Socializing The fallacy of seduction success....

[Skills]

So I always write a blog and/or a post, based on an observation, my life, the field or something going on... So the sequence is, i usually make a post then get feedback then usually turn it into a youtube video..... Recently i made a goal of try to do a youtube a week, but it has been 2 weeks and i have been paralyzed due to i can not convey what i wrote in this post my problem is that i can not back up with examples what i wrote myself in agreement with some seducer i never met, cause.... well because he is suppose to be "tops" according to many guys i know and respect.... So i go into homework mode and in 2 freaking weeks, waste of my time, i could not back up what i agree with a dude i never met.... Then I realized, there is confirmation bias, but then again we all do it.... But, i came out with a mental masturbation concept called "the fallacy of seduction success" maybe i refine the concept some other time.... So here is how it goes: Basically you have someone skilled at _____________________ (fill in the blank) hanging out with someone/or multiple people not too skill at ________________________ (fill in the blank) then the results = total erroneous conclusion.... (myself included)....

So, let me give you an example (analogy), lets say you are good at kick boxing (master) and you get into a fight with someone less skill at muay thai (2 years in) = you arrive at the conclusion kick boxing is greater than muay thai cause "i beat a muay thai guy" when the truth is you have 10 times the fighting experience.....

skills wtf get to the point.... This totally happens all the time is confirmation bias! I see it a lot in the seduction community:

Very successful naturals going out with community guys that are intermediate = Puas suck (i used to think this for years)

Very successful puas going out with mediocre naturals = naturals suck.

Very successful direct guys going out with mediocre indirect guys = indirect guys suck and vice versa

Very attractive serious guys going out with mediocre funny guys = humor does not get you laid (the reason for this post i could not find in 2 weeks funny guys that sucked, even the cringe ones)

Very attractive/skilled tall guys hanging you with mediocre/unskilled short guys = short guys don't get laid

and on and on and on....

 

[trashKENNUT]

Oh man, this is very real.

Another example where i learn recently. Women hate other Women. That is a fucking myth.
In case anyone wonders what exactly women mean: They are differentiating themselves from other women. In business, it's called throwing rocks at red ocean (Russell Brunson).

z@c+

 

[MuST0BtA1NSkR1Lla]

......Funny,

I was reading a book once called Factotum. The definition of the word boils down to as “Somebody who does odd jobs.”

Yes in pick up we do go towards the success, and yes we do go towards comparisons etc...

We haven’t even broken off age differentials and preferentials and other things. Yet I do find it odd even with all these factors most of us fall to the same conclusions.Well it isn’t actually that odd.

Pickup technically runs as a script, all that other stuff with looks and money etc... isn’t really pick up as much as verbal, kino is. So if you runthrough the script enough times you’ll find yourself pretty much in that zone, and when you are in that zone that’s when the inspired writing starts to begin.

 

[Velasco]

Ok let me bring some enlightenment on this excellent post you made here Skills.

One issue is the original premise.

Karea who i never met, made a post about how he had a wing who was very funny and charismatic and never got laid while he got laid....

i suspect the dude in karea sample does what i do when i use humor and don't get laid, which is i never cont. with the other processes of seduction.... funny= no getting laid if you don't cont. with the seduction process and cut it short.....

You keep saying Karea's friend, who is very funny, never gets laid. When what Karea actually said was

"A good friend of mine on the other hand, gets a foot in the door with EVERY girl he approaches.

He's one of the funniest guys I know. It's insane… I don't know that I've ever seen him get blown out.

But he mostly gets numbers from girls under 20 with this act, and he hardly ever gets laid. He spent two months in my city a while ago and we went out together a lot… and he didn’t end up sleeping with even a single girl".

Meaning he DOES get laid. Just not as often as Karea (his friend is not as good a seducer as Karea is more the issue). Karea writes that his friend wasn't going for same night lays.

He would open and every girl would hook from his funny jokes/stories. Then he would number close them (irrelevant if it was nightgame or daygame as numbers are flakey as fuck. Especially considering these girls are mostly under 20 years old). And then they wouldn't respond to his texts. So no sex.

He said that in the 2 months he spent going out with him, he did not get laid. 2 months of not hooking up with new chicks is not strange for a guy who goes out to get laid (if they went out 1-2 times per week, that means of the 8-12 nights they went out together, he went 0 for 8-12). Especially since the article was written in 2012. So no instagram, Tinder, Bumble, for easy sex.

So taking all that into consideration, what Karea said is plausible. He just drew faulty conclusions like you wrote in this post. That showing off your naturally funny personality is bad for seduction. Instead it only means that its not enough for her to want to fuck you. Just like looks or being fascinating is not enough.

(the reason for this post i could not find in 2 weeks funny guys that sucked, even the cringe ones)

The reason you can't find funny guys that would suck with girls, is because the guys who you'd look up for examples that you can tell would normally suck with girls, are celebrities. So they can get girls through high end social circles. So you'd look up guys who your instinct would tell you, they would never be able to pull hot girls, and see they have a wife/girlfriend. So you can't use them as funny guys that suck with girls, because they are married. But if they weren't celebrities, if you'd go out with them, they would suck with girls even if they are funny guys.
example:

this guy you know would hook girls with his funny stories, but then not get laid as much as you.

Very attractive/skilled tall guys hanging you with mediocre/unskilled short guys = short guys don't get laid

It is interesting that you choose the word "don't get laid" here. instead of "sucks" like you used in the other examples. Also interesting that you can't use the vice versa as the other examples "very attractive/skilled short guy hanging out with mediocre/unskilled tall guys = tall guys don't get laid/suck". Because you know there are alot of tall guys with no game, that still pull more girls than the skilled short guy...meaning there is some truth to the last example.

 

[Skills]

You keep saying Karea's friend, who is very funny, never gets laid. When what Karea actually said was

"A good friend of mine on the other hand, gets a foot in the door with EVERY girl he approaches.

He's one of the funniest guys I know. It's insane… I don't know that I've ever seen him get blown out.

But he mostly gets numbers from girls under 20 with this act, and he hardly ever gets laid. He spent two months in my city a while ago and we went out together a lot… and he didn’t end up sleeping with even a single girl".


Meaning he DOES get laid. Just not as often as Karea (his friend is not as good a seducer as Karea is more the issue). Karea writes that his friend wