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[Lofty]

Thursday, January 14, 2021
Street Nightgame

Back at it. The reframing exercise is still to come, but next time, maybe. I want to make sure that I take the time to do it correctly.

Anyway, I’m back in the field. My first chance to shake off the rust was once again at the airport, or rather on the flight. Because I got to the flight as it was boarding, so there wasn’t time to woo the girls in the waiting area like with the fashionista in November.

On the plane, though, I sat next to a cute girl and her boyfriend. I don’t keep up much with the news these days, but I was surprised that the middle seats were being utilized in this panicked millieu. Regardless, I rotated through a variety of SOTs in conversation between the two of them, who also attend the same university as me, while focusing my sexual subcommunications on the girl, of course. Had to include the guy in the conversation sometimes.

These topics included travel, connection, chance encounters with strangers, willingness to open-up and expressing ourselves freely, and the fresh start to the new semester. Most importantly, I was able to identify three topics that really got her talking – communicative disorders (her area of study), mentorship (she works with the president of my university), and sororities (she’s in one). As for the boyfriend, his preferred topics were influence (he excitedly showed me some influence book he was reading… I acted so so surprised) and fraternities. Pretty simple, but it reminded me of the power of perception. Let them talk, get them talking, get them excited, get them stimulated. The girl even “accidentally” brushed her arms and legs against me a couple of times to the boyfriend’s anxious looks. Yeah, I think I got her going.

After the flight, they offered me a ride to my apartment. Which honestly was in the back of my mind the entire time because I did not want to get price-gouged for a shuttle, saving me $100. I kind of set them up for this offer, and they thankfully enjoyed our conversation enough to do so. That’s influence – making them think that it was THEIR idea to offer me a ride. In their comfy BMW.

The two of them dropped me off at my apartment around 5:00 pm. We exchanged contacts, and I did really enjoy their company, too. Good people. Unpacking was quick because I travelled very light, and I readied for my return to the game.

My intention: get laid.

I’m out around 11:30 in a new outfit: a navy windbreaker, jeans, and white Air Force 1s. I also wore a long-sleeved white undershirt and let the sleeves extend beyond the cuffs of the windbreaker to echo the shoes. Liked the look.

My first post-up location is slightly new with the familiarity of old. It’s where I originally tried last semester. There’s a little foot traffic now. After all, many people are excitedly back after spending weeks with their parents.

Not long after, a really hot blonde wearing a tight black shirt nears me. I’m on my phone, catch her eye contact as she passes, and open.

Spoiler: Approach #1: Attention to Immersion

Me: Hey there, I have a VERY important question to ask you.
HB (keeps walking): Yeah? What is it?
Me: Well, hold on. Do you consider yourself an open-minded person?
HB (stops): Yeah…
Me: Alright, great. Come back over here because I really need to talk to an open-minded person about this.
HB (comes back over to me): Haha okay
Me: Well I’ve been thinking about something… maybe you’ve noticed it, too… like… have you ever had the feeling… when you go out… that it’s just kind of like the same old, same old... same bars, same drinks, maybe not the same people... but the SAME attitudes... like people who only view you as a sexual object? Yeah like we never stop hoping that tonight’s the night when I’ll meet HER or you’ll meet HIM... but I mean... we always cling to the hope that it’ll still happen… that’s kind of where I’m at right now, you know?
HB: Yeah, every girl I know has that feeling! We all think, maybe tonight’s the night that I’ll meet my boyfriend, so I have to go out! But it rarely happens…
Me: That makes a lot of sense… because the guys at the bars… well, you know how they are, of course… maybe there are some guys standing around who are kind of eyeing you and you’re eying him back, like smiling and giggling and feeling turned on, but it just drags on… and on… and on… and they never have the guts to come over and talk to you… like you’re a monster or something… but you’re not… I mean that must be part of the reason you go out… to meet cute boys?
HB: Of course, yeah
Me: On the other hand, there are the guys who DO approach you. So you feel warm and happy and validated that they think you’re pretty… but then very quickly you realize that these aren’t the guys who you WANT to talk to… they’ll all weird, groping you, being pushy, looking at you like a tasty piece of meat… I see it all of the time… it must be exhausting… you probably wonder when you’ll ever meet someone who is different… who wants YOU for YOU…
HB: Yes! Let me guess – you have a lot of friends who are girls?
Me: Hmmm… that’s really interesting… you’re really perceptive. What makes you think that?
HB: Just that most guys don’t think this way. Not stepping into other people’s shoes and stuff.
Me: Yeah… that’s true... and sure, I always love fascinating conversations with girls… for example, take a listen to what my friend Jada was telling me… [my take on the sexual purity gambit]

Nice. She’s one of the most alluring girls I’ve approached, and it’s going well. She empathizes with my thoughts on sexual purity, and agrees that true sexual purity is being sexually liberated. Cool. Unfortunately, I learn an important lesson. I have to remember that while on the streets… she’s going somewhere. My transition phases have to be precise.

Instead, I expand the discussion on sexual liberation, and probably speak too much. She keeps agreeing with me, smiling, but our bubble weakens. Then she remembers that she was going to meet up with her friend. I say that if her friend really needs her, she can just call. And plus, her friend would be really happy knowing that she’s having fun herself.

This buys me a few more minutes, so I quickly try to fractionate towards social frame to set-up the pull. Felt like that was needed in this case. I discuss how I live close by, which makes access to this street convenient because it’s such a short walk. Also say how there’s less exciting things going on around the town now but that life is what we make of it – after all, it’s up to us to make our lives better with spontaneity.

She agrees, talking a little about herself and COVID before mentioning that she already told the friend that she was on her way and really needed to meet up with her. I try handling the objection the same way as before, but she just smiles, hugs me, says how nice it was to talk to me, and waves goodbye. I don’t number close because I’ve made the decision not to do that anymore. Also not listing my number of approaches at the start of the entry because the metric that I care about is sex. SDL/SNL mindset to the max.

This approach ended disappointingly, but it was an okay way to build some momentum back. I was feeling pretty good verbally.

As I’m walking along the street, I suddenly notice the silhouette of a familiar girl who is standing in the outside area of a bar. She was probably my first-ever cold approach in the history of my life, and it happened during the pre-Lofty era. I saw her eating alone at a table, and after telling myself that she was that hottest girl I’d ever seen (which was and still is the truth), I had to go and talk to her.

I’ll call this girl HBRedwine, a name based on a topic in our orignial discussion. She is hot as fuck – one of the Kylie Jenner lookalikes. That type. Yeah, kind of clone-ish but hot as fuck. Recently saw that she was on some reality show for college students a while back. Definitely a PPP archetype.

Anyway, I did join her table that day, and we talked for three hours. She eventually asked me to show her where her next class was, but because I did not know the campus then, I shied away. Didn’t understand how to number close or anything, let alone game... so that was that. Saw her a couple months later in a random occurrence. She excitely put her hands on my chest and forearms and stuff. Think that she was a bit tipsy. Completely lost my cool but grabbed her SnapChat. Then ran cringe, CRINGE SnapChat game. Oh my god. Our chats ended quickly.

Frankly, the thought of this girl has been one of my inspirations to become a skilled seducer. Especially in my earliest stages. My unicorn.

Not pedestaling. Just saying.

But back to now. My one chance to talk to her would be to call out and hope she comes over to the edge of the roped-off enclosure.

My heart was beating too fast, though. Some form of trauma froze my veins. I’m generally a cool customer these days… but this got me. That idea to call out didn’t cross my mind until after I had already walked a few steps too many. I blew it.

Would have been bold, but I should have stopped… breathed… and tried. I’m Lofty. Being able to think and do those things on impulse… it was a humble reminder that I’m not where I need to be. But I gave her a name and mention this detail because my intuition says that it’s not over.

All good. I shake it off and continue.

Relaxing my pulse and warming my voice, I engage in a breathing exercise with one finger on my sternum and another near my navel. In... and out.

It’s good that I cooled off. Because I get approached by a group of three girls and one guy while walking. The girls are okay. The guy is defensive of the girls. One girl takes a liking to me rather quickly, asking about my night and such. Next, she invites me to their afterparty. Oh, sure. Why not?

The guy is dismayed, but I join their walk to the party. He continuously tried to get me to leave, making comments such as, “If I were you, I’d leave right now.” Aggressively-charged, of course.

I pacify with friendliness and focus returns to my target. After a few minutes of meta-pacing and immersion, I begin to have serious doubts about her mental state. Eventually, I push the truth into my thick, horny skull: this girl is way too drunk for sex. Once she makes the slurred comment that she drank so much alcohol that she’s about to piss her pants, I eject in search of a lone wolf.

Before long, I find one near the busiest street. An attractive brunette wearing an olive-colored sweater leans against the wall of a building, fixated by her phone. Nice.

I hover for a moment. Her facial expression is not friendly-looking. Tensioned. Mad. So I make a split-second choice to warmely pre-open with a simple, “How is your night going?”

