LR LR: Blonde in a microskirt

[PaulieFlyn10]

I like the LR because of some nuanced things you did that most people would miss.

For example:

- "Every now and again, when their convo lulls and she’s hanging back I’ll make small talk, a comment or two, and then bounce out giving her space to consider and engage me."

This is good because of the classic push/pull effect it creates. It gives her room to chase you (which girls love). I've seen guys do this in venues where they choke the girl out of fear of losing her or something else


- "Predictably I’d find Jess hovering, not long into engaging one girl or another and so as not to trigger auto rejection I’d make sure to cut thread with the new girl, whilst casually acknowledging Jess before reengaging the accessory chick."

This to me is one of the golden moments. Guys have a tendency to ask overly cocky or arrogant when girls chase flinging her into auto rejection. Keeping her auto rejection in mind was really important because next thing you know she's gone cold lol.


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"These days I approach women, seductions, and dates with the attitude to see what happens.
I’ve told this to @DoWhatWorks on a call we had last year, but when I meet women now my only goal is to show up & flirt. It’s weird, but since carrying this attitude, without fail, the women have escalated on me and moved things forward before I was caught up to them. Of the past 19 dates I’ve had, I’ve closed 18 the day I met her with them pressing things forward. Less is now much more."


standard law of sperratuzzra. For online especially, most girls that come on dates are very interested. Being chill and laid back will get you much more lays. I think a date to lay ratio of 90 - 99% should be a norm for anyone skilled in game. It's basically being chill and setting the right frames

 

[topcat]

This to me is one of the golden moments. Guys have a tendency to ask overly cocky or arrogant when girls chase flinging her into auto rejection. Keeping her auto rejection in mind was really important because next thing you know she's gone cold lol.

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This is basically trained up from me losing many an fb to auto rejection. It’s something I’ve had to force myself to calibrate to and has resulted in me keeping concurrent fb’s for over a year. It’s something I’m cognizant of now wherever I may be along a seduction and essentially boils down to closely tracking a girl’s investment levels and making sure I reward them promptly. No matter how big or small.

 

[barneystin]

Great report!

Every now and again, when their convo lulls and she’s hanging back I’ll make small talk, a comment or two, and then bounce out giving her space to consider and engage me.
I do this as standard with all girls I seduce as I find it allows them to choose me (which you’ll see later they really appreciate) and it allows me to gauge their investment in the seduction.

Great report! Especially love how you give her space to chase you. It’s something my game lacks and I’ve been thinking of incorporating

Is “her chasing you” / her level of investment a big factor that you keep in mind and try to influence? i know it’s important but i haven’t had much luck controlling it.

I find that some women are just automatically more invested from the get go and some stay neutral and it’s hard for me to make their investment go up (sometimes I can with time, deep diving, changing locations and of course, bedding them but these take a lot of time and are more suitable for mid-late game than early game).
I find that most “neutral” girls that i lose stay kinda neutral and are rarely excited/curious about me

Do you have other techniques for inspiring women to chase you/invest in the interaction?

 

[TomInHo]

Do you have other techniques for inspiring women to chase you/invest in the interaction?

It's called talk to girls that like you and don't fuck it up

It's shocking how little you need to do when you are interacting with a girl that legit digs you. Knowing how to have basic conversation so you don't sound like an autist and basic escalation skills will get you very far in those situations

 

[barneystin]

It's called talk to girls that like you and don't fuck it up

i don’t think it’s that simple

but that traffic light argument is a box i don’t wanna open

 

[TomInHo]

i don’t think it’s that simple

but that traffic light argument is a box i don’t wanna open

It really is trust me

Sometimes I do absolutely nothing and the girl will be chasing. I could come with some BS like it's the way I held eye contact for 3 seconds then gave a sly smile, or did push and pull but it will be total BS

Some girls will just naturally be into you and don't mind chasing

Just have to read the signs, stay chill and reward her a bit for chasing so she keeps doing it

You don't need a technique for everything. Some girls actually want to fuck and won't make things super difficult for you

But I have noticed some guys are horrendous at reading signs, will over analyze the situation and then miss the opportunity

So there's still some skill involved

 

[barneystin]

It really is trust me

Sometimes I do absolutely nothing and the girl will be chasing. I could come with some BS like it's the way I held eye contact for 3 seconds then gave a sly smile, or did push and pull but it will be total BS

Some girls will just naturally be into you and don't mind chasing

Just have to read the signs, stay chill and reward her a bit for chasing so she keeps doing it

You don't need a technique for everything. Some girls actually want to fuck and won't make things super difficult for you

But I have noticed some guys are horrendous at reading signs, will over analyze the situation and then miss the opportunity

So there's still some skill involved

i see, what about girls that don’t show chasing signs (however subtle)? Just forget about them?

