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TLDR: When I look at guys who efficiently get results (10+ lays a year) in major cities they all do this:

> Use apps or social media as their sole or supplementary way to get girls

> Excel at nightgame if they don't use apps

I've yet to see an exception across naturals, guys from this forum, PUAs etc.

1. Why does the community focus so much on daygame and look down on other avenues?

2. How many women did you sleep with this year and how did you meet them?


I'll go first: x25 - x2 Daygame / x11 Nightgame / x13 Online

Want replies to answer both the above questions... No keyboard jockeys please and thank you.

Longer version:


I think the leaning towards nightgame and online is natural because it gives some of the easiest return on investment to effort vs daygame.

A girl stranger hitting you up to spontaneously come over? Very possible on apps

A girl stranger throwing herself at you at a club? Again happens in nightgame

That's happens less in daygame & also came to the conclusion that Women are women as I've found BPD girls through daygame and wifey material through apps.

Why do I bring this up?

This community seems tunnel visioned on daygame (and always recommend it to beginners) even though I think it's probably has one of the lowest reward to effort ratios and the "quality" isn't guaranteed to be better...

Am I just coping for my lack of results?

Nope been with x13 girls from daygame, x15 nightgame and x35 online and a few from social media/social circle.

What gives... Why hasn't the community caught up with the times?
 
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To answer your question, though i made a post and video saying all this:

1.- the reason is cause night game is taxing, a lot of the guys don't want to do night game again is really taxing, plus most can not game sober or without substances, finally a lot of the main popular guys in the community don't enjoy night game anymore.... Therefore they have to create all type of rationalization and frames...... A lot of guys don't enjoy the loud music, and night game can be expensive for some. About online is not master properly guys get shadow banned or profiled by apps and only match with the apps perception based on their programing with trash... apps think they are 5 only matched them with 5 or lower.... They also think apps is tinder with is as of now the worst for the majority of people... And a lot of the ogs don't put emphasis on looks they don't look that good anymore.

Also you are taking USA and England. Again latin america day game super efficient in most countries...


- in Nigh game and online you will have a lot of competition that you will not have in day game.... Most won't be able to deal with the lack of results to get any success due to lack of success.... Day game may give the illusion of progress to some...A lot of girls will flirt and give number, and even respond a bit, but no dick in pussy...

2.- your numbers are good for a dude that totally retired a year ago and for this generation....


P.s.

the son i never had, i have been screaming from years(since the apps came up and night game went to shit) the recipe for success now a days: start with day game to kill approach anxiety, switch to night game...

Combine either night game with online

or day game with online....

I would stay away from social media though is the least efficient....

obviously the best is night combine with online and go about your day day game, going about your day, day game means once in a blue moon, (about 3-5 times a year) you see that girl that you get your heart pounding you are able to approach when you see her during the day...(i disagree with the social media stuff highly inefficient), going about your day day game also inefficient but again every once in a blue moon needed.


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Nice post and I'll weigh in a few things.
Sinn said back then that online was the easiest form of game and will get you laid the most which is definitely true.

I also agree with your observation that night game and online produces the best and most results

1) Surprisingly, my observation is the opposite of yours. A lot of the community in my experience is focused on night game. Lay reports... courses etc... most models, techniques i have come across are usually for night game. Most infield breakdowns I've seen are night game. Most Marketing material/promises goes along the lines of "imagine going out every night and pulling a girl home" For me, there's little packaged models or materials for daygame (which is my preferred method) i think the appeal to day game is because of the variety. You can apply it different venues: street, mall, cafes, banks, schools, buses etc


2) i hardly go to clubs these days. Most of my lays are from college which is ridiculously easier than in cities. 34. 2 night game 21 daygame 11 online


Today, online is WAY more relevant than it was. Like way way more so i agree with majority of the community not catching up. I also feel day game would be powerful to focus on because in many countries girls hardly get approached during the day. And daygame skills is very important to have. I personally don't think the community in general does a good enough job on this because day game is very efficient if you know what you're doing
 

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If you go only by numbers, daygame is the least efficient.
If you factor the quality of the women you meet, that’s a different story.

It really depended on what you are looking to maximize.
If you want the most lays and don’t care much for keeping the girls around for relationships… yeah, got for nightgame + apps.
 

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Nice post and I'll weigh in a few things.
Sinn said back then that online was the easiest form of game and will get you laid the most which is definitely true.

