then other times its more.
I make it fun either way, so I don't mind or care... like at all. So my suggestion to you is to make it matter less to you. While those 50 don't go for it then, they remain on the radar and might come around later, its all just about timing and how you react.

 

[Skills]

wowow! how can you guys have girls back home and not be 100% is weird... as velasco says they are home for sex... again the only time is period, or she is ashamed of her body, or some other thing that is preventing to have sex usually she sees you as future bf....

 

[naturalmikey]

@Skills ill add to what you said about massage. i find it most affective to have her give me a massage. i feel like asking for a massage could be a little supplications. but if they ask me fuck yeah i’ll do it. asking her is very entitled which could rub them the wrong way (no pun intended) unless you already come across as a self absorbed asshole, which i have no problem with.

she should normally know that whatever reason you gave her to come home (your toy trains, disney movie, shoots and ladders) is not the real reason. that’s why i use such ridiculous reasons for her to come, like to watch sponge bob. if you ask her to come fuck she’ll likely say no. give her a ridiculous reason she is clearly not going to want to do. but when she comes over to watch sponge bob put it on. she’d rather make out than watch sponge bob.

also, you’re probably not sexualizing the interaction enough. she clearly thinks it’s platonic. also you’re probably going from a snails pace to too fast. chill and take your time and she will participate in the escalation. it should be a dance you’re leading but she is still a participant. it honestly just takes time. shit used to happen to me sometimes. i can’t remember the last time a girl came home with me (and only me. bringing two girls with a wing is different) and we didn’t hook up. i also don’t do the after party thing then show up at my empty house. i also live alone. if you can swing that it helps. you’ll figure it out. you might have to overcorrect by ocersexualizing the interaction. also screen a little harder. eventually you’ll find a middle ground that works.

lastly, don’t make it harder than it is. take the pressure of yourself. girls love to fuck.

 

[naturalmikey]

one more “trick” i have. if the girl likes hip hop (most do where i live) have a computer hooked to your tv and put on dark kinda trippy hip hop videos. i swear to god they put chicks in a sexual trance. i always did it because i like the videos. but a few chicks i would fuck regularly started to tell me the videos would make them horny.

power by young thug or look alive by ear srremurd are a couple videos that work

it needs to be a computer so you can use youtube adblock. on a smart tv you have to watch ads. you could even download a bunch of videos and make a playlist.

 

[Skills]

@Skills ill add to what you said about massage. i find it most affective to have her give me a massage. i feel like asking for a massage could be a little supplications.

Ah? i never said to say "can i give you a message" .... I said to give her a message and in case she is not comfortable to use a segway/transition...I also taught massages to clueless beginners and they got laid from them...

btw, again i am not talking out of my ass, i have gotten laid from massages hundreds of times... pre second generation verbals... i even in text game situations would bring up massage in the past.

 

[naturalmikey]

Ah? i never said to say "can i give you a message" .... I said to give her a message and in case she is not comfortable to use a segway/transition...I also taught massages to clueless beginners and they got laid from them...

btw, again i am not talking out of my ass, i have gotten laid from massages hundreds of times... pre second generation verbals... i even in text game situations would bring up massage in the past.

i get it. i read your post. i just do it a different way. doesn’t make one of us right or wrong. one of my sticking points i’ve been working on is not being stubborn about giving as little compliance as possible. i still have a lot of outdated pua nonsense in my head i’m trying to move away from. maybe i’ll try your way.

 

[Skills]

i get it. i read your post. i just do it a different way. doesn’t make one of us right or wrong. one of my sticking points i’ve been working on is not being stubborn about giving as little compliance as possible. i still have a lot of outdated pua nonsense in my head i’m trying to move away from. maybe i’ll try your way.

look man the reason are:

- innocent under the radar (a massage)
-relaxes them (takes them off the asd programming)
-you are touching them
- excuse in her head "it just happened"
- you can transition post regular to erotic massage with turn her on...

^again even clueless naturals and unattractive freaks/perverts get laid like that...

 

[naturalmikey]

@Skills i do what i do because it builds compliance. something i’ll do too as is i can tell she’s tiring of massaging me i’ll roll over underneath her to where i’m shirtless laying on my back under her. more often than not she goes to kiss me. try it if you like. i might try your method.

i like that what you say is easy and actionable. like anyone could do it and that is good. most people couldn’t do what i’m talking about.

