Instagram Game - The Key To Getting The Top 3% Of Girls?

[Jeff]

Hey @Chase

Something I've always wondered about is getting truly high quality stunners.

Now, Andrew and Tristan Tate - the brothers who went viral this year are excellent with women. World class.

As far as I know, both of them have multiple stunners on lock with a harem of side chicks.

They also used to run a highly profitable webcam business long before Onlyfans took over, having 75 women work FOR them.

So, they seem to know women inside out.

They're fit, they're confident, intelligent, and clearly have game.

However, they primarily leverage Instagram to get the girls with hundreds of thousands of followers.

While they advocate approaching that girl who catches your eye, they do NOT encourage day game because according to them -

- It's a waste of time, time you could be using networking, getting fit, making money etc.

- The stunners they meet aren't at malls or streets, but exclusive venues.

While, all of this makes sense, I must ask how the average dude is supposed to learn game without cold approach assuming he meets these stunners.

He wouldn't know what to do with them.

Chase, considering you don't use social media,

1. What's your opinion on Instagram game?
2. How do you meet these stunners and influencers without social media?
3. And if the Tates are able to kill the Instagram game, how would you suggest the average guy go about this to be able to compete?

Regards

~Aashish

 

[Conquistador]

It's a good question. Given that my social media debut is imminent (exact date TBA) I second it.

I don't know much about the Tate brothers but I don't think they're good examples to learn from even if you're in their ballpark in terms of financial and social capital.

Average guys have no chance on Insta. Not so much because of lack of status, that can be built even if you don't have it IRL, but because they don't have highly attractive lifestyles.

However...realize that "Insta stunners" usually aren't. Appearances are deceptive, especially when you have financial and social capital.

Seriously, if I had 10k for every girl I've seen at college and elsewhere who was better-looking naturally than the girls he gets, I'd be richer than Tate.

 

[Zoro]

1. What's your opinion on Instagram game?
2. How do you meet these stunners and influencers without social media?
3. And if the Tates are able to kill the Instagram game, how would you suggest the average guy go about this to be able to compete?

1. I'd rather have a girl who doesn't have ANY social media presence. Yes they exist. Yes they are hot.
2. Daygame, nightgame, social circle. All (sane) girls leave their house, and the most interesting DO things like spend time in nature, parks, walking around the city, grocery shopping, go to fun events, go to bars and clubs, and WANT to mingle.
3. Live an instagram worthy lifestyle, with a lot of flash, with cool looking people, doing cool looking things, and always have someone else taking pictures. Sounds like a chore. I'd rather just live and enjoy my life offline.

 

[ulrich]

However...realize that "Insta stunners" usually aren't. Appearances are deceptive, especially when you have financial and social capital.

This ^

It is truth that there is Instagram game and that an specific subset of women can only be gotten through money + immense social status.

That being said, these women are not unique in the sense that you can’t get an equally hot girl from daygame or night game.


Beauty is not such scarce resource, it is actually more common than what you think and most stunners are not models nor have Instagram followings.

Survivor bias = All insta models are stunners therefore all stunners are insta models

As for what Tate thinks about cold approach, he has no idea what he is talking about.
If you can and want to lead with money and connections, go ahead… just understand that it is not a requirement to get a stunner.

 

[ulrich]

I will add, I have met a handful of real 10K insta models and they have two things in common:
- Surgery
- They look slightly better in pics than in person

 

[Jeff]

I'm not Chase but I do use social media to get laid.

There are a variety of ways to do this without a large following on Instagram. I call it Instagram Glamour Game... because its your glamorous traits and behaviors that you put on display... again and again... in a series of high quality content or art which tell stories of one or more female sexual fantasies.

However if you want to bang models, actresses and influencers consistently... then I suggest you learn how to meet smooth in street game.

Because day game side-steps a lot of the issues and reputation problems faced by many night gamers and social circle playboys. What's more is while the reports linked above detail some of my experiences with girls in night game, social circle and day game... cross gaming isn't for everyone. Plus... I always recommend new guys start with day game when learning cold approach since... becoming consistent in night game usually takes a lot of work and time.

Makes sense. I'm sticking to cold approach now anyways. Been doing so for almost three years.

But, thanks.

 

[Skills]

Makes sense. I'm sticking to cold approach now anyways. Been doing so for almost three years.

