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I'm starting a journal as an outlet for me to write about approaches I make good or bad, any lessons I learn from dating and social dynamics and any other ephiphanies or observations I have that I feel are worthy of posting. I intend to take seduction more seriously. I wrote a journal before,but this is one that i'm really gonna focus on.

I have been that guy who has always procrastinated going out to approach and mentally masturbated and sought out more info and knowledge when instead I should've been out taking action and making attempts to approach women and learn. I have always held myself back and as much as I want to blame my oppressed upbringing and background for my struggles with women it won't change anything. At the end of the day it's all victim mentality and I will never grow.

No more! I'm tired of waiting to go out to approach when I feel like it or when I want to do it. I know I deserve better. I need accountability from others because I struggle to hold myself accountable so that's why i'll post here.

In addition to that im traveling to Las Vegas to do a weekend bootcamp with a coach. I'm excited and a bit nervous naturally,but i'm looking forward to it. I've approached before,but never mass approaching. I will approach one girl,feel good about myself and then go back home. Fuck that shit. I got to treat this like a job and that's what this bootcamp is for. But i'm going to make sure I have fun and not put too much pressure on myself. This coach has gotten results from all of his clients no matter their level of game and watching his youtube videos I can tell he definetly is a legit coach and I trust him.

I would say who this guy is,but idk if it's permitted by the mods because it might be seen as promoting a unpaid service. I'll just say that he's a friend/wingman of Denton Fisher a girlschase alumni.
 
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Starboy

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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The past night I checked into my hotel and it was a high end hotel. In hindset it probably would've been better if I choose a more simpler one that was also closer to the businesses,but whatever.

My coach gives me the contact of one of his wings and buddies since he won't be in Vegas until Friday afternoon. On my way to meet this guy I learned what Vegas showgirls are: Scantily clad women who flirt with guys to make them feel good and get tips for photos. One of them asked me to take a photo for some female tourists, flirted with me,said I was handsome and asked if I wanted a photo with her. I declined and tried to flip it around and be cheeky and suggest I take her out,but learned it wouldn't work so I kept it moving.

I met up with homeboy. Pretty chill lowkey dude. We talk,walk and shoot the shit. Eventually we start just talking to random girls. I was kind of ehh about doing it,but fuck it I talk to some women. Most of them were brief interactions. He did some approaches of his own too. He would stop to open them and then walk with them in whatever direction they were walking. I wasn't comfortable doing that so I would just make a comment or say a direct opener to girls I was walking alongside of.

Girl one was wearing some prom looking dress with some shit wrapped around her shoulder, I said : did you win prom queen or something?
She said yeah bla bla bla (don't remember)
and I didn't really follow up.
Girl two: i walked up to some ladies "hey I just wanted to say I think you ladies look cute" She gave a terse thanks like sure. I said how's your night going she responded quickly good and put her phone up to her face as if she was on the phone.
Girl three: maybe not so much of an approach with an opener,but a comment. This was suggested by homeboy who said to make a joke about trying a girl's margarita drink. I asked what drink she had she pointed in front of the bar we was standing near and then said it was mango or some shit. I joked about trying it,but didn't really sell it I think.
Last girl: a girl and her friend two blondes we had kind of followed them up the bridge sidewalk and I went and said "hey I just wanted to say I think you're cute" and she was like thanks like in a attitude that said sure or kay. I didn't feel any incentive or motive to carry on if I didn't feel she was into it so I just ejected.

We eventually called it a night since he had to work. After he separated I found my mood change. When I had checked into my hotel and walked out I felt good and kinda like a boss. I'm a independent man here in fucking Vegas away from my controlling manipulative parents and my boring, lazy colleagues and friends and i'm gonna meet cute girls and have a good time.

But after he had left and I started walking around by myself I started to kind of feel a bit cynical and despondent. All these thought started to pop into my head like damn what was the point of all of that and was it the right idea to come to this state by myself? I see so many guys with their cute,hot significant other and groups of friends who look like their having a good time with eacher other and I came here alone to just randomly approach women and hope one will give me the time of day and maybe come back to my room to hookup. After thinking about how tonight went it seemed like a longshot to me. I also thought if I came back to nyc after this bootcamp I would probably revert back to the same guy who would just do dumb pointless shit like play 2k and lay in bed,but not cold approach. I couldn't even call a cab because the vegas strip doesn't really have any curbs for a cab to park their car to pick up passenger so I ended up walking 30 min back home.

I tried to just relax myself,focus on the present and not look far ahead in the future. I didn't like feeling hopeless and already like a lost cause. I didn't even start the actual bootcamp and my ego already wanted to tap out. From reading Echart Tolle "power of now" and "a new earth" I learned that the ego doesn't like to feel threatened or wrong and doing pickup doesn't feel right initially so it's normal for me to feel this way. The key to overcoming this is to just be aware of it. I'm gonna try to learn state control. It's something that know I probably won't master in one night.
 
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@Starboy I know what you're feeling Starboy as this was something I dealt with a month ago when I did cold approach in my hometown and got burnt out for the most of it. I find what keeps me sane in these moments is realizing getting rejected by a girl has no real effect on my life besides the effect I let it have on my mind. You wrote a bit about state control and this has a lot to do with it. I've realized how much a rejection affects me is ENTIRELY in my hands, and either reminding myself how much it doesn't matter, or reframing a rejection into something positive("Cool... I get to learn from what I just did wrong and get even better") or even finding the successes in my failure like "at least I had the balls to shoot my shot in a way 99% of guys are to scared to do without alcohol" keep me motivated and makes approaching fun, which is what it should be.

Another part of it is also realizing what's causing these interactions to not go the way you want them to and getting past these sticking points, which I'm sure your coaches will be able to address.
To increase your success rate, I recommend reading this post by Bacchus and some of the links of his GC writing on there.
 

Starboy

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Day 1 of bootcamp(Scroll down if you want to see approach descriptions)
Prior to when I had met my coach AG Hayden I was struggling with state control. I felt lonely,despondent and almost miserable. Like why did I come here by myself? I had thoughts of just staying in my room until AG came to Vegas cuz he was out of the state.
I meditated for 15 minutes to clear my mind something @Tony D taught me and ease my thoughts and it helped momentarily.

But when I went outside on the streets my bad state of mind came back. I saw women wearing shorts in 99 degree weather and I had so many swirling thoughts. Do I approach girls before meeting with him? Should I warmup or is it better I wait for him? I misread his bootcamp details and thought it was going to be 8 hrs,but it was only 4 which was fine because 8 hrs is kinda OD and 4 is plenty good enough. But this means I had so much excess time and I had these false expectations and because of that I didn't plan to do anything else and was walking around by myself. I kind of kept meandering on the strip just checking out places trying not to look depressed. I did VR and it was wack. Sat down to eat at bwings and watched sports for a bit until the meetup for the bootcamp.

AG was running a bit late,but eventually we link up and he comes with Denton Fisher who I was pleasantly suprised to see. At first I said wassup to these guys and they didn't recognize me at first. They are so popular on the strip that people will just say hi to them lol.

We introduce ourselves and we walk around and start off small just saying random things to people for the sake of warming up. I was reluctant and scared at first naturally. My ego didn't wanna do shit. But I saw these guys just spout ridicuolous shit to people passing by like nice shirt, or nice face. I eventually followed suit and copied them by saying dumb shit to people too. He would point out girls for me to talk to and I would do it albeit with some resistance. They would both walk with me and give me feedback at different points. But I would take a deep breathe focus on the moment and say yo and get their attention. I approached so many people this one outing i'm not sure I can recall them all or put a number to it. I'll try my best to do them all or the ones that I felt were important. These are not in order of when it happened just in order of when I can recall it.

Girl 1 (skinny blonde white girl with mom maybe?):Said to her l I think you look cute. She said thank you. We have a brief chat. Talk about where i'm from and she's from. I number close. Avery complimented me on my number close and said I had good eye contact even though I didn't think it. This was my first cold approach number she first suggested snapchat and she asked to put in my number which indicates to me she's may not be serious about meeting up,but whatever.

Girl 2: I approach some girl avery points out and said she was cute. She said thank you. Then she said she was engaged and she'll talk to be friendly,but won't give her number out. I was like that's ok just wanna chat. We was crossing the street and she was saying i'm just gonna leave my friends behind. A min later parted ways.

Girl 3(blonde with group):Avery suggested I say a tv reference to a girl. I say the reference to the girl and there was some confusion because she didn't know the reference and neither did I. Avery jumps in to help and contribute. Eventually dude's brother was like no disrespect guys and kind of ended the interaction and the sister was like nice meeting you guys so we walked away. Avery said they were drunk and I didn't pick up on it at the time.

Girl 4 skinny asian girl with friends : I said she was cute and she said thanks. Talked about some menial basic shit. Her girlfriends whispered stick together and then she ignored what I had to say.

