FU Sleepover after sleepover after sleepover

[cruiser]

this is a very difficult topic for new guys. because you need to be able to detect if she is resisting because she likes it when guys destroy her resistance by aggressively manhandling her (to me and BP, this girl to me seems that type. indiction to me was the fake crying bullshit. from one of my earlier LRs:



There will be guys who say never do this. But to me those guys are vaginas worried about false rape accusation (inb4, "heh. ok bud. Wait till it happens to you then you'll see.")

or is she resisting because there is something she believes that is preventing her from fucking you. for me I wanted to handle this first, and if she STILL resists there after, then I know its the first type of resistance, and I will keep going

And what’s this whole thing about the more you push for sex the less she wants it and resists it? She says that a lot so still go for it and push even tho there is LMR ???


I just have this weird feeling I have to not be into her for her to be into me. It’s like getting out of the friend zone
usually I would just forget about her and go out and approach but these times lol.
Anyways

were hanging out tonight again

 

[Velasco]

And what’s this whole thing about the more you push for sex the less she wants it and resists it? She says that a lot so still go for it and push even tho there is LMR ???

what she responds to > what she says

I just have this weird feeling I have to not be into her for her to be into me.

be a piece of shit to her (tease her, push her around playfully), but don't escalate to sex, to create tension. then when she gives you the sign (pay attention to her eyes and body language) that she wants it. go for it, and don't stop (unless she legit is resisting, i.e. "No! Stop! GET OFF ME!")

 

[cruiser]

Alright boys!!!

so I went on a date prior to picking her up.
The date went well. I ended up making out with the chick. And then she went home. But she ghosted me, not worried really I didn’t do anything wrong.

so then I pick her up and we grab sushi. She buys a plan b pill on the way.

anyways I was in a really good mood so I didn’t care but got a little jealous.

we eat sushi I’m doing a lot of takeaways and being a bit of an ass. “ pls don’t do that again“ “wow you’re trouble”

anyways. We go downstairs and start boxing for fun and she’s drinking her beer. She gets a little tipsy and then does 100sit ups and puts her legs around my head.
Bingo I know I’m in there tonight cuz of my energy.

she does 100, and then she lies on my bed and we cuddle and her face gets close to mine and we make out.

ehhh it was okay her lips are too small. Half way through she said she doesn’t like kissing. I did the tease kiss where I give her a little then back off,maybe later I say.

then it’s a little blurt but I try going down on her and unzip her pants but she won’t let me. I looked at Aleks guide but it wasn’t seem to be doing it she was resisting.
so I just lay my head on her vagina with her jeans on. And kiss is from time to time. She said DUDE you can do better! I’m teasing her but she doesn’t like it. Wethen talk

she said you know if we do it tonight or next time, I’d still wanna be really good friends like what if we were open about seeing other people.

(normally id care but idgaf she’s moving in like 10 weeks) I said yeah that sounds perfect!
She said oh really?? I thought you would be mad or get jealous or something. I said nahh I don’t care I’ll tell you about my females...maybe.

so now I’m on her vagina and I’m like hey let’s try something. So I pull out a vibrator I have and turn it on and put on her vagina With jeans. Its her first time so shes Not used to it and it’s too strong for her she says. So we play a little morewith it.
It will feel way better with your jeans off trust me.

“no no it’s like wayyy too much for me”
i push it lightly and I think she doesn’t like or hate it her face looks confused.

so then after like 5 min. She’s like okay. Since you touched mine, let me touch yours.

LOL

she then starts asking me how big it is. I just say why don’t you feel for yourself.
was pretty hot she was just touching it and I got harder and harder. Me: how does it feel?
Her: oh just like a dick but oh are you curved? Interesting”
She does this for like 5 min and then she stops and then says okay wow.

I can’t remember what happens much after this but we both kind of fall asleep. And while we’re sleeping Itouch her onher vagina again.
I tell her yo you gotta take your contacts off. She said nah 5 min. I said nah you’re eyes are gonna melt. Ok 5 min if you touch my dick.
She touches it with my underwear one

but I couldn’t take off her damn jeans.

so I think one thing I did wrong was try to kiss her a bit much, and I don’t think she likes kissing me. So gotta back off a little. Or prep my lips.

so then I drop her off in the morning more cuddling no fucking.