Doesn’t look up from her phone. Maybe she didn’t hear. I read about a situation like this one time. Turned out to be a seduction in seconds.

I repeat.

“How is your night going?”

Doesn’t look up from her phone.

I say whatever and leave. Maybe any further comment might have been uncalibrated, but an initial RPO about her night or something likely would have been more appropriate. A little rustiness on that choice, perhaps?

The time is late by now, and the nippiness of the brisk wind tingles my face. Quiet, cold streets.

One extremely average girl passes by. I’m not drawn to her, but she warmly smiles and asks how my night is going as she nears. I don’t try to hook. Which is a terrible decision.

I’m not at the point where I can be doing that. Come on. A few months of occasional porn and a sexless life until recent has messed with my brain. Dumb.

This ends up being my last opportunity for the night. Oh well. We move on. Greater nights await.

And overall, my verbals felt smooth. It was kinda the other aspects that were a little stiff. Still, I had a couple solid approaches.

Yet while I walk home, a series of questions tease my brain.

This style of street nightgame… does it make things tougher than they need to be? Am I putting myself in the best situation for seduction? Is it efficient to have to build social frame so quickly, as I am a stranger on the street? Is it efficient to try and seduce girls who are already going somewhere, or already have a ride on the way? And even if these can be negated, is it efficient to try and do so with minimal, small-town, COVID-time foot traffic? And waking up the next day groggy and exhausted, taking away daygame opportunities?

Thinking needs to be done. Re-thinking, even.

Back at it.

 

[Velasco]

This style of street nightgame… does it make things tougher than they need to be? Am I putting myself in the best situation for seduction? Is it efficient to have to build social frame so quickly, as I am a stranger on the street? Is it efficient to try and seduce girls who are already going somewhere, or already have a ride on the way? And even if these can be negated, is it efficient to try and do so with minimal, small-town, COVID-time foot traffic? And waking up the next day groggy and exhausted, taking away daygame opportunities?

Thinking needs to be done. Re-thinking, even.

Good question. I think you can see now why many of the high lay count cold approachers here, were (and still are) pissed with the "field" (bars and clubs) being closed. It was for many of us, the most efficient way to lay many hot girls. And if this is your goal (as it should be):

My intention: get laid.

I don’t number close because I’ve made the decision not to do that anymore. Also not listing my number of approaches at the start of the entry because the metric that I care about is sex. SDL/SNL mindset to the max.

Then bar/club night game (and street game leading up to (7-10 PM) night game, post-last call (3-5 AM) is where its at. because that's where you'll find a wide number of girls that have the same goal as you:

Interesting observation from Cialdini with regards to Sex Talk and Sexually Available Girls

Was going through my notes from Pre-suasion this morning, and was reminded of this gem, as I've been reading Teev's series on compliance and ovulating girls (girls open to/down to fuck): People are dramatically more likely to pay attention to and be influenced by stimuli that fit the goal they...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[Skjöldr]

Hey @Lofty i started reading your journal and i'm learning so much. It's crazy how with just shooting off a gambit like that elicit the responses you get. This seems almost like magic, but like @Bacchus says because it is so powerful you need to balance all the 3 keys. Learning alot from your work and the feedback you get. Keep it up!

 

[Científico]

There is so much good material in this journal for me to use as fodder for my own creative process. You're doing a fine job continuing your momentum even in these low percentage times. It's inspirational and makes guys like me look like lazy bums, that's all I'm going to say.

Keep up the great work.

 

[Lofty]

Friday, January 22, 2021
Street Nightgame

I saw six bawling girls.

Ah, a salient reminder that even reduced, limited nightlife brings the throngs of emotion to the foray.

And yes, I did say that I want to focus on daygame, but that doesn’t meant that I can’t cross-game, too – experience is experience, as long as I manage these opportunities correctly. Like by not stressing my mind or other areas of my life too significantly.

The week to this point has been underwhelming. My sleep schedule is in tatters, wrecking my daygaming opportunities. The mono fatigue still looms. A drearier default state than we would like.

Though, there have been a number of reassuring advancements. Teaching myself Taoist secrets has been a rather pleasurable experience. I have been able to successfully separate orgasm from ejaculation on a few occasions and discovered new realms of my own sensuality. These trials have encouraged me to remain porn-free since the last entry.

The Multi-Orgasmic Man is a must-read. Don’t hesitate any longer to read it.

It was nice to see HBFoxxy again, too. We have a couple courses together this semester, and I will give my best efforts to bring her into my bedroom. I find it strange that she is the girl who continues to manifest within my mind. Perhaps this is social frame at work. Hers is strong. She was previously sexually unavailable for me. Now there are inklings.

Even so, I have noticed intriguing developments of her perceptions towards me. Since she knew me before I took the ever-so-pivotal step into seduction, I think that she sometimes is confused by my new, enriched personality. It’s not incongruous for me, but it might be incongruous to her – I am no longer what she expects. Maybe I’ll attempt a discussion with her about maturity and personal development, framing things that way. The tricky part is just getting her isolated.

We’ll see. Anyway, I decided that more approaches were needed to reboot the momentum further. I listen to some SMMA to pump my state, tossed on a new outfit, and went outside around midnight.

An army green bomber, jeans, white AF1s, silver necklace, silver bracelet. There’s a new route, too. This one favors logistics over foot traffic. As I’ve realized that my plausible deniability will be even stronger with a walk across the street compared to a 20-minute walk or uber ride.

My first interaction is wordless. I see a curly, auburn-haired and artsy girl who I have had class with before. A man is draped around her, but I see the look in her eyes. And the smile. My fundamentals are improving.

I take this sentiment with me as I post-up in my new location. Five minutes pass, and a lone girl nears. She warmly smiles, and I open with a VERY important question. She doesn’t stop. No biggie. I then tell her to come back because I really need to talk to an open-minded person – could that be her? She giggles and waves, but doesn’t halt. Can’t win them all. Average attractiveness anyway.

I linger around this new route for 20 more minutes. A couple larger groups, but it’s clear that I should move. Making note of the times this location was rather dead, I head to my usual route. On the way, I see another girl from what feels like a long time ago. She was obsessed with a guy in my previous social circle. Guy should’ve closed but didn’t know how, justifying it by claiming she wasn’t pretty enough. So he just never got laid, and the girl became obsessed with him. These dynamics make more sense now.

Back to this moment. Her sparkly silver dress doesn’t reflect her mood because she is in tears. She’s put on weight as well. Doesn’t look good overall. Strung out, too, maybe. She doesn’t notice me walk by while she treads into a car. This is merely another reminder of the paths our lives can take us, or those we can choose for ourselves.

My feet take me into my location. Pretty soon, I spot a lone, blonde cutie walking on the other side of the street. Judging from her path and sorority girl look, I know that she’s going to the all-girls dorm where I’ve had a few close calls before. So, I look around, realize that nothing else is really going on, and set off to casually intercept her. It’s calibrated because I’m not chasing her, I’m casually intercepting her at a crosswalk in the distance, which I know a shortcut to.

It’s cool, though, as she makes my job a lot easier. She just crosses the street like right in front of me, flaunting her black romper-covered derriere into my line of sight. Pretty clear she had similar ideas to me.

Whimpering, however. She’s crying, too. Seeking attention, wanting comfort. Why not me?

I take a few long strides so I’m walking next to her and open.

Spoiler: Approach #2: Attention

Me: Hey there, you know, we all have those nights where sometimes things don’t go as planned… it happens. But what I’ve seen in my experience is that sharing these experiences with other people can open us up to a lot more happiness.
HBBlackRomper: *teary-eyed smile*
Me: Yeah… like I’m not having the best night, either. I saw this one girl I knew, and she was really upset as well. It just reminded me of all the pressure that’s on women nowadays… with social media, judgmental “friends”… disrespectful guys… even slut-shaming. So I completely understand why you could be upset and need to let out all of these pent-up emotions.
HB: My phone is dead and my friend wouldn’t walk back with me and left me all alone…
Me: That seems really stressful. Your friend shouldn’t have done that to you… things like that also remind us that some people are so selfish… but not everyone is… like I get the sense that you’re very honest and trustworthy.
HB: Thanks! Where are you going?
Me: I was just about to see what my friends were up to… but it’s so nice out… feeling the brisk air brushing against our skin… it’s kind of exiting, you know… so we might as well keep walking and talking together.
HB: Okay

We walk and talk, nearing her dorm. My plan is to regulate her state, then pull. The chances of me sneaking into this all-girls dorm is slim. There’s receptionists and well-monitored surveillance because not only are just girls supposed to enter, but only resident girls, too, in this COVID-time.

I draw for a few topics, include my discussion with my open-minded friend about love at first sight… which I think should be more accurately deemed love at first night. Lots of girly giggles and she keeps brushing her shoulder against me. Then she makes a comment about how she can’t wait to get inside, get warm, and be consoled by her roommate.

Spoiler: Approach #2: We ARE NOT on the Same Wavelength About This, Which Unfortunately Hurts Immersion

HB: I can’t wait to get inside and talk to my roommate! We’re best friends and she always makes me feel better. I’ll even make her sleep in my bed with me and we’ll cuddle!
Me: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, right… because I’ve read about the super special effects of human touch… intimacy… where so much dopamine is released, warming the body with pleasurable sensations… and I completely get how sometimes women know you better than men… but not all men… like my bisexual friend was tel-
HB: Oh no, no, no! It’s not like that, I’m not… haha.
Me: Yeah I was just going to talk about how I understood what you were saying, like my really sexually-liberated friend Jada says the same thing…
HB: Oh haha, yeah but I’m not… I’m completely straight.
Me: But you’re sexually liberated, right? Like you, first and foremost, don’t judge anyone for what they like, and are open to new things yourself?
HB: Oh yeah definitely…

So we BOTH messed things up there. Not conducive. Weakened immersion. It got awkward for a second. I work it back into the SOT of relaxation and talk about producing music. She’s receptive, talking about her friend who makes music. We’re almost to the dorm now, so I just go for the pull with plausible deniability – we can relax and make a song together. She initially agrees but her mind is still at conflict. Backtracks to BS about her roommate texting her. I respond that her phone is dead. She’s like… oh yeah.

I persist until we reach the front door of the dorm. She’s fighting with herself, getting close to me. Even begins to fiddle with the edges of her romper around her breasts.

No dice, though. We’re already too close to her destination now. I should’ve just tried to redirect our path in order to buy me more time to setup the pull. She gives me her number, hugs me, then goes inside. That’s that, but at least there was some cute feminine touch. Velasco had made a suggestion in a similar situation before, but I guess I was so fixated on pulling to mine that my judgement was clouded.

I pass another crying girl on my way back to the route, but she’s just trying to get home. With other passerby, that’s Crying Girl #5. Let that one go after a quick opening attempt. As a side note, like, I think a lot of these girls are hoping that someone DOES help them reregulate their state. Then, they are susceptible to influence when their state is regulated. I just messed up my chance at that tonight. It helps them, though, if they want it. Some are more open than others.

I’m almost back to one of my preferred post-up locations when a girl – who is passable – and her male friend walk towards me from the opposite direction. I wasn’t planning on opening because she was average and with a guy, but she just opens me.

Spoiler: Approach #4: Girl Opens And Calls Me Beautiful

Girl: Oh my god, you’re so beautiful!
Me (stopping, off-guard): Oh, um, thanks… you know, I think it’s really interesting that you say that… it shows that you must be really confident, mature, and independent… like you care what YOU think… not what EVERYONE else thinks… I really respect that.
Girl: Hehehe thank you! You’re hot
Me: What are you up to?
Girl: We’re just… *looks at anxious male friend*…. walking around.
Me: Okay yeah… me too. Tonight has such an interesting vibe… like you’re back for the new semester… you feel how the air is a little warmer tonight.. a little more comforting… and it relaxes but excites you at the same time, you know? So yeah… I’m probably just going to walk back to my place… relax… maybe make some music…
Girl: Make some music?
Me: Yeah… like what I really like to do to relax is… produce music... it just really frees your mind and all of these pressures just weighing down on our shoulders like school… and COVID… just are released when we take a moment to express ourselves in new ways, you know?
Girl: That’s so cool!
Me: Hey… do YOU know how music is made on a computer nowadays?
Girl: No… but I WANT to know!
Me: Great… come with me… we’ll just go on quick walk –
Girl: Where do you live?
Me: [place - 20 minute walk since I went to this route].
Girl: Okay, I know where that is
Me: - and just really relax on this beautiful night, enjoying each other’s company… but just making music, it’ll be really fun and interesting… come on, let’s go.
Girl: Okay! But I really don’t want to walk…
Me: Yeah, me neither. We’ll just grab an uber.
Girl: *gets inches away from my face*

Alright. Just a couple minutes to set-up the pull. Tried to escalate the vibe quickly. But… there’s her friend. Pretty sure he’s gay. His presence was weak, so I just ignored him, even though he was nervously shaking his head. Now, I decide to address him in order to defend against the cockblock while the uber comes.

Spoiler: Approach #4: Gay Friend Cockblocks

Me: Hey, yeah, I get this vibe between you two that you really trust each other… and while good friends… you’re both very independent, is that right?
Guy: Yeah...
Me: Cool, so we’re just going to hang out for a bit – if you need to contact her, you have her phone number of course… I’ll even give you my phone number, too.
Guy: Umm… uh…. we’re actually d-d-ating.
Girl: What.
Guy: I’m her protector… I need to make sure she stays safe.
Me: You want to make sure she stays safe… I completely get that. Of course you want your friend to stay safe. I’ll make sure she stays safe… no worries.
Guy: Girl… you can’t go. PLEASE. You can’t go. Come with me to Matt’s house and we’ll get some drinks.
Girl: But I want to go with him!
Guy: You don’t even know him!
Me: Hey, I trust YOU. I think that you can actually tell a lot about a person very quickly, just like how could see how much you cared about your friend. You trust her, right?
Guy: Yeah.
Me: Do your respect her judgement of character?
Guy: Yeah.
Me: Do you want her to have fun?
Guy: Yeah.
Me: Cool, we’re all on the same page.
Girl: Actually, I think Guy needs to approve of me going with you.
Guy: I don’t.

Well. I try hitting on some more plausible deniability, stream one of my songs to solidify the social frame, and talk to the guy about making sure that he protects her by making sure that she doesn’t regret not taking advantage of the opportunities that life presents.

Doesn’t work, and he drags her away. She’s sad.

I messed up, again. I was going to ask some skilled seducers about this, but it was just dumb. I just needed to pull her away and get her isolated. Start walking with her, lead her by the arm. That guy wasn’t going to do anything if I did. Oh well.

Next approach is when I reach my post-up spot. A guy tries hitting on a group of four girls waiting for the crosswalk. He doesn’t do well, and the hottest girl – a sexy alternative type with a blonde streak in her brown her – tells him that she’ll beat him up if he doesn’t go away. I catch her eying me at this moment.

He goes away very soon. Cool. She’s hot.

I go up to her and say that she definitely would have beat that guy up, and how she seems so tough and independent. How all those creepy, groping guys just can’t handle her. She eats this up like a bowl of Cheerios.

Knowing I need to isolate her from her friends, I lead her away to the nearby building wall, which I lean against. Just said that we were standing too close to the road and she complied. I like this girl a lot, and I’m trying to work fast while her friends hang at the corner. They get the walk signal a few times, but they let her keep talking to me. Thanks!

Then, out of nowhere, some guy comes up to me. What, random guy?

He gets all nervous because he literally thinks I’m one of the actors from Stranger Things. Definitely would have went with that for the social frame if I knew anything about that show at all, but I don’t. So he messes up the set. The hottie is confused.

Around that moment, her friends get the walk signal again. Now, they call out to her. She touches my shoulder, saying that she really needs to go but it was really cool talking to me, and scampers off to her friends, waving her cute little hand. Come on.

I approach a couple average two-sets just to keep momentum up, but the night winds down. Although, I do see HBEmerald and HBOpal. HBOpal, like the old social circle girl, has also put on some weight. That’s not good for her big Instagram page… but again, it shows how these months have been hard on so many people. I feel for her. I don’t care we never went on a coffee date. It must be tough to handle mentally.

Crying girl #6 as I walk to a bench, whose boyfriend just sighs when I ask him if everything’s okay.

Not long after, the streets are dead. I call it a night. On the way back, I come across 4 drunk frat guys and one girl who asks me how my night is going.

Could have gone better, I say.

I’ll also mention that these events got caught up in my mind during a brief daygame/scouting outing on Saturday, and I missed a few approach opportunities while in this reflection.

Can’t let that happen again. My mind needs to be free when approaching.

Amor fati, perhaps.

 

[Bacchus]

I messed up, again. I was going to ask some skilled seducers about this, but it was just dumb. I just needed to pull her away and get her isolated. Start walking with her, lead her by the arm. That guy wasn’t going to do anything if I did. Oh well.

This is a spot on analysis.

You gave him the opportunity to derail your interaction. . . once you broke circle. Next time you find yourself in a similar situation, just say you're going to call the Uber and do exactly that. If you want to be on the safer side. . . then set the car's arrival down somewhere the street. . . and just offer your hand.

Remember you already framed her as confident and independent. What she needed next was a golden opportunity to prove this to you and herself.

Note that disarming a cockblock or barrier without even addressing the antagonistic factor. . . helps you abide by the social law of least effort. In the links from my last sentence here. . . as well as the one above. . . you can find frame-control techs that will enable you to do this without ever breaking circle.