Girl 5 blonde tattoo bitch with two friends walking beside her: I told her "I just wanna say I think your tattoo is badass." She's like thanks. The tatoo is a face and I ask what is that. She says what do you mean what is that in a kind of defensive way. I mean like who is that and she says it's a face of her grandma. Then she walks away. Whatever I didn't actually think your tatoo was badass it's just an easy compliment.

Girl 6: Asian girl with tattoos and her friend:I think I complimented her by saying sick tattoos (even though I don't actually give a shit. Call me manipulative). We have a brief discussion where it's almost like a Q@A. Eventually their friends pull them away to get something and they leave.
Later on we see them again and Avery tells me to approach them again and say do you believe in second chances? Lol I didn't wanna do it cuz then I really felt like a creep predator,but did it after asking if they were waiting on line for a bar. Said the line and they shook their heads.

Girl 7 some tall blond bitch who's a friend of a girl Denton is talking to:Avery suggested I speak to the friend because she looks bored. I make an attempt to talk to her and she was not having it. I said I was from NY and a friend of Denton and she was like ok like idgaf. Funny part is Denton had just ejected and wasnt talking to the other girl anymore and later he said he probably should've closed.

Girl 8 chick with fatass and glasses alongside a friend crossing the street: "hey I just want to say that I think you look finneee" with my best attempt at a smile and genuine sincerity. She said thank you,but I didn't really try hard enough to keep up the convo and almost tripped on some shit and ejected.

Girl 9 women sitting in casino with big thighs(muscle woman according to AG):I didn't want to approach her,but took a deep breath and said hey or yo I just wanna say I think you're cute. She responds thanks. I say do you squat or workout at the gym you have really big quads. She smiles and says no,but i'm actually pregnant. I chuckle and say oh ok didn't know pregnancy makes your legs bigger I thought it was just your stomach and titties. I say have a nice day she says thank you.

Girl 10 brown skinned girl with a nice ass who avery identified as a "slut in a good way": I go up to her and say "yo I just wanted to say I think you're fine" in my attempt at a genuine way. She smiles and says thank you. We talk and avery talks to her girlfriend to wingman who wasn't as cute I think. I tell her where i'm from she says she's from LA I jokingly ask her if there's a migrant movement from Cali to Vegas because a bunch of girls I spoke to said they were from Cali. We have a pretty good interaction she says she was going back to the Cosmopolitan and I joke I thought it was the Cosmopolitan HQ for the blog. Eventually I ask for her number and she obliged and seemed receptive to the point where I think she would legit meetup.

Girl 11 skinny white girl who I was apprehensive of approaching: I just comment and say "yo I just wanted to say I like your outfit" she says thanks and I just walk ahead as if that's all I wanted to do which I sort of did.

Girl 12 white girl with her friend sitting down on a table: I was probably the most scared of approaching because she had a resting bitch face and she was sitting down. I said hey I think you look cute after mumbling the first time. She smiled and said thank you. We eventually start shooting the shit talking about random stuff that I filled in the blanks through instinct ,Avery comes in and wings her friend who I said she looks like Maggie from the Walking Dead which she really did lol. They were gonna go somewhere later in the night and I think 2mm so I didn't try to number close and we wished each other farewell.

Girl 13 some blonde lady with some leaf tattoo sitting in a casino bar with two ladies: I didn't approach at first because I guess I feel intimidated approaching women who sit down and are a bit vulnerable. Also I saw two other badder bitches I would've tried to speak too if they wasn't talking to some dudes. I wait a while and eventually I just say yo I just wanna say I think your tattoo looks sick. She smiles and says thanks. As if I meant it for real lol.

Girl 14 Chubby asian girl with friend: they was waiting on a line and I opened her by saying I think she looks cute. She says thanks we talk briefly and then she and her friend go somewhere I think.

Girl 15 skinny cute white girl: I thought she was walking by herself and I say "hi I wanted to say I think you're cute". She laughed and said thanks. Eventually found out she was walking with her parents and I was like ooh my bad.

Girl 16 spanish looking kinda ghetto girl with nose rings who's a friend of a girl Denton knows: this one wasn't much of an approach,but more of a convo after she had an icebreaker of me standing awkwardly around while her friend was talking. Her friend is one of those shoegirls and she just started. We had a solid convo,but when it came ti number close she was like I could ask my friend to tell her friend to give me her number lol

That was the last girl I remember speaking to. I got a lot done this night more compared to anything I ever did. Had a really good time and I remember wanting to avoid doing the work,but these guys really encouraged me and pushed me to do all this. Honestly a lot of these girls I wasn't super attracted to,but not all girls you approach have to be girls you wanna fuck. I really don't like girls who wear heavy makeup or have crazy looking,bizarre tattoos. I didn't think a lot of these girls were cute like that I was just kind of making them feel good.

Some things he told me that I could've done better and I recognize was to
1. Approach in front of the girl and not behind her diagonally
2. Not always do Q@A and try to tease and make statements.
3. Avoid always going for the boring predictable remark. "Hey i'm starboy" "i'm from nyc what about you"
4. Speak more loudly and clearly. This has been an issue for me my whole life practically so naturally it would effect me here. By the end of the bootcamp however I was speaking as clear as day.
5. Don't try to stop on the sidewalk because girls can feel trapped.

Feel good about what I did. Even if the two girls who's # I got don't respond to any texts I send i'll be ok with it. I feel I could do this again and had great momentum buildup,but even then my ego still would like to avoid approaches.

I also opened a set who I almost didn't because Avery said on my way home I could so some approaches so I did to this one girl and she was too good to be true because she suggested thru text she was a hooker. Bleh.

Besides that great night. Wish I would've approached this lady with a big butt who was just checking in when I came back to my hotel, had so much momentum and she even stopped briefly for a second away from her friends (sigh)
 

Starboy

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Day 2 of Bootcamp

Just like yesterday I was kind of struggling with being in a good mood because I knew I was by myself during the day with no friends and I had to keep myself entertained. I was wondering if I should approach or not and I thought I got to approach I can't wait for Avery and Denton to start approaching. I need to do some before. Why waste my time doing nothing?

Approach 1: In this casino I saw some cute white girl in a blouse sitting on a slot machine. I hesitated at first,but made myself do it. I said hey she didn't hear me at first cuz mask. "I just wanted to say I think you look very cute". She said aw thank you. I said my name and she said I actually have a bf he's literally sitting at this same table. I said ok no problem have a good day. She said thank you I really appreciate it.

Approach 2:See another white woman sitting by herself in a slot machine. I went up to her said Hi. She replied hi. I just wanted to say I think you look cute. She said aw thank you that's very sweet. I talk to her a bit find out where she's from I kind of struggle with what to say I ask about her game. I try to suggest meeting up later that day since she was leaving tommorow,but she said she was having dinner with her friends. I said no problem have a good day.

These two approaches made me feel better about myself and put me in a upbeat mood. I asked out this girl who was the same race as me and overheard me say I was from nyc to this guy. We talk and have very similiar background and beliefs thought she was into me suggested we hangout after her shift she said no thanks. Goes to show even if you think you have a potential connection sometimes girls are just friendly and polite.

Approach 3@4 I meet up with Avery and Denton at the mall.
Approached two sets of girls at the mall. Struggled to speak through the mask inside. Got ignored after saying they're cute.

Approach 5: Some ok looking white girl I went up to her said she was cute she said thanks. I kind of was hesistant. Didn't push too hard. Said she was with family. Eventually ejected.

Approach 6: AG pointed out a girl and told me to ask who she's waiting for. Went up to some girl standing around in a casino said she was cute. Asked who she's waiting for and she had a bf who then pulled up lol.

Approach 7: AG pointed out another woman a blonde looking milfy woman sitting in a seat. I hesistated at first trying to see if a guy was near her. I opened her and told her she was cute. She appreciated the compliment. I asked if she was waiting for anyone. She said yeah her bf is around the corner. I said no problem have a good day and she said thank you.

Approach 8: Ag and Denton pointed out a fine ass girl for me to approach and I went up to her and said Hey I just wanna say I think you look fine. She laughed and said thank you. She seemed really into me at the time. We talked I said I was from nyc and she said she was from Jersey. I asked what she was up to her and she said she was gonna get food and then meet up with her friends. I number closed,but I made a mistake saying it was nice to meet you i'll text you later. That may have signaled to her that I wasn't really about it and she auto rejected me off that. I texted her later that night asked when she was free for drinks she never responded. Sucks maybe I could've suggested we hang out then. Avery and Denton was really impressed with how she looked. The difference was I had good vocal tonality in this approach.

Approach 9: Said to some girl with a big butt I think you look very sexy. She responded wow very softly and unimpressed. I ejected after that.

Approach 10: Said to a girl in a red dress walking with her friend in a casino hey I just want to say I think you look amazing. She said thanks and she didn't stop and I didn't walk with her. Probably could've.