I say aight that was cool I’m kinda busy this week but you said you wanted to hang Wednesday?
She says maybe probably yeah maybe most likely! Well text.

she did some housework for her landlord and then texts me late at night

I’m so tired
I am going to be too tired for Wednesday let’s do the weekend or sometime next week.
I’m working out so instead I just call her cuz I was feeling it. No response so I text aight that’s cool. I was working out so that’s y I called.

I think she’s on her period because of that plan b so that’s why she doesn’t wanna hang Wednesday.

but I really think next time it’s gonna be in there. Wish the kiss was better damn. The kiss I had with the previous girl was good but with her it was alright. Her lips are so small and thin.

thoughts and things to do next time BP and velasco?
Also how do I play hard to get. I think that will turn her on. Can’t wait for next time

 

[Velasco]

I couldn’t take off her damn jeans.

when you guys were going to sleep, "hey hey hey what do you think you're doing? Nobody's allowed to wear pants to sleep in my bed. house rules. hey if you don't like it you can sleep over there (pointing at the floor) (and she might just agree with that condition just to test you, like "ok " all you gotta do is hold strong. then when she sees you don't give a shit, she'll come back on the bed with her jeans off. leaving you easy access to her pussy.

thoughts and things to do next time BP and velasco?

for me its just the pants that are an issue here. best is you have an excuse for her to not wear pants (long time ago I faced a similar problem as you, and I told the chick I was meeting up, that we were going to a really nice restaurant, so she better dress up with a nice dress (we didn't end up going to a nice restaurant), just to give me easy access to her pussy and it worked out. right now, restaurants are closed for dining-in, so we can't use that excuse, but what I'm thinking (and you can come up with your own excuse. Just trying to get you to think is all), you can send her a pic like this

and be like, "hey do you got any dresses like this?" if she asks why? be like, "no i was just watching a movie, and thinking about how much I love it when girls dress all feminine and shit. and how nowadays its getting to be like so rare to meet girls who just really embrace that natural feminine side of themselves. For me personally, girls that wear beautiful dresses like this, are just like in a whole different category in my eyes." - ya know just feeding her a whole bunch of bullshit to make her more likely to wear a dress for our purposes. See if you can think of another way to get her to not wear pants for your next meetup. Otherwise it's gonna be another night of cuddles and struggles taking them denims off

 

[cruiser]

when you guys were going to sleep, "hey hey hey what do you think you're doing? Nobody's allowed to wear pants to sleep in my bed. house rules. hey if you don't like it you can sleep over there (pointing at the floor) (and she might just agree with that condition just to test you, like "ok " all you gotta do is hold strong. then when she sees you don't give a shit, she'll come back on the bed with her jeans off. leaving you easy access to her pussy.

for me its just the pants that are an issue here. best is you have an excuse for her to not wear pants (long time ago I faced a similar problem as you, and I told the chick I was meeting up, that we were going to a really nice restaurant, so she better dress up with a nice dress (we didn't end up going to a nice restaurant), just to give me easy access to her pussy and it worked out. right now, restaurants are closed for dining-in, so we can't use that excuse, but what I'm thinking (and you can come up with your own excuse. Just trying to get you to think is all), you can send her a pic like this

and be like, "hey do you got any dresses like this?" if she asks why? be like, "no i was just watching a movie, and thinking about how much I love it when girls dress all feminine and shit. and how nowadays its getting to be like so rare to meet girls who just really embrace that natural feminine side of themselves. For me personally, girls that wear beautiful dresses like this, are just like in a whole different category in my eyes." - ya know just feeding her a whole bunch of bullshit to make her more likely to wear a dress for our purposes. See if you can think of another way to get her to not wear pants for your next meetup. Otherwise it's gonna be another night of cuddles and struggles taking them denims off

Awesome shit! I’ll try that need to stick to my frame of idgaf.

also how can I make her chase more I don’t really have it down to well.
AND ALSO

when she throws a takeaway how do I handle it?

