My Thoughts on Fresh and Fit

[Tony D]

I'm just brainstorming. And I don't watch the show much. If I'm wrong, please correct me. Notes follow:

These guys never learned how to cold approach. If they did, I’m assuming they never had much success with it. So rather than looking into themselves and redefining their relationship with women, they look out at modern society, and technology, to blame it on why they feel unfulfilled.

I know because I’ve been there. I dove deep into the redpill, manosphere philosophies. And I can out an angry, cynical man.

These guys slut shame, yet they surround themselves with sluts. Men are attracted to it because it’s low vibration content.

Question: Do these guys ever take responsibility, that men are responsible for creating this situation? We allowed it to happen.

From a guy who mastered cold approach, I’ll tell you this… it’s hard for everyone.

If you think sluts didn’t exist in the wild west, or Victorian England, you’re living in a dream world.

If your entire dating strategy is online dating you’re screwed. You will always feel like the modern world is against you, and women hold all the cards.

Women are desperate for real masculinity. Real masculinity isn’t sitting at home watching slut shaming podcasts and reading the Rational Male. It’s out in the world, working, socializing, putting their energy in front of women and taking the hits.

So she doesn’t text you back. So you got rejected ten times in a row. Get rejected twenty more times! Thirty more times. Fifty. If you still dont’ get laid… at least you went into battle, rather than sitting around crying about it in a circle jerk podcast.

And if you think women are hedonistic and have high standards, look at yourself.

It’s not difficult to find good, loyal girls. Just date down. If you want to sleep with lots of beautiful women, god bless the sluts.

Women are starved for real men. We have an entire nation of men and women raised by single mothers. They don’t know how to be real men, and women know it.

This entire issue is one giant shit test. And men have FAILED.

These guys are pissed off about modern culture being degenerate, which is fair. But teaching men to get bigger muscles, become a born again (religion) and making more money isn’t the answer. It all helps, but it’s not the answer.

If you watch the presenter, he continually loses control of his emotions, insults the women, and display his fake alpha male rage upon them. But this is FEMININE behaviour. Masculine men do not act like this, nor do they care.

Real masculine men will take their punches, and they will attract the sort of women they desire. This man desires SLUTS and that's why he's surrounded by them. And they exist because of men like him, not despite.

 

[Police dog]

If you watch the presenter, he continually loses control of his emotions, insults the women, and display his fake alpha male rage upon them.

He is a professional Youtuber, this is literally his job and the way he makes money. His job is to generate traffic. Why would anyone think he or these girls are like that in real life?

 

[orkie123]

Their whole show is a clickbait for views. They have perfected the social media algorithm hack by attracting haters and toxic people from many sides that comment, like and argue to drive engagement. Its a money printing machine and I bet they dont believe most of the shit they say.

I agree with your points though. Majority of people aren't taking responsibility for their life. "Yeah life's tough and unfair. Quit whining and go and make the most out of it."

Dunno if its true but i've heard a lot of celebrities/influencers are actuallly really smart but do dumb shit on purpose because its what sells.

 

[Tony D]

He is a professional Youtuber, this is literally his job and the way he makes money. His job is to generate traffic. Why would anyone think he or these girls are like that in real life?

So it's modern Jerry Springer.

 

[Tony D]

I think it's a cash making machine, but then it's even more despicable because of all the damage it's doing. I think there is ideology here as well. It's not all about cash. I think he believes what he's saying is making the world a better place.

 

[gameboy]

Never seen the show, but I like your rant.

 

[Bill]

Alex from PwF said he used to be friends with Myron. He said Myron can approach but he tended to get salty.

 

[Kaida]

It’s not difficult to find good, loyal girls. Just date down. If you want to sleep with lots of beautiful women, god bless the sluts.

So would you say it's difficult to find a good, loyal woman who's also attractive?

 

[TomInHo]

I'm very familiar with Fresh & Fit. Their podcast is very interesting to say the least

These guys never learned how to cold approach. If they did, I’m assuming they never had much success with it. So rather than looking into themselves and redefining their relationship with women, they look out at modern society, and technology, to blame it on why they feel unfulfilled.

Myron the main host actually did tons of cold approach. He has videos buried in his channel on how to properly approach and there's even records of him hiring dating coaches in the past

I know because I’ve been there. I dove deep into the redpill, manosphere philosophies. And I can out an angry, cynical man.

This is their target demo. It's sad but men don't really want to learn about seduction and improving themselves

F&F tried to do content about pickup and money but those videos got 10 times less views than their "Toxic" content. And they are a business giving the customer what they say they want

These guys slut shame, yet they surround themselves with sluts. Men are attracted to it because it’s low vibration content.

Very true

Question: Do these guys ever take responsibility, that men are responsible for creating this situation? We allowed it to happen.

They have tried to keep their audience accountable but they don't want to hear it. They rather blame women because that makes them feel good about themselves

Ironic really, because in that community they cry about women never taking accountability but they lack the awareness to view their own actions

From a guy who mastered cold approach, I’ll tell you this… it’s hard for everyone.

If you think sluts didn’t exist in the wild west, or Victorian England, you’re living in a dream world.

If your entire dating strategy is online dating you’re screwed. You will always feel like the modern world is against you, and women hold all the cards.

Most women do not have it easy online actually, it's all a facade

They may get a lot of matches but those matches are not attractive. Also if they meet an attractive man online, the probability he will want to commit to them is extremely low

Because why will he commit to her when he can easily replace her the next week?

This is why a lot of women that use OLD become burnt out and frustrated with it

Women are desperate for real masculinity. Real masculinity isn’t sitting at home watching slut shaming podcasts and reading the Rational Male. It’s out in the world, working, socializing, putting their energy in front of women and taking the hits.

So she doesn’t text you back. So you got rejected ten times in a row. Get rejected twenty more times! Thirty more times. Fifty. If you still dont’ get laid… at least you went into battle, rather than sitting around crying about it in a circle jerk podcast.

Bro... I'll save you the headache

RedPill is not about helping men

It's about making money with entertaining content for average frustrated chumps (AFCs).... it' nothing more and nothing less

And if you think women are hedonistic and have high standards, look at yourself.

The women are posturing. Of course they will say they want a millionaire that has 6 Ferraris and a 9 inch dick. Because that mythical man might be watching her on F&F and she is using it as a marketing tool

Plus we all know they don't really date those men. They are dating that cool bartender they met last week that lives in a decent studio apartment. But they will never tell the world that because women that go on shows like F&F tend to be narcissistic, social climbers and status hungry

Not all attractive women have those qualities and the good ones won't go on a show like that because it will seem "Tacky" to them

This entire issue is one giant shit test. And men have FAILED.

I don't care what men are doing. Not sure why you care either

I do what's right for me, help those that want to be helped, and if other men want to feel angry and out of control that's their problem. Because the men that really want the answers will find a way to find them

These guys are pissed off about modern culture being degenerate, which is fair. But teaching men to get bigger muscles, become a born again (religion) and making more money isn’t the answer. It all helps, but it’s not the answer.

If you watch the presenter, he continually loses control of his emotions, insults the women, and display his fake alpha male rage upon them. But this is FEMININE behaviour. Masculine men do not act like this, nor do they care.

He's there to put on a show. I honestly wouldn't take it so seriously

Real masculine men will take their punches, and they will attract the sort of women they desire. This man desires SLUTS and that's why he's surrounded by them. And they exist because of men like him, not despite.

No comment

 

[Spyce D]

He's there to put on a show. I honestly wouldn't take it so seriously

But there are guys who do take it seriously .

Seen guys irl crying about fake feminism and fighting with random women .

 

[TomInHo]

But there are guys who do take it seriously .

Seen guys irl crying about fake feminism and fighting with random women .

That’s their problem

They are welcome to have whatever views about feminist and fight with random women all day if they please

Doesn’t affect me too much and in fact it probably helps me a lot

Because I’ve met so many girls recently and we joke about “Fake Alpha Males” and their crazy views. Then later I’m bending the girls over and fucking their brains out

Makes for fun conversation so I’m glad they exist

Also why do you care so much what other men are doing?

Those same men have access to the internet just like you and they choose to watch that content

You’re over here and they are over there by choice. And honestly if everyone thought the same exact way life would be so boring

TLDR: You don’t have to agree with the Redpillers, but you can accept them for what they are and keep enjoying your life

 

[ulrich]

So would you say it's difficult to find a good, loyal woman who's also attractive?

He probably means that the average redpiller has unrealistic standards… just as the women he criticizes.

That’s why he is dateless. He doesn’t have the skills to date hotties while considering himself too much to date the average girls.

 

[Derek da man]

Doesn’t affect me too much and in fact it probably helps me a lot

I was just reading this post with very similar thoughts, all they way through I was feeling a bit torn between sadness for these guys that can't get a girl on one hand and on the other smiling thinking all the better for me as there's even less competition

 

[POB]

Not my style, but for some guys it's good entertainment.

I would never take anything they say at face value though!

They just know how to milk the algo to make money out of desperate dudes who are too lazy to learn biz skills or proper seduction.

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

1) They did PUA and Self Development content early on. Approach basics, fitness, making money, etc. I know, I was subscribed. They were entirely about taking action and being accountable.

Plenty of exercise vids. One of my homies was actually on there teaching guys about investing in real estate. I dropped them shortly after the Aba and Preach kerfuffle.

2) What happened?

They realized early on that the PUA content and RP content does not sell to a broad audience. Not a social media audience.

They'd do a 2 hour chat with expert of the day which nobody watched, and then bring in thots for the "after hours" show = and the viewer numbers JUMPED.

KACHING!

Yelling at Miami Thots and "putting them in their place" SELLS

Bringing a girl to tears is way more valuable to the audience than bringing her to orgasm.

Obsidian called it the "whoop that trick" phenomena. He was talking about Kevin's appeal to men - and he called it.

3) Why do guys like this content?

Men want to see the women HUMBLED.

There's a lot of underlying desire for violence in these discussions that guys in our space (pick up, red pill, whatever) don't want to touch. That rough chex video of Tate that gets circulated from time to time (it was consensual roughness) - is part of what we don't want to acknowledge. ....

There is a deep sense of unfairness about the sexual marketplace.

Women get "everything" and can do "anything" with little to no consequence. Indeed, the bad acts of women are often applauded and rewarded.

4) Why did traditional pick up avoid this?

Traditionally, on the pick up side, a chick that stands you up, or is always late, or doesn't stand by her commitments - we let it slide and chalked it up to female nature. We tried to see things from her side. It was a bandaid for our heart attacks....

Pick Up evolved, imo, to avoid the pain, and circumvent a lot of the issues.

• Numbers don't mean anything, same night lay is what we're after.
• Don't develop one-itis.
• Boyfriend means nothing

I was here for the evolution - pick up uncovered the red pill - the true nature of women - early on. Rather than try to "change their minds" or "yell at them" - we decided to sleep with them.

It rarely helps to dwell on a women's "competitive" nature, unless it favors you.

The most powerful thing most guys can learn is women love sex.

And if they could have more good sex without any of the complications and consequences, they would do so. Obviously she has a wikipedia amount of requirements for a husband - but just some In-and-Out? Requirements are much almost infintisemal.

A lot of pulls are about recognizing her basic human need, removing the obstacles, and blowing the sparks into roaring flames.

To me, that's been the central teaching of pick up, even back to the NLP/Speed Seduction days.

You're not selling her, you're not persuading her, you're just creating a situation where she can just be herself. It's like putting fat kid in bakery and telling them that no one will know and they won't gain anyweight.

5) So why is F&F and company popular now?

The RP has been able to exploit pain, F&F in partcular.

Finally, we get to say what we been trying to say for generations, and these chicks just have to take it, deal with it, FINALLY. And we can do it online. We don't need to distribute it, we can just film ourselves and put it on a platform.

I think they were doing 500k a month on super chats and memberships before they got demonetized.

6) Now Everyone else is trying to figure out how to get in on the grift.

• Michael Sartain is trying to do that, but it's not going well because he's got really hot Vegas girls on his show. (plus his girl/gf will tool him on his own show and he, despite his alpha, doesn't know how to handle her)
• Rollo can't do it, he's too old. And he comes off as old whenever he appears on these shows.
• Pearl tried to do some of that, but she ventured into right wing land, and I haven't paid attention since. It's the same thing that's happened to Dj Akademiks and F&F.
• Mediocre Tutorials and Reviewsalso pivoted into yelling at girls doing dumb stuff on TikTok.
  • Replicant Phish and Manosphere Highlights Daily (and to lesser extent O'Shay Duke Jackson") - are all doing the critique online females and making money. There's a whole underbelly of the "Black Manosphere" that crossed over with F&F.
• There's actually another Miami guy that does the same "thot panel" show like F&F, but he's not RP. He's a rapper, but he's based in Miami. It's more of a panel discussion/podcast.
• RSD even has their own marketing angle trying to push back on the IG Millionaire with Cars and Exotic trips narrative. (as they have been shooting promo videos in dozens of countries over the past 20 years and wearing the latest cool designer gear, lol, the irony)

And really, in all of these cases, it's just a smaller market than what F&F have.