It seems like you broke circle again by addressing that random guy. . . in the interaction that followed. Although it's hard to tell from the lack of conversation details. Anyway, here are some words of advice. . . get used to ignoring anything outside your liminal circle that doesn't aid unfolding seductions. You must behave. . . as if those people do not exist. Unless the girl you're speaking to verbally addresses them. Now, it is good to have awareness of potential cockblocks in the vicinity. But you give them the power to hurt you if you welcome them into your circle. . . so don't do that.

 

[Glow]

Nice to see youre continuing your exploits

To expand what bacchus is outlining you could add
I really like people who are confident and not caught up by pressures on how to be. If they want something theyre not afraid to go for it even if they have to sometimes go against their friends or somewhat superficial social obligations.
This is a proved sexual frame from good old Captain Jack. It would roll well off your framing of her confidence and boost it even more.

i do stuff like this almost everytime - boosting her confidence cause i want her to be active in the seduction. so for most states i do it - Unless shes on the backheel as i call it which is a state where she screens hard and ruthlessly.

Note that its HARD to get girls to break social conventions like running away from a friend or connection of sorts. So hand them the material and grow the egoistic drive in her. And you might get lucky. But its far from surebet. Shes on a tipping point of wanting to go but cant cause shes out w chode x and the social obligation that lies there.

The other part is gold hooks before decision time. I could write a book about that but just beware that a STRONGER elicit of her and usage of her feeling can provide stronger hooks that riffing things she can lash onto can eg. There are hooks. And then there are HOOKS! we discuss levels of hook in our circles. Consider how you can hook stronger moving forw. its a really good thing to study.

Another is dont worry well just be half an hour, then you can join him at matts - these type of formulations can really help when shes in decision mode and weighting things up partly cause she doesnt wanna break rapport with you. Use that.

btw nice w the producing music. Its mixing emotional stimulation with intrigue baiting. and its a plausible denial pull-to-home reason. Something she can join. With excitement. And it is night life relevant and creative (djing). Ive used dancing and had routines on "immersing into music" which is great between first meet and initial hook and more feely/imaginative states bringing her from initially immersed to more immersed. Check nextasf where i outlined if you wanna steal some descriptive language. but just to say that this particular theme serves multiple purposes and fit night and day game - supertight!

for the thing were writing note that some are preemptive things you do when you see shes with a guy to build up to getting her away. others are during the pull away moment.

 

[Skills]

I am just going to give you a different take, the mistake you made with the gay guy was totally ignoring him, and then coming to him at the end with the close....... With gay guys you need to befriend them and give him some attention, usually they will help you close the girl if they like you, if they don't like you, you are fucked...You don't always have to hard core isolate, you can also stay in set till the end, most of my lays were stay in set till the end were you 2 will be at some point naturally isolated.... remember mystery "introduce me to your friend is the polite think to do", i personally say when they are about to come, "hi am lofty i just met your friend ____" or the one i used the most joking around is "this is ____ her name" like me introducing them for the first time.... take a look at this post were i explain how to deal with gays... Here is a lay report with a gay dude involved... I am not a fan of ignore the group, sneak out the isolation like a robbery cause as you can see, it can backfired totally when caught... Now what i do is isolate in venue, "hey i am going to get a quick drink with your friend, i promise i will bring her right back", another one i use is "tell your friends you know me from highschool" if a date/bf present "tell your friends i am your gay friend"

 

[Velasco]

@Skills

It wasn't breaking the circle to address the dude that fucked up the pull, but how he addressed him ("hey bro you can leave now. I got it from here" subcommunications VS "hey man sorry for ignoring you lol. Did you wanna come with us to produce some music too lol?" -> if he says yes (I assume he's gonna say "no you guys can go" cuz I made him feel included a bit) then => "alright awesome. This Uber's only picking up 2 people tho. but you can call yourself one. I'll give you the address." (another opportunity for him to decline, cuz he'll need to spend unnecessary money). then, give him a random address. and tell her to turn off her phone in the car. in the morning/or after you guys smash, she can tell him her phone died. The end )

but ya lol @ assuming he wasn't gonna fuck up the uber pull for completely ignoring him.

Doesn’t work, and he drags her away. She’s sad.

Bottom line is: she thought he was beautiful.

lol @ thinking him framing her as any these things would have any impact (or even registered to her besides "hot guy gave me a compliment").

Girl: Oh my god, you’re so beautiful!
Me (stopping, off-guard): Oh, um, thanks… you know, I think it’s really interesting that you say that… it shows that you must be really confident, mature, and independent… like you care what YOU think… not what EVERYONE else thinks… I really respect that.
Girl: Hehehe thank you! You’re hot

when there is plenty of evidence it doesn't do what it's suppose to do

Me: Okay, I do get the vibe from you that you are… an adventurous person. Is that right?
HB: Haha, yeaaah!
Me: So you do see yourself as an adventurous… AND open-minded person… one who really GRABS life by the HORNS and THRUSTS themselves into the THICK of it?
HB: I like the way you talk… it’s so different! Yeah, I’d like to think that I’m adventurous and open-minded!

I say, “You know, I’m really thirsty… we have been talking for a while. Could I stop in your place for a glass of water?”

“That’s not going to work, buddy. You’re going to have to text me.”

and then of course we have the contradicting advice with one skilled seducer saying don't break the circle. while another skilled seducer says break the circle to address the obstacle. because you can bring her back into the circle anyway.

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[Skills]

@Skills

It wasn't breaking the circle to address the dude that fucked up the pull, but how he addressed him ("hey bro you can leave now. I got it from here" subcommunications VS "hey man sorry for ignoring you lol. Did you wanna come with us to produce some music too lol?" -> if he says yes (I assume he's gonna say "no you guys can go" cuz I made him feel included a bit) then => "alright awesome. This Uber's only picking up 2 people tho. but you can call yourself one. I'll give you the address." (another opportunity for him to decline, cuz he'll need to spend unnecessary money). then, give him a random address. and tell her to turn off her phone in the car. in the morning/or after you guys smash, she can tell him her phone died. The end )

but ya lol @ assuming he wasn't gonna fuck up the uber pull for completely ignoring him.

Bottom line is: she thought he was beautiful.

lol @ thinking him framing her as any these things would have any impact (or even registered to her besides "hot guy gave me a compliment").

when there is plenty of evidence it doesn't do what it's suppose to do


and then of course we have the contradicting advice with one skilled seducer saying don't break the circle. while another skilled seducer says break the circle to address the obstacle. because you can bring her back into the circle anyway.

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^ actually this is the total right answered of highest % odds, i just read the spoilers... (i think he was thinking gay as in weak dude)

 

[Glow]

@Skills

It wasn't breaking the circle to address the dude that fucked up the pull, but how he addressed him ("hey bro you can leave now. I got it from here" subcommunications VS "hey man sorry for ignoring you lol. Did you wanna come with us to produce some music too lol?" -> if he says yes (I assume he's gonna say "no you guys can go" cuz I made him feel included a bit) then => "alright awesome. This Uber's only picking up 2 people tho. but you can call yourself one. I'll give you the address." (another opportunity for him to decline, cuz he'll need to spend unnecessary money). then, give him a random address. and tell her to turn off her phone in the car. in the morning/or after you guys smash, she can tell him her phone died. The end )

but ya lol @ assuming he wasn't gonna fuck up the uber pull for completely ignoring him.

Bottom line is: she thought he was beautiful.

lol @ thinking him framing her as any these things would have any impact (or even registered to her besides "hot guy gave me a compliment").

when there is plenty of evidence it doesn't do what it's suppose to do


and then of course we have the contradicting advice with one skilled seducer saying don't break the circle. while another skilled seducer says break the circle to address the obstacle. because you can bring her back into the circle anyway.

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Theres a clear outline w the guys exchange and pre that w the girl were responding too. Aka plenty of background detail to what were saying.

You say her being drawn to Lofty makes everything else he says irrellevant.
have you ever used sexual framing or verbals?
it is exactly to shape things from there you could use this as a way to direct and give her frames to lash onto etc.

The point im making is that we or lofty have NO clue of their connection or her obligation to him as a friend date or whatever he is which is what needs to be addressed. And if u know a lil its HARD to rip a girl away for lay in a two set as one guy unless you find her friend something similar. I make this clear and provide a model.

For this Bacchus and i choose a girl centric tactic.
subtle cue of keeping him out of the lock-in which slowly reduces him to very little
and a peak into this model is that girls will organise this themselves if you do this well.
if you see teevs ten years anniversary post he observes me hooking a girl in a minute with her telling her two friends to fuck off and wait
ive often made girls eg by just taking a talk w her friend or alike arranging things themselves.
Also note her opening lofty will indicate things about her role in sets and type being a bit more engaging which could tell you things about her and her state atm.

im getting a lil tired with your style of discussion

@Skills
and then of course we have the contradicting advice with one skilled seducer saying don't break the circle. while another skilled seducer says break the circle to address the obstacle. because you can bring her back into the circle anyway.

its not contradictory
there are many ways to skin the cat
notably these follow each seducers approaches if your observant
more ways enables a stronger variety in your arsenal
some will fit some styles better

- Glow

 

[Bacchus]

To expand what bacchus is outlining you could add
I really like people who are confident and not caught up by pressures on how to be. If they want something theyre not afraid to go for it even if they have to sometimes go against their friends or somewhat superficial social obligations.
This is a proved sexual frame from good old Captain Jack. It would roll well off your framing of her confidence and boost it even more.

i do stuff like this almost everytime - boosting her confidence cause i want her to be active in the seduction.