Approach 11: approached a girl with her friend said I liked her valentine shaped earrings. She said thanks. She and her friend was trying to get lemonade from starbucks,but it was closed. We start talking about alchohol and drinking. Then her friend says it was nice meeting you and they dipped. Ag says they were a lesbian couple. I didn't notice lol.

Approach 12: Went after a girl Denton and Avery said checked me out hard. At first she stopped and some other dude approached her. She left him and I opened her said she was cute I think. We start talking I say where i'm from she says she's from Cali,but working here. She has two kids and a bf. She was very upset with her bf because she feels unappreciated and insecure by the lack of attention he's providing her. Wasn't sure what to do I tried to console her by saying she shouldn't blame herself and putting my arm around her shoulder ,but I feel like I was just being an emotional tampon. Idk how I could've pulled her she said she had to work in a hr. Eventually we made our way to the taxi valet and she gave me a goodbye hug. She told me she appreciated me. Ag said she didn't like her bf and would've fucked,but I don't know what I coulda done logistically.

Approach 13: went to some asian chick walking with two friends said I liked her outfit said she had good sense of fashion. She said thanks. We talked a bit I said my name she said nice to meet you I said your parents didn't give you a name. She laughed and said sin. I was like sin like you must repent to Jesus Christ for your sins? She said yeah and then I said are you gonna repent for the sins you're gonna commit tonight and her friends pulled her away and said sorry that's too much LOL. It came off the wrong way and I meant sins as in drinking not like us fucking,but their friends came to rescue her. Shit was comedy to me looking back at it.

Approach 14: I approached some skinny white girl with her friend said she was cute said thanks. Introduced my name she said it was nice meeting you and some dude pulled up maybe her bf or guy friend lol.

Approach 15: AG pointed out three girls to approach. I waited a while,but then approached this girl with a lion tattoo and said hey I think your tattoo is badass looks like lion king. She said thanks. We talk and asked what they were up to and they said nowhere in particular just exploring. I said cool i'll text you later maybe when you're not with your friends or something like that. Later I texted no response.

Approach 16: Approached some filipino girl in a glittering red dress complimented her on her outfit she said thanks. She kind of had a nervous vibe I think. We talked for a min or two. Asked what she was up to. She said she was going back to her hotel room with her friend or something. Suggested we hang out. She said she had to guide her friend or some shit. I number close her. Later on I send her a icebreaker text and her message blocking was on Lol.

Approach 17: I approached the showgirl who I first met when I came to Vegas after I left my hotel. She was the one who said I was handsome.I didn't recognize her at first,but she recognized me. We chatted and she said she was off the clock and wasn't working because off the wind earlier and how the feathers off her hat would fall off. I asked if she was going anywhere and I think she said no in the moment ,but she might meet up with friends later on. I should've pulled her there and suggested we go together to get drinks and she could meet up with her friends later,but noob me thought let's exchange numbers and check back in an hr. She's one I really wanted she looked good and she thought I looked good I felt there was something left on the table. I texted her later that night she never responded. Wish I would've just made something happen then and there.

There was other girls I spoke to who I didn't include either cuz I didn't remember them or because it wasn't much of an approach more of a comment I made.

Eventually me and the guys separated they were going to a rave. I called it a night. I did so many approaches and could've done more,but at that point I didn't have the desire. It was 11 something and I thought most girls are with their friends they're gonna go somewhere,I don't know how to isolate a girl I don't think she would be down so I walked home.

I improved for sure that night. I got 4 numbers although all flaked,ignored etc. I know for a higher success rate if I give a direct opener to always walk with them and chat to fill in the blanks even if they're not putting effort initially. Got to stoke the fires a bit. Also if a woman says she's gonna go with friends try to suggest you hang now to get a drink and her friends can join later. I only have one more day left here in Vegas so grabbing a number and meeting them the next day isn't an option.

Lessons learned: Be louder, assume you're the shit,don't reject your own approach unless she gives two rejection signals, don't wait too long to approach, be more demanding and try to hang out closer than later, maybe touch more I didn't do a lot of that,assume i'm desired. Many more possibly
 

Starboy

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Day 3 and conclusion of bootcamp
This was my final day in Vegas and I wanted to make the most of it. If I wanted to get laid only sdl is an option. Didn't feel confident that I could pull because I always get "i'm with my friends",we're having drinks,dinner" objections from girls in groups of 2 and 3 and idk how to navigate that. But had to try anyways.

Before we linked up I wanted to do some approaches in to get warmed up and to have some momentum. I wanted at least 10 I ended up doing 5 on my own.

Approached a girl sitting by herself in a bar with a lot of bags. Predicted she had a bf. Went in anyways. Was nervous before I went up to her, it transmitted a bit on the approach. Told she was cute,she smiled awkwardly said thanks I have a bf.

Approached a girl walking with her friend. Said I liked her dress. She said thanks. Had a decent convo. She was staying in Vegas for a whole week. They didnt have any specific plans and was walking around. Said my name she said hers and then her friend redirected them somewhere and she said it was nice meeting you. Shoulda been quick on my feet and suggested a hangout at night.

Approached lady in pink dress and big fake boobs waiting on line for atm. Was nervous and waited too long. Ppl around made me anxious. Walked in store pretended to look for something. I walked out turned around said hey she didnt hear me. Said excuse me in soft tone. She looked at me I said "I just wanna say I like your dress". She said thank you. She actually works at the flamingo. I said oh ok makes sense it's pink. She said thank you again really appreciated my compliment. Could've persisted more. Ejected too soon.

Approached a girl after walking by her back and forth two times. Told her I thought she's cute. She said thanks. She seemed kinda gloomy and downtrodden. I asked if she was just checking in she said she's been here for a few days. I then ask if she's waiting for anyone and two girls and then two dudes pullup. Feel a bit nervous and some adrenaline ,but then I try to number close and then she said they can give it and that she's married. Lol that's a first approaching a married chick. Told the group to have a good trip and they said you too.

Approached a hot girl sitting by herself in a mall. Said I think she's cute. She said thanks and gave terse responses and didn't seem too interested. I asked a lot of logical questions. I felt uncomfortable lingering around since she didn't invest much and I probably wouldn't get anything from her so I left and said enjoy your stay.

Met up with ag and denton around 8:30. Started approaching and recieving feedback.

Approached some blonde standing by herself ,told her she was cute. She was waiting for an uber and after chatting for 30,40 secs said it was nice meeting you and patted me on the arm and said I hope you find what you're looking for lol.

Approached 2 set with ag. Talked for a couple minutes. Asked if she wanted to hang out later said no thanks.

Approached 2 set. Told girl I think she's cute asked if she was enjoying vegas. They walked faster.

Approached 2 set standing around. I approached and one of them backed up a little bit and looked nervous. Told her she was cute she said thanks. Asked what they were up to they said waiting for a friend. I told them to have a good night.

Approached 2 set ag pointed. White girl and friend walked to bar. Said I think you look cute. She said thank you had good reaction. Walking to a bar that had no reservations.Think she and friend were couple she called her babe. Friend said sorry not interested.

Approached old mom with younger smoking(literally smoking cigarettes) skinny daughter. Didn't see her face she was and said the mom looked nice lol. Ag came in to help and I tried to game the daughter. Didn't feel she was into me. I didn't even like her.

Approached 2 tattoo bitches that ag pointed out. Said to one her tattoo was badass. She said oh you look badass! Thought I hooked and we talked for a min then the friend got a call and they left and I couldn't follow up.

Approached hot blonde tall girl walking by herself who turned out to be a prostitute (sigh).

Approached white girl in dress I saw from a casino lobby earlier walking with two unattractive black girls. Saw her outside and said I told her she looks stunning. She said thanks she's with her girlfriend. I'll never understand why the hot lesbian always has a ugly lesbian partner,but I told them they look cute (not really).

Approached a 2 set with Denton jumping in to game her friend The girl liked my compliment. She was drinking a margarita and we had a decent convo. Turns out she had a bf. Eventually we me and Denton separated because wouldn't work out.

Approached a cute chunky looking girl I saw earlier at the flamingo exhibit. Said she was cute and she said thanks I think you're cute almost in a obligatory manner,but was willing to talk. Ag came in and gamed the other girl who was in good shape and was cute,but I was really drawn to my girl. We walk and talk for a while and see what they're up to. Me and my girl had a good vibe going and I tried my best to touch her throughout the interaction my brushing my arm against her as we walk and feel her bicep and joke she's strong. The other friend's mom texted them to have dinner with them and my target ended up going with her. Ag closed his girl and felt good about her.

Approached a girl with her friends said she was cute. She said thank you excited. Her friend was like she's gorgeous right and she and the 3 other girls with her crossed the street.

Approached a cute white girl with 2 friends one of which was being approached by 2 guys while ordering drinks from this small bar. I waited a long time to approach because I didn't like the positioning and hesitated. She and her friends were posted up by the bar and if I approached I would do it from behind and thought it wasn't ideal. After a while when the girl pulled down her mask I told the girl I liked I thought she was cute. She said thanks and shortly said we gotta go back to our hotel.

