My work in retail has made me even more sceptical of women

[NiceGuy110]

I'm currently working as a security guard in the retail sector. One thing I've noticed is that any time there's a complaint, or threat of a complaint about me (four times so far), it's always a woman.

Recently I was persuaded by this lady to be let into the store at closing time. I only get paid until closing. She said that she knew exactly what she wanted to get. A few minutes later I saw her wandering up and down the aisles taking her time. I reminded her that the store was closed (as I do with every customer), but I made the mistake of saying "I thought you said you knew exactly what you wanted". About a minute after this I bumped into her elsewhere in the store and she started repeatedly shouting at me "what's your name?". I refused to answer, and she started shouting the question towards staff, who also refused to answer. Later as I was leaving I saw her talking to one of the managers, obviously giving her sugar coated story. Could she not have just let it go, and have been grateful that she got in? And she was acting so nice earlier on.

Another time a lady arrived with her child at a minute after closing. When I stopped her just inside the door, she said "but my child ran out of the store crying". I said to her "that's unforunate, but tomorrow's another day". She replied "don't you dare talk down to me". I said "look we've our own lives to live to and staff have to get home". She argued back once again so I pretended that the tills shut off at 2 minutes past the hours. Of course as I was saying this, I knew that there were 1 or 2 customers going through the check outs. She turned away but she said "you'll be hearing from me". I thought it was over then and I exited the store to go home, but as she walked away she caught a glimpse of the customers inside (who probably entered 5 minutes ago) at the checkouts. One of these customers was her mother! If shed told me that at the beginning maybe I would have left her in! She ended up getting back in and asked the push over manager if she could buy something and he said yes. But when she was leaving she realised that she had came through the till after the time that I had said they shut off at! She started shouting "the tills didn't shut off, ha ha the tills didn't shut off" and it was then 4 minutes past the hour! Of course she wanted to make a complaint about the fact I lied!

And just the other night after there was an announcement of a shut down in my country, droves of people rushed down to our toy store to panic buy. Due to COVID 19, there was a huge queue (line) outside and only a certain amount of people were allowed in the store at a time. It got very messy managing the queue and there were a lot of demanding customers complaining that they weren't going to get in. After all my efforts to block the last few stubborn customers at the door after closing time, the push over manager left them in. Now both men and women had been difficult in the queue, but the one who wanted to make a complaint about me once they got inside was a female.

With the many people we deal with from day to day, we could often never guess whether or not there is a psycho side to them. In fact I'm almost certain that one woman faked a panic attack in order to get an exchange. There's also a good bit more female shoplifters than men!

Okay rant over!

 

[Tony D]

I could go deep into the dark nature of the female psychology. But there's a movement called "Red Pill" and another called "MGTOW" that's already gone far deeper than I'll ever care to. I went down this rabbit hole and emerged bitter, angry, and resentful of women. It hurt my sex life, and my overall happiness. But in the end, I'm wiser than I was.

Be careful if you stare into the abyss, that it doesn't stare back into you. And if you fight monsters, that you don't become one yourself.

 

[featherentertainment]

I could go deep into the dark nature of the female psychology. But there's a movement called "Red Pill" and another called "MGTOW" that's already gone far deeper than I'll ever care to. I went down this rabbit hole and emerged bitter, angry, and resentful of women. It hurt my sex life, and my overall happiness. But in the end, I'm wiser than I was.

Be careful if you stare into the abyss, that it doesn't stare back into you. And if you fight monsters, that you don't become one yourself.

What do you think about Rollo Tomassi's work and especially his Rational Male book series? I agree with all Rational Male books. This work didn't make me feel angry. It made me feel at peace, because what I suspected was confirmed. I now have tools, which are crucial for me to build fulfilling life for myself and made my path clear.

 

[featherentertainment]

I'm currently working as a security guard in the retail sector. One thing I've noticed is that any time there's a complaint, or threat of a complaint about me (four times so far), it's always a woman.

Recently I was persuaded by this lady to be let into the store at closing time. I only get paid until closing. She said that she knew exactly what she wanted to get. A few minutes later I saw her wandering up and down the aisles taking her time. I reminded her that the store was closed (as I do with every customer), but I made the mistake of saying "I thought you said you knew exactly what you wanted". About a minute after this I bumped into her elsewhere in the store and she started repeatedly shouting at me "what's your name?". I refused to answer, and she started shouting the question towards staff, who also refused to answer. Later as I was leaving I saw her talking to one of the managers, obviously giving her sugar coated story. Could she not have just let it go, and have been grateful that she got in? And she was acting so nice earlier on.