I also agree with your observation that night game and online produces the best and most results

1) Surprisingly, my observation is the opposite of yours. A lot of the community in my experience is focused on night game. Lay reports... courses etc... most models, techniques i have come across are usually for night game. Most infield breakdowns I've seen are night game. Most Marketing material/promises goes along the lines of "imagine going out every night and pulling a girl home" For me, there's little packaged models or materials for daygame (which is my preferred method) i think the appeal to day game is because of the variety. You can apply it different venues: street, mall, cafes, banks, schools, buses etc


2) i hardly go to clubs these days. Most of my lays are from college which is ridiculously easier than in cities. 34. 2 night game 21 daygame 11 online


Today, online is WAY more relevant than it was. Like way way more so i agree with majority of the community not catching up. I also feel day game would be powerful to focus on because in many countries girls hardly get approached during the day. And daygame skills is very important to have. I personally don't think the community in general does a good enough job on this because day game is very efficient if you know what you're doing


Yeah that is another thing, people project, for example you found and angle that is working for you "college day game"..... good numbers cross gaming, even though you hardly go to clubs...
 
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To answer your question, though i made a post and video saying all this:

1.- the reason is cause night game is taxing, a lot of the guys don't want to do night game again is really taxing, plus most can not game sober or without substances, finally a lot of the main popular guys in the community don't enjoy night game anymore.... Therefore they have to create all type of rationalization and frames...... A lot of guys don't enjoy the loud music, and night game can be expensive for some. About online is not master properly guys get shadow banned or profiled by apps and only match with the apps perception based on their programing with trash... apps think they are 5 only matched them with 5 or lower.... They also think apps is tinder with is as of now the worst for the majority of people... And a lot of the ogs don't put emphasis on looks they don't look that good anymore.

Also you are taking USA and England. Again latin america day game super efficient in most countries...


- in Nigh game and online you will have a lot of competition that you will not have in day game.... Most won't be able to deal with the lack of results to get any success due to lack of success.... Day game may give the illusion of progress to some...A lot of girls will flirt and give number, and even respond a bit, but no dick in pussy...

2.- your numbers are good for a dude that totally retired a year ago and for this generation....


P.s.

the son i never had, i have been screaming from years(since the apps came up and night game went to shit) the recipe for success now a days: start with day game to kill approach anxiety, switch to night game...

Combine either night game with online

or day game with online....

I would stay away from social media though is the least efficient....

obviously the best is night combine with online and go about your day day game, going about your day, day game means once in a blue moon, (about 3-5 times a year) you see that girl that you get your heart pounding you are able to approach when you see her during the day...(i disagree with the social media stuff highly inefficient), going about your day day game also inefficient but again every once in a blue moon needed.


here:


Yeah... you're right. day game is definitely the least competitive.(at least from a numbers perspective) You can be the only guy to approach a hot girl in a day or possibly a weak.


For online while the competition is higher from a numbers perspective, not so much for quality. I've had girls say "i wish guys were more like you" usually complaining about boring texts, being needy and thirsty, not doing anything after getting their numbers. Etc. It's so bad that I've pulled two girls from tinder without having a profile pic of myself (just a random stock photo which they knew it was)...

Online it's: Pictures, Profile, Texting skills(Shout out to you with help on this)
 
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1x daygame 24x online

Daygame goes most against what is socially acceptable thus appears more impressive. Online the opposite. Besides differences in front end and the venue specific filtering of online. No difference.

As @Skills says “women are women”.

Online is god for convenience and volume.
 
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Thanks for all your contributions.

night game again is really taxing, plus most can not game sober or without substances,

Think that's part of my issue with the community. Lack of solutions on the different avenues. Nightgame is a lot more sustainable if you go sober and I personally add cut off times that if I don't pull a girl home by 1am I just go home to ensure I get sleep and don't ruin my sleeping cycle.

The only guys I remember talking about these sorts of things were old school RSD. Other tips even included wearing ear plugs to reduce noise damage too lol.
A lot of guys don't enjoy the loud music, and night game can be expensive for some.

Again community doesn't talk about solutions. Lounge bars and cocktail bars aren't loud and if you order soda water lime you blend in and you can spend $20 for the whole night (including the uber home with a girl).

By the way I know water is wet and you'll agree with this. Just sharing for other benefits who read it.

About online is not master properly guys get shadow banned or profiled by apps and only match with the apps perception based on their programing with trash... apps think they are 5 only matched them with 5 or lower....

Very true... I've never heard the guys that have mastered online and got results complain about it.