“idk if this will work out”
“Oh I might have a friend for you”
“I don’t like kissing you”
“Noooo not now”

istruggle to hold my frame here and cave in

thanks bro

 

[Velasco]

how can I make her chase more I don’t really have it down to well.

i think girls chasing me, has more to do with what i don't do than what i do. i'm not needy (don't reciprocate much of anything they do for me, don't initate texts too much (or don't text too much for that matter) and if they push away, I don't chase them. and that makes them chase me. sorry to be vague lol. its more a mindset than a technique.

this is kinda like what Skills alluded to in his corona post

for the first time in my life i was HAPPY to be alone, and learn to be HAPPY being alone with no women... Before that i always needed women in my life....

^ After acquiring this super power, the "i do not give a fuck", the "if you do not like it there is the door" the her knowing that she can walk whenever she wants and will be unfaced skillset that we try under the be "non reactive" be "non needy" became so transparent and real that..... Women became more attached and fell more harder in love with me than ever.... But it was not a "technique" it was real and they new it....

when she throws a takeaway how do I handle it?

“idk if this will work out”
“Oh I might have a friend for you”
“I don’t like kissing you”
“Noooo not now”

the mindset is "everything she says is retarded. and she doesn't actually mean anything she says".

now embrace that mindset and you'll know what to do.

like right now, going down your list of quotes:

"you're probably right"
"is she hot? Let me see (pic)"
"that's cause you don't know how. Here stand still. let me show you (if still resistant: "chill dummy. I'mma teach you how)"
"lmao shut up, dummy"

 

[cruiser]

i think girls chasing me, has more to do with what i don't do than what i do. i'm not needy (don't reciprocate much of anything they do for me, don't initate texts too much (or don't text too much for that matter) and if they push away, I don't chase them. and that makes them chase me. sorry to be vague lol. its more a mindset than a technique.

this is kinda like what Skills alluded to in his corona post



the mindset is "everything she says is retarded. and she doesn't actually mean anything she says".

now embrace that mindset and you'll know what to do.

like right now, going down your list of quotes:

"you're probably right"
"is she hot? Let me see (pic)"
"that's cause you don't know how. Here stand still. let me show you (if still resistant: "chill dummy. I'mma teach you how)"
"lmao shut up, dummy"

Awesome l like that.
I hated how when I was kissing her she said I don’t like kissing you. Made me doubt myself but I’ve been told I’m a good kisser.

 

[cruiser]

Alright so since she cancelled earlier on Wednesday, it is now Wednesday and she texted me
Do you have any plans to go grocery shopping today?

trying to distinguish if she’s testing my lover frame. I think it would hurt my chances of sleeping with her By showing that “friend role” not until I sleep with her I’ll do grocery shopping.
Second thought is maybe she’s trying to say oh wait let’s hang out my bad for cancelling. Yeah let’s do groceries but hang out at yours after? But she hasn’t said that directly.
im thinking tell her
Wow u stalking me? (As a chase frame)
I was going tomorrow.
Plus she might be on her period we don’t know.

 

[Velasco]

yeah she's testing your frame. she canceled? cool you already made plans with someone else. text from that frame.

 

[cruiser]

Alright just an update
So she’s going back to her country in 11 weeks so mid august.

we hung out last Thursday but no escalation she was incredibly tired it was a mood kill, it’s fine tho I’m zen.

then,

so far she’s asked me to do a bunch o small favors for her and I pretty much just said sorry I’m busy hanging with x today.

yesterday she texted me she wanted to me to help her read a new lease and we can grab drinks. Since I turned her down like 3 times before I said okay this looks like a solid reach out. I’m being more and more scarce. So I say yeah I can tonight let’s do it.

I say I pick her up later she agrees.
Then she texts
Hey maybe it’s better I just do it thanks sorry!
Me: oh what u mean
Her: I’ve got rashes All over and I’m temperamental right now. It’s okay
Me: ah okay isn’t it due soon tho?
Her: I’ll do it tonight
Her: next time?
Me: okay btw I ordered mangoes this week and ate them all in one day
Her: oh I still have mangoes for you! They’re all peeled for ur mom
Me: gotcha okay well lmk how it goes I need to get back to working out too much texting

3 hours later so like10:30pm

her: I just finished all my chores now I need to eat and do the papers

I just left it at that.