 

[DarkKnight]

Yelling at Miami Thots and "putting them in their place" SELLS

I hate this shit. As if it will ever solve something

3) Why do guys like this content?

Men want to see the women HUMBLED.

"Winning" through proxy

 

[ulrich]

"Winning" through proxy

4) Why did traditional pick up avoid this?

Traditionally, on the pick up side, a chick that stands you up, or is always late, or doesn't stand by her commitments - we let it slide and chalked it up to female nature. We tried to see things from her side. It was a bandaid for our heart attacks....

I don’t think it was avoided as much as it was discarded.

What’s the point of putting a woman “in her place” publicly?
What do you win besides a temporary feeling of mental conquest?

The humiliated girl is less likely to want to hang around with you and therefore less likely to have sex.
You lose mate value to any woman who saw the situation closely.
And it’s not like you’re going to convince the rest of the women to act any different.

Besides massaging your ego, I don’t see what’s the personal advantage of ”fighting the good fight against the entitled women”.

 

[DarkKnight]

What’s the point of putting a woman “in her place” publicly?
What do you win besides a temporary feeling of mental conquest?

The public/viewer is winning by proxy emotionally like when your favourite team is winning. This is how people engage politics , sports and probably also this. "Our camp wins from the other camp" and I suspect that is what brings the viewer count.

Ultimately, nonsensical but apparently it sells

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

I don’t think it was avoided as much as it was discarded.

What’s the point of putting a woman “in her place” publicly?

It never happens privately.

You'll be in a relationship with a girl, she does something wrong.
You call her on it, but you end up being the villain.
She puts everything on you to the point where you, the person wronged, has to apologize.

If this has never happened to you, thank you're lucky stars. You might not understand.

This is the lived experience of millions of men, and that's why it speaks to them so deeply.

A lot of the traditional pick up artists will call men like these chumps, AFCS, Betas, etc...

But men from all stripes, all ages, all cultures, have dealt with two-faced women that cannot be relied on, cannot be trusted, that run to someone else to solve their problems, that have zero accountability.

To finally see just one chick, just one, held to account...

Catharsis.

What do you win besides a temporary feeling of mental conquest?

For a lot of these guys there is this catharsis when the first see this.
When they keep seeing it, it's about cheering on the team.

I don't watch sports, I personally think its dumb.

But millions of men watch american football, real football, cricket, boxing, mma - etc - and they "win" when their champion wins.

They get an internal state change from an external event.

The humiliated girl is less likely to want to hang around with you and therefore less likely to have sex.
You lose mate value to any woman who saw the situation closely.
And it’s not like you’re going to convince the rest of the women to act any different.

Besides massaging your ego, I don’t see what’s the personal advantage of ”fighting the good fight against the entitled women”.

These random internet thots weren't gonna sleep with the viewer in the first place.

As for "losing mate" value - women never want to be on the wrong side of the abuse, but they definitely cozy up to the abuser. And most importantly, the man doesn't need all women, just some.

If the male boss dresses down some female at the job, the women don't turn against him. Some might not even console the girl.

This sort of social dynamics and survival/parasitic behavior is what the Red Pill has exposed.

Traditional Pick Up, leave her better than you found her, sweeps this sort of bs under the rug. Even the sex club specialists don't delve too deeply into a chick's mentality in the BDSM stuff.

And if we really want to keep it real - the sort of night life, thrill seeking, drinking, cig/mj smoking, snorting, tripping, injecting, sucking and fucking, high heel, mini skirt, only fans/stripper type of girl - is HIGHLY sought after. Specifically because she's so damaged. Crazy Chick = Crazy Sex.

We deal with extremes in this hobby.

Who here hasn't come across Border Personality Disorder, Chicks on Meds, chicks that have been raped or molested, chicks that do all sorts of negative things for attention, self destructive behavior out of boredom?

Or we can pretend that all of us are deflowering farm fresh girls in their 1st 2 years of college.

 

[ulrich]

Yeah, totally agree with you guys, @West_Indian_Archie and @DarkKnight

And yet, as much as I understand that there is a kathartic feeling about watching your team “winning”… I personally get bored of those feelings really soon and get restless when things are not going MY way.

I guess I’m just wired different from the average chump.