Also you are taking USA and England. Again latin america day game super efficient in most countries...

This makes sense. My experience is mostly the west so I'm responding to my environment.

Most won't be able to deal with the lack of results to get any success due to lack of success.... Day game may give the illusion of progress to some...A lot of girls will flirt and give number, and even respond a bit, but no dick in pussy...

Never thought about this but 100% true too. I think the "learning curve" of daygame is more enjoyable even with less results sex wise.
the son i never had, i have been screaming from years(since the apps came up and night game went to shit) the recipe for success now a days: start with day game to kill approach anxiety, switch to night game...

Hahah my man.. Completely agree with this. I did this naturally where I went from daygame/social circle/house parties in my teenage years that transitioned me nicely into nightgame.
I would stay away from social media though is the least efficient....

Me too... I mentioned it because I've seen naturals in my circle pull this off successfully. They're cross gamers though and it's only x1 way they get girls they're also "semi-famous" and have been on low level TV shows so have followers/social proof. Usually done in combo with online.

obviously the best is night combine with online and go about your day day game,

Exactly - I think the community would be more relevant and helpful if they focused on this....

Surprisingly, my observation is the opposite of yours. A lot of the community in my experience is focused on night game.

You raise a great point here man. Think I'm in a SS forum Bubble where the unspoken rule is daygame is king.

Most of my lays are from college which is ridiculously easier than in cities. 34. 2 night game 21 daygame 11 online

Top tier stats, you're killing it. My only respectful challenge is that college is a temporary phase of people's lives... When working the game/dynamics shift but you've recognized that by saying it's "easier"... Which I don't think it is by the way give yourself credit ;) just different.


I also feel day game would be powerful to focus on because in many countries girls hardly get approached during the day

Honestly I think this is a community fantasy. I've laid girls from daygame who've literally said you were the third guy who approached me this week lol. They liked my approach because "I seemed normal" which is womanese for established good social frames before escalating.

The really attractive girls are being hit on especially in cities that attract more confident go-getter guys.

Doesn't mean those guys are doing a good job though.

I personally don't think the community in general does a good enough job on this because day game is very efficient if you know what you're doing

Agreed. Would love to see more of a focus on fitting in daygame into your everyday life to maximise results to effort. I could be missing something though! I know @Hector Papi Castillo got a paid course on that topic and I haven't reviewed it.

daygame goes most against what is socially acceptable those appears more impressive. Online the opposite. Besides differences in front end and the venue specific filtering of online. No difference.

Exactly. Think the community focuses on daygame more for uniqueness points vs girls results...

I will concede though looks wise girls I've met offline were more attractive but that's because I saw them in person first (duh) lol... When it comes to quality of personality? Avenue of where you met the girl is not a predictor by any means.

Online is god for convenience and volume.

Amen it has its purpose

If you go only by numbers, daygame is the least efficient.
If you factor the quality of the women you meet, that’s a different story.

Last year I would of agreed with you but now I disagree. Why?

When I sat down and looked at the girls I slept with then thought about who'd treat me well as a good gf (I'm weird & track this stuff)

There was no medium that had a higher % of "relationship worthy" girls.

My only concession is girls I met offline (either daygame or nightgame) were more likely to be hotter but that's only because I've seen them in person first.

I've literally met drug loving cluster B girls from daygame and virgins from apps... Women are women
 
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Yeah... you're day game is definitely the least competitive.(at least from a numbers perspective) You can be the only guy to approach a hot girl in a day or possibly a weak.


For online while the competition is higher from a numbers perspective, not so much for quality. I've had girls say "i wish guys are more like you" usually complaining about boring texts, being needy and thirsty, not doing anything after getting their numbers. Etc. It's so bad that I've pulled two girls from tinder without having a profile pic of myself (just a random stock photo which they knew it was)...

Online it's: Pictures, Profile, Texting skills(Shout out to you with help on this)

Yeah... you're day game is definitely the least competitive.(at least from a numbers perspective) You can be the only guy to approach a hot girl in a day or possibly a weak.


For online while the competition is higher from a numbers perspective, not so much for quality. I've had girls say "i wish guys were more like you" usually complaining about boring texts, being needy and thirsty, not doing anything after getting their numbers. Etc. It's so bad that I've pulled two girls from tinder without having a profile pic of myself (just a random stock photo which they knew it was)...

Online it's: Pictures, Profile, Texting skills(Shout out to you with help on this)

Thanks for all your contributions.