 

[Teevster]

95% of the time i fuck her. Although if it doesnt it is usually because of some wildcard i could not control like last time... when the girl got food poisened and had to poop non stop. Any other weird situations have occured but very rarely do i not fuck the girl.

 

[Skills]

95% of the time i fuck her. Although if it doesnt it is usually because of some wildcard i could not control like last time... when the girl got food poisened and had to poop non stop. Any other weird situations have occured but very rarely do i not fuck the girl.

That's shitty! That is the point that is usually a wild card such as the period or the likes but anything else makes no sense cause agreeing to go to your house = agreement to have sex

 

[Teevster]

That's shitty! That is the point that is usually a wild card such as the period or the likes but anything else makes no sense cause agreeing to go to your house = agreement to have sex

I dont consider periods a wildcard but rather as part if the game. I usually have no problems dealing with it

 

[Skills]

I dont consider periods a wildcard but rather as part if the game. I usually have no problems dealing with it

I don't like period sex, but i recently did semi sex with a girl with a tampon on, (i don't like blood), i also discover you can have sex with no blood with a cup device.... But my point is that like you, i find no problem once the girl is home to have sex since once she agreed to come to the house she basically has agreed to have sex...

 

[Chase]

I think this has a lot to do with a guy's game and how/why/when/from where he pulls.

For me my close rate has historically been at 2 out of 3 back at my place we shag. But notes on that:

• If I meet a girl at nightlife, and I pull her that night, it's around 85-90% certain we'll shag if I pull her solo, just her and me
  
  
• If it's a first date pull, it's around 60-65% certain we'll shag; second date pull, 85% (but I do mostly first dates)
  
  
• If it's a day game same-day pull, around 45-50%

It's interesting Cody's non-nightlife close rate is 50/50, and Teevster's close rate for girls he pulls is 95%. My guess is because Teevster is doing exclusively nightlife, his conversations are so sexualized, and he screens so heavily for sex and logistics, he's completely optimized his game for closing. Meanwhile it sounds like Cody is very chill about things and just likes to invite girls over to hang, and if something happens, it happens (and it often does). Also looks like Cody is just straight having girls come to his place, which is going to depress his close rate (since he's not dating them outside, then inviting them home, and only the warmer ones are coming to his place... in this case, they are all coming to his place! Then deciding once there is they will shag him or not).

For me a lot of day game pulls are like... I have met this girl somewhere while I was out and about, she seemed fun, I got her to tag along with me, or we met up again later, and we've had a nice chat, so now we'll head back to mine. The conversation is generally less sexualized and I haven't specifically screened her for sex -- instead I've more screened her to see if she's up for traipsing around town with a man she's just met. Whether it will close once I have her back, we're only going to find out once I have her back.

Either way, it's not a big deal to me, because I was out anyway, and just got a girl to tag along for part/all my outing. If we sleep together once we make it back to mine, it's a cherry on top. Otherwise, I have still done whatever I was doing that day, and got to have a little female companionship, which is usually very nice. If I was going more out of my way I would probably look for ways to raise my close rate here.

On dates you can usually tell before the pull which girls are likely to go to bed with you and which ones aren't. However, my habit is to invite anyway, just to see what happens (unless I am really not feeling it and the girl is just okay looking), which is going to depress your close rate. If you wanted to be more efficient, you could just end things when you sensed it likely wasn't going anywhere, but occasionally girls will surprise you, and the girl you thought would definitely not go to bed with you will (sometimes the other way, too... you thought a girl was definitely going to bed, then she doesn't).

Also worth noting: when you get less active picking up, it does weird things to your close rate. Either you are only bringing back girls who are really into you, in which case your close rate goes up. Or you start stabbing in the dark more and inviting every girl back, then botching the escalation because you are rusty, in which case your close rate goes down. I have had both things happen.

Chase

 

[Skills]

This responses are weird, i wish people elaborate on those % they do not close at home, what happens that they can not close, what are the girls objections etc... cause once my house door is open and she is in, is game over.... i don't care what type of game it is.... if a girl has agreed to come home with the guy she has agreed to sex. This responses do not match my experiences at all...

also i would never invite a girl over to my house unless the subtext is that sex will happen (and for me to do that i have to be sure based on the convos)....