Low vs High Body Count - What's Ideal? cont.

[KJ Francis]

It’s called confirmation bias. Where you look at all the situations where something happened to confirm your stance and ignore the rest. I already mentioned the girl I took her virginity from that then turned into a slut soon after me, on the first page of this thread. Yall are just repeating yourself at this point

Ohhh ok yeah I mean like maybe I only encountered the ones who were active like that and may not have even seen the ones that were not riding the cock carousel after LTR

I look at it as the re-satisficing process. After years off the dating market they now have to reassess their place in the sexual market before transitioning to the containment strategy.

Similar with virgin sexual awakening. There's going to be a "what if" hanging over someone who took the first car they tried off the lot instead of test driving a few.

 

[Rakehell]

Ohhh ok yeah I mean like maybe I only encountered the ones who were active like that and may not have even seen the ones that were not riding the cock carousel after LTR

I look at it as the re-satisficing process. After years off the dating market they now have to reassess their place in the sexual market before transitioning to the containment strategy.

Similar with virgin sexual awakening. There's going to be a "what if" hanging over someone who took the first car they tried off the lot instead of test driving a few.

The observations also don’t account for being in a LTR scenario with a seducer or otherwise high value guy, in which the attachment process will be a-lot more intense and one track minded depending on how the relationship is ran (with usually alot of investment physically, emotionally, sometimes financially).

Contrasted with the normie, reactive relationship style, that she isn’t all that invested in (in a way that hits the right notes). A normie relationship that she might be trauma bonded to, i.e through controlling or outright abusive behaviors, or one she might subconsciously want to wrestle herself out of (predicated by infidelity or prospecting other options quickly after the fact) because the guy doesn’t know what he is doing.

One that she is not actively choosing the same way. The equivalent in pua terms would be alpha widowing, or the one who got away.

We all have had scenarios where we have had to push women to move on, sometimes they do sometimes they don’t, but that attachment is never truly filled by someone who cannot hit the same notes as us, even if the relationship was short term.

And at some level they are always open to our influence, and that isn’t always because she jumped on the dick rodeo but could not find a replacement.

These types of women are not experiencing the same kind of attachment, get me?

 

[Rakehell]

The observations also don’t account for being in a LTR scenario with a seducer or otherwise high value guy, in which the attachment process will be a-lot more intense and one track minded depending on how the relationship is ran (with usually alot of investment physically, emotionally, sometimes financially).

Contrasted with the normie, reactive relationship style, that she isn’t all that invested in (in a way that hits the right notes). A normie relationship that she might be trauma bonded to, i.e through controlling or outright abusive behaviors, or one she might subconsciously want to wrestle herself out of (predicated by infidelity or prospecting other options quickly after the fact) because the guy doesn’t know what he is doing.

One that she is not actively choosing the same way. The equivalent in pua terms would be alpha widowing, or the one who got away.

We all have had scenarios where we have had to push women to move on, sometimes they do sometimes they don’t, but that attachment is never truly filled by someone who cannot hit the same notes as us, even if the relationship was short term.

And at some level they are always open to our influence, and that isn’t always because she jumped on the dick rodeo but could not find a replacement.

These types of women are not experiencing the same kind of attachment, get me?

Not to say she wont eventually hop on the dick bonanza, but a seducer usually has some influence and choice before she reaches this point.

 

[KJ Francis]

And at some level they are always open to our influence, and that isn’t always because she jumped on the dick rodeo but could not find a replacement.

I think I get you. Sometimes I wonder what the relationships of some girls I've been with will be like after.

On one hand a girl will check out hard and autoreject when the seducer is found to be untamable. But perhaps from self protection. Maybe you lose her devotion then, but if you crossed paths with her and her new boyfriend in the grocery store years later, I cannot imagine she will ever be truly over the seducer. She will always feel something when you catch eyes.

Perhaps it is the worry of guys with higher count girls (especially non seducers). If a girl evolved to rank men since she can only get pregnant by one at a time, then there is always that competitive aspect.

It does seem anecdotally that both low and high count girls can pair bond strongly. But maybe it is less about count and more about relative intensity. Like would you want to marry one of Chase's ex girlfriends even if she'd only been with five guys total?

This thread is pretty ambling but I think that's sort of my conclusion from it... Just make sure you're her top choice (past, present, and likely future) before an LTR

 

[Spike]

Like would you want to marry one of Chase's ex girlfriends even if she'd only been with five guys total?

Again we’re all just repeating ourselves at this point. From the first page:

I prefer a girl had sex early on with 1 or 2 guys vs a virgin. Because when she gets with me. She will compare those guys (who will be around her age and therefore not know how to fuck girls right yet) to me. And know what is out there. Compared to a girl I just took her virginity who still doesn’t know what else is out there.

Context is a girl in her late teens to early 20s. Who before she met me, only frame of reference of what sex is like, is with guys her own age. Who’ve yet to achieve sex god status. Or relationship god status for that matter.

