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alleniverson

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lol. It’s ridiculously easy getting laid in South America compared to USA. Laughable comparison
The majority of girls I've ever had sex with are from the United States and the overwhelming majority of my experience with women is from the United States. My point is that these sorts of ideas - looks meaning so much - affect men's confidence far more in the United States because the propaganda is most extreme there. Looks are important but not the end all be all.
 

Atlas IV

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For what it's worth, the times I've had the most success with women were definitely not when I had the best muscles, clearest skin, best style. It's when I've had the highest momentum.
I know you talked about this in your interview but I'm curious to ask more specifically, what factors do you think contributed to those periods of highest momentum? Was it times in your life where you were killing it in other areas, or specifically when you were on a hot streak with PUA?

Spending so much time in South America has made me realize this too. The amount of super hot chicks with not as attractive guys is wild. I don't know if that's because latin women are less into looks but I imagine it's not - I imagine a lot of it is because men are better able to retain their inner confidence without so much surface-level American brainwashing that American guys are hit with.
I noticed this too. From Colombia to Brazil, everywhere you go you see bombshell Latinas dressed to the nines with average-looking guys in sweatpants and Nikes.

I figured it's gotta be one of three things:
1. Girls there are drawn to macho men with extreme confidence and dominance regardless of looks (perhaps he even intentionally dresses sloppy to show just how confident he is)
2. There's a massive premium on social status, and girls are drawn to the pack leader regardless of how he looks
3. Guys dress well only until they snag a hot girlfriend, then they get lazy while she continues maintaining her appearance

It's definitely a Latin America thing though. In Portugal and Spain, from what I saw guys are much more conscious of their appearance, even dressing to match their girl.
 
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Spike

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My point is that these sorts of ideas - looks meaning so much - affect men's confidence far more in the United States because the propaganda is most extreme there
My friend thats the whole point. The propaganda is good. Im saying that you should use it to your advantage because it will make things a whole lot easier
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Maximizing your looks (the right way) (which again also includes style) is an extremely powerful hack to get attraction. Yet here in 2025, we are still talking about body rocking and 3 second rule
 

alleniverson

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My friend thats the whole point. The propaganda is good. Im saying that you should use it to your advantage because it will make things a whole lot easier
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Maximizing your looks (the right way) (which again also includes style) is an extremely powerful hack to get attraction. Yet here in 2025, we are still talking about body rocking and 3 second rule
Bro are you trolling. Lol. Upon reviewing your posts you are mid 30s, have pink hair, and game college girls in a remote college town. Sure, having a polarized look can be affective - I’m not sure where you got the idea that looking like a cotton candy vampire is the female fantasy, if it’s working for you more power to you - but it’s impossible to prove someone with your kind of belief wrong. I’m glad it’s working for you but you don’t know if it’s the confidence you’re gaining from your delusion is what’s generating your results. A change in the color of your jeans are not going to make the difference but maybe the confidence you gain from thinking they will might.

I’m just telling you what I’ve seen with my own eyes having traveled and gamed all over the world. Some guys think it’s style. Some think it’s money. Some think it’s muscles. They have one they think is the end all be all. At the end of the day it’s your ability to communicate. Once again, fundamentals are massively important. Looks are important. If you’re advocating for the improvement of fundamentals and looks while still talking to girls, not shutting down your socialization, then I’m with you 100%. But I’ll also say that based upon your posts I’ve seen and your obsession with looks and screening, as well as making comments like you never get strong rejections, I’d say that your unwillingness to put your ego at risk is causing you to drink your own koolaid a little bit in your analysis of game. It’s kind of reading along the lines of, I’m not going to approach girls who aren’t already giving me massive IOIs but I wouldn’t have gotten them ANYWAYS. You’re trying to convince yourself you’re not missing out on anything. You own avoidance mindset is apparent through the beliefs you espouse and what you focus on. But you are missing out on a ton of pussy because of this, I’m sure. Most of the true 9s I’ve fucked never gave me an IOI before I approached them.

In regards to these tweets you’ve posted… I just don’t now what to say. Who the fuck is this guy lmao. Oftentimes Americans in nonsocial cities - if I had to guess you’re living in some cold college down in the northeast or something - have beliefs about women that aren’t grounded in a life full of lots of socializing in many different ways. Due to the nature of where you live you don’t have the access to it. I do not know anyone who has constant exposure to a variety of social situations day to day and who also slays pussy that would draw the conclusions you’re drawing.