Notice the smooth frame control in there.

Covert seduction involves giving her opportunities to convince herself to play a game with you. And when it rolls over smoothly, or you see a moment where things are clicking. . . that's a good time to make up the rules. Like introducing suggestive frames which could enable you both to move faster.

So hand them the material and grow the egoistic drive in her.

Indeed. It's quite interesting to see what girls do. . . when you cultivate their egos.

The other part is gold hooks before decision time. I could write a book about that but just beware that a STRONGER elicit of her and usage of her feeling can provide stronger hooks that riffing things she can lash onto can eg. There are hooks. And then there are HOOKS! we discuss levels of hook in our circles. Consider how you can hook stronger moving forw. its a really good thing to study.

Working conversations over with precise elicitations enables a seducer to access varied depths of strong emotions.

The feelings girls experience from this type of emotional stimulation are often addictive. Which is in some large part due the natural pre-occupation each person's DNA and central-nervous-system has with each other. So our job as seducers. . . is to take this hunger for self discovery and use it to create associations. . . that will benefit our seductions. Like linking potent feelings elicited from her favorite activity to a carefully chosen hobby of yours.

Or even deciding to unite these deeply personal emotions you stir up. . . with some of the anti-ASD character traits discussed here.

Now if you are a student of game reading these words. . . just note the importance of framing yourself as relatable in seduction. These are pragmatic strategies to follow when talking about yourself. Because in her eyes. . . it feels like you're drawing out and connecting with the best parts of herself. Another way to look what you aim to accomplish when using these techs. . . is accelerating the process of generating trust while cold approaching.

Conversations like these are handy since they flip interactions. . . into golden hooks more consistently. Which deepens as you continue to create and establish more seductive associations. To put it simply the more you elict, link and mirror. . . the more weight she gives. . . to the rules of your game.

 

[Velasco]

You say her being drawn to Lofty makes everything else he says irrellevant.

Girl: Oh my god, you’re so beautiful!
Me (stopping, off-guard): Oh, thank you lol. what are you guys up to?
Girl: We’re just… *looks at anxious male friend*…. walking around.
Me: oh yea? i was walking around too ...looking for some fresh inspiration to hit me cuz I'm making some new music tonight
Girl: Making some music?
Me: Yeah…do you know how music is made on a computer nowadays?
Girl: No… but I WANT to know!
Me: cool..you wanna come wit me to check it out?
Girl: Where do you live?
Me: [place - 20 minute walk since I went to this route].
Girl: Okay, I know where that is But I really don’t want to walk…
Me: Yeah, me neither. We’ll just grab an uber.
Girl: *gets inches away from my face*
Me: *starts ordering Uber* [looking at obstacle] hey bro I'm sorry if I was ignoring you lol. what's up?

The point im making is that we or lofty have NO clue of their connection or her obligation to him as a friend date or whatever he is which is what needs to be addressed.

ya ignoring him will for sure will address their connection. cuz "how do you guys know each other?" would ruin everything.

if you see teevs ten years anniversary post he observes me hooking a girl in a minute telling her two friends to fuck off and wait

ya if ur in a club this isn't hard. Her 2 friends can talk amongst each other and meet other guys, if they see their friend is with a hot guy. one friend left out to dry however, is why Teev was all about getting a guy for the obstacle in the field report linked above.

Also note her opening lofty will indicate things about her role in sets and type being a bit more engaging which could tell you things about her and her state atm.

she's a horny average looking girl (his word not mine) opening a hot guy? what did I miss?

notably these follow each seducers approaches if your observant
more ways enables a stronger variety in your arsenal
some will fit some styles better

first time i've ever heard someone saying to ignore the cockblock cuz it'll break the circle (if the circle is that fragile, maybe there are better strategies you can use so that the circle breaking for a bit doesn't kill the set?)

 

[Skills]

Girl: Oh my god, you’re so beautiful!
Me (stopping, off-guard): Oh, thank you lol. what are you guys up to?
Girl: We’re just… *looks at anxious male friend*…. walking around.
Me: oh yea? i was walking around too ...looking for some fresh inspiration to hit me cuz I'm making some new music tonight
Girl: Making some music?
Me: Yeah…do you know how music is made on a computer nowadays?
Girl: No… but I WANT to know!
Me: cool..you wanna come wit me to check it out?
Girl: Where do you live?
Me: [place - 20 minute walk since I went to this route].
Girl: Okay, I know where that is But I really don’t want to walk…
Me: Yeah, me neither. We’ll just grab an uber.
Girl: *gets inches away from my face*
Me: *starts ordering Uber* [looking at obstacle] hey bro I'm sorry if I was ignoring you lol. what's up?

ya ignoring him will for sure will address their connection. cuz "how do you guys know each other?" would ruin everything.

ya if ur in a club this isn't hard. Her 2 friends can talk amongst each other and meet other guys, if they see their friend is with a hot guy. one friend left out to dry however, is why Teev was all about getting a guy for the obstacle in the field report linked above.

she's a horny average looking girl (his word not mine) opening a hot guy? what did I miss?

first time i've ever heard someone saying to ignore the cockblock cuz it'll break the circle (if the circle is that fragile, maybe there are better strategies you can use so that the circle breaking for a bit doesn't kill the set?)

^ now you ruined it, lol this is low odds,... The mistake that was made was that the dude was not befriended, so glow and bachaus way to sneak her out is cool but high chance of the dude catching it and cock blocking. (any good friend would do this no matter how smooth the seducer is)

I am saying to befriend the dude, and address him, the problem is that she needs to save face for her rep... So for super fast pull without addressing the dude bachaus/glow way... But if he gets caught he is done...

or you can stay in set in a way that is cool and safe and interact a bit with the set showing you are cool and safe, and then stay in set, let her handle the thing at the end....

With time and experience lofty will be able to maneuver and predict the punches coming, he will be alright...

 

[Velasco]

^ now you ruined it, lol this is low odds

lol. explain?

When a girl is this into u from the start, you don't need to do anything, but lead her out with plausible deniability (of course non-verbals are important here. but i can't show them here with words. so i used some emojis). field tested.

at your place obvi comfort -> sexual arousal -> escalate.

But if he gets caught he is done...

this is the thing....how is he NOT gonna get caught? the friend is standing right there lol.

I understand, isolating her in a club for a drink to the bar. and then you guys lose the guy she came with in the crowd, so then you guys can leave the venue without saying a word to the obstacle (also field tested) but we are not in a venue here...

I am saying to befriend the dude, and address him, the problem is that she needs to save face for her rep

ya this is what i showed with the last text. i assumed people would understand that that's the part where i begin addressing the friend. like i talked about in my original post.

 

[Lofty]

This is a spot on analysis.

You gave him the opportunity to derail your interaction. . . once you broke circle. Next time you find yourself in a similar situation, just say you're going to call the Uber and do exactly that. If you want to be on the safer side. . . then set the car's arrival down somewhere the street. . . and just offer your hand.

Remember you already framed her as confident and independent. What she needed next was a golden opportunity to prove this to you and herself.

Note that disarming a cockblock or barrier without even addressing the antagonistic factor. . . helps you abide by the social law of least effort. In the links from my last sentence here. . . as well as the one above. . . you can find frame-control techs that will enable you to do this without ever breaking circle.

It seems like you broke circle again by addressing that random guy. . . in the interaction that followed. Although it's hard to tell from the lack of conversation details. Anyway, here are some words of advice. . . get used to ignoring anything outside your liminal circle that doesn't aid unfolding seductions. You must behave. . . as if those people do not exist. Unless the girl you're speaking to verbally addresses them. Now, it is good to have awareness of potential cockblocks in the vicinity. But you give them the power to hurt you if you welcome them into your circle. . . so don't do that.

Thanks for the savvy words, Bacchus, as always.

I see how I slipped from the law from least effort when engaging him on my own accord. In reflection, a certain feeling washed over me when she agreed to my plausible deniability. A feeling almost like, there MUST be more work to do here... that can't be everything! So I think my mind felt there was more to do when there really wasn’t. So I overcomplicated things. It also allowed ASD to visibly creep into her, which could have been entirely avoided by inserting these proper frames.

Also, this helps me pinpoint how I need to do a much better job at setting challenging frames overall. Like I can use a subtle opportunities and challenges technique but tend to stray away from more pronounced barriers. As my frame control strengthens, I certainly understand how these strong barriers can lead to significant leaps in influential momentum.

