The age old question: should you wait for IOI's or not?

[RedNeck]

I am kind of torn. I approached some girls who had not given me any IOI's before the approach and I had success. At the same time, I am thinking if she is interested she would at least give the double-glance.

I want to hear your thoughts and the reasons behind them please?

Thanks

 

[Ambiance]

Chase recently wrote a wonderful article addressing the phenomenon: https://www.girlschase.com/article/how-test-girls-interest-you-approach-pinging

Essentially, approaching a girl who has not noticed you or has not shown any interest is a low-odds move. But it might be worth doing since it takes LOTS of experience to pick up on some of the ways girls display interest/invitations since they are often so subtle. Err on the side of false negatives, if you will. Often you’ll approach a girl and not even know she spurred you into approaching by doing something like playing with her hair or sitting near you, etc.

The article also gives you a way to fish for an invitation/display of interest, which can be a game-changer if the girl legitimately hasn’t noticed you, or perhaps becomes intrigued by your confidence and social attuning.

 

[DarkKnight]

Yes do aproach, but do an indirect opener and if girl was not aware of you, you can re engage when you get good signs

Waiting for IOIs also does bad things for you, like girls who definitely do like you but end up having boyfriends or some sort of FSC. I vented some time ago about a girl who gave heavy AIs but turned out having a boyfriend. Ironically by interacting with her I got other more beautiful womens interest who were offended that I gave that girl my attention and got great hooks. But I wasted an hour on the approach invitation girl what really irked me and for me that was the end of it. From now on AIs do not matter and not seen as golden deals.

I believe this happened due to heavily increases fundies which start to also draw in false positives. I recall a time when I was less developed I got more sincere AIs.

So for me, only thing that matters is logistics and whether I like the girl

Ofcourse when I get heavy signs of disinteresr or purposely closed body language I steer away, it is still a matter of calibration.

Also there are girls who did not consider you yet because you didnt engage them but after you do they start seeing you as a person and that there is potential. This can some take some time though some broads took 4 months after I opened them who suddebly decided they really really like me and hot ones at that.

 

[Higher]

From now on AIs do not matter and not seen as golden deals.

Yeah, i started caring less about IOIs too recently. I def take on the opportunity if i notice them, but i no longer see them as a deciding factor. I guess im mostly on the lookout for "fuck off" signs -- although i might approach nonetheless.

I guess part of the reason is that this is womens game. They learn to give signs and what kinda reactions they get. I can imagine some women would give off signs just for the sake of training.

 

[DarkKnight]

I guess part of the reason is that this is womens game. They learn to give signs and what kinda reactions they get.

This also you get the types who display girl game while some timid nice girl doesnt dare to look your way

 

[Derek da man]

I can imagine some women would give off signs just for the sake of training.

Personally I don't think girls are that logical to do it for "training". Girls have an inner need for attention, possibly due to insecurity or possibly as that's they way they are programmed to be competitive with other females around. Consequently they often give off signals of interest to attract attention but the quickly decide that they are less interested.

 

[DarkKnight]

Consequently they often give off signals of interest to attract attention but the quickly decide that they are less interested.

I screen them out by giving them a sceptical look like they did a social faux pas, because they in a way did. Functions well as a takeaway and then they start doubting if they made a mistake

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

IMO, This question is not age old in the PUA community, just the general population.

The answer is always...

COLD APPROACH.

Period.

Resting bitch face?
Chilling with a bunch of bald headed Serbian MMA goons?
Everyone in her contingent is rainbow flag waving LGBTQIA+?
Carrying a bunch of stuff trying to get through the doors?
On her way to an important interview?
Clearly yelling at someone in anger?
A little bit strung out on heroin?
In a hostage situation with guns trained on her?
Standing by herself at a bar in Bangkok? Trying to elicit attention of every man that passes by?
With her fiance at the altar?
Crying over the casket of her dead husband?
Sobbing about her child in ICU?

The answer is the same every time,

COLD APPROACH.

 

[Atlas IV]

IMO, This question is not age old in the PUA community, just the general population.

The answer is always...

COLD APPROACH.

Period.

Resting bitch face?
Chilling with a bunch of bald headed Serbian MMA goons?
Everyone in her contingent is rainbow flag waving LGBTQIA+?
Carrying a bunch of stuff trying to get through the doors?
On her way to an important interview?
Clearly yelling at someone in anger?
A little bit strung out on heroin?
In a hostage situation with guns trained on her?
Standing by herself at a bar in Bangkok? Trying to elicit attention of every man that passes by?
With her fiance at the altar?
Crying over the casket of her dead husband?
Sobbing about her child in ICU?

The answer is the same every time,

COLD APPROACH.

I need to print out this comment and frame it on my wall!

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

I'm guessing this is a meme about the captain save-a-Ho phenomenon, right? But who's the girl? I don't get it.

 

[Kvothe]

I'm guessing this is a meme about the captain save-a-Ho phenomenon, right? But who's the girl? I don't get it.

It's a character from the show, "The Boys". It's actually pretty fun of a show.

Regarding IOIs, I'm starting to reach the point where I can trust my gut to know when a girl will be interested. I'm still erring on the side of false negatives, so I still need to approach girls who I don't notice IOIs for, to improve that, but my false positive rate has gone down.

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

I am kind of torn. I approached some girls who had not given me any IOI's before the approach and I had success. At the same time, I am thinking if she is interested she would at least give the double-glance.

I want to hear your thoughts and the reasons behind them please?

Thanks

For reference - I have 3 figure lays from game... if I had waited for IOIs before approaching I would either have less than 10 lays all my life, or I would have had my lays with a much lower quality of girls.

The kind of girls I like don't give me a double take just because of the way I look. I have to talk to them and chat them up... then once they get to know me for a while, they start to think I'm interesting, charming, funny, confident, charismatic, wonderful.

Don't wait for IOI, that is some bullshit hoax. More than 90% of my lays had no IOIs prior... possibly more than 95%.