@Atlas IV

I’d lean more towards number one. I think because the culture is so social, warm, communicating, that people are engaging with each intensely off the bat and when that happens game and dominance wins out and from afar type fundamentals matter less. Style seems to play more of a role in more “cold” societies. In Latin America people are seeing eachother in front of eachother, as who they are, and true dominance wins out. The rest isn’t as important. Maybe there’s a correlation between the importance of style and how aloof a society is. I’m not really sure.

My periods of highest momentum have been with I’ve been having the most fun in life and doin the most overall socializing with friends, partying, everything. The times I’ve been the most overall social have been the times I’ve had the most momentum with women. Social momentum that helps with sexual momentum doesn’t have to be cultivated only through taking shots with women. It can be born from socializing across the board.
 

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Who the fuck is this guy lmao.

A dude who approaches 30 girls a day who posted from time to time a couple of years back.


I’d lean more towards number one. I think because the culture is so social, warm, communicating, that people are engaging with each intensely off the bat and when that happens game and dominance wins out and from afar type fundamentals matter less. Style seems to play more of a role in more “cold” societies. In Latin America people are seeing eachother in front of eachother, as who they are, and true dominance wins out. The rest isn’t as important. Maybe there’s a correlation between the importance of style and how aloof a society is. I’m not really sure.

That paragraph is absolute gold, man!

EDIT: The rest of your post as well, btw. (y)(y)
 

Spike

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you don’t know if it’s the confidence you’re gaining from your delusion is what’s generating your results.
It’s not. My results are a direct result of my looks. If you read my reports, there is really nothing special I do game wise to get hot girls. Because of amount of work I’ve put towards my overall look.
Most of the true 9s I’ve fucked never gave me an IOI before I approached them
And what does that have to do with me? That’s on you lol.
if I had to guess you’re living in some cold college down in the northeast or something - have beliefs about women that aren’t grounded in a life full of lots of socializing in many different ways
The college town I live in is mainly made up of girls that grew up in manhattan (like some of the girls I’m seeing) or from rich parents in Long Island. Who I’m sure had plenty of time socializing in many different ways with all sorts of people from different backgrounds..
I do not know anyone who has constant exposure to a variety of social situations day to day and who also slays pussy that would draw the conclusions you’re drawing
That’s fine lol. Can either field test for yourself or if your comfortable with the girls you get, you don’t have to listen to me.
 

Spike

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Out of curiosity @alleniverson

how many girls did you bang in the USA between 2024-25?

Their age? Looks?

Thanks in advance.
 

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Spike and iverson are kinda of saying similar....

Spike is going for the genz college girls in clubs, night game in usa...

those girls are in groups and social his game is to peacock with fundamentals to go from social to more of a dtf guy... He does that by imitating tiktok/ insta guys that girls are drooling over for target age 18-21 ... He is field tested btw... Is just the way he comes across all fucked up... Though he has gotten better...

Allen is telling op, as well as me and chase, atlas, don't take a break is retarded keep gaming, be more detailed on your reports and at the mean time if you want improve fundamentals...

Actually he did, and got laid just lol...

Anyways happy ending...

You can be the top guys with fundamentals and not get laid we all see that lack of vibe and screwing up...

You can have all the game in the world you go to a gen z girl in a club with muscles and money and right commication wearing tight shit lower odds... You can laid her More work...

That is what Spike saying in usa night game
 
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alleniverson

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Out of curiosity @alleniverson

how many girls did you bang in the USA between 2024-25?

Their age? Looks?

Thanks in advance.
Different strokes for different folks my brotha. I've only spent a week in the states in 2025 and banged nobody new. In 2024 I spent about 7 months total in the USA and banged 21 girls during that time. Lots of 7s, a couple 6s, 1 5, and quite a few 8s including 2 that some would consider a 9 but I can't confidently proclaim are 9s. Average age probably 25.
 
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Spike

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Different strokes for different folks my brotha. I've only spent a week in the states in 2025 and banged nobody new. In 2024 I spent about 7 months total in the USA and banged 21 girls during that time. Lots of 7s, a couple 6s, 1 5, and quite a few 8s including 2 that some would consider a 9 but I can't confidently proclaim are 9s. Average age probably 25.
That explains the disconnect. Thank you
 

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Sigh… if no one else says it, I’ll call out the elephant in the room:

1. Spike a.k.a Velasco joins the forum

2. he writes field-tested useful posts

3. he (overly) obsesses on looks but we let it slide because of point 2

4. His looks over everything gets traction from newer guys

5. More experienced guys call it out and share nuance of game req.

**we’re here**

6. Spelasco (for reasons I don’t get) ends up warring h the forum

7. Steps 2-6 circle and repeat until he gets banned

8. He re- joins in 6-36 months

cycle begins again.