As for the next interaction, yeah... I didn't fully detail it because it was getting late, and I was trying to get out onto the streets for another outing. Also why there were some typos at first. Sheesh.

But you are absolutely correct. I became far too engaged with that guy’s unexpected comment. Perhaps I could have quickly dismissed him without fully breaking circle by asking the girl if she thought this actor indeed looked like me or whatever, then wished him a nice night.

Nice to see youre continuing your exploits

To expand what bacchus is outlining you could add
I really like people who are confident and not caught up by pressures on how to be. If they want something theyre not afraid to go for it even if they have to sometimes go against their friends or somewhat superficial social obligations.
This is a proved sexual frame from good old Captain Jack. It would roll well off your framing of her confidence and boost it even more.

i do stuff like this almost everytime - boosting her confidence cause i want her to be active in the seduction. so for most states i do it - Unless shes on the backheel as i call it which is a state where she screens hard and ruthlessly.

Hey Glow! Your recent log posts have really directed my mind towards a bunch of fine little nuances.

Thanks for sharing this frame – it is very true that I was especially missing out on that last bit about friends. I think using such a tactic would have had rather rewarding effects in this set, plus it could have been a great chance for recovery if used even after I mistakenly broke circle.

Note that its HARD to get girls to break social conventions like running away from a friend or connection of sorts. So hand them the material and grow the egoistic drive in her. And you might get lucky. But its far from surebet. Shes on a tipping point of wanting to go but cant cause shes out w chode x and the social obligation that lies there.

The other part is gold hooks before decision time. I could write a book about that but just beware that a STRONGER elicit of her and usage of her feeling can provide stronger hooks that riffing things she can lash onto can eg. There are hooks. And then there are HOOKS! we discuss levels of hook in our circles. Consider how you can hook stronger moving forw. its a really good thing to study.

Awesome point about the hooks.

I need to more aggressively link her emotions into her current and future experiences with me. Maybe at times I am trying to be too convincing instead of emotionally influential. This seems like a beautiful parallel to your point about “arouse and tempt” regarding physical escalations – golden hooks at this stage should build her emotions to the stage where she is ready to pounce for the moment the pull happens.

Another is dont worry well just be half an hour, then you can join him at matts - these type of formulations can really help when shes in decision mode and weighting things up partly cause she doesnt wanna break rapport with you. Use that.

Will do!

btw nice w the producing music. Its mixing emotional stimulation with intrigue baiting. and its a plausible denial pull-to-home reason. Something she can join. With excitement. And it is night life relevant and creative (djing). Ive used dancing and had routines on "immersing into music" which is great between first meet and initial hook and more feely/imaginative states bringing her from initially immersed to more immersed. Check nextasf where i outlined if you wanna steal some descriptive language. but just to say that this particular theme serves multiple purposes and fit night and day game - supertight!

for the thing were writing note that some are preemptive things you do when you see shes with a guy to build up to getting her away. others are during the pull away moment.

If it sounds just a little familiar in style… that’s because it's supposed to be!

I’ve reformulated this plausible deniability based on your dancing and Bacchus’ portraits. Recently, I’ve reviewed how you two work this and make it appear a highly engaging opportunity for her. One that’s done together and for the benefit of her own stimulation. That’s why I hope to keep discovering ways to make it more about HER… like, I’ll show you how, we’ll make a song together, it’ll be our own special creation, etc.

Then the next step is becoming more descriptive as you suggest. I sometimes confuse myself about this because sometimes I’m very descriptive, and other times I’m not. As if my brain isn’t consistently in descriptive verbals mode. But then once I’m in descriptive verbals mode, then I do it without too much thinking. Hmm, I’ll have to explore this further…

I am just going to give you a different take, the mistake you made with the gay guy was totally ignoring him, and then coming to him at the end with the close....... With gay guys you need to befriend them and give him some attention, usually they will help you close the girl if they like you, if they don't like you, you are fucked...You don't always have to hard core isolate, you can also stay in set till the end, most of my lays were stay in set till the end were you 2 will be at some point naturally isolated.... remember mystery "introduce me to your friend is the polite think to do", i personally say when they are about to come, "hi am lofty i just met your friend ____" or the one i used the most joking around is "this is ____ her name" like me introducing them for the first time.... take a look at this post were i explain how to deal with gays... Here is a lay report with a gay dude involved... I am not a fan of ignore the group, sneak out the isolation like a robbery cause as you can see, it can backfired totally when caught... Now what i do is isolate in venue, "hey i am going to get a quick drink with your friend, i promise i will bring her right back", another one i use is "tell your friends you know me from highschool" if a date/bf present "tell your friends i am your gay friend"

Thanks for the alternate viewpoint Skills. This analysis also makes sense.

I really like what both you and Glow say in your following posts, too, about becoming familiar with different strategies in order to make a better read of the situation next time. It’s true that seductions are fluid events with different paths to go down, and being aware of multiple different solutions should provide a higher chance to make the correct adjustment on-the-fly.

And yes, I I could have been more clear in the report. Based on observing her friend for those few moments – and I know an observation might not tell the full story – but I did presume that her friend was gay. Things like mannerisms and also the underlying vibe when he claimed that they were “dating” and he was her “protector”… seemed like he anxiously took responsibility to protect this girl from evil victimization at the hands of this mysterious man. But I guess I should be more careful of making judgements of sexuality in the future. It was my presumption at the time, however.

It wasn't breaking the circle to address the dude that fucked up the pull, but how he addressed him ("hey bro you can leave now. I got it from here" subcommunications VS "hey man sorry for ignoring you lol. Did you wanna come with us to produce some music too lol?" -> if he says yes (I assume he's gonna say "no you guys can go" cuz I made him feel included a bit) then => "alright awesome. This Uber's only picking up 2 people tho. but you can call yourself one. I'll give you the address." (another opportunity for him to decline, cuz he'll need to spend unnecessary money). then, give him a random address. and tell her to turn off her phone in the car. in the morning/or after you guys smash, she can tell him her phone died. The end )

but ya lol @ assuming he wasn't gonna fuck up the uber pull for completely ignoring him.

Bottom line is: she thought he was beautiful.

lol @ thinking him framing her as any these things would have any impact (or even registered to her besides "hot guy gave me a compliment").

when there is plenty of evidence it doesn't do what it's suppose to do


and then of course we have the contradicting advice with one skilled seducer saying don't break the circle. while another skilled seducer says break the circle to address the obstacle. because you can bring her back into the circle anyway.

Especially recently, and I dunno why - it actually really confuses me - it seems like the vibe of “Velasco vs Whoever” has been amplified?

But it doesn’t have to be like that?

Moving on, though.

This is an interesting suggestion about addressing him differently. I did briefly think about inviting him, too, but if he says yes, then I thought it might be game over. As in if he’s trying to cockblock and accepts the offer, then I would either have to somehow isolate her again or just eject from the set. Giving the wrong address is hilarious, but I also don’t want him to call the cops about me abducting his friend or something weird like that...

Also, I've seen the power of these precise frames many times. Off the top of my head, and this is a moment that I’ve relived over and over again, is when I used a submissiveness frame on HBWildflower. This flipped on her ultra-submissiveness switch for the rest of the night. But I know there are other successful frames that could be dug up, too, about adventure and spontaneity and stuff.

I know you don't particularly like this mindset, but I still think that if they didn't work as intended, then that only proves there were other issues in my game. At the very minimum, I think these frames lead the seduction in the correct direction even if she doesn't fall into it right away.

Lots of great ideas here and lots of stuff to work on – much appreciated, everyone!

 

[Velasco]

In reflection, a certain feeling washed over me when she agreed to my plausible deniability. A feeling almost like, there MUST be more work to do here... that can't be everything! So I think my mind felt there was more to do when there really wasn’t. So I overcomplicated things.

perhaps this is because youve been conditioned to believe that bedding women in a single night is supposed to be difficult. That unless you do all this overcomplicated mumbo jumbo, she won't spread her legs for you. so that, when you DO run into a girl who is ready within seconds, despite you not doing much, it simply does not compute.

This is more or less, why I was making fun of this "frame her as confident" kind of stuff here. Not frames in general (I'm sure I don't need to remind you that I am a fan of secret society frames (showing her via my views on topics that come up and non-verbal actions, that I'm a member). it's just completely unnecessary stuff when she's this DTF lol.

Like in this report I know you're fond of. As soon as she looks up from her phone and sees the face of the guy whose been trying to get her attention, she was down to fuck him (sexually attracted and available). He was able to recognize that, and so he didn't waste any time framing her as XYZ or whatever, because he knew that all he had to do, was provide her with a plausible deniable enough excuse for them to do what they both wanted to do...only that he did not have to deal with any obstacles that were present in the environment. You did. And so for this particular instance, befriending the dude as @Skills said was the move. because ignoring him (under this context) had the higher probability of backfiring on you.

