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DeepShadow

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Disclaimer: Moved from the thread "Mystery Method Revisited" since it was off-topic to the thread.

@Karea Ricardus D., @Skills, @Warped Mindless and others (including those who participated in the MM thread, since it is assumed the @DeepShadow would like a response from them).


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Can I ask you something slightly off topic?

I am new in the field of seduction for a few months and I started with girlschase of which I bought the course on charisma. But I wanted to know in your opinion which other sites or courses / books are reliable and useful:

Actually, so far few have seemed reliable to me, besides girlschase it seems legitimate to me alex from playing with fire, who told me that john anthony is the most prolific guy in the community with the best system, but I don't know if that's true and how much the affirmation is due to a probable friendship, then I saw some writings of: 60 years of challenge, dave riker, richard la ruina, tusk. Also I don't know if it's true I know mark manson for his best selling book but they told me he was also a very good seducer and had a good book.
Could you give me an opinion on these and if it's worth it?

Also if it can help to recommend something for me in particular I am around 50 lays and I am a little over 20 years old I could define myself as a natural for the natural abilities but I do very little volume because I almost always choose super on girls (probably due in part perfectionism and having a high success rate, which I have had all my life in every sport area etc, but I almost never have approach anxiety) and I go out to pick up very little. I'm a tall handsome guy with a nice body, you might think like a slightly nordic charlie hunnam, even though 20% of the girls tell me i'm latin and mostly italian or nordic countries like russia.

As a style of play I would not know how to give a reference but as I wrote in other posts I find myself in resonance of girlschase with chase, hector, and alek because I share elements of it, and also my playing field is not limited to a scenario but where I it happens.

something in short about strengths and things to improve
My strong points certainly have a strong frame, masculine presence, confidence and verbal skills (even if I'm wrong I always manage to be right and often the girls tell me that I should be a lawyer).
Points to improve: definitely force myself to increase the volume, create more emotional peaks, be more constant in the sense that my results and conversations are very variable based on the situation and girl and for example with girls who turn out to be maybe and with whom I am not very reachable I give up and do not turn the situation upside down, I push the girls too much towards self-refusal. This comes to me for now. if you want to ask me some questions or other I am available. thank you
 
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ulrich

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There are many sources to learn from but, since you’re pretty advanced yourself, I think it would make more sense to direct you to something specific to your goals instead of something for the general public.

What goals are you trying to reach with seduction? Lay a 100? Find the perfect woman for you? Lay a big volume but only high quality?

And, which kind of girls are you looking to attract?
 

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There are many sources to learn from but, since you’re pretty advanced yourself, I think it would make more sense to direct you to something specific to your goals instead of something for the general public.

What goals are you trying to reach with seduction? Lay a 100? Find the perfect woman for you? Lay a big volume but only high quality?

And, which kind of girls are you looking to attract?
I don't really know, I'm young and I want to test the limits, now that I don't have much time to go out I have 3/4 friends in bed. But when I can get back to having massive experience I would like to try to have a one-sided monogamous relationship, the fact is that I like to be honest and not make people suffer more than they should even if inevitably, regardless of what you say or do you always risk. offend / hurt and therefore I don't like having a woman and not telling her to go with others.

So the goal is to raise my skills more and more to have more and more women and quality and to make them accept more and more things that they normally would not do.

I wrote about the strong points and points for improvement in the comment above.

Kind of woman, i have no aesthetic preferences, I have to like and impress overall even if physically I have an ancient Greek / Latin aesthetic canon with 90 60 90 shapes. The character side also depends on what kind of relationship I want to have with them. However, I certainly like women who challenge me, intelligent, classy but at the same time are very multifaceted and know how to adapt to various scenarios with a great personality.
So those resources I mentioned are all to be discarded?
Does @Teevster have a book?

some example of woman:
 

Karea Ricardus D.

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I'm a tall handsome guy with a nice body, you might think like a slightly nordic charlie hunnam, even though 20% of the girls tell me i'm latin and mostly italian or nordic countries like russia.
I DON'T WANT TO HELP GUYS LIKE YOU!! o_O Pickup Artisrty should be illegal for you! Game is for us average Joe's to level the playing field with guys like you! :p

Just kidding. I did coach a guy like you once and a year later he had gone from 5 lays to about 150... so that's your bench mark!

The library I always recommend for a well-rounded knowledge base of all the fundamentals is:
  • Inner Game: everything by David D. His material has its limitations but for inner game it's fantastic... very good stuff on how to be a "together guy". David is a "together guy" if there ever was one, built his business to 25 million a year... 'nough said.
  • Outer Game 1.0: everything by Mystery. No further explanation required as I've elaborated on that in the other thread.
  • Outer Game 2.0: sexualization... I learned this from the Dallas Crew, but their stuff has been wiped off the internet and these days I'd say your best bet is reading all of Teevster's stuff.
You asked about Mark Mason's book, I think you mean the book called "models", yes? I did like that book and I think it's great on the fundamentals also.

In general I agree with others here that girlschase is the top resource in the world right now so just read as much of the blog and forum as you can... this may sound biased since I wrote for the blog before but I didn't get the job first and then endorse these guys... it was the other way round... we all hung out on advanced private pickup forums together and THEN Chase started the blog and hired us all to write.

Hope that helps!

-Karea.
 
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I DON'T WANT TO HELP GUYS LIKE YOU!! o_O Pickup Artisrty should be illegal for you! Game is for us average Joe's to level the playing field with guys like you! :p

Just kidding. I did coach a guy like you once and a year later he had gone from 5 lays to about 150... so that's your bench mark!

The library I always recommend for a well-rounded knowledge base of all the fundamentals is:
  • Inner Game: everything by David D. His material has its limitations but for inner game it's fantastic... very good stuff on how to be a "together guy". David is a "together guy" if there ever was one, built his business to 25 million a year... 'nough said.
  • Outer Game 1.0: everything by Mystery. No further explanation required as I've elaborated on that in the other thread.
  • Outer Game 2.0: sexualization... I learned this from the Dallas Crew, but their stuff has been wiped off the internet and these days I'd say your best bet is reading all of Teevster's stuff.
You asked about Mark Mason's book, I think you mean the book called "models", yes? I did like that book and I think it's great on the fundamentals also.

In general I agree with others here that girlschase is the top resource in the world right now so just read as much of the blog and forum as you can... this may sound biased since I wrote for the blog before but I didn't get the job first and then endorse these guys... it was the other way round... we all hung out on advanced private pickup forums together and THEN Chase started the blog and hired us all to write.

Hope that helps!

-Karea.

yeah! i would also get 60yoc 4 main books for physical and micro escalations....

teevester does not have a book just read this (is kind of his book)
 

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I DON'T WANT TO HELP GUYS LIKE YOU!! o_O Pickup Artisrty should be illegal for you! Game is for us average Joe's to level the playing field with guys like you! :p

Just kidding. I did coach a guy like you once and a year later he had gone from 5 lays to about 150... so that's your bench mark!

The library I always recommend for a well-rounded knowledge base of all the fundamentals is:
  • Inner Game: everything by David D. His material has its limitations but for inner game it's fantastic... very good stuff on how to be a "together guy". David is a "together guy" if there ever was one, built his business to 25 million a year... 'nough said.
  • Outer Game 1.0: everything by Mystery. No further explanation required as I've elaborated on that in the other thread.
  • Outer Game 2.0: sexualization... I learned this from the Dallas Crew, but their stuff has been wiped off the internet and these days I'd say your best bet is reading all of Teevster's stuff.
You asked about Mark Mason's book, I think you mean the book called "models", yes? I did like that book and I think it's great on the fundamentals also.

In general I agree with others here that girlschase is the top resource in the world right now so just read as much of the blog and forum as you can... this may sound biased since I wrote for the blog before but I didn't get the job first and then endorse these guys... it was the other way round... we all hung out on advanced private pickup forums together and THEN Chase started the blog and hired us all to write.

Hope that helps!

-Karea.
Well, anyway I'm not a god hahaaah and beauty is very subjective and in fact my slightly Nordic aspect penalizes me a bit too, Italians are very conservative and exotic aspects are unattractive if not for some people. The only ones who stand out in Italy in general that fascinate girls are Spanish and French for relative similarity but a narrative that describes them as good lovers.

who is david d.? what is the full name?
what is the mystery site to find your course / book? I can not find it
while the other authors I have mentioned are valid or should I leave them alone? also i have seen some courses of derek rake i don't know if they can be good for me?

however they will continue here. The others are only secondary resources to integrate some other concept or see them from different angles. you are the ones who impressed me the most.
 

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thank you skills. without rewriting what do you think of the last comment in response to ricardus
Start with models, 60 yoc, and the link I gave you to teevester that should be good enough for fun and inspiration the game is what everyone started with, David d Angelo had a book called double your dating that is the first book I read I was like you a natural, got laid a lot and 10 year girl from it, is very basic.. you have more than enough recommendations, no more mr. Nice guy is good and how to win friends and influence people non pua books... and for relationships the passion trap... most of those were written generation x you need to calibrate to gen z
 

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Start with models, 60 yoc, and the link I gave you to teevester that should be good enough for fun and inspiration the game is what everyone started with, David d Angelo had a book called double your dating that is the first book I read I was like you a natural, got laid a lot and 10 year girl from it, is very basic.. you have more than enough recommendations, no more mr. Nice guy is good and how to win friends and influence people non pua books... and for relationships the passion trap... most of those were written generation x you need to calibrate to gen z
do you think derek rake's books on relationships are good for today or do you recommend others? however much appreciated the advice
 

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those girls on Instagram are fire. but I did notice a few things about girls like that they all are pretty provider-focused or fks super high-quality guys in their social circle, I haven't seen real people being able to lay them other than guys with huge clout.

exotic edges I know is area you can focus on upping to be more polarizing, but would love to see some example or case studies regarding these. I know teevester pulls n closes consistently good quality, but don't know if they are these kinds of quality.
 

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those girls on Instagram are fire. but I did notice a few things about girls like that they all are pretty provider-focused or fks super high-quality guys in their social circle, I haven't seen real people being able to lay them other than guys with huge clout.

exotic edges I know is area you can focus on upping to be more polarizing, but would love to see some example or case studies regarding these. I know teevester pulls n closes consistently good quality, but don't know if they are these kinds of quality.
you should tag the various advanced members of the group to find out how often and in what relationship they have this type of girl in terms of beauty. I would say out of 50 only 2 that I can consider my 10 as these.
 
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