Approached a girl with her friends said she was cute. She said thank you excited. Her friend was like she's gorgeous right and she and the 3 other girls with her crossed the street quickly.

Approached a cute white girl with 2 friends one of which was being approached by 2 guys while ordering drinks from this small bar. I waited a long time to approach because I didn't like the positioning and hesitated. She and her friends were posted up by a bar and if I approached I would do it from behind and thought it was awkward. After standing around a while when the girl got her drink, pulled down her mask to take a sip I told her I thought she was cute. She said thanks and 2 seconds later said ok we gotta go back to our hotel.

Approached a texas redhead and a england girl after avery pointed them out and I felt burnt out. I opened the redhead,but after talking initially she and her friend redirected to a nearby bar and ag came in and picked it up. I awkwardly stood around and tried to engage the england girl. I didn't do a great job creating a sexual vibe. It was mostly platonic and I didnt always keep the conversation growing. Ag was gaming her friend really well and she liked him even though she had a bf. The england girl had nice tits so I shoulda focused on that to get excited and transmit sexual intent. I cold readed she was a model and she showed me pictures of her old modeling shoots. Eventually we walked into a hotel and she and her friend left and I didn't try to pull. I didn't feel she was into me from reading her body language ,but AG said I shoulda acted more excited throughout the interaction and tried to pull. He said always go for the pull no matter what. If you don't even try you're rejecting yourself.

Takeaways: Don't immediately say "i'm starboy" immediately after a direct opener girls need to invest a bit more to not auto reject right away. Try to improvise dealing with objections and don't immediately give up. Persist a bit more when engaging with women. Always go for the pull if engaged and talking for a while. I need to approach girls with mindset of I wanna fuck you and put my dick inside you. I'm too flat and dry in my approaches. Lacking sexual intent and cockiness.

I walked with AG to his place and we discussed and reflected on a lot of things. Lots to work on,but he said I also did a lot of good things. Encouraged me to sign up for his facebook seduction group and find a new york wing. Would review infield of me when I get back to ny.

Overall I really enjoyed my time in Vegas and this bootcamp. I didn't sightsee that much and I spent most of my time by myself,but I came here with the intention of working on myself,to approach women,ignore my ego,step out of my comfort zone and made a lot of progress. I would've liked to have gotten laid and wanted it,but i'm not beating myself up over it not happening. I didn't want to have the mindset of "I need to get laid or my time here was a failure" otherwise I would've been miserable the entire time. I got a taste and glimpse of myself as a outgoing,extroverted guy and met hot girls who were attracted to me and it showed me what's possible. I can meet hot,cute girls who are into me. Now I need to emulate the Vegas starboy into New york.

It was so dope meeting Avery and Denton those guys are a lot of fun to be around and they have really good verbal game and are very charismatic. Some guys here might be skeptical of these guys as coaches based on some of the things I said here,but what I write here doesn't paint the whole picture of them and their game. If anyone took a bootcamp with either of them you would definetly make progress and improve. The only criticism I would have is that they're not always punctual,but other than that they are legit and know their stuff.
 
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Made chitchat with a lady who almost tripped on the street and talked about the weather and the masks being removed soon. Later some lady passes by with a tommy shirt and I say nice shirt. These were just to get comfortable with talking to strangers.

Approach 1 Saw a lady with nice hips wearing shades and some legging shorts. As she was walking by I said hey excuse me in a kind of soft tonality. I just wanted to say I think you look fine . She whispered thank you as she walked by. Didn't make a big attempt to converse. Mainly warmup. Wasn't super into her face she had some acne.

Don't consider this much of an approach,but I told some lady in a stop@shop I liked her earings in this aisle. She didnt hear me at first,but I repeated myself and she said thank you I appreciate it and walked along. Didn't have much intent to have a convo,but I was still nervous to say something so maybe still helps AA even though I didn't care to talk.

Approach 3: In a Aldi's saw a dominican lady with a nice ass pushing a baby stroller. I walked near her and she turned I got her attention. I told her I liked her louis vitton bag. She didn't understand me at first,but I repeated myself and then she said thank you. She had an accent and probably wasn't fluent in english. She walked away I didn't try to follow her or walk with her .

I think my soft tonality is because i'm afraid of coming off too agressive if I speak too loudly. I was in a store wearing a mask so that muffled my voice and might have extra anxiety from being heard in a store.

Approach 4: girl standing outside Target by herself. Went up to her "hey I just wanted to say I think you're really cute". She said thank you softly in response. I said are you waiting for anybody. She just said yeah. I froze for a bit awkwardly because I didn't know what to say,respond, or followup so I just said have a nice day to her and walked into the target. I didn't speak confidently or dominantly. I smiled on the approach and did my best to look excited,but my vibe probably didn't match my expression.

Went inside target saw a bunch of women I liked in there. Walked around for a while and spotted one lady in the kids area really caught my attention. Her ass was dumb fat. Wasn't fit had a gut,but that wouldn't have stopped me. I felt a pull for her,wanted to approach her and hovered in the kids area near her to wait till she got off the phone. I was gonna say a spanish phrase to her like yo creo que tu eres linda(or sexy depending on what I felt). But she was facetiming someone so I left cuz I didn't want to wait forever. Would've been really ballsy approach cuz there was like a mom and her kids nearby.

I was on my way to leave and saw a more fit latina with a nice ass in leggings by the food court. I walked over pretended to look for drinks and she left the counter to go back to her cart. Then she went to the elevator I ended up not opening either instance because there was like security nearby and I was worried i'd get kicked out or they would make a comment if they heard me tell her "hey I just wanna say I think you're sexy."

I saw some tall girl with makeup wearing leggings stop a the intersection I was at. She had airpods in,exchanged glances for a sec. She looked a bit intimidating,but had a fat chunkyass and was wondering if I liked her ass(stupid ofc I did). Was in a good position to say something to her,but I thought of the approach from earlier and it discouraged me. Where I complimented the girl,but couldn't followup,froze and this girl would be walking so even harder She had a airpod in so she might not have paid me much attention and I mumble and speak softly on top of that. I thought she would be another hot girl I miss with so I didn't say anything.

Decided to go inside Dunkin Donuts to ger coffee and saw this mom with a fatass and I was just staring at her ass and her see thru thong. The dunkin donuts lady was yelling "next!" to me while I was distracted lol. Just like the target situation I felt weird complimenting her body outloud in the store in front of her friend and the employees so I opted not to (but dat ass ). Some other girl outside dunkin crossed the street and looked dressed for the gym nearby. I tried to say hey excuse me,but she was walking fast didn't hear me. I later saw she had airpods in.

Takeaways: I intended to do 5 approaches today cuz I set a goal of 15 approaches for the week 5 approaches over 3 days. I wrote on my calendar 4-6 approaches for today so I didn't cheat myself too hard. First time doing multiple approaches in my town in a day. Lot of women I liked. Quantity is not a problem in my area nor quality. However I struggle with mumbling and speaking softly. I thought I overcame this issue in Vegas,but that was Vegas and this is NY. It's worse in stores because if I purposely project my voice others will definetly hear and I will look/feel weird if I tell a woman she's sexy/fine.

In Vegas I didn't care if hot/attractive women rejected, ignored me, I looked weird in front of them or onlookers cuz I knew I wasn't there longterm,but here in nyc even in a bigger pool of women I have the irrational fear of running into the same women again and running out of new attractive women to approach in the neighborhoods close to where I live. I worry too much if the girl liked me or what she thought of me whereas before I gave 0 fucks how a woman responded to me. I have to get back to the point where I don't stress about others perception of me.

Also I might be too picky with who I want to approach. Idk if that means my standards are too high or i'm too stubborn. I'm drawn to women my friends wouldn't fuck so i'm not sure. Maybe I shouldn't act picky with who I approach because it's practice and i'm not getting any pussy.
I saw a lot of women I liked talking on facetime,phone maybe I approach anyways see what happens.
 
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Saw a lot of bad shorties in my gym today. Nyc is finally being more loose with their restrictions. Saw like 9 bad bitches in the gym today. Really gave me some excitement seeing all that ass.
Approach 1
Latina Milf bobcut nice ass walking with kid. I was bout to pick up food then I saw her walking and i'm like damn. Do I approach now? I went to pickup my food real quick and saw her walking in the same direction to my house. Ik she was looking for something so I say hey are you looking for something? She's like yeah i'm looking for bla bla bla. I ask specifically what it is and I point out where she can find it. She says thank you I appreciate it then I go direct and say I think you are fine. She says thank you politely. Then I ask if she has a man she says yeah and I follow up with married and she says yes. I say that's ok no problem have a nice day she says thank you.