Think that's part of my issue with the community. Lack of solutions on the different avenues. Nightgame is a lot more sustainable if you go sober and I personally add cut off times that if I don't pull a girl home by 1am I just go home to ensure I get sleep and don't ruin my sleeping cycle.

The only guys I remember talking about these sorts of things were old school RSD. Other tips even included wearing ear plugs to reduce noise damage too lol.


Again community doesn't talk about solutions. Lounge bars and cocktail bars aren't loud and if you order soda water lime you blend in and you can spend $20 for the whole night (including the uber home with a girl).

By the way I know water is wet and you'll agree with this. Just sharing for other benefits who read it.



Very true... I've never heard the guys that have mastered online and got results complain about it.



This makes sense. My experience is mostly the west so I'm responding to my environment.



Never thought about this but 100% true too. I think the "learning curve" of daygame is more enjoyable even with less results sex wise.


Hahah my man.. Completely agree with this. I did this naturally where I went from daygame/social circle/house parties in my teenage years that transitioned me nicely into nightgame.


Me too... I mentioned it because I've seen naturals in my circle pull this off successfully. They're cross gamers though and it's only x1 way they get girls they're also "semi-famous" and have been on low level TV shows so have followers/social proof. Usually done in combo with online.



Exactly - I think the community would be more relevant and helpful if they focused on this....



You raise a great point here man. Think I'm in a SS forum Bubble where the unspoken rule is daygame is king.



Top tier stats, you're killing it. My only respectful challenge is that college is a temporary phase of people's lives... When working the game/dynamics shift but you've recognized that by saying it's "easier"... Which I don't think it is by the way give yourself credit ;) just different.




Honestly I think this is a community fantasy. I've laid girls from daygame who've literally said you were the third guy who approached me this week lol. They liked my approach because "I seemed normal" which is womanese for established good social frames before escalating.

The really attractive girls are being hit on especially in cities that attract more confident go-getter guys.

Doesn't mean those guys are doing a good job though.



Agreed. Would love to see more of a focus on fitting in daygame into your everyday life to maximise results to effort. I could be missing something though! I know @Hector Papi Castillo got a paid course on that topic and I haven't reviewed it.



Exactly. Think the community focuses on daygame more for uniqueness points vs girls results...

I will concede though looks wise girls I've met offline were more attractive but that's because I saw them in person first (duh) lol... When it comes to quality of personality? Avenue of where you met the girl is not a predictor by any means.



Amen it has its purpose



Last year I would of agreed with you but now I disagree. Why?

When I sat down and looked at the girls I slept with then thought about who'd treat me well as a good gf (I'm weird & track this stuff)

There was no medium that had a higher % of "relationship worthy" girls.

My only concession is girls I met offline (either daygame or nightgame) were more likely to be hotter but that's only because I've seen them in person first.

I've literally met drug loving cluster B girls from daygame and virgins from apps... Women are women
Your point about "especially in cities with more confident go getter guys" probably explains your view

Most cities aren't really like that. So it's common to find hot girls going days without a guy approaching them... i think @Chase wrote about where he said hot girls rarely get approached.

And in my experience that has been the case... the mentality that men have today of "she's so fine... she's probably taken" also proves it.

But yeah, if it's in cities where confident guys go to you'd probably see an increase in approaches. But majority of cities arent that way... so depends on how you look at it

And about the college thing, i transferred to a new college and it's been a breeze... girls are way more receptive... etc... so i do think it's easier and yes it has a different dynamic...

Yeah Daygame really needs more packaged detailed courses out there not just here but in the entire community
 

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Yeah Daygame really needs more packaged detailed courses out there not just here but in the entire community
Todd used to have a daygame course back in his RSD days, but it's under legal dispute now. However you can find it on YouTube

I've especially found that content on *college* game is extremely rare except for Papi articles/videos and the 'College Game Manifesto' by Todd. It really feels like I'm in uncharted waters since I do a lot of campus daygame as a non-student. I've probably maybe seen only ONE other guy cold approaching on these campuses.

Never thought about this but 100% true too. I think the "learning curve" of daygame is more enjoyable even with less results sex wise.
I agree that it has been fun enough for me, even as a beginner who has only gotten ghosty numbers and 0 dates from 70 approaches. I keep coming back for more despite not getting any results yet. It's because I enjoy the game for the game itself and believe that if I continue, I'll start getting dates. My endgame once I've had my 'fun' is to find wife material, which I doubt I'll get from online apps or nightgame.
 