Another time a lady arrived with her child at a minute after closing. When I stopped her just inside the door, she said "but my child ran out of the store crying". I said to her "that's unforunate, but tomorrow's another day". She replied "don't you dare talk down to me". I said "look we've our own lives to live to and staff have to get home". She argued back once again so I pretended that the tills shut off at 2 minutes past the hours. Of course as I was saying this, I knew that there were 1 or 2 customers going through the check outs. She turned away but she said "you'll be hearing from me". I thought it was over then and I exited the store to go home, but as she walked away she caught a glimpse of the customers inside (who probably entered 5 minutes ago) at the checkouts. One of these customers was her mother! If shed told me that at the beginning maybe I would have left her in! She ended up getting back in and asked the push over manager if she could buy something and he said yes. But when she was leaving she realised that she had came through the till after the time that I had said they shut off at! She started shouting "the tills didn't shut off, ha ha the tills didn't shut off" and it was then 4 minutes past the hour! Of course she wanted to make a complaint about the fact I lied!

And just the other night after there was an announcement of a shut down in my country, droves of people rushed down to our toy store to panic buy. Due to COVID 19, there was a huge queue (line) outside and only a certain amount of people were allowed in the store at a time. It got very messy managing the queue and there were a lot of demanding customers complaining that they weren't going to get in. After all my efforts to block the last few stubborn customers at the door after closing time, the push over manager left them in. Now both men and women had been difficult in the queue, but the one who wanted to make a complaint about me once they got inside was a female.

With the many people we deal with from day to day, we could often never guess whether or not there is a psycho side to them. In fact I'm almost certain that one woman faked a panic attack in order to get an exchange. There's also a good bit more female shoplifters than men!

Okay rant over!

I recommend you look in here and read "The Rational Male" by Rollo Tomassi.

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therationalmale.com

 

[Tony D]

I recommend you look in here and read "The Rational Male" by Rollo Tomassi.

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therationalmale.com

I think Rollo is a toxic dude and his book is full of things that offer no benefit to my life.

Just look. You read Rollo, now you're seeing all of these women in a negative light. Case in point. You are what you eat.

 

[Skills]

I think Rollo is a toxic dude and his book is full of things that offer no benefit to my life.

Just look. You read Rollo, now you're seeing all of these women in a negative light. Case in point. You are what you eat.

^ This! please read this post, op: https://www.skilledseducer.com/thre...-of-guys-going-over-red-pill-movements.21779/

 

[featherentertainment]

I think Rollo is a toxic dude and his book is full of things that offer no benefit to my life.

Just look. You read Rollo, now you're seeing all of these women in a negative light. Case in point. You are what you eat.

Do you think information in Rollo Tomassi's books is false?

 

[YS.]

Do you think information in Rollo Tomassi's books is false?

I think Jordan Peterson said this. Also it's a core concept of My Big Toe. I'm somewhat paraphrasing:
"Truth is what works in life."

If it doesn't serve you, discard it. I think it's not in the sense of True/False but of paradigms, like 6 and 9.

Imagine a 6. You can stand at the bottom and see a 6 or you can stand at the top and see a 9. You're both correct, it depends on how you want to look at it. All I know is, one number is higher and all you need is a choice to see it.

 

[Tony D]

Do you think information in Rollo Tomassi's books is false?

I don't think it's false. I just don't find it all that useful. Honestly I haven't read all his work. I tried reading his book, which I believe is a series of his blog posts, and didn't read any concepts I hadn't already hear on MGTOW and Redpill Youtube channels. I got into the stuff, and became as a result, quite bitter towards women. In the end, I realized most of the info while true, wasn't serving me in any positive way. In fact, the opposite. It was hurting my ability to connect with women, and even my friends noticed I'd become very politicized.

I mean, women are hypergamous... so now what? They cheat, yeah? They have power in the divorce courts, they like to shop, and show their tits on Instagram. Yes, feminism is nasty. Men are soft like baby kittens and maybe a war would be good for us all. The core concepts are all sort of useless if your goal is to improve your life.

I want to move towards positive outcomes, not run from negative ones.

 

[Protean]

In the end, I realized most of the info while true, wasn't serving me in any positive way. In fact, the opposite.

That’s been my experience with the red pill as well. While most of the information is true most of the guys in the movement are far too bitter towards women. I suspect most guys there saw the worst of female psychology first hand and have swung the pendulum too far in the other direction.