Approach 2
Saw a fine ass honey stop at the intersection but I saw her put airpods in and then I saw a blonde dominican looking shorty from across the street holding bags so I went after her since she looked like an easier approach and just took her mask off too. Got to the end of the block and opened her after some hesitation and a little deliberating.
I said hey excuse me.
She turned and I said I just wanted to say I think you look sexy. She laughed and said thank you and was walking away,but I didn't eject made myself stay in set and made a cold read instead.
"So are you just coming out of work"
"Yeah I am"
"Do you work in the dr offices over there"
"No I work for this bank"
"Oh so you're like a teller"
She said she was customer service respresentative. I introduced myself and she reciprocated.She said she was going to a appointment I guessed hair she said was nail appointment. I comment on how big it is for girls to get their nails and say it's the same things for guys and their barber and getting a shapeup and she agrees. Then I suggest we grab a coffee or a drink. She says she can't today because after her appointment she's going to meet a family member visiting. I was like no problem it doesn't have to be today it can be later in the week or whenever we're both free. She said yeah ok. Suprised she was even considering today it sounds like investment. She asks for ig first and I use one of @Skills social media lines and say I used to have ig,but I got addicted to it and had to delete it. She laughs and then makes sure to give me her number.

Approach 3
Saw these two spanish chicks in gym apparell pull up to the sidewalk near me and walk by. I ask if they came from blink fitness and they say they're going to planet fitness. One comments where is blink I say I used to go to planet fitnes,but I went to blink cuz they don't have free weights. Then I start to flex my spanish a little bit.
"Soy starboy"
One of them lights up a bit and introduces herself G and her friend P. I talk in spanish a bit and they ask me if I speak spanish and i'm puedo hablar un poco y entiendo alguno. I also say i'm not really spanish,but I know some and she says I talk good in spanish. I joke yeah I dont talk like a gringo G laughs.I say I learned in school. The language barrier becomes an obstacle because after a while of speaking in english P who I was initally interested in (cuz big boobs and ass) commented I was talking too much in english or something. G also was limited as well. I mostly spoke to G after intro since she was more invested. I then try to ask out G in english and suggest coffee or drink,but she didn't understand. Then I just ask tiene novio and she says yeah. I wish I would've asked P if she had a novio or esposo cuz I wanted her initially and fuck it what I got to lose,but I didn't act quick enough.They were friendly and willing to talk and maybe I could've closed but my lack of spanish made it difficult. I told tener un buen dia they said gracias really appreciated talking.

Approach 4
Saw a mom with a nice ass and her kid in a rite aid. They walk out and later I comment on the toy she's holding . I say getting toys for the kid. She nods and i'm like yeah kids need their toys to play with. Then I tell her I just wanted to say I think you're cute with a smile she says thank you I think she may have repeated it to try and get me to buzz off. But then I try to persist and not eject so soon. She starts to walk in the opposite direction and I trail her a bit and I just say are you single? Then she turns around and says i'm actually married. I'm like oh ok no problem. Then I make the decision to act cocky and say I hope he's as good looking as me and she laughs and I say have a good day and she says same thank you.

Approach 5
I say hola to a woman and ask puede habla ingles. She shakes her head no. Then I say solo quiere decir que te ves bien. Her attitude changes a bit and she says gracias. I didn't try to push cuz it's not worth trying to set up something.
I saw some other baddies that I coulda shoulda went and talked to but I was too slow and lost them. One with a nice ass in leggings I was across the street and she went into a subway,one girl in shorts shorts walking her dog in a park,but was far away and I didn't feel like catching her and this one woman who may be the sexiest woman i've laid eyes on. She must've had like h cup titties a fat ass had goddess tier body. I lost her and her friend cuz I didn't cross over to their sidewalk at first and idk if they went into a store or turned the corner fark!

Good outing honestly could've spoke to more girls too if I had really locked in,but I felt a bit tired from walking so much and felt good about what I had done. I got my first number in nyc with a girl who I have a decent chance with fingers crossed, and I learned how to persist and not give up right away and stay in set without being too pushy or creepy. All of these were walking sets as well which is pretty normal for me now. Learning more spanish would really benefit me,but I have so much more to learn idk if I should approach native spanish women even though I love them.
 
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Saw a cute girl in a cute floral dress walking alongside central park. She had a sexy walk with her hips swaying, her hair was straight, she had a feminine voice, she was exactly my type. I waited a bit before I opened her.
"excuse me I just wanted to say I like your dress I think it's cute. "
"Thank you"
Gave me a kind of neutral terselike response.
"So what are you up to"
"Going home"
"Didn't have work or anything like that"
"Nope"
"I just got sent home from work early so I had to.... go home"
"Ok"
For some reason I then tell her earrings are cute they were some green earrings.
"Thank you"

Clearly I was struggling and scrambling for something to say so I just blurted out another empty pointless compliment how stupid of me. I didn't feel like I could persist since I wasn't in a flow state and it would've been forcing too much.

I just walked ahead of her didn't even bother saying goodbye or have a good day. Felt a bit frustrated at my weak attempt. It was the first and only approach I did today so I wasn't warmed up at all. I could've easily choose to not do it since I wasn't in the best mood. My legs were still fatigued from walking up and down this hill in a large park yesterday and walking all day in my job today didn't help so I didn't feel like doing more approaches today even though it was a good opportunity.

Also the girl whose number I got yesterday didn't respond to my text/gif today and for some reason that really deflated me. I shouldn't take it so hard,but maybe I put too much hopes and mental investment into this girl even though I barely know her and she knows almost nothing about me.
 

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are you using this exact exact wording before the direct opener?
starboy: excuse me I just wanted to say [DIRECT OPENER]

If you get rid of the "just" its gonna be easier for you to get into a new subject with the girls. when you say JUST in that context, it comes across as thats all you're planning to say and that you're gonna say nothing more...sets the wrong expectations for the girl. it can also reek of qualification depending on your vocal tones and body language

try like dis

starboy: excuse me. *pause* [DIRECT OPENER]
 

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are you using this exact exact wording before the direct opener?


If you get rid of the "just" its gonna be easier for you to get into a new subject with the girls. when you say JUST in that context, it comes across as thats all you're planning to say and that you're gonna say nothing more...sets the wrong expectations for the girl. it can also reek of qualification depending on your vocal tones and body language

try like dis
Yeah I have a unconscious habit of saying just when I approach. It just comes out naturally even though I don't mean to. I'll try to be conscious of that when I approach. I don't even want to say excuse me. I would rather say hey or hi or even yo. But oftentimes they won't hear me or I won't catch their attention unless I say excuse me and then they turn their head. Probably cuz I approach from the side instead of in front of them.
 
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Crossed the street and saw this bad bitch in leggings and a top where you can see her back and skin and I was like damn do I approach or go for food. I decide to turn around and walk after her. She turned to this long sidewalk which I used to walk on my way to school and I felt excited to approach her and felt good sexual energy that I was ready to transmit. Then all of a sudden she turned her head to look at me and that threw me the fuck off. Like damn she might've felt me coming and think that i'm following her cuz she probably saw me passing her earlier. If I approach she might think i'm following her. I walk ahead of her to make it look like i'm not there for her. I had one last chance cuz she stopped to check her bags,but didn't say anything. Dissapointing.

Approach 1
But later on as i'm walking back this girl walks out of this salon right next to me and I slow down to get a look at her. She crosses the street so I get to the end and cross the street as well. I open her after a little deliberation.
"Hey excuse me. I just wanted to say I think you're really cute" with a smile on my face.
"Oh thank you" she laughs.
" I saw you came out that salon you went and got your nails done"
"No" she shakes her head
"So you got your hair done"
"Yeah"
"You got your curls done to make your hair curly"
"Yeah"
"So your hair is naturally straight?"
"Yeah I wanted to make it curly cuz the weather's getting nice"
"Yeah for sure the weather's great i'm tired of new york winter weather"
"Btw i'm starboy"
"Hi starboy. I'm J."
I extend my hand she holds it. "Nice to meet you J" :)
"What are you up to you"
She said she was going to pick up her daughter.
"Oh ok. I just came out the gym and got some food, I was gonna eat at home"
"Nice. Enjoy your food"
"Thank you"
"Are you a gym person yourself"
"Oh yeah. I'm a gymrat. I go twice a day. Two times"
"Wow that's dedication right there. I should train with you. You could school me."
She laughs.
"Hey so I was wondering if you would be down to get a coffee or a drink sometime"
She says she lives downtown, doesn't live up here and just gets her nails done here and her cousin lives up here.
"Oh ok. I mean it doesn't have to be up here we could meet up somewhere downtown closer to where you live if you know a nice spot"
"I actually have a boyfriend. I don't think he would like it." She chuckles
I laugh "yeah he probably wouldn't like it haha"
"Anyways have a good day"
"Thank you you too bye". She liked talking to me,but bf put it out of the question.