 

[Spike]

i see, what about girls that don’t show chasing signs (however subtle)? Just forget about them?

Was the girl in this report not showing chasing signs?

 

[topcat]

i see, what about girls that don’t show chasing signs (however subtle)? Just forget about them?

I can’t speak for Tominho. But everything in the system I follow is based on testing for compliance/investment and rewarding investment. This investment might be as small as her body being turned towards or away from me. If the former it’s rewarded with some small warm gesture (perhaps acknowledgement in this case) after which I’ll make a small compliance ask to test if she likes me (perhaps asking her a question). Any lack of investment is “punished” with lack of action on my part. I’ll usually back off, give her space to consider and ask for compliance again later. This was illustrated in my LR and is a process I follow from hello all the way through to my relationships. In texting, on dates everywhere.

I attribute my high close percentages to this system and it allows me to turn the smallest bit of investment into a cascade wherever applicable.

Always ask for compliance, relative to the girl’s initial investment. Reward every little bit of investment. Test investment by giving space and checking if she closes the gap OR by asking for slightly more investment than that you just rewarded. ‘Punish’ lack of investment, with lack of attention, distance (but not so much distance it’s hard for her to close it if she changes her mind) and silence.

Always spin back after lack of investment to test her interest again. The time between spin backs increases with every unreciprocated investment ask until you find a more promising target or decide it's no longer worth it.

This prevents over investment on your part, oneitis and chasing.

Be loyal to the process, not to any particular girl, nor to your feelings in the moment.


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EDIT (still working on falsifying & canonizing this system so recording the below for my notes)

Also note that in this system i'm working, any tiny little thing a woman does in my vicinity or direction can be interpreted as potential investment/IOI'S and should be tested (recall the girl with the fan at the beginning of the LR - I interpreted her fanning me as a ploy to get my attention whether it was or wasn't doesn't matter, will she invest?).

For example, I use emoji pings alot to trigger text conversations with girls (sending a single emoji as an opener - if she responds i take that as a sign of interest and ask for more compliance).

A girl choosing to sit next to me on a train when there are plenty other seats and other men on the locomotive, is a potential sign of interest and should be tested with an easy ping opener "that's a big book you've got there/thats a cute bag you've got there.."

 

[TomInHo]

i see, what about girls that don’t show chasing signs (however subtle)? Just forget about them?

Know what? Instead of giving hypothetical situations I will use @topcat report to show you how MOST men fuck shit up

We’ve been dancing and socialising amongst ourselves for perhaps half an hour, when I notice a girl plant herself against the wall near my cousin.

Blonde, richly tanned skin, slim and leggy.
She’s in a crop top that hugs her breasts. Tight midriff exposed. A low rise micro skirt. And black heeled sandals.
Not only is she sexy, but she stands out against the drably outfitted hipsters that make up the crowd.

She’s on my radar.

First he notices a girl giving proximity and his intuition told him she may be interested

It’s not long before her and my cousin are deep in conversation.
My cousin radiates good energy and is generally a people loving person so I’m not surprised.

My mind goes to contemplating if blondey is using her as a stepping stone to get to me...

I observe in my peripherals, but mind my business, so to any observer appearing to be lost in my own world and the music.

My cousin is very intuitive (she’s also bi), and soon introduces me to the scantily clad - we’ll call her Jess.

His intuition told him that the girl was talking to the cousin to talk to him. And cousin ended up introducing them

Tbh he got lucky here because if his cousin did not introduce him to her he may never have opened her and the opportunity will have vanished

I say hi, and shake her hand. Jess squeezes mine and comments on the strength of both mine and my cousin’s grips.

After these brief pleasantries, i back off and get back to dancing allowing my cousin and her to talk in peace.

Every now and again, when their convo lulls and she’s hanging back I’ll make small talk, a comment or two, and then bounce out giving her space to consider and engage me.

He knows why the girl is there. If he played it too cool and never re-engaged her when the conversation died down the girl would have left because she will think he ain't interested

I do this as standard with all girls I seduce as I find it allows them to choose me (which you’ll see later they really appreciate) and it allows me to gauge their investment in the seduction.

After one such test Jess reengages me but this time leans into me.
To me, this is a clear sign of interest, and requires rewarding, so as she talks, I lean on the wall into her to signal the feeling is mutual.

I mean the girl was into him the entire time but this confirmed it to him. I think this is the point in the interaction he realized he had a good lead to persist on

He also talked to other girls but why did he pick to pull her? I don't know what happened in his other interactions but my intuition tells me something in him realized she was the strongest lead of the night

Other guys can also mess it up here by shifting focus on the wrong girl and not the one most available

Predictably I’d find Jess hovering, not long into engaging one girl or another and so as not to trigger auto rejection I’d make sure to cut thread with the new girl, whilst casually acknowledging Jess before reengaging the accessory chick.