I did briefly think about inviting him, too, but if he says yes, then I thought it might be game over. As in if he’s trying to cockblock and accepts the offer, then I would either have to somehow isolate her again or just eject from the set. Giving the wrong address is hilarious, but I also don’t want him to call the cops about me abducting his friend or something weird like that...

Lemme guess you thought about inviting him over around this part, right?

Guy: Yeah.
Me: Do your respect her judgement of character?
Guy: Yeah.
Me: Do you want her to have fun?
Guy: Yeah.
Me: Cool, we’re all on the same page.
Girl: Actually, I think Guy needs to approve of me going with you.
Guy: I don’t.

Well. I try hitting on some more plausible deniability, stream one of my songs to solidify the social frame, and talk to the guy about making sure that he protects her by making sure that she doesn’t regret not taking advantage of the opportunities that life presents.

Can you see why that would've lead to a higher probability of him actually accepting your invitation and then probably calling the cops (lol) when he realizes he's been duped lol?

 

[Bismarck]

@Vel this last post of yours seems to contradict your stance on my most recent LR thread, where you made it a point to repeat multiple times that the reason she left 30 minutes into sex was that I didn't use sexual verbals (verbals which, for day game, you were unable to supply examples of), those same verbals you're now saying Lofty doesn't need to use with a girl who's DTF.

Which incidentally is how I operated with the Spanish girl two weeks ago. I took her straight home without using any game apart from compliance building, strong non-verbals (EC, etc.), leading, and some reframes. Leading to the girl leaving 30 minutes into sex because, like you said in my thread, she didn't "desire" the sex.

What gives dude?

 

[Velasco]

@Bismarck
you made it a point to repeat multiple times that the reason she left 30 minutes into sex was that I didn't use sexual verbals (verbals which, for day game, you were unable to supply examples of), those same verbals you're now saying Lofty doesn't need to use with a girl who's DTF.

In your report I wrote this

sex prizing = bring up the topic of sex and showing her that you are secret society member via perspectives/frames on the topics that come up

Now...is this is sexual prizing?

Me (stopping, off-guard): Oh, um, thanks… you know, I think it’s really interesting that you say that… it shows that you must be really confident, mature, and independent… like you care what YOU think… not what EVERYONE else thinks… I really respect that.
Girl: Hehehe thank you! You’re hot

Which incidentally is how I operated with the Spanish girl two weeks ago. I took her straight home without using any game apart from compliance building, strong non-verbals (EC, etc.), leading, and some reframes. Leading to the girl leaving 30 minutes into sex because, like you said in my thread, she didn't "desire" the sex

I am glad you did not use any game besides strong non-verbals and leading a DTF girl to your apartment with plausible deniability about seeing the river from your patio.

When a girl is this into u from the start, you don't need to do anything, but lead her out with plausible deniability (of course non-verbals are important here. but i can't show them here with words. so i used some emojis). field tested.

However, what did I write under that comment?

at your place obvi comfort -> sexual arousal -> escalate

And what was the advice I gave you?

Escalating before she's dying for it to happen the first time. So skipping the sex prizing in the "comfortable -> sex talk -> escalate" sequence (Edit: need to add, you can skip the sex talk and comfort building time, if you feel its conducive to go straight to sex, as your walking into your apartment) and not realizing it (went back to escalating after going back to comfort after she resisted).

 

[Lofty]

SOFTLY, O midnight Hours!
Move softly o'er the bowers
Where lies in happy sleep a girl so fair!
For ye have power, men say,
Our hearts in sleep to sway,
And cage cold fancies in a moonlight snare.
Round ivory neck and arm
Enclasp a separate charm;
Hang o'er her poised, but breathe nor sigh nor prayer:
Silently ye may smile,
But hold your breath the while,
And let the wind sweep back your cloudy hair!

Bend down your glittering urns,
Ere yet the dawn returns,
And star with dew the lawn her feet shall tread;
Upon the air rain balm,
Bid all the woods be calm,
Ambrosial dreams with healthful slumbers wed;
That so the Maiden may
With smiles your care repay,
When from her couch she lifts her golden head;
Waking with earliest birds,
Ere yet the misty herds
Leave warm 'mid the gray grass their dusky bed.

================================

Wednesday, January 27, 2021

I almost didn’t write this post.

There’s almost an expectation within me that whatever I do, it has to be really good. It’s tough because the nature of life suggests some sway between good and bad. I think much of life is manipulating this pendulum so that the positive sways last longer and are more fulfilling.

Regardless, I must continue the fruitful habit of logging my progress whether it was satisfactory or not. Today, I didn’t give myself much good to draw from. That’s okay because it’ll simply inspire a stronger rebound.

Before that, I’ll note that I did go out approaching on Saturday night. For all of my talk about getting better at regulating state, I was humbly reminded that significant progress must be made in stabilizing my baseline emotions. Because I’ve been off a little since Saturday night.

I had another run-in with the police.

No, not in that way. Here’s what happened.

So I get out late because I wanted to write my FR from the previous night, which is a refreshing practice for my mind. My first approach is on yet another sad-looking girl, and all of a sudden, her boyfriend aggressively jumps in the fray. Got dangerously close to fists being thrown, but I had to do what was best and focus on my goal of laying girls, not laying out guys.

After this, I head to my favorite bench to relax, focusing on my breathing. While I am doing this, I notice a commotion down the sidewalk. Basically, a guy is harassing two girls while his friend watches. It quickly gets heated – the girls were probably borderliners as well.

As I hope for the situation to dissipate so I can focus on approaching and not get involved in this, one of the guys SLAPS one of the girls. So I have to get involved in this. I run over, restrain the guy until the police come – he is quite drunk so it’s not that difficult – while the friend runs away. This effectively ends my night as I’m the only witness to an assault, so I’m stuck talking to the police until 3:00 AM.

I wrote up the full field report, but as it’s not entirely seduction related, I’ll put it under a spoiler.

Spoiler: Not Entirely Seduction-Related FR from Saturday Night

Saturday, January 23, 2021
Daygame (Scouting)
Street Nightgame

This free app that I use to track my days away from porn provides a daily quote. A little beam of inspiration.

Once, there was a quote that went something like this.

The easiest way to fail is by not trying again tomorrow.

I appreciate that, pornography addiction app. Really, I do.

It’s easy to become bogged down amidst the slabs of mental weight that this game brings. And I am always so, so hard on myself. That feeling of personal expectation is never fleeting. The monkey on my shoulder, the elephant on my back.

Breathe. Thumb on the sternum, pinkie on the navel. Feeling the expansion.

All good.

Though breathing became something that was so hard to do while daygaming today. Like I wrote at the end of the last entry, my mind was still fixated on the frustrating events of Friday night. I didn’t prepare correctly for this outing… I was MAD. At myself. I can’t be MAD when talking to cute girls. I need to be calm and make give them a heart-warming, mentally stimulating experience. The type they won’t forget. That can’t happen if I’m MAD.

Still, I at least identified a new location for daygaming in addition to composing a solid new outfit that just radiates with the vibe of delivering an RPO in a café or library.

Quickly writing out my field report form the prior night helped me push it away from my brain. Unfortunately, it resulted in me reaching the streets extremely late. Sigh. I make things harder than they need to be sometimes.

It’s okay, however, because I know that I just need one chance to spark a passionate fire. It will have to happen on my old route because that’s about the only place people are still wandering around 1:45 AM.

There’s a huddle of people conglomerated at the street corner where I’ve met many HBs now – including that alternative hottie from yesterday. In the bunch, my eye takes note of a fairly attractive girl leaned against the wall just like how I usually post-up. Carrying on the theme from yesterday, her face holds a perturbed expression.

Spoiler: Approach #1

Me: Hey there, if I were to say, I would say that maybe your night hasn’t been the best so far. Is that right?
HB (very somber): Yep. And I wouldn’t talk to me right now.
*Right on cue, two guys wearing tight t-shirts and garish necklaces walk over, aggressively-charged*
Guy1: I dare you to ask her how she’s doing again.
*I’m thinking, Oh come on, not this again…*
HB: Back off, Guy1. He didn’t mean anything.
Guy1: You trying to move in on my girl?
Me (just tired of this stuff): Imagine this. You’re walking along the sidewalk, head held high, having a nice night. And then all of a sudden, you see a sad-looking girl standing all alone. Wouldn’t you check-in on her?
Guy1: Trying to start something, bro?
Me: See, I’m sure you’ll agree with this… girls have so much pressure on them when they go out. Judgement from friends, creepy guys… it can take an emotional toll. That’s why it’s important to make sure they have a good time instead of a bad time, right? So maybe you should be talking with your girl instead of your “bro.”
Me: Have a wonderful night. Excuse me.
*I walk right in-between Guy1 and his minion, Guy2*
Guy1: Come back here! You’re scared! That’s right, you can’t handle this, bitch!

So I pause my steps for a moment because I really hate that comment. The words of Gunwitch just flow through my head. Win a fight, end up in jail, lose a fight, end up in the hospital.