Approach 2
Approached some lady after deciding she had a nice ass. Tried to ask her what kind of dog she has she only spoke spanish. She told me french bulldog. I didnt try to make long conversation I just told her te ves bien and she said gracias and I walked away.

I took a bus up the hill and didn't find many women I wanted to speak to. Area bit more ghetto. I saw some girls,but hesitated cuz they were on the phone or passed by me,headphones and I felt weird going after them.
I went to a park and sat down for a little bit then got up and moving. My right leg is so fatigued even though I walk for 7 hrs at my job and have no issues.

Approach 3
I'm leaving the park and I see this thick curvy women pass by. I check her out from behind and I think fuck it let me see what happens. She leaves thru the park exit I trail after her and I wait at first cuz I think she's on the phone. We turn and I open her as we cross the block.
"Excuse me. I wanted to say hi I think you're cute."
"Oh thank you" she smiles. "How old are you"
"Take a guess. How old do I look"
"Hmmm 21."
"Ok a little on the younger side you guessed haha. I'm actually 24 turning 25."
She says oh you're really young. I'm much older. I tell her age is just a number. She says she's almost 40. I tell her she's not there yet. She asks me a bunch of questions about myself. If I live in the area,where i'm from, what did I study in school,asks what my parents are like,if I have any passions. She has a kid. I introduce myself and she introduces herself and I extend my hand and she grabs with both hands and smiles. We banter with each other for a bit. She says she's about to get a slushy in the store. I number close and suggest we grab a coffee or a drink sometime. She asks if I drink and i'm like yeah I drink. Wondered because of my parent's religion. She asks do I want to give her my number and she texts me or do I give her my number. I hand her my number and she puts it in. She tells me to text her my name so she can save me. I tell her I will do so and give her a goodbye hug. Wonder if I should've gave her a cheek or even lip kiss instead to be more masculine and dominant. Hug seemed like platonic teenage boy shit,but whatever. After my icebreaker text she sent me "hey" and "saved" 13 minutes apart so I respond "Great we'll keep in touch" and she tells me good night.

Pretty solid day only 3 approaches when I had a goal of 5,but my first and third approach made me feel really good about today and I wasn't as driven after I got the woman's number. I still suffer from the spotlight effect cuz I only approached women in secluded sidewalks where not a lot of people around so have to work on that. Also i'm not sure how or if I should approach if a woman passes by me. I take a few seconds too or a min too long to decide to approach and I lose out on women like that. Grr.
 
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Today I spontaneously decided to go out to approach because I didn't schedule it in my calendar and skipped leg day at the gym. Didn't wanna make walking harder. I wanted to go downtown to get experience approaching there and didn't get a lot done today.

1st Approach
See woman in military camo sundress walking my direction and off the bat felt like good place to warmup. Was a bit nervous,but waited until she was close I said excuse me she stopped a bit startled. I said in english I thought she looked nice. She said she didn't speak english. I told her she looked nice in spanish,she laughed,said gracias walked away moments later I told her to have a good day.

2nd Approach
I get on subway to look for women downtown. I turn and see a girl with long straight hair preening her hair a bit as I enter the platform. Is this a choosing signal the redpill alphas look out for? Let's see what happens. I position myself near her and then try to get her attention,but she doesn't respond she might have airpods in. I wave my hand and she sees me and pulls an airpod out and I tell her I wanna say her hair looks nice. She smiles and says thank you and proceeds to put her aipod back 2 secs later. Did not anticipate she would put her headphones back in so fast. Didn't want to be too pushy for her attention. Also I might've implied I only wanted to tell her hair is nice.

Sit on a bench in times square as I decide what to do next. I chat with this Colombian girl sitting nearby in spanish. Ask her about colombia,the hot weather,how she likes the country etc. She's too young so eventually I exit the conversation later and tell her it was nice talking to her.

I go in and out of stores and chat with people here and there, compliment random girls. For some reason I felt uncomfortable opening girls while walking along times square. I was by myself and didn't have a true purpose . Times square is very similiar to the Vegas Strip in terms of foot traffic,but for some reason I was in my head more when it came to approaching. Kept thinking about what to say after an opener. If I chose to approach in my neighborhood today I probably wouldn't have had any issues because I felt ready to approach anyone before I got on the subway.

There was one girl who I am 90% sure gave me a ioi or choosing signal or whatever. I was walking straight and before I glanced at her she adjusted and played with her hair as she was walking my direction. She was wearing shorts and was fucking hot,but she had shades and a mask on so I didn't see her face at all,but she saw mine and my model walk so good chance she was attracted. But I hesitated because I was too in my head and my logical brain stopped me from approaching after she passed by me. I turned around and I crossed the block,but then at the last second thought it would be too weird for me to open her after how far she walked ahead. Fuck.

I spent a couple hours walking,but couldn't get past my ego. I see women and decide not to approach. Either I tell myself they're not attractive in the face cuz they're wearing makeup or they're in groups. There was one girl who really caught my eye she was tall and sexy,but my dumbass decided to buy ice cream,had it leak on my hands and she and her friend walked too far ahead and I was too tired to catch up to them. Later on near union square I try to approach this cute short white girl,but she ignores me cuz of her airpods.

What didn't help me was I was really hot cuz I was wearing jeans,it was 90 degrees out and I was physically tired just from walking so much in the heat. I didn't have the same positive energy that I had before. If I had opened I would've had bad delivery.

I end up just buying some stuff from nordstom and could've tried to talk to some girls while there was still sun,but just hopped on the subway exhausted mentally and physically.

I think i'm at the part of the journey in seduction where you start to doubt your efforts,the process and your ego tries to regain control. My ego thought I was too good to approach girls who had nice figures in their sundress,but wasn't that cute in the face. I thought I have a better face as a man then they do as a woman so why should I approach her? Why should I risk getting rejected by basic ass bitches? Girls who aren't naturally pretty are usually the bitchiest anyways. I'm not getting any pussy or action yet i'm being picky with who I approach and juggling a superiority complex.

I'm not sure if i'm at the point where I need to adjust my fundamentals or just keep plowing into sets with direct openers and see who bites. I was in my head because I kept thinking about how hit and miss direct is,most of it leads to rejection,and how some gurus from here stress the opposite. Meanwhile there are other coaches who tell you to direct open enough girls until you find one girl who's into you no matter what. Too much decision making for me to do I need to just commit to one method and not be so easily influenced. My inner game needs work.
 

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I've been kind of slacking off for the past week. I only approached 1 girl on a subway platform,got a bf rejection and that was on thursday. The entire weekend I didn't go out cuz my legs were destroyed from squatting and it rained throughout the weekend so I used that as an excuse.

Approach 1
Caught up to a lady with a nice ass in leggings.Thought she was going to the gym,but she had walked past it.
Told her I liked her hair. She just shook her head. Told her I spoke spanish and then repeated my opener. Said gracias. I asked what she was up she said appointment. I said dr? Then she said tattoo. I said oh ok. Introduced my name and she reciprocated told me hers. Do you know what kind of tattoo you're gonna get. She was like no or something. Then I asked it she had a man she said no. Asked if she wanted to get a drink or cafe later this week she said no straight up. I said no problem have a good day. Didnt express much intent with my body language and vibe was weak.

Approach 2
Approached woman pushing a stroller she had airpods in asked if she spoke english she said no. Told her I liked her hair in spanish. She said gracias. Asked what she was up to and guessed shopping. She said yeah and I said foodtown she said si. I asked if she knew what she was gonna buy she said no gracias I said I don't wanna buy her groceries lol. Just asked if she had a man she pointed to her stroller and said she was taken. I was like ok no problem she said gracias,smiled a bit I told her have a good day.

Approach 3
Saw some girl with green hair way up front. Didn't know what she looked like up front I just saw her from behind. Went close to her. Saw her face. Was average looking whatever. Said hey excuse me I like your hair color she said thanks. Tried to guess hair color she said it was something I never heard of. Paused and made a comment of her starbucks drink. Tried to introduce myself she just said nice to meet you as train was passing by. Said what are you up to you she was just quite walking along. I said just cruising along then she turned to look at me like what's with this guy lol. Clearly wasn't interested and I wasn't that into her anyways. Tonality was weak/soft

Approach 4
Got off a subway in area where a lot of crackheads hang out. Left thru the longass tunnel and saw a spanish blonde with a fatass walking far ahead and thought ok its gotime. Jogged up a bit to kind of look at her face wasnt young,but not too old. She turned to see me first,I didn't make eye contact and then looked back. Then said perdon(excuse me)she turned. Told her in spanish I wanted to say I think you look nice. She said thanks in english. I said oh you speak english I thought you just spoke spanish. Didn't say anything, kept walking. I tried to persist and asked if she was going anywhere interesting and she looked one more time and then just kept walking ahead a bit faster so I leave it at that.