As time progresses I’m having less and less face time with Jess, as I’m mostly off doing my own thing socialising and dancing with myself. But periodically I’ll casually ping her to test her for investment, very light touch before disappearing again as I’m mindful not to cramp her style and bed down too early as i’m still not sure how committed she is to getting me.

This girl is playing it "cool" but the fact she keeps giving him proximity she obviously likes him. Here a lot of guys will fuck it up and think it's just a coincidence because she isn't really making it obvious

She pushes back saying, "it’s late aren’t bars closed?".

I say “Hmm maybe. But i’m sure we’ll find something”.

She pushes back again saying they have a bar at the venue we’re at and "I say i know but I’m feeling to explore a little..", then I interject by saying “lets see how we feel..”.

She agrees, then proceeds to leave the building. I hang back and let her go, assuming she’s gone, but if I find her waiting for me it’s probably on.

Girl gives him standard token resistance lol

A lot of guys would have taken this seriously and not pushed. But really she is just doing it because she doesn't want to seem easy

There's a reason why she was waiting for him

She asks if I’m such a gentleman that I’d be willing to see her safely home to her door only to go all the way back home, so late in the night. I shrug and tell her “why not? I just love an adventure..”.

She asks why not my place and then anticipates my answer that it’s a mess (which it is as I’ve been so locked in the past month on business and haven’t taken the time to clean it).

More token resistance but the girl gave her interest away when she asked why not his place? Like why the hell she care lol

Just trying to not seem easy but TC is a veteran and knows what's up so plays along

Debrief.Confessions.Insight

After all is said and done I ask her when she decided she was into me.

She said she felt it was mutual when we were leaning into each other when we first were introduced by my cousin. She felt she should hold back in this moment because she was showing too much interest too early and appreciated that I leaned out and gave her space before she needed to.

She really pressed on the fact that I could take it or leave it and was impressed further by the fact that I was willing to turn around and go home after walking her home.

Ye lets get real here. This girl went to an event ALONE dressed in a mini skirt and was hovering near TC

She went to that venue open to something happening and luckily she ran into a guy that's good at reading signals and escalating

A lot of guys would have had this same exact situation, will fuck it up then rationalize how they need to use some seduction tech to generate more interest when the girl was already down

Her signs may seem obvious in the report now, but I have seen so many guys blow this shit up

Shit I used to all the time until my social awareness increased

 

[topcat]

He also talked to other girls but why did he pick to pull her? I don't know what happened in his other interactions but my intuition tells me something in him realized she was the strongest lead of the night

Two of the three other chicks were visibly interested. The third of the three appeared neutral at first, then showed more with each drop in convo I gave her. Then started hovering while I was dancing by myself.

But I liked the look and vibe of my target the most, and my gut told me there was more to be seen there.

I'm also somebody that doesn't care if i leave with my dick in hand, so why go for targets I don't want?

 

[TomInHo]

But I liked the look and vibe of my target the most, and my gut told me there was more to be seen there.

Exactly, proved my point

Still good work though

 

[topcat]

Know what? Instead of giving hypothetical situation I will use @topcat report t show you how MOST men fuck shit up



First he notices a girl giving proximity and his intuition told him she may be interested




His intuition told him that the girl was talking to the cousin to talk to him. And cousin ended up introducing them

Tbh he got lucky here because if his cousin did not introduce him to her he may never have opened her and the opportunity will have vanished



He knows why the girl is there. If he played it too cool and never re-engaged her when the conversation died down the girl would have left because she will think he ain't interested




I mean the girl was into him the entire time but this confirmed it to him. I think this is the point in the interaction he realized he had a good lead to persist on

He also talked to other girls but why did he pick to pull her? I don't know what happened in his other interactions but my intuition tells me something in him realized she was the strongest lead of the night

Other guys can also mess it up here by shifting focus on the wrong girl and not the one most available



This girl is playing it "cool" but the fact she keeps giving him proximity she obviously likes him. Here a lot of guys will fuck and think it's just a coincidence because she isn't really making it obvious




Girl gives him standard token resistance lol

A lot of guys would have taken this seriously and not pushed. But really she is just doing it because she doesn't want to seem easy

There's a reason why she was waiting for him



More token resistance but the girl gave her interest away when she asked why not his place? Like why the hell she care lol

Just trying to not seem easy but TC is veteran and knows what's up so plays along




Ye lets get real here. This girl went to an event ALONE dressed in a mini skirt and was hovering near TC

She went to that venue open to something happening and luckily she ran into a guy that's good at reading signals and escalating

A lot of guy would have had this same exact situation, will fuck it up then rationalize how they need to use some seduction tech to generate more interest when the girl was already down

Her signs may seem obvious in the report now, but I have seen so many guys blow this shit up

Shit I used to all the time until my social awareness increased

Yeah you're read on everything is solid here

 

[Spike]

I mean the girl was into him the entire time but this confirmed it to him. I think this is the point in the interaction he realized he had a good lead to persist on

Uncovering vs creating

 

[Skills]

Great report!