I was planning on taking a crack at Rollo’s book, but after this thread I’m not so sure

 

[NiceGuy110]

I don't think it's false. I just don't find it all that useful. Honestly I haven't read all his work. I tried reading his book, which I believe is a series of his blog posts, and didn't read any concepts I hadn't already hear on MGTOW and Redpill Youtube channels. I got into the stuff, and became as a result, quite bitter towards women. In the end, I realized most of the info while true, wasn't serving me in any positive way. In fact, the opposite. It was hurting my ability to connect with women, and even my friends noticed I'd become very politicized.

I mean, women are hypergamous... so now what? They cheat, yeah? They have power in the divorce courts, they like to shop, and show their tits on Instagram. Yes, feminism is nasty. Men are soft like baby kittens and maybe a war would be good for us all. The core concepts are all sort of useless if your goal is to improve your life.

I want to move towards positive outcomes, not run from negative ones.

By the sound of it I think the Rational Male would be good to read it, as long as one is careful to be aware of one's own confirmation bias while doing so... and to remember that all is not black or white. You may end up seeing women in a more negative light and thus find it hard to connect with them, but it will help you to be able to call them out on their bullshit. And women love being called out on their bullshit. I think it is possible to have a good laugh with someone while being fully aware that you would hate that person if you actually had to live with them. In fact having a certain amount of contempt towards your seducee can help you manipulate them.

When I opened my eyes the whole way when it came to women it helped me realise a lot. For example, that girl that I thought was so sweet who totally adored me the time we met a some party... that same girl may have a very different face for someone else. She may very well have rather looked at the wall than greet my presence, if she had met me at at a different point in my life. But I'd never have thought of it that way, if I didn't listen to guys like Bill Burr and Louis CK (far more insightful than JP, they just don't use as much big words). I would just have went on thinking that same girl was so sweet and silly.

 

[featherentertainment]

I don't think it's false. I just don't find it all that useful. Honestly I haven't read all his work. I tried reading his book, which I believe is a series of his blog posts, and didn't read any concepts I hadn't already hear on MGTOW and Redpill Youtube channels. I got into the stuff, and became as a result, quite bitter towards women. In the end, I realized most of the info while true, wasn't serving me in any positive way. In fact, the opposite. It was hurting my ability to connect with women, and even my friends noticed I'd become very politicized.

I mean, women are hypergamous... so now what? They cheat, yeah? They have power in the divorce courts, they like to shop, and show their tits on Instagram. Yes, feminism is nasty. Men are soft like baby kittens and maybe a war would be good for us all. The core concepts are all sort of useless if your goal is to improve your life.

I want to move towards positive outcomes, not run from negative ones.

I agree to disagree.

 

[Carousel]

In general, a lot of so called "red pill" advice is either pure KJ, or even when not KJ, explicitly or implicitly framed in terms of what is bad or what one should not do, what one should avoid etc.

While this may be perfectly true, it is not always possible to deduce what to actually DO or what are BENEFICIAL actions from "DONT'S".

I remain highly skeptical to practical applications of the advice from older Manosphere "red pill" guys or guys like Jordan Peterson - these men may have some accurate observations and offer some valid analysis, but they lack hands-on field experience with current social realities, in particular Millennial or Gen Z women.

 

[Tony D]

In general, a lot of so called "red pill" advice is either pure KJ, or even when not KJ, explicitly or implicitly framed in terms of what is bad or what one should not do, what one should avoid etc.

While this may be perfectly true, it is not always possible to deduce what to actually DO or what are BENEFICIAL actions from "DONT'S".

I remain highly skeptical to practical applications of the advice from older Manosphere "red pill" guys or guys like Jordan Peterson - these men may have some accurate observations and offer some valid analysis, but they lack hands-on field experience with current social realities, in particular Millennial or Gen Z women.

Most redpill stuff is essentially the antithesis of third wave feminism. It's a reaction to it. It's addicting because it hits those lower frequency emotions... the sense of justice, and fairness, and moral righteousness. Essentially they rely on clickbait, anger porn to keep their followers hooked to the content.

So out of curiosity I looked up his blog. The second most recent article is the same ol shit... it's pua newbie stuff, men's rights dogma, manosphere on repeat. https://therationalmale.com/2020/03/03/your-mission-her-mission/

Okay... we get it. Women are stupid unless you can control them, find a trad wife... but oh wait... they don't exist... because women suck.

You read through all this theory and realize it's the same thing, over and over. To be honest, it's how I feel about pua stuff too... except pua at least gets you into bed, and relationships with women. But the redpill people will go "But you need to be aware of her true nature!" Yeah... well are you even aware of yours? Of how you're buying into a philosophy that gives you no more action steps other than "work out", "make more money" and "move to Thailand."