Approach 5
Saw a shorty in a sweater and leggings with a fat ass. Originally wanted to wait for this other thick shorty that went inside staples,but I thought am I really gonna wait for her to come out she could take forever.
So I jog up a bit wait till i'm near her and say hey excuse me I wanted to say I think you look good. She said thanks. I cold readed said you must be hot cuz ur wearing a sweater. She said I am hot it was cold earlier now it got hotter. I agree with her and comment how the weather is fluctuating. Introduced myself she reciprocated. I asked what she's up to she said nothing much. Told her I thought she was on her way to the gym or going for a job she laughed and said no just being a girl wearing leggings. I comment they must be comfortable i've never worn them and I can't wear them unless I was gay she laughs. Ask if she lives around the area,volunteer where I live she lives near a stadium. I say her area is rowdy and the trains near her are ghetto compared to mine and she agrees. I transition between multiple topics pretty well and talk freely thoughout which felt good. Although I didn't really look at her much as we were walking I spoke while looking ahead. Eventually she gets to a point where she is about to turn the corner to leave and I say wait lets grab a coffee or drink sometime and she says sorry she has a bf. I'm like ok no problem it was nice talking to you.

Approach 6
Curly hair girl comes nearby about to cross the street. Said hey excuse me I wanted to say I think you're cute I made sure to smile. She said thanks. Asked how her day was she said good. Comment on how nice the weather is I think this is when she ignores me and walks ahead. Weak attempt to hook.

I set a goal of 7 for today, but I only approached 6 which isn't a big deal. But I won't make my weekly goal by 2mm. It's frustrating how many women I see paired up with men during the day. It's a consistent theme and pattern. I'm glad I took action and did multiple approaches. But women are always either not interested either because taken or my presentation wasn't good. Sometimes I still get in my head or take too long to approach some ladies I would like.

I'm open to try nightgame to find more single ladies or taken women who are drunk,horny,dtf ,but all the good bars are downtown and really far from where I live. The bars near my area are either ratchet,sports bars, social circle bars,don't have quantity or quality of women. Not good for meeting women.

Sometimes I think daygame fucking sucks yeah no other guys are doing it so no competition,but all these women have men already and the ones that don't might not even be attracted to me. Ik guys from here have made it work so it is what you make of it I guess. Also takes a lot of time to get good and i'm sorta impatient.
 
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Impatience is a good thing. It's a fire that drives you and pushes you to achieve your deepest desires. But it can lead to negative outcomes as well. Avoid shortcuts like the plague, they can only hurt you in the long-term.

Regarding the specific outings you're doing. I assume you are commuting from places that are more North. I would avoid tourist spots as the hustle and bustle tend to make it a very difficult venue. The areas in the near vicinity are better, the same tourists, removed from the sensory overload.

I would also suggest parks, you'll find it's a calmer venue, with more ability to meet-smooth. The people at parks are just as likely to be visiting the city, which only helps to improve your chances.

Since you are going with direct-game, I would recommend this: https://www.skilledseducer.com/thre...in-the-opener-most-of-you-suck-at-this.22167/

Your openers so far, "I like your hair", or "I think you're cute" while bold, aren't very insightful. You'll get better results by being more genuine, and finding something unique to the girl. Tell me if I'm wrong, but it does also seem like your approaches may be a bit timid. You cannot be timid and give a compliment. Be bold, be unapologetic (while still being calibrated).

If you're still dealing with approach anxiety, then it's a different story. I recommend some of the body-oriented stuff that's already been posted.

Even if you don't believe it works, do it. There's certainly no harm from it.

You also have to improve your follow up.

In terms of asking a girl out. Remember high points are your friend. Ask a girl out on a high point (again be calibrated), not right as the interaction is about to end.

To have less of a chance of a flake, make sure to stick around and spend a little more time talking to her before you leave, after you've gotten her number and suggested a date.

I'm sure some of this is probably information you've gone through before, but hopefully either the organization or the contents helps you go through some of the sticking points I went through with direct game faster. Especially when new, it can feel like running into a brick wall, but it does get better assuming you practice intelligently and deliberately.

I'll leave you with this.
 
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Regarding the specific outings you're doing. I assume you are commuting from places that are more North NYC. I would avoid Times Square as the hustle and bustle tend to make it a very difficult venue. The areas in the near vicinity are better, the same tourists, removed from the sensory overload.I would also suggest Central Park, you'll find it's a calmer venue, with more ability to meet-smooth. The people at Central Park are just as likely to be visiting the city, which only helps to improve your chances.
I live uptown so most of my approaches are done there. Much more calm and relaxed area. I haven't commuted downtown many times specifically to approach girls. Much busier and crowded and feel more of a spotlight effect. Also even if did get a girls # would she meet up with a guy for a date if he lives so far from where I met her or where she lives? Say bronx and queens? I asked a thread on this before. I'll try central park. Just again the distance is something that crosses my mind.
Your openers so far, "I like your hair", or "I think you're cute" while bold, aren't very insightful. You'll get better results by being more genuine, and finding something unique to the girl. Tell me if I'm wrong, but it does also seem like your approaches may be a bit timid. You cannot be timid and give a compliment. Be bold, be unapologetic (while still being calibrated).

If you're still dealing with approach anxiety, then it's a different story. I recommend some of the body-oriented stuff that's already been posted.
Well i'm trying to be genuine,but it's hard because women have heard almost everything in the book. Ik with direct openers it's mainly about how you make the girl feel,but my vibe isn't good enough probably. Also my issue with trying to say a unique compliment is most of the times when I wanna approach a woman it's because I like how fat her ass looks lol. But can't really compliment that so I elect for something else.

Not all my openers and approaches are timid. I do have to overcome some mild resistance sometimes before I approach and some of that anxiety is me trying to think 3 steps ahead past my opener and carry out the conversation.
In terms of asking a girl out. Remember high points are your friend. Ask a girl out on a high point (again be calibrated), not right as the interaction is about to end.To have less of a chance of a flake, make sure to stick around and spend a little more time talking to her before you leave, after you've gotten her number and suggested a date.
Yeah ik that's ideal it's just hard for me to elicit that reaction from women. Usually women aren't hooked or I can't come up with anything else to say so I throw it out there and see if she takes the bait. But if i'm having a girl invest in the convo and contributes I will tend to milk it out and ask her out later just to build as much rapport and conncection.

Thanks for the suggestions.
 

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Haven't approached since last post and in my mind I was like shitting my pants when it came to leaving the house to approach women. I can't believe how fast my brain forgets about my ability to approach.

Approach 1: Approached some spanish looking girl with and her ass sticking out. Had makeup on and wasnt super cute,but looked good. Followed her up some escalator into this mall. I hesitated and after passing the 2nd floor in the escalator I opened her behind said excuse me she turned I wanted to say I think you're really cute she chuckled and said thanks . Tried to persist and say are you going to tj maxx she said she's actually in the wrong section and walked ahead to the down escalator and went inside some store. Weak soft tonality,dry throat and rusty.

Approach 2:Went to food market saw curvy lady wearing sweatpants and a top covering her big boobs wearing a hairnet or something. I didnt know if she was spanish or not. There was two carts nearby I say excuse me and ask if one was hers she says no. She was about to leave and I ask her if she's looking for something in particular. She comes near and says she's looking for pork ribs. I ask her if she's picky when it comes to food and she says kinda and I joke I am too I don't eat anything my parents feed me she laughs. Then I try to state my intent and say she looks attractive she didnt hear me at first then I repeat she looks nice. She oh says thank you smiles. I introduce myself she does the same I extend my hand she shakes it. She's about to walk off then I ask who she's here with and she laughs and says her bf. We say bye .

Approach 3 Went to this corner originally was following this babe in shorts,but she walked into some bar. Some girl was walking in the distance she walked by she had makeup was cute wasn't dressed sexy. She looked to be in a rush and was walking fast. Tried to use indirect-direct said if she knew where mcdonalds was didnt bite. Sounded like a bitch when I spoke.
Walked to this market outside I see this cute spanish girl walking with what I thought was a guy its a girl with curly hair. They went to this car,the curly hair girl went to put the carts away I made my move.
"Perdon"
She looked over.
"Se habla ingles?"she nodded
" I wanted to come say hi I think you're cute" with a enthused seductive smile. She smiled
"Oh thank you"
"So you doing some shopping around here at this market?"
"Yeah I am"
"You shopping for your kids?"
No she smiles she's just shopping for herself she doesn't have kids I say oh ok.
I introduce myself she complies shakes my hand. I ask if she lives around here she says she lives in a area on the other side of town. I'm like wow that's far u come all the way here. She says yeah her cousin likes to shop here. I say makes sense you brought a car to do it she says yeah. I ask if she's single she says yeah then I say let's grab a drink or coffee sometimes would you be down she says yeah sure. Hand her my phone she puts number and name down. We say bye. Sounds similiar to the first number I got in my neighborhood only spent a minute talking without much rapport hopefully doesn't flake. Looking back I could've made a joke about her area being ghetto and that's why she and her cousin likes to come on this side of town to shop. This area is much more relaxed so less chance of running into a crackhead. Would've made her laugh and build some connection.