I don’t intend on throwing punches tonight. That doesn’t get me laid. I keep on walking.

Reaching my favorite nightgame bench, I relax for a moment. Closing my eyes.

Breathe.

Moments later, I hear a voice.

“Hey, fat bitch. You’re so fat nobody wants you. Keep on waddling, fat bitch!”

Opening my eyes, I look to my right and see two guys walking up to two girls about 50 feet away. One girl is large, the other girl is pretty average redhead. One guy is wearing a yellow jacket, the other guy is wearing a black sweatshirt. It doesn’t seem like there’s a reason for the harassment other than her size.

“Hehe bitches, I’ll shove my dick down your throats. Except you, fat bitch, you keep on waddling with your fat ass. I’ll fuck your friend, she’s pretty fine! Waddle away now, fat bitch, you’re so goddamn fat,” the guy in the yellow jacket eloquently continues.

I have one hope. Just have one of the groups walk away. Please.

The large girl responds, “Who you calling fat, you dumbfuck? You keep on moving your virgin ass, you dumb motherfucker. You probably have a little tiny dick, dumbfuck. You’re a fucking pussy, I’ll fuck you up right now.”

Then this mature, completely incessant shouting match continues for a few rounds.

“You wanna go, fat waddling bitch? You can’t fight, you’ll get a heart attack, you fat whore.”

“I’ll put your ass on the ground and then call the cops, dumb motherfucker. I’ll shove my fist down your throat, how about that, you fucking pussy?”

They keep going. Just someone walk away. Come on…

Alas, the yellow jacket guy notices that the redhead is carrying her high-heeled boots in her hands. So he snatches them from her, tossing them through the air onto the other side of the street. Then shoves the girl.

Oh, fuck. Seriously?

With a big, big sigh, I quickly make my way over. I don’t want to have to throw a punch… I don’t need to deal with the cops tonight. I just want to talk to cute girls.

Just as I’m about thirty feet away, the shouting and shoving match amplifies. This yellow jacket guy is very weird, and these girls are very aggressive, too. The redhead says one more thing about his tiny dick… and then he lifts his hand back…

SMACK. Slaps her face.

What. The. Fuck.

I sprint over as things get very heated. These girls are some borderliners, no doubt about that. Also, generally speaking, what the fuck are all of these people doing with their lives.

I jump in the mess with the goal of restraining this guy in the yellow jacket. He’s very, very drunk, so I’m able to do so without too much trouble. The other guy then runs off.

The large girl calls the cops, the guy gets taken by the officers, and I have to hang around the scene until 3:15 AM talking to the police. Now there’s an investigation for assault, and I was the only witness.

So much for not dealing with the cops. So much for just talking to girls.

As for these two girls… yeah, they were crazy. They were defensive, but they said rather off-putting things as well.

For some reason, they call me a “hero” and thank me profusely. Their pretty cute friend, who shows a rather nice amount of chest, comes by the scene to comfort them. She also calls me a “hero” and thanks me profusely.

I don’t understand this. Not at all. I definitely wasn’t a hero in the slightest. First, I didn’t really do much besides restrain a flailing drunk guy. Second, I know that in actuality, maybe the girl wouldn’t have taken an impact to the face if I stepped in sooner.

Truthfully, I’ve questioned myself about this. Was I being wrongly selfish or rightfully risk-averse?

Hmm. Well, whatever their perception of the events was gave me a really amazing social frame. The seducer in me felt a slight inclination to act on it with the cute friend. But the logical brain informed me that this would be very weird, and I don’t want to stick around the scene for hours longer.

After I’m done talking with what seems like the entire police force, I get the hell out of there. The three girls see me walking away, yelling out something about a hero saving them.

So it wasn’t the most productive night.

But another day, another Lofty adventure.

This next week, though, HAS to be about making daygame progress.

I dunno, it’s just kinda thrown me off a little. Add in a few other stress factors from life, and I quickly see that I have to get back on track.

Anyway, on to Wednesday.

A 7:00 AM Covid test makes the start of my day rather unpleasant. Then 8:00 AM class, which also makes the stat of my day unpleasant. And it’s been windy, too, which my hair does not appreciate.

Still, I hope to get in approach in as I transition from class to work. While I walk across campus, I spot a blonde in a pink tracksuit in the distance behind me. I like the look, but it definitely is not standard attire for this part of the country. It gives me the sense that she’s not from around here. I slow down, and she speeds up, presumably because she wants me to talk to her.

She does catch up to me, almost hovering a bit at my side before fiddling with her phone. Cool, that worked out. Plus, we’re just about to be at a crosswalk, so we’ll both stop. Nice, nice.

But the walk signal comes just as we’re both about to stop, with my head simultaneously turning in her direction to open with an RPO about the beautiful campus. But because it was awkward timing with the crosswalk, we both do like a start-stop and keep walking across the street.

And nearly get hit by a bus that ran the red light.

So instead of my beautiful RPO, I just react and this is what happens.

Spoiler: Botched Approach #1

Me: Yeah… getting hit by a bus would not be the best way to start your morning, would it?
HB (taking out her AirPods): I’m sorry, what was that? *My hunch was right – she has a type of either Eastern European or Russian accent*
Me: Getting hit by a bus… now that wouldn’t be the best way to start your morning, would it?
HB: Haha no, definitely not!

Here is where I should have been actively thinking. Directly following this crosswalk, you can either go straight where hardly anyone goes, which is where my workplace is. Or you can go to the right where most go towards a few of the freshman dorms.

The look in her eyes confirms that she wants to continue the conversation. But the thing is that I should have anticipated that she would be taking a right. But after the bus thing altered my opening, I wasn’t calm enough. So she takes a right, expecting me to be going in the same direction, while I take one step too many in the other direction.

This is an incredibly awkward moment. She’s surprised, and I realized that I messed up – if I pivoted to go with her, pretty much all the sprezzatura is lost.

I hesitate while in quick contemplation as she says bye en route to her destination.

Completely botched.

H-O-R-R-I-B-L-E.

It leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, obviously.

After my afternoon class, I hold open the door for a cute, petite blonde that left the classroom right behind me. Actually, I was the first one out of that waste-of-a-time class, and I think I remember seeing her standing up to leave right after I did so. Then she followed me out of the door that I went through instead of the other door closer to her. Hmm.

So, yeah. I go for it as we walk out of the classroom and down the hallway.

Spoiler: Botched Approach #2

Me: Hey there. You know when I was sitting in class, I realized something really interesting. Maybe you’ll relate to this.
HB: Hi! Okay...
Me: Have you ever noticed the feeling… like when you’re sitting in class… and the professor just goes on and on… that you kind of lose your sense of time and place… and your mind tends to drift off to things that are much enjoyable?
HB: Oh yeah! Like daydreaming?
Me: Like daydreaming… yeah, exactly. It’s always interesting what we daydream about, right? It can be a pleasurable moment from the past, or maybe something that we wish would happen.
HB: For sure! So what were you thinking about during that boring lecture?
Me: Oh… well, it was actually pretty fascinating. Because in the past, I always used to daydream about my ex. Like all those nice little moments we had together… basking in each other’s presence, you know? But that’s not what I daydream about anymore.
HB: Oh?
Me: Yeah… the past is the past – it’s time to move on to better things, right? So I just kind of muse about the thrill of adventure… spontaneity... doing things that I wouldn’t usually do… for example, even just taking a nice, relaxing walk around campus after class, feeling the brisk wind brush against my skin and really just feel rejuvenated by the feeling of being FREE and ALIVE, you know?
HB: *blank face*
HB: Yeah!

Awesome. I’ll just tell her to come on a walk with me.

But.

Now we’re just about to reach the point where continue down the hallway or down the staircase.

They do say that history repeats itself.

Redemption time. Fate gave me another chance to lead her down my path.

Then, as I’m about to ask her where she’s headed and that she could come on a walk with me, a feeling of apprehension creeps into my abdomen.

Due to being in the same class, there is no way I could manage an alias. I’ve come to desire full anonymity in my seductions now. As a result, I mentally hesitate while deciding whether or not I should pursue her.

Of course, I keep walking straight, and she turns to go down the staircase. Obviously wanting me to go with her. She says to “have a great night!!!!!!!” and that’s that.

I mismanaged it again. Should’ve done it.

Maybe part of these poor decision-making processes is my irregular sleeping schedule. I’d been awake for almost a full day by that last approach. Definitely having big trouble fixing this sleeping schedule for a number of reasons. But it’s an issue.

Enormously frustrated with myself, I went back to my apartment, fell asleep around 6:00 PM, then woke up around 1:00 AM unable to fall asleep again. So this rigid cycle continues.

Regardless, I need to refocus my mind. I’ve realized I don’t mentally prepare for daygame the same way that I did for street nightgame. With these changes, I think that I’ll be in a much better frame of mind.

Perhaps even one that will lead a happy sleep with a happy girl.