I think I did well there. I’m being scarce. Less responding to her tasks. She might have truly been agitated and too tired to hang whatever. I think I’m doing fine. I’m in this weird friendzone where she made out with me and touched my dick. But time is running short 11 weeks.

im truly tryna talk to other girls to distract myself from her. Oh I also asked her if shewas interested In coming on a beach trip with my friends. For a weekend. So 11 weeks to break this and get in.

 

[cruiser]

I’m Deff in her radar cuz she’s hooking up with that other guy. And it’s been since February and most casual relationships end after 3 months so this could be good. But then she only has 11 weeks.

 

[cruiser]

Alright boys this might mark the end of the sleepover saga.

got a call from her last night at around 1;30 am. It was pretty normal flirting. I really upped my flirting game.

and then it transcended into this:

her: it would be really cool to just donate sperm as a guy
Me: yeah I see you’re just asking for my sperm here I’ll send you one in a beer bottle and leave it at your front step.
her: ewwww no thanks I’m ok
Me: not from your earlier request
Her: you know. Maybe go give it to one of your other girl friends
Me: not a bad idea!
Some random shit idr
Her: you know life is changing it’s crazy I’ll be gone in a few weeks like I’m so tired of people.
Me: yeah I feel you life’s like that!
her: not you really tho.
Me; oh of course we have a honeymoon to go to we can’t forget that
Her: ha ha.. you know maybe add another guy for me
Me: lmao okay (I didn’t understand what she meant)
Her: you know I’m gonna ask the guy I’m having sex with if he’s seeing another girl, if he is I wanna go in a date with this other guy
Me: oh yeah I totally know what you mean I’ll book the flight tickets to Las Vegas right now haha
Her: oh not you
Me: ah
Her: you know. I don’t feel comfortable doing sexual things with you. I just don’t feel sexually attracted to you. You know I tried.
Me: oh what you mean to u tried?
Her: well we kissed and then I didn’t like it I’m very picky.
Me: hahaha(cries in head)
Her: I’m just not sexually attracted to you! Like I don’t feel good when we cuddle or touch I just want to be friends. Like I like you like a human being.
But just not sexual no.
Me: okay cool I mean I thought you and I get along plus we didn’t really try try yet ya know
Her: no I know I will feel terrible if I fuck you

me: (yikes ego kill) I don’t wanna make you feel uncomfortable it’s okay
Her: I know you won’t have a problem finding other girls. I know if we do it I will feel very uncomfortable and bleh.
Me: okay I gotcha, well if that’s the case I think I might start hanging out with you less and focus on girls that are...but actually I’m kind of seeing someone else right now
Her: then yes! Go for it! we can be friends or not friends it doesn’t matter to me.
Me: we can still be friends but I will be pursuing other things
Her: okay
(And then this next part I totally was like hmmm this might be cringe later but I feel like now is the time and velasco and big papa are gonna be like lmao bro but this is a learning place so pls no judge)

me: ya know that one time you asked me when I felt like a weird heart break?
Her: ya
Me: yeah it was actually a few weeks ago when you told me you were seeing that other guy. But I’ve gotten over it, I’m pretty over you already.
her: ya I could tell. You know I should have told you from the start I’m not interested. But couldn’t you tell? I think you are bad with women. Idk maybe good with American women. But couldn’t you ever tell I was with other guys doing stuff? I mean I was only with 2 guys really.

(damn I’m naive in this situation but It never bothered me she was with other dudes just cuz I wanted to fuck and now I was crushing on her) but now I’m not I’m over it.

she was an attention seeker BUT I followed chases guide article it’s “lobsided relationships”

so there’s that.
Got a girl
Friends
Made out
She didn’t like it
I ended things.

who knows maybe this will progress one day. Whatcha guys think

 

[Velasco]

lol you still my guy, cruiser.

On to the next one.