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Think I'm in a SS forum Bubble where the unspoken rule is daygame is king.
DWW my guy...

I did a forum search for "daygame is king" and the only results that came back were from YOU in your post titled "Lockdown or not Daygame is King" and then a comment from Ree in 2019...


I know you only have good intentions with this... but you were the one to actually speak that one out. So that specific premise is a bit silly 😅

And I understand your thinking may have changed, which actually supports my following points about the diversity of thought and empiricism on the forum vs "daygame tunnel vision."

Because from my perspective too, I don't think it's truly an unspoken thing on this forum either you know?

I'd actually say that the diversity in thought/empiricism regarding different gaming types, styles , etc., has been a major advantage of SS over everywhere else in the community. That includes the plethora of resources available for all different types of game between all the articles and forum posts. There are just tons of resources on SS/GC about so many different kinds of game and their nuances.

Plenty of different guys on this forum discuss and enjoy different kinds of game - including many who advocate for crossgaming too.

That's also part of why when you said "community" in the OP I wasn't sure what you specifically meant, and I was really surprised when you said "SS."

Given my experiences, it actually seems like OUTSIDE of SS is where a lot of the exploitative YouTube infield guys, etc., will espouse low-resolution things about daygame to peddle some thing (big difference between the low-resolution daygame POVs there and the high-resolution daygame POVs here).

Truth be told, I can't recall an active Modern Human or Tribal Elder in my time on the forum (roughly similar to your time on the forum) who DID NOT at least note the benefit in 1. Experimenting with different forms of game and/or 2. Cross-gaming in order to develop skills and discover personal preferences/what works for each individual seducer, supporting them along the way in their journey to do so. That may include daygame for the individual or it may not.

I mean, like, your guy Skills - one of the highest volume posters - is a big proponent of not just nightgaming but heck dancefloor too.

We can break it down even at a high-level for the sake of it:

Myself - crossgame.

Gunwitch - crossgame, does everything. Bacchus - viewed by a daygamer by some, but also a massive proponent of cross-gaming and was for a long time, in addition to being a big influence for that on the forum. (Not speaking on what happened recently, but I am speaking on his forum/GC contributions and all I know from him personally).

Carousel, Teevster (and Pelusita who was never too active on SS but certainly worth mentioning) - veteran nightgamers. Maybe even a veteran nightgamer would tell you NIGHTGAME is king in their opinion - I've heard that essentially said but won't say a name in case they don't want to be dragged into this.

Glow - daygame/nightgame/social circle, crossgame.

fog - crossgame. Flux - don't know him well enough personally to say exactly how he games now, but he definitely does nightgame is and is a good texter too.

DWW - crossgame. Topcat - crossgame.

Not to leave anyone out or anything, just some examples.

We're not really seeing a swath of posters here who are "tunnel visioned on daygame"or espouse that on others right?

Naturally, within SS there are guys who have personal preferences. Again, some of the aforementioned prefer forms of nightgame and some prefer daygame. Personally, I like everything but do also really enjoy nightgame (especially street nightgame) and kink community gaming as well.

Chase for example does make observations about daygame but he also advoates for concepts like the "Anytime Seducer" and even if he does personally prefer daygame, again this is an open forum where many have their preferences (and have expressed them based on their experience without projecting onto others).

Now if you said "SS forum where the unspoken rule is cold approach is king," then that's entirely different and I would agree with that. Heck, it's a forum founded upon cold approach pickup, of course it would be - not that there hasn't been a place for discussion on apps/online/social media/general texting/whatever because there clearly has been.

If you said there are some underdiscussed elements of certain high-upside gaming styles, sure that can also be an opinion but any of those discussions can take place if those people with the opinions feel like the time/effort for it is worthwhile.

Then at times we have seen discussions on "variations of girl types based on daygame/nightgame/online," which was beaten to death wasn't it...

Really quickly touching that though from my POV:

From someone who had an amazing LTR with an amazing girl from a goddamn niche BDSM app of all places, laid my share of Cluster Bs (and more stable girls) from early on from different forms of game, been in relationships with Cluster Bs (and more stable girls) from different forms of game, and am a crossgamer, I can see where the whole "women are women" thing is going... but to me it's maybe not the best phrase and causes some confusion?

To me, that kinda infers women are like, the same regardless of individuality and contexts? When nah though, each woman presents a unique case because of her specific traits and contexts haha. But, nuances that work toward the same thing.