If you really want to find happiness, success, meaning and purpose... stay away from the manosphere stuff, and focus on positive messages that bring people together, not apart.

For all the criticism we have about women... there are just as many low vibration men, living the exact same stupid lives, with the exact same addictions.

Read books like "Flow", listen to spiritual gurus like "Alan Watts", learn guitar. Just don't become another cliche'd redpill dude bitching about how women were so much better back in 1984, before smartphones. Been there, done that.

 

[Chrance]

I recommend Rollos stuff; helped me process certain family issues I had; got me into pickup. It’s more of a casual read. Personally, I don’t think books need to always be actionable or to satisfy your will. Some books can just state facts or ideas and be good enough. Also, if you have the ability to vote, his perspective can influence your voting. His idea of the “feminine imperative”, though annoyingly repeated, does have truth to it. Of anything, you’ll become more aware of certain problems in the world - I don’t see a problem with that.

As to the bitterness of red pill men, well, it’s just a phase; not an excuse to keep yourself unaware just for good feelz.

I think heartiste had a more balanced, enjoyable perspective. Rollo seems a little on the spectrum

A future where men don’t take women as seriously - I don’t see a problem with this either; it would be better for the country and posterity

More men informed means less men sticking up for female bullshit.

 

[Mr.Rob]

@NiceGuy110

Who do you expect to do the crying and complaining at retail stores?

Your job by definition is to deal with the most annoying shoppers and the vast majority of retail shoppers are women. So of course your going to see the worst of the worst of the female sex in public.

That's not so much women but people. Some people (men and women) suck. But there are plenty of men and women that are great awesome people.

If you dont like your job then go do something else that let's you work with better people ... or just involve yourself in activities that will get you around better people and women.

As far as red pill goes it's a waste of time low consciousness material I'd avoid. Just read the articles by Hector and Chase on the nature of women and you'll be good to go.

When your constantly looking for the evil in women you'll always find it. (By the way men are just as shitty but in different less surprising ways).

 

[Carousel]

If we specifically analyze the case in the OP, we can approach it from two angles:

1) The Manosphere/JP fan angle: Read up on on how women are manipulative, ruin men's lives in divorce courts or lie about the pay gap or talk nonsense about student ratios in STEM fields.

2) The PU angle: Study frame control, rhetoric, conversation management, AMOGing, dealing with white knights and cucks, categorization of women into levels of craziness, profiling etc.

Who will likely solve the OPs problem? That is, psycho bitches and a white knight pushover boss? Old married guys like Rollo*, anonymous trolls like Heartiste**, university professors like JP used to academic debates, or a bunch of PUAs in their 20-40s who are dealing with various sorts of difficult individuals every weekend?

* I personally do not have anything against Rollo, I do find his content too abstract and verbose though. Abstractions are usable for guys who know a bit of game, however if you are a chode, you won't gain the required social skills just from this.

** Yes, I consider Heartiste to be a troll as his content seems optimally designed to stir up anger. This may sometimes be justified and I do not take a stand on whether it is in his case, however his intention is still to stir up shit. Until somebody shows me evidence that he has game, I will assume the opposite.

 

[Velasco]

Yes, I consider Heartiste to be a troll as his content seems optimally designed to stir up anger. This may sometimes be justified and I do not take a stand on whether it is in his case, however his intention is still to stir up shit. Until somebody shows me evidence that he has game, I will assume the opposite.

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I have mentioned Heartiste several times in my comments, as one of the influential dudes who helped me early in my pick-up journey. but I've always referred to him as "Roissy"instead, because that is the handle he went by before he was doxxed by some feminist in 2010(?). His early material (2007-2010) is the one I recommend. (since he was deplatformed, you'll have to type "heartiste" + the name of the article in riv's post, to google in order to read Roissy's posts).

 

[Skills]

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I have mentioned Heartiste several times in my comments, as one of the influential dudes who helped me early in my pick-up journey. but I've always referred to him as "Roissy"instead, because that is the handle he went by before he was doxxed by some feminist in 2010(?). His early material (2007-2010) is the one I recommend. (since he was deplatformed, you'll have to type "heartiste" + the name of the article in riv's post, to google in order to read Roissy's posts).

Yes and the writers are not him is other people pretending to be him... Red pill you can look as entertainment 98% of it is noise and kj.... And the bit relevant is taken from puas anyways...

 

[Tony D]

Yes and the writers are not him is other people pretending to be him... Red pill you can look as entertainment 98% of it is noise and kj.... And the bit relevant is taken from puas anyways...

I realized a few years ago that the real Roissy is no more, and that it was actually several anonymous writers.