Approach 5: Walk inside market see spanish looking chick. Trying to figure out if I approached her before. She pulls up near me ask her if she speaks english she says no I tell her she looks nice she smiles appreciate it,but find it hard to engage in spanish with her under shopping context. I don't pursue much further.

Approach 6: Went into a smashburger at the same time as this slim girl in leggings in workout attire.
Didn't open her right away waited till we both ordered our food cuz ik we'll be waiting for a ling time. Instead of going direct I opened her with something like excuse me you look really familiar did we go to the same school? Immediately she engaged and she asked me what school I went to and she said she used to live around the school I went to and said thats why. Then went into a back and forth and pretty smooth transitioning for the most part talked about school,her job, her background,interests,what she was doing at the time. Made a lot of cold reads like she looked indian when she was actually spanish. She didnt know spanish and I joked she must've gotten picked on by kids she said yeah did middle schoolers are the worst she laughed. She did yoga and I told her I meditate and she was really interested in that.Pretty good flow throughout and she invested and asked me questions too. Talked for 10 min when they called my name for food. Came back proposed to meetup for drink and she was like ooh sorry I have a bf like she didn't want to let me down like the server I hit on. She was like it was good talking to you and said she thinks i'm a cool guy lol. I'm like it's ok have a good day.

Tested out new technique like using indirect at first then transitioning to direct or not even using direct . It can lead me to last longer in set if woman responds and engages,but can also potentially waste more time because girl could have a bf and not be interested in the first place. Pros and cons of indirect and direct. Direct screens faster,but shorter interaction while indirect leads you to last longer,but could potentially be for nothing.
 
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Quick approach: got off subway from work was tired didn't feel like approaching even though had half hr of sunlight. Got some coffee. Crossed the street to maybe get pizza and get a closer look at this woman. Wasn't as attractive as I thought. See this hottie pass by and I thought fuck the pizza I would rather approach her and to not would be a disservice to myself. Next block I catch up to her walk up alongside her in the direction of my house.

Me:Excuse me
Hottie: Yes( takes off both airpods)
Me:I wanted to say hi... I uh think you're attractive(kind of stumbled a bit)
Hottie: oh thank you(smiles)
Me:So how was your day today
Hottie:Good.(Pauses) I'm sorry I don't talk to men. I'm married
Me: oh ok. I respect that (Smile and take it in stride)
Hottie: Thanks(crosses the street)

Looking back I could've made a joke that when she said she doesnt talk to men I thought she was a amazon and she swore off men or must be really to live daily life if she doesn't speak to ANY men. Or tell her I wish all married couples had that mentality that if they're in a committed relationship they don't entertain the idea of talking/flirting with other people. Just for sake of learning to extend convo not neccesarily close. Felt good to approach.
 
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Had a short shift today at work and planned on going further downtown to look for clothes to buy and maybe approach women. For some reason I have more anxiety when approaching downtown than uptown near where I live. So I figure good opportunity to try and push the boundaries of what i'm comfortable with.
App 1
Was walking after this girl who had a nice ass,but face wasn't what I expected. I was about to approach,but I bitched out after she turned to cross the street. Then I turned around and saw a better looking thicc ass blonde with white leggings,and a white tank top crossing the street.
"Hey excuse me could you help me out with something? She stopped after almost walking past me.
"Could you tell me where I could find zara?"
"She said oh it's right down that way" in the direction I walked from.
" ok thank you" she was about to walk away
"Wait can I say something real quick?" I looked at her and smiled.
"I think you are quite attractive"
She smiled "aw thank you" and then took off. First approach of the day. One of the few times I tried indirect-direct. When I told her she was attractive I said it in a soft boyish way so she probably felt I was lower value
App 2
Walked up alongside another thicc blonde and did the directions opener to zara. She pointed right next to us and it was Zara right there. I was like oh thank you acting dumbfounded. I didn't try to persist,say a direct opener and hold her attention like with the 1st girl but I should've tried to see what would happen.
App 3
Came out this other men's clothing store saw some tall girl,walked up alongside her opened said she was cute. She smiled briefly I dont think she said anything. Wasnt as cute as i originally thought. Didnt try to push further.
App 4?
Saw this cute blonde come out this subway we briefly made eye contact then she looked away. I tried to open her the next block walking alongside her after hesititating for a min cuz some dude was nearby. Tried to say excuse me twice to get her attention and she put her hand up lol

There was a handful of other women that I wanted to approach and I even jogged after a few of them,but I didn't open because I waited too long from hesitation and gave up. If I approached after waiting so long the girl would definetly know it was premeditated especially if they saw me already. Also some of the girls were on their phone or had airpods and that discouraged me.
 
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I jerked off to porn this week which was the first time I did so in a while and it really screwed my T and my feeling of masculinity. My fears and AA was manifesting itself much stronger than before. Definetly cutting that shit out won't even tempt myself.

Approach 1: on my way to the gym I approached this cute girl with silky smooth brown hair wearing shades waiting by a bus stop. Wasnt sure if she was spanish or not but decided to not approach a cute girl waiting for a bus 5 min away would be a waste. Went up to her wasn't sure I should open. I told her excuse me and followed it up with se habla ingles and she said a little bit. "Yo creo que tu eres linda".She smiled and said gracias
"Esta esperando para un autobus de nueve?"
"Si"
"Oh ok.. adonde vas su casa o su trabajo?"
"Mi trabaja."
"Oh Cual es tu trabaja?" She said restaurante.
"Oh ok bueno que tipo restaurante?" She says organic restaurante and I qualify
"Te gusta su trabajo?" she says si. I introduce my name and she says nice to meet you then I say cual es su nombre she says M. I offered to shake her hand she then deflected by asking cuantos anos tiene? I tell her veinte cinco. She asks me tiene novia? I told her no tengo novia ahora. She says porque like in a curious way. Have not heard a compliment like that in a while and wasn't expecting it so I say something like estoy buscando para alguno lol . She asks me where i'm from I tell her the country and she says my spanish is pretty good for someone whos not spanish. She asks where I learned from I tell her I read my spanish books from school and google lol. She asks me de donde vive I tell her I live closeby near a library. She asks me if I like younger women and I tell her si me gusta pero me gusta viaja mujer tambien. She asks me if I think she's old in a perplexed manner lol. I tell her no creo que tu eres que viaja. Wants me to guess her age I say 30 she says no menos then I guess 25 and she says si. Same age as me lol. I think she mentioned me not having a gf again or something and I ask her out of curiosity crees que soy guapo? She says claro y tu eres jovenes(young). Said there were a lot of ladies around and it almost sounded like she was encouraging me to keep approaching girls lol.Somewhere in the middle of the interaction I asked tiene hombre to screen her out fast and see if she had a partner. She said dos ninos and esposo and shows me her ring. But she kept asking me questions about myself so instead of ejecting I thought let's see how long I could keep this interaction going. I tried to officially close by asking her if she wanted coffee,but she said laughed and said she couldn't. Wished her a good day. Looking back there were signs she wasn't that open to me like leaning forward to see how far the bus was,not volunteering her name.

Approach 2: Direct opened a girl in a supermarket. She walked near me and I said perdon se habla ingles she said yeah suprisingly. Told her she was cute. She said thanks. Tried to make comments on her shopping,but she didn't really hook or invest. Then I tried to introduce my name and she said sorry I can't talk right now lol she wasn't even speaking on the phone. I said oh no worries bf things and left.

Approach 3: approached a lady in light blue sundress shopping at a outdoor market. I pretended to look at the fruit and then I open her saying perdon se habla ingles she says yeah. I tell her I think she's cute she laughs and says thank you. Didn't know how to follow so I introduce my name and she complies with her name. I ask if she's shopping for her family she says yeah doing some. Then I question if she likes shopping in open markets she says yeah I think is better than store markets because it costs less. I say I dont trust shopping from open markets because I thought it was dirty and flies hang out here while the worker was nearby listening lol. I ask her what she's up to after shopping and I volunteer info and tell her I came from the gym. Then she qualifies me on the gym and we talk about that for a bit. I was stumbling a bit and talking fast in this convo because instinctively I was worried about running out of things to say and likely wasn't present in the interaction. Then after a few seconds pause I just try to close and ask her if she would want to grab a coffee or drink sometime and she says sorry she can't she's married. I try to persist a little bit and joke is it a happy loving marriage and she said laughed and said I dont wanna get in trouble. I said no problem told her to have a good day and left. My eye contact was kind of inconsistent I only looked her in the eyes I think when I opened and when I asked her out.

Came back home to eat my food,but didn't leave the house again to approach which would've been better,but I got my momentum back which is most important. Not approaching for 5 days and jerking off to porn on top of that really kills my confidence. Leaving my house is always the most difficult for me. When I see babes while i'm outside it's much easier for me to overcome resistance.
 
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