I’ll link to post when the cycle plays out (again).
 

topcat

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Sigh… if no one else says it, I’ll call out the elephant in the room:

1. Spike a.k.a Velasco joins the forum

2. he writes field-tested useful posts

3. he (overly) obsesses on looks but we let it slide because of point 2

4. His looks over everything gets traction from newer guys

5. More experienced guys call it out and share nuance of game req.

**we’re here**

6. Spelasco (for reasons I don’t get) ends up warring h the forum

7. Steps 2-6 circle and repeat until he gets banned

8. He re- joins in 6-36 months

cycle begins again.

I’ll link to post when the cycle plays out (again).
And all of this drawn out of cope for his utter fear of approaching..

It was piss drunk before. That led to prison time so it’s peacockmaxx now.

What will this next incarnation be..

Let’s see 👀
 

isildur1

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The majority of girls I've ever had sex with are from the United States and the overwhelming majority of my experience with women is from the United States. My point is that these sorts of ideas - looks meaning so much - affect men's confidence far more in the United States because the propaganda is most extreme there. Looks are important but not the end all be all.
I found women from the United States pretty easy for hook ups as a Brit

But I found maintaining long term stability and relationships with them really hard compared to East Asians . American women would get upset and complain about alot more things from my experience on average not sure if others share the same view

I never saw Americans as good long term dating prospects despite some of the most attractive women I’ve been with being from there
 

alleniverson

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put simply. We’re not targeting the same demographic. The average age of the girls I’m banging is 19
So basically it sounds like you’re just specializing on banging college freshmen and sophomores in your New York / CT / NJ college town. I mean if 19 is your average you’re not even going for the upperclassmen. Bro wtf lol? Like I’m happy you have a true niche you’re happy with but likeeeee I hope everyone sees this for what it is. Peculiar. And not representative of ass-getting a whole.
 

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I found women from the United States pretty easy for hook ups as a Brit

For some reason australian accents and brit accents do very well in USA...

But I found maintaining long term stability and relationships with them really hard compared to East Asians . American women would get upset and complain about alot more things from my experience on average not sure if others share the same view
They shit test a lot during relationships to test boundaries, if you early on don't handle correctly you are fucked.... but i think that is women in general.... Since i am not attracted to Asians, i would not know if they do this (i assume they probably do they are women)

I never saw Americans as good long term dating prospects despite some of the most attractive women I’ve been with being from there

there are billions of women in USA, from all backghrounds, even the white anglo europaean decendents can make good long term prospects if you have good relationship skillls....

I personally have dated Latin, European white, black, and American born whites.... i tend to prefer the American white girls, cause i find them they bother me the least (least drama)....

But it depends what you are looking for, if you want kids, and girl that coocks and clean and stays home i probably try a different race in general...
 

Spike

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So basically it sounds like you’re just specializing on banging college freshmen and sophomores in your New York / CT / NJ college town
Yeah. And there’s a world of difference between what an 18 year old girl is attracted to and will sleep with vs what a 25 year old girl is attracted to and will sleep with. Which is why I always stress target demographic. None of what I say is for those targeting the 25+ year old demographic. Simple.
 

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Yeah. And there’s a world of difference between what an 18 year old girl is attracted to and will sleep with vs what a 25 year old girl is attracted to and will sleep with. Which is why I always stress target demographic. None of what I say is for those targeting the 25+ year old demographic. Simple.

Why don't you make that clear in your posts? Would save a lot of headache and arguing. It's gonna be pretty rare on the forums to have guys aiming only for 18/19 year olds. Most people are speaking from a principles-based perspective, about what works across the board.

I don't select for girls of any particular age myself, so I can't really say if or what kind of special techniques you'd need if those younger girls are the only ones you're targeting. Although if you are a guy in your 30s (as I believe was pointed out earlier in the thread, correct me if I'm wrong!) commonality is probably going to be an obstacle, and leaning hard on coming across as super trendy and fashionable will probably help overcome that, to some extent.

Personally as a mid thirties guy myself, I could never do that, I much prefer to have my own style and learn the skills that work for all women, and I don't mind a girls age until it gets into the 30s.
 
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