Great report! Especially love how you give her space to chase you. It’s something my game lacks and I’ve been thinking of incorporating

Is “her chasing you” / her level of investment a big factor that you keep in mind and try to influence? i know it’s important but i haven’t had much luck controlling it.

I find that some women are just automatically more invested from the get go and some stay neutral and it’s hard for me to make their investment go up (sometimes I can with time, deep diving, changing locations and of course, bedding them but these take a lot of time and are more suitable for mid-late game than early game).
I find that most “neutral” girls that i lose stay kinda neutral and are rarely excited/curious about me

Do you have other techniques for inspiring women to chase you/invest in the interaction?

Yes normal and the majority of women you will be dealing with...

 

[Skills]

I can’t speak for Tominho. But everything in the system I follow is based on testing for compliance/investment and rewarding investment. This investment might be as small as her body being turned towards or away from me. If the former it’s rewarded with some small warm gesture (perhaps acknowledgement in this case) after which I’ll make a small compliance ask to test if she likes me (perhaps asking her a question). Any lack of investment is “punished” with lack of action on my part. I’ll usually back off, give her space to consider and ask for compliance again later. This was illustrated in my LR and is a process I follow from hello all the way through to my relationships. In texting, on dates everywhere.

I attribute my high close percentages to this system and it allows me to turn the smallest bit of investment into a cascade wherever applicable.

Always ask for compliance, relative to the girl’s initial investment. Reward every little bit of investment. Test investment by giving space and checking if she closes the gap OR by asking for slightly more investment than that you just rewarded. ‘Punish’ lack of investment, with lack of attention, distance (but not so much distance it’s hard for her to close it if she changes her mind) and silence.

Always spin back after lack of investment to test her interest again. The time between spin backs increases with every unreciprocated investment ask until you find a more promising target or decide it's no longer worth it.

This prevents over investment on your part, oneitis and chasing.

Be loyal to the process, not to any particular girl, or to your feelings in the moment.


--

EDIT (still working on falsifying & canonizing this system so recording the below for my notes)

Also note that in this system i'm working, any tiny little thing a woman does in my vicinity or direction can be interpreted as potential investment/IOI'S and should be tested (recall the girl with the fan at the beginning of the LR - I interpreted her fanning me as a ploy to get my attention whether it was or wasn't doesn't matter, will she invest?).

For example, I use emoji pings alot to trigger text conversations with girls (sending a single emoji as an opener - if she responds i take that as a sign of interest and ask for more compliance).

A girl choosing to sit next to me on a train when there are plenty other seats and other men on the locomotive, is a potential sign of interest and should be tested with an easy ping opener "that's a big book you've got there/thats a cute bag you've got there.."

Correct..

@barneystin check this out

Socializing - To pursue or not to pursue that is the question...

So old school pick up back in the day was "make the hoe say no" to the point was to be as persitant as possible cause a lot of guys have premature ejectulation and leave sets prematururely, Then brent smith came out with the "no persue at all" to the point of not even getting phone numbers at...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[Ragnar]

this was a fun read and good for you @topcat

at the beginning you said you quit OLD for good. what does OLD stand for? so when the girl planted herself near the wall...i'm guessing that was her way of giving you a signal?

at the end you said you've closed 18 of the last 19 dates you've had? does that mean you've had sex with 18 of the 19?

 

[topcat]

what does OLD stand for?

Online dating

i'm guessing that was her way of giving you a signal?

That’s how I interpreted it yes. And tested it further by asking for investment in various ways.

does that mean you've had sex with 18 of the 19?

Correct. On the day I met them.

 

[Spike]

so when the girl planted herself near the wall...i'm guessing that was her way of giving you a signal?

More specifically, planting herself within his line of sight so that he can notice her (hovering is the PUA term). A good sign she wants you to approach her.

 

[Spike]

This investment might be as small as her body being turned towards or away from me. If the former it’s rewarded with some small warm gesture (perhaps acknowledgement in this case) after which I’ll make a small compliance ask to test if she likes me (perhaps asking her a question).

On this. Something I’ve noticed is that when a girl is with her circle of friends. More often than not it’s the girl who isn’t facing me, that is the one that is attracted to me. Kind of like telling her friends to check for her what im doing. Because she doesn’t want to be obvious