 

[Rakehell]

This thread is pretty ambling but I think that's sort of my conclusion from it... Just make sure you're her top choice (past, present, and likely future) before an LTR

Yes and no, while the topic of attachment is related to the main topic of low count/high count girl value, it’s worth bringing up when talking about post relationship behavior.

When discussing high counts vs low counts pre and during a relationship, attachment plays some role, but relative feelings in that dynamic can be fluid.

So while she may be attached fully, she is still subject to subjective emotions during it.

How she copes with the ups and downs of her current relationship (which even seducers will have) are the most important factor, and can be related to partner count.

How she copes afterwards (due to her temperament and the nature of the relationship are less important), unless the relationship was ended in a way in which the seducer is not satisfied with unleashing her, and her jumping on dicks would make continuing distasteful.

Going back to already ended relationships is generally not in a seducers cards or interests, hence the pushing her to move on.

But it is important to note when bringing up low count girls who do impromptu sexual acts during the down turn, or end of a commitment.

 

[KJ Francis]

Context is a girl in her late teens to early 20s. Who before she met me, only frame of reference of what sex is like, is with guys her own age. Who’ve yet to achieve sex god status. Or relationship god status for that matter.

So it's not just about her body count then? It's about how she ranks you?

Girl 1: fucked two inexperienced 20 year old guys in college. Views you as absolutely incredible.

Girl 2: fucked two seducers ten years older than her who approached her on her way to class. Views you as great but about the same.

 

[Spike]

So it's not just about her body count then? It's about how she ranks you?

Yes both brother. But again body count is just one of the three qualities

 

[Rakehell]

Yes and no, while the topic of attachment is related to the main topic of low count/high count girl value, it’s worth bringing up when talking about post relationship behavior.

When discussing high counts vs low counts pre and during a relationship, attachment plays some role, but relative feelings in that dynamic can be fluid.

So while she may be attached fully, she is still subject to subjective emotions during it.

How she copes with the ups and downs of her current relationship (which even seducers will have) are the most important factor, and can be related to partner count.

How she copes afterwards (due to her temperament and the nature of the relationship are less important), unless the relationship was ended in a way in which the seducer is not satisfied with unleashing her, and her jumping on dicks would make continuing distasteful.

Going back to already ended relationships is generally not in a seducers cards or interests, hence the pushing her to move on.

But it is important to note when bringing up low count girls who do impromptu sexual acts during the down turn, or end of a commitment.

TLDr, the attachment generated by seducers during a relationship is stronger, so she’ll generally be less willing or able to let it go once he ends it with her or she ends it with him because of something he did to push her to that point.

This does not mean she wont do troublesome things within the relationship because she was angry, or sad one day, despite her immense attachment to him.

Attachment does not guarantee relationship viability alone. But it can impact her attempts at building relationships in the future.

 

[Levo]

Adios.

I wouldn’t say I'm brandishing morality though I'm willing to admit I am where it can be proven.

What I can say is that low body count women tend to be boring and tend not to be up to the “speed” I prefer nor have the level of composure I enjoy in a woman, longer term. I’ve been with both low and high count.

i’m willing to be proven wrong but i highly doubt many of you low count proselytizers have very much experience longer term with high count women and I’d go so far as to say low count women either. Hence my claim that your position is rooted in baseless moralizing vs borne of true lived experience.

Great post. In my experience the high count women are much more socialized, good in bed, fun an outgoing, etc.

Usually theres some underlying reason she is low count after a certain age and if the reason wasnt that she was in a very long LRT then theres usually issues with her.

And even if she was in an LRT then you hope that her ex was good in bed or she wont really be either.

 

[504]

Hello @Levo

Before I start … I have no opinion on this topic, especially having been in relationships with girls on both sides of the spectrum, one slutty virgin (slutty as in behavior/comportment and attire) who cheated on me, the other a high-partner count, classy, well-mannered girl with whom I had a stable relationship.

If I understand it correctly, the thinking goes that the more partners a girl has had, the less a new sexual encounter 'means' to her and thus during tumultuous time in a relationship, it'd be easier for her to cheat, as 'it's just sex' and she's had numerous first sex-experiences before.

Great post. In my experience the high count women are much more socialized, good in bed, fun an outgoing, etc.

And even if she was in an LRT then you hope that her ex was good in bed or she wont really be either.

I also remember low-count guys saying they don't mind training their girls in manners and bed skills.

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I just wanted to add this to the conversation I think the low-count guys mean this too but don't mention it directly.

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Now, I do have an opinion:

"Low versus high body count – what's ideal?"

Ideal for what? Ideal for whom?

For James D and Spike, low-partner count girls seem ideal.
For Topcat and Levo and Teevster, higher-partner count girls seem ideal.

I'd like to steer the conversations into the "why's".

So gentlemen,

why, exactly, are low-partner count girls ideal for you?
why, exactly, are high-partner count girls ideal for you?

 

[Spike]

why, exactly, are low-partner count girls ideal for you?
why, exactly, are high-partner count girls ideal for you?

