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'Perception is reality'. That's bullshit

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jesslee09

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I hate it when people say 'perception is reality'. So if someone else perceives me to be X, all of the sudden that becomes reality? People's perception can be changed by you in an instant or over long periods of time. Perception in the end is corrected by reality, not my perception.

I'd like to hear some opposing arguments.
 

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At least according to some Girlschase members, Zac checks Girlschase.com 24 hours a day. 7 days a week.

At least that's the reality according to them :)

I think you might have something that is hard to convey. Are you able to elaborate the post? Because even myself, I find it hard to elaborate the core essence of the question.

z@c+
 

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My fine dining manager says this a lot, referring to how guests and pedestrians will view our words, actions, and the general display of our work place.

For example, even if all bases are covered and operations are going swimmingly, if a customer catches an employee looking down at their phone... that employee looks like they're slacking off and being lazy.

If a guest is choking on a piece of food, and coughing up a storm, other guests will see this and think that person has COVID-19 and think our restaurant is contaminated.

When one plate has a droplet of water on it (from being freshly cleaned) and it accidently is placed in front of the customer before it dries, it looks like we're unsanitary... even if it's literally just water.


In this regard, it's true.. perception is reality.

The statement itself isn't inherently true though. A better way to put it would be "people will view their current perception as reality, and run with it".

Though that doesn't really roll off the tongue, does it? ;)

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Such a complex subject.
What happens when your perception of reality is incorrect? (ie. you lie to yourself)

Damn, we could discuss this for years
 

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Knowing reality "in itself" (independent of your perceptions) is a hot topic people have jerked their thoughts to for centuries. There are different ways of looking at it.

On the one hand, you cannot know anything beyond what you can sense (i.e. your perceptions). For example, try teaching a fly the difference between a circle and a square. It will not be able to know. It does not have the senses that allow it to know. Another example: someone who is very stupid. Try to show them the difference between a girl liking them vs. a girl liking their money (A lot of money-time-effort-optimizers cannot perceive this). Your nature limits what you can know. You cannot know beyond what your nature allows, essentially. A final example: someone who is very angry at someone else and wants to kill them. Try to explain to them that killing someone out of anger is bad and impulsive, the sign of a shitty human being, and they will ignore you or make up some nonsense about how their situation is different, etc.

Another way of looking at it is to try to think of something you've never perceived at all, but "heard" or "read" about. Like in pickup - hearing about how opening and closing a girl works, versus actually doing it yourself; or hearing about what so-and-so country is like, and actually going there yourself; or lastly (and most importantly), hearing about some big abstract concept (God, natural rights, freedom, morality), and actually perceiving it yourself.

If you've never perceived in any way the thing you are talking about (God, natural right, freedom), then it is very difficult to argue or discuss or explain or to even imagine. You end up talking about nothing, "word-smithing", making sounds with the mouth without content or meaning.

Perceptions also include your own imagination and feelings, so things you can visualize and draw in your mind. I can imagine two dots in my mind, and then a line connecting the two; and if you are a human being, you should also be able to do this. Some people are so stupid however that even such a simple thing cannot be imagined, so all of geometry is not comprehensible to them - basic geometric facts become unknowable.

Also, if you've ever been knocked unconscious before or experienced a near death accident, you'd know a black hole exists - a time skip - of those experiences you had as you were unconscious. You are simply unable to imagine or recall what happened in those moments, other people need to tell you. Reality ceased to exist.

This perception vs. reality issue is run into all the time on the boards. For example, when we talk about our ideal woman, or the 'perfect 10'. There are a lot of similarities of what constitutes our ideal woman, but there are some subtle differences. What is an "objectively" perfect 10 woman is something none of us can actually demonstrate, but we can in fact sense if one woman is more attractive than another, which is all influenced by our own nature and experiences, as well as our individual abilities to perceive the world objectively, and this results in those similarities and differences. What can be said about the perfect HB10 can also be said about the perfect circle, the perfect square, the perfect car, plane, and so on.

"Don't argue with stupid people" is also a saying that relates to this discussion lol. The power of the ad hominem is also relevant, since it makes sense that if a person is not right in the head (poor character), their ability to process experience cannot be trusted. All arguments require a mutual agreement on experience (perceptions), even mathematical ones.

Personally, I try to look at reality like a coin. There is the subjective side and then there's the objective side. They are bound together, inseparable. This, in total, is reality.
 

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Perception is reality until proven wrong. This can be applied to many things but I see this parroted by dating coaches and people in general without giving it a thought.

One example I've seen this used is a dating coach saying the way you dress and your body language presents you one way. That is if you take an unattractive guy and fix his body language/fashion, she now perceives him as successful. It doesn't matter whether or not you're successful, all that matters is you look successful and she will assume such. 'Remember perception is reality'.

It's like that 'I'm the prize' mentality hocus pocus. "You're the prize, therefore act like the prize" yet you don't have shit going for you, yet you think you're the prize.

This might work on a woman who's inexperienced or naive. But woman who's around successful men and used to men dressing well with solid fundamentals already will see through your bullshit.

But the other way is also true where a guy might be dressed like 'shit' and not have the 'perfect body language' but overtime, his inner confidence sooner or later over-rides her perception of what she thought he was. 'Wait a minute, whys this guy so confident?'

This can also be related to people perceiving you as a 'weak target' because you're skinny. Yet you've been training boxing for the past 10 years. As soon as they test you 'you're weak perception' is destroyed as he gets knocked out.

I'm not aiming at anyone. Yet it irks me when people parrot some stereotypical quote like 'wolves don't concern themselves with the opinions of sheep' or 'perception is reality' without even questioning it.

Reality is reality, not perception is reality. You might think your perception is reality until real reality hits.
 

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Is this... skilled philosopher?

I think he refers to @West_Indian_Archie 's recent comment on the most recent Dan Bilzerian post (I'm really starting to hate Dan because he is being mentioned too much on the boards, we should talk about hot babes. Not that bearded guy).

Anyway the way OP presents this comment is taking it totally out of context and perhaps even willfully misunderstanding it.
 

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if someone else perceives me to be X, all of the sudden that becomes reality?

You do it to others so why be mad they do it to you? It's just how humans work.

The good news is you're 100% on control of how people perceive you. So if you don't like the way you're commonly perceived then you have full control to change that... Though most ppl don't think of it this way and just think their born that way or because of their childhood or whatever.

All it takes is some responsibility.
 

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The good news is you're 100% on control of how people perceive you.

I like to throw caution to the wind. That this is not 100% true in all setting.

You can ask any guy who is ever "successful" in night life. That change of realities and perception changes like a light switch.

Even "friends".

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jesslee09

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You do it to others so why be mad they do it to you? It's just how humans work.

The good news is you're 100% on control of how people perceive you. So if you don't like the way you're commonly perceived then you have full control to change that... Though most ppl don't think of it this way and just think their born that way or because of their childhood or whatever.

All it takes is some responsibility.

No-ones mad at anyone regarding human nature. Why? Because someone could perceive me a certain way, I don't give a shit how they perceive me. I'm aware of how certain perceptions of me can effect me, but there's no sense of emotion attached to how people perceive me because I can handle whatever outcomes come with that perception.

Anyone can do this.

What does annoy me to no end is when people parrot these mainstream quotes without even thinking about it critically.
 
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jesslee09

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Very often, by the time reality hits, the player has already gotten what he wanted.

3:25 - 4:15

So what you posted confirms what I wrote. A player can manipulate the reality for a short time to gain his agenda. Doesn't mean perception is reality.
 

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@jbl09 can you give an example of something you know that you’ve never perceived before?
 

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someone could perceive me a certain way, I don't give a shit how they perceive me.
My question is however, if he is condescending me, i.e using me to feel superior, does that mean he thinks I'm weak or an easy target?
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What does annoy me to no end is when people parrot these mainstream quotes without even thinking about it critically.
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Haha .The moment a person says “ I really don’t care what people think about me “ , I know he cares toooo much . Haha
 
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You didn't quote my full paragraph.

"I don't give a shit how they perceive me. I'm aware of how certain perceptions of me can effect me, but there's no sense of emotion attached to how people perceive me because I can handle whatever outcomes come with that perception."


Also, yes, when someone starts being condescending, you study the source of where it comes from so you can effectively deal with it. In order to not care about what someone thinks of you, you understand where it comes from and then find a solution to deal with it so you end up not caring about it.

For example, a person may find you as a threat to the girl they want to get with, so he attacks you. Once you find out the source of why he attacked you and learning how to deal with physical provocation, you really don't give a shit.

You get to a point where you don't give a shit about what someone thinks since you have a contingency plan in place.

But nice try on attacking me by copying and pasting parts of my paragraph!
 

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you study the source of where it comes from so you can effectively deal with it.
"deal with it" entails changing how you are perceived by people that view you a certain way.

Not caring = not caring whether people think your weak or an easy target.

by responding to me (and then starting that shoutout thread just now), instead of ignoring my comment or 'loling' at the irony, you're telling me you REALLY care what people think about you.

The reality (heh) is, all of us here care how we are perceived by people. that's why we put a lot of effort towards maximizing our fundamentals :)
 

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"deal with it" entails changing how you are perceived by people that view you a certain way.

Not caring = not caring whether people think your weak or an easy target.

by responding to me (and then starting that shoutout thread just now), instead of ignoring my comment or 'loling' at the irony, you're telling me you REALLY care what people think about you.

The reality (heh) is, all of us here care how we are perceived by people. that's why we put a lot of effort towards maximizing our fundamentals :)

There's a difference between being naive and not caring. It seems like YOU have an idea of what 'not caring' means. There can be threats imminent as a result of a perception, so you have a back up plan so that you know you can deal with shit if it hits the fan.

I gave a flat out example of someone thinking you're a weak target, so they try and fuck with you. You might care at that point, but once you know how to fuck with him back, you go back to not caring about what he thinks cause you have the confidence to deal with bullshit that comes with false assumptions/perceptions about you.

You just confirmed that you have 0 interest in discussions to get to the bottom of the course (which was what my call out is based off of) and trying to flip the script to 'point out my hypocrisy' about not caring. You get to a point of not caring once you build up enough confidence to know how to deal with it. There's a difference.

And no, i don't give a shit how I'm perceived once I know how to handle the effects of those perceptions but now I do feel that this is flying over your head and can't seem to grasp your head around this subtle difference. How are you a senior member? Or maybe I should've been skeptical of 'senior members' here in the first place.
 
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