But, thanks.

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[Chase]

Dude.

I've seen like 10 minutes of an Andrew Tate video at once. The guy comes across like the stereotypical tryhard alpha jock.

I have known a multitude of exceptionally skilled ladies men, both naturals and PUAs, and they are all way smoother and far more charming than this dude. I have known actual alpha jock types who cleaned up with women, and they were a lot cooler and more likable (and far LESS forced/tryhard) than this guy comes across.

Every seasoned seducer I have talked to who has actually watched some of his content has come back and told me "this guy is not good with girls." The consensus seems to be that he knows a few community talking points, like "don't chase women", but then he says a bunch of goofy other stuff that is way off base.

As far as I know, both of them have multiple stunners on lock with a harem of side chicks.

I dunno what other stunners he might have waiting in the wings, but according to the Internet this 30-something poor man's AOC is his committed long-term girlfriend:

They also used to run a highly profitable webcam business long before Onlyfans took over, having 75 women work FOR them.

I've got a buddy who's got tens of thousands of women working for his highly profitable webcam business, which also existed long before Onlyfans. He is a cool dude but you would not peg him as a playboy, and he has not ever really been a playboy, or aspired to be one. He is a businessman.

You know what it takes to get women working for your webcam business? Men willing to spend money. If you have men willing to spend money, you can get as many women undressing on cameras for your business as you want. No supernal knowledge or mastery of women required.

However, they primarily leverage Instagram to get the girls with hundreds of thousands of followers.

While they advocate approaching that girl who catches your eye, they do NOT encourage day game because according to them -

- It's a waste of time, time you could be using networking, getting fit, making money etc.

- The stunners they meet aren't at malls or streets, but exclusive venues.

Absolutely retarded.

"My chicks are so rarified they only exist in guarded, gated compounds. To get from one guarded, gated compound, they commute there via secret underground tunnels, monitored by trained assassins who shoot to kill any non-elite men who dare to try to get a glimpse of them, then, after emerging from the secret tunnel network, they snap pictures of themselves in their latest guarded, gated compound, to be broadcast to millions of simps across the Internet."

Is that what they're saying?

The reality is even the big Instagram star chicks do not imprison themselves in gilded cages for fear of coming in contact with the public.

They go out to the mall, to cafés, to restaurants, and nobody knows who they are.

One of Hector's students -- a somewhat chunky man in his 40s -- picked up a 19 y/o Instagram influencer with a million followers in a food court. We've got the interview with him on the MGE sales page:

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The chicks are just normal chicks, they live normal lives, even the huge Hollywood stars go out in public, and these Instagram influencers, even if they have tens of millions of followers, are WAY less well known, have WAY less cultural clout, and make way, WAY less money than Hollywood stars do.

These chicks are out there in public and if you go out you will meet them.

Newsflash though: they don't want to date a fan. It's creepy.

So: stop using Instagram. Go approach in real life. If she's got 15 million followers, whatever, you still don't know who she is, don't care, and she's relieved you aren't putting her on a pedestal like all her Insta followers do.

1. What's your opinion on Instagram game?

I have seen various guys and systems promoting "Instagram game." There is a lot of demand for it online right now. A lot. Guys are absolutely hooked on it, creeping on these girls' profiles, trying to slide into their DMs, and getting nothing for their trouble.

One way I have seen it working kind of well:

1. Meet her in real life first
2. Connect with her on Instagram
3. Interact a bit on Instagram
4. Meet up again in real life when both happen to be out partying

That requires an active social life and a pretty darn awesome Instagram. It doesn't really seem to add a whole lot that you wouldn't already have without the Instagram (could you have... just texted her?), and I sorely doubt if going to the trouble of building the Instagram is worth it. The guys doing this do not seem to be pulling dozens of hunnies a year off this or anything. It's more like Instagram is giving them an occasional assist.

Other ways I have seen guys CLAIM to be getting success, which don't hold up when scrutinized, is using ads to get women on Instagram, or just trying to build a really impressive profile and hoping that somehow attracts women to them. Neither of these have I found any guy actually getting any worthwhile results from following.

So, my overall opinion on Instagram game is this:

It's a really good way to do a whole bunch of work, avoiding going in the field, meanwhile convincing yourself all the work will someday pay off, only it doesn't.

But tons and tons and tons of men are still going to try it anyway, so... what can I say.

The more guys there are trying to do "Instagram game", the easier it is for those of us who actually bother to approach women, because all those Instagram guys have effectively taken themselves out of the dating pool.

Sucks for them... good for the rest of us...

Chase

 

[DarkKnight]

The more guys there are trying to do "Instagram game", the easier it is for those of us who actually bother to approach women, because all those Instagram guys have effectively taken themselves out of the dating pool.

Lol this is exactly what I was thinking while reading your write up..

In the chat we had anothet discussion that girls are totally into male influencers or whatnot but I found (and wrote) it to be overblown.

I know o quite some amount of these influencer girls, in normal life a lot of times these broads are heavily coping one way or the other. And something which truly annoys me is when they try to project their instagram image unto real life, it just doesnt mesh. I have seen dudes do this too until they realize you just see them as some regular dude

 

[POB]

If you have to say it out loud, it's because you aren't.
That's the perfect quote to resume Andrew Tate's phenomenom.
But kudos to him....he knows how to capitalize on a lot of men's core insecurities.

About IG game, seriously, you are probably better getting girls from tinder, bumble or hinge if you wanna go the online route (which sucks either way...but at least it's way faster than building and capitalizing on a new IG profile that probably gonna fail).

We have to remember that social media was born from a resentful beta who wanted to blast women for not giving him attention. So he basically created the perfect simping tool to put women on a pedestal. It only got worse after that.

 

[ulrich]

Other ways I have seen guys CLAIM to be getting success, which don't hold up when scrutinized, is using ads to get women on Instagram

Hey @Chase, you got me really curious about this one as it is something I was thinking of experimenting with.

So how does it look like in real life?

I’m assuming guys get DMs from unengaged women that rarely translate to dates… ??

 

[Jeff]

Dude.

I've seen like 10 minutes of an Andrew Tate video at once. The guy comes across like the stereotypical tryhard alpha jock.

I have known a multitude of exceptionally skilled ladies men, both naturals and PUAs, and they are all way smoother and far more charming than this dude. I have known actual alpha jock types who cleaned up with women, and they were a lot cooler and more likable (and far LESS forced/tryhard) than this guy comes across.

Every seasoned seducer I have talked to who has actually watched some of his content has come back and told me "this guy is not good with girls." The consensus seems to be that he knows a few community talking points, like "don't chase women", but then he says a bunch of goofy other stuff that is way off base.



I dunno what other stunners he might have waiting in the wings, but according to the Internet this 30-something poor man's AOC is his committed long-term girlfriend:

I've got a buddy who's got tens of thousands of women working for his highly profitable webcam business, which also existed long before Onlyfans. He is a cool dude but you would not peg him as a playboy, and he has not ever really been a playboy, or aspired to be one. He is a businessman.

You know what it takes to get women working for your webcam business? Men willing to spend money. If you have men willing to spend money, you can get as many women undressing on cameras for your business as you want. No supernal knowledge or mastery of women required.



Absolutely retarded.

"My chicks are so rarified they only exist in guarded, gated compounds. To get from one guarded, gated compound, they commute there via secret underground tunnels, monitored by trained assassins who shoot to kill any non-elite men who dare to try to get a glimpse of them, then, after emerging from the secret tunnel network, they snap pictures of themselves in their latest guarded, gated compound, to be broadcast to millions of simps across the Internet."

Is that what they're saying?

The reality is even the big Instagram star chicks do not imprison themselves in gilded cages for fear of coming in contact with the public.

They go out to the mall, to cafés, to restaurants, and nobody knows who they are.

One of Hector's students -- a somewhat chunky man in his 40s -- picked up a 19 y/o Instagram influencer with a million followers in a food court. We've got the interview with him on the MGE sales page:

Now You Can “Meet Girls Everywhere”...! | Girls Chase

Put your dating on autopilot. Once you know how to meet girls everywhere, you can get dates as you go about your daily activities. No more go-nowhere dating apps or noisy bars required.

courses.girlschase.com

The chicks are just normal chicks, they live normal lives, even the huge Hollywood stars go out in public, and these Instagram influencers, even if they have tens of millions of followers, are WAY less well known, have WAY less cultural clout, and make way, WAY less money than Hollywood stars do.

These chicks are out there in public and if you go out you will meet them.

Newsflash though: they don't want to date a fan. It's creepy.

So: stop using Instagram. Go approach in real life. If she's got 15 million followers, whatever, you still don't know who she is, don't care, and she's relieved you aren't putting her on a pedestal like all her Insta followers do.



I have seen various guys and systems promoting "Instagram game." There is a lot of demand for it online right now. A lot. Guys are absolutely hooked on it, creeping on these girls' profiles, trying to slide into their DMs, and getting nothing for their trouble.

One way I have seen it working kind of well:

1. Meet her in real life first
2. Connect with her on Instagram
3. Interact a bit on Instagram
4. Meet up again in real life when both happen to be out partying

That requires an active social life and a pretty darn awesome Instagram. It doesn't really seem to add a whole lot that you wouldn't already have without the Instagram (could you have... just texted her?), and I sorely doubt if going to the trouble of building the Instagram is worth it. The guys doing this do not seem to be pulling dozens of hunnies a year off this or anything. It's more like Instagram is giving them an occasional assist.

Other ways I have seen guys CLAIM to be getting success, which don't hold up when scrutinized, is using ads to get women on Instagram, or just trying to build a really impressive profile and hoping that somehow attracts women to them. Neither of these have I found any guy actually getting any worthwhile results from following.

So, my overall opinion on Instagram game is this:

It's a really good way to do a whole bunch of work, avoiding going in the field, meanwhile convincing yourself all the work will someday pay off, only it doesn't.

But tons and tons and tons of men are still going to try it anyway, so... what can I say.

The more guys there are trying to do "Instagram game", the easier it is for those of us who actually bother to approach women, because all those Instagram guys have effectively taken themselves out of the dating pool.

Sucks for them... good for the rest of us...

Chase

Understood. Great answer, Chase (as always).

Thanks for the reply!

 

[DarkKnight]

@Jeff what is up with 3% anyway, is this a Corey Wayne thing?

 

[Jeff]

@Jeff what is up with 3% anyway, is this a Corey Wayne thing?

Hahaha just a number I thought of man.

 

[Jeff]

If you have to say it out loud, it's because you aren't.
That's the perfect quote to resume Andrew Tate's phenomenom.
But kudos to him....he knows how to capitalize on a lot of men's core insecurities.

About IG game, seriously, you are probably better getting girls from tinder, bumble or hinge if you wanna go the online route (which sucks either way...but at least it's way faster than building and capitalizing on a new IG profile that probably gonna fail).

We have to remember that social media was born from a resentful beta who wanted to blast women for not giving him attention. So he basically created the perfect simping tool to put women on a pedestal. It only got worse after that.

Most of my results are from Online Dating followed by Day Game.

Cold approach beats the shit out of anything else in my opinion, but I was curious about Instagram Game. Nothing else.

 

[Chase]

@ulrich,

Hey @Chase, you got me really curious about this one as it is something I was thinking of experimenting with.

So how does it look like in real life?

I’m assuming guys get DMs from unengaged women that rarely translate to dates… ??

Exactly. Some girls reach out but it fizzles out fast after the first message.

Seems like the ad piques curiosity, but by the time the first message arrives the curiosity has already dissipated.

-C

 

[FunGuy]

On instagram I was cleaning house with chicks I already know personally but I would assume you need to have instagram clout for chicks with a lot of followers. If you want help with chicks you already know personally then PM me and I can help you with that.

 

[TomInHo]

I'm going to tell you a crazy trick to get the hottest girls on instagram. And when I tell you this you won't believe how stupid easy it is

So think for a second. Do you really think you can't meet these women in real life? Think again

One simple thing to do is look up some of the popular hot models in your area, then take a close look at the places they frequent on their posts and stories

Look for things like
- Shopping Centers
- Grocery Stores
- Gyms
- Beaches/Parks

Notice how I didn't say nightclubs. Because a lot of those women tend to go to upscale clubs that have bottle service. And unless you have a connection it can be challenging to meet and game those girls in those places

But these women also have regular lives outside the night scene and you can meet them easily in regular venues. And for some reason they tend to have a herd mentality. So if you notice 3-4 IG models have posts at a certain day game spot, it means you will have a high chance of running into them there

So try that, and approach them in the day time and don't exchange social media with them for obvious reasons