Chase answered this on page 3:

• Guy A strongly prefers to marry a low count wife. He prefers lower risks of infidelity/divorce and a higher certainty of paternity for his future offspring. An average, ordinary sex life is fine for him.
  
  
• Guy B strongly prefers to marry a high count wife. He prefers a very active, open sex life and a “live and let live” attitude toward extramarital sex. He is not overly concerned about divorce or paternity.

If you’re not concerned about the likelihood of her sleeping around (especially during “tumultuous times in the relationship” as you say), the likelihood of having the kid come out as your own, or even having kids for that matter, then it doesn’t matter how many guys she slept with.

If you are concerned about such things, then it’s going to be one of the factors that matter.

 

[Levo]

Hello @Levo

So gentlemen,

why, exactly, are low-partner count girls ideal for you?
why, exactly, are high-partner count girls ideal for you?

I think I said it pretty well in my other post. The body count doesnt actually tell me anything. Its just one (not that indicitive) factor in many I can use to judge if she is high value.

I dont think I even ask anymore. You can learn so much more from other questions and traits.

 

[Levo]

If you’re not concerned about the likelihood of her sleeping around (especially during “tumultuous times in the relationship” as you say), the likelihood of having the kid come out as your own, or even having kids for that matter, then it doesn’t matter how many guys she slept with.

If you are concerned about such things, then it’s going to be one of the factors that matter.

Again, the only way you can reach a conclusion like this is if you make a moral judgement on sex itself and think that a single person who sleeps with a lot of people is somehow compromised morally.

Generally speaking,

If you're single, youre ALLOWED to sleep with as many people as you want.

If youre in a LTR, youre NOT allowed to do so.

To say that if you slept with a lot of people when you are single has a bearing on how likely you are to cheat in a committed relationship only works if you think the mere act of having the sex is a reflection of your moral fiber.

And if you say that then you're saying all of us on here are bad people, since our goal is to sleep with a lot of women.

Or youre saying it only counts as bad if its the woman doing it.

 

[Spike]

If you're single, youre ALLOWED to sleep with as many people as you want.

Of course. We call them these types, promiscuous women.

To say that if you slept with a lot of people when you are single has a bearing on how likely you are to cheat in a committed relationship only works if you think the mere act of having the sex is a reflection of your moral fiber.

Dunno man the research overwhelmingly supports the link between promiscuous behavior and probability of infidelity. If you want to go against the research then by all means marry that high notch count girl and hope for the best.

https://soulmatcher.app/blog/does-p...2005 study in Personal,(7.7 vs 3.8 partners) .

 

[Levo]

I wouldnt be surprised if the research does show that. As I said in the beginning of my first post here, there a lot of shitty types of women with high body counts, so of course that skews the numbers. As I also said it is a coorelation not a causation, so you should judge her on other things, not the body count.

 

[topcat]

why, exactly, are high-partner count girls ideal for you?

I like good kinky sex, with high agency women with strong personalities. I also enjoy a challenge and being faced with, observing & conquering my own irrational proclivities.

The women that do this for me tend to have many suitors, and I like the fact that they can get what they want from men (including sex) if they so choose to (whether they act on it or not). To me these are powerful women and worthy companions.

 

[Skills]

Hello @Levo

Before I start … I have no opinion on this topic, especially having been in relationships with girls on both sides of the spectrum, one slutty virgin (slutty as in behavior/comportment and attire) who cheated on me, the other a high-partner count, classy, well-mannered girl with whom I had a stable relationship.

If I understand it correctly, the thinking goes that the more partners a girl has had, the less a new sexual encounter 'means' to her and thus during tumultuous time in a relationship, it'd be easier for her to cheat, as 'it's just sex' and she's had numerous first sex-experiences before.




I also remember low-count guys saying they don't mind training their girls in manners and bed skills.

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I just wanted to add this to the conversation I think the low-count guys mean this too but don't mention it directly.

---

Now, I do have an opinion:

"Low versus high body count – what's ideal?"

Ideal for what? Ideal for whom?

For James D and Spike, low-partner count girls seem ideal.
For Topcat and Levo and Teevster, higher-partner count girls seem ideal.

I'd like to steer the conversations into the "why's".

So gentlemen,

why, exactly, are low-partner count girls ideal for you?
why, exactly, are high-partner count girls ideal for you?

Yes one the best sex ever i had was an inexperienced girl... And as you said training a girl is simple to your style...

 

[Skills]

I like good kinky sex, with high agency women with strong personalities. I also enjoy a challenge and being faced with, observing & conquering my own irrational proclivities.

The women that do this for me tend to have many suitors, and I like the fact that they can get what they want from men (including sex) if they so choose to (whether they act on it or not). To me these are powerful women and worthy companions.

I think one advantage of higher counts vs a lower could be onitis and obsession that could be drama due to inexperience that can be annoying as fuck..... The kink you can have any girl if you try even low count to do crazy shit.. sometimes could be even easier cause some times women had bad past kink scenarios.. like a bad 3 some..