So in my mind it's more like "each woman presents a unique case based on her own specific traits and contexts surrounding her, which may or may not be stereotypical of where/when she is approached, in which women with certain tendencies/interests may or may not overindex in certain contexts."

Basically, taking each girl individually and seeing where she's at because there's naturally going to be some degree of variation with each woman/context.

Overall it's not that different contexts necessarily have the same women or that women are the same within different contexts, it's that there's variation within contexts and we can optimze to THAT specific woman accordingly - both in terms of any screening and optimizing how to lay her based on her individual traits. That's the important thing that's stuck in my mind at least.

Y'all can feel free to duke it out over your questions though, I'm just dropping by for one post because I thought it was a bit of an unfair premise that left a bad taste in my mouth lol.

Hope everyone on every side of the pond is enjoying the holidays and here's to another great year for us seducers!
 

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@Lofty have nothing but mutual respect for you man so glad you chimed in

I did a forum search for "daygame is king" and the only results that came back were from YOU in your post titled "Lockdown or not Daygame is King" and then a comment from Ree in 2019...

Good to call me out... As you noted my opinions have changed. I kept on seeing material about daygame being the best for quality of girl but after cross-gaming in all areas similar to you saw there's no real difference in quality but definitely a difference in effort to reward ratio... (for me)


Online however continually gets shunned as "helpless" as seen by the thread here. I'm not singling anyone out, just a good example of the point I'm putting across and appreciate other guys did give differing views.

I'd actually say that the diversity in thought/empiricism regarding different gaming types, styles , etc., has been a major advantage of SS over everywhere else in the community.

100% agree. It's why I'm here and giving constructive feedback as I want it to remain as the last place for tangible, relevant, up to date advice that works.
We're not really seeing a swath of posters here who are "tunnel visioned on daygame"or espouse that on others right?

You're right. I should of been more specific I guess it's more a dismissal of online relative to other avenues even though in my experience and observing guys who're currently successful it makes up a significant % of their success and/or including nightgame.
Now if you said "SS forum where the unspoken rule is cold approach is king," then that's entirely different and I would agree with that. Heck, it's a forum founded upon cold approach pickup

Solid point. Part of the forum's roots so it's natural that it has that skew.
So in my mind it's more like "each woman presents a unique case based on her own specific traits and contexts surrounding her, which may or may not be stereotypical of where/when she is approached, in which women with certain tendencies/interests may or may not overindex in certain contexts."

Basically, taking each girl individually and seeing where she's at because there's naturally going to be some degree of variation with each woman/context.

Overall it's not that different contexts necessarily have the same women or that women are the same within different contexts, it's that there's variation within contexts and we can optimze to THAT specific woman accordingly - both in terms of any screening and optimizing how to lay her based on her individual traits. That's the important thing that's stuck in my mind at least.

Again 100% agree... Had a think and this can be distilled to:

"Focus on her not where you found her"

All the best in 2023 bro!
 

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Ive closed 100+ girls this year from apps (i don't need to work it was literally all i did), 2 from Instagram DMs, and 1 from a cold approach my wing did (lol).

I have a very negative outlook on what this has done to my brain. Its become almost an addiction using apps on my phone. But unlike daygame / nightgame, I don't think I have gained anything outside of increasing my lay count.

And my motivation for cold approach? Zero. I haven't done one since November 2021.

The brightside of all this is I found a girl I really like and made her my girlfriend.

My old roommate who does way more cold approach just got better pictures for apps (+ facetune the shit out them, honestly dont know how girls dont call him out), has already closed a few girls in a week. I suspect this will also kill his motivation for cold approach
 

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Ive closed 100+ girls this year from apps (i don't need to work it was literally all i did), 2 from Instagram DMs, and 1 from a cold approach my wing did (lol).

I have a very negative outlook on what this has done to my brain. Its become almost an addiction using apps on my phone. But unlike daygame / nightgame, I don't think I have gained anything outside of increasing my lay count.

And my motivation for cold approach? Zero. I haven't done one since November 2021.

The brightside of all this is I found a girl I really like and made her my girlfriend.

My old roommate who does way more cold approach just got better pictures for apps (+ facetune the shit out them, honestly dont know how girls dont call him out), has already closed a few girls in a week. I suspect this will also kill his motivation for cold approach
Interesting, for me the opposite, once i figured out apps/online, i found it boring and predectable vs night game.. the problem you guys have is that you stop going out once u do online..you need to have a clubbing or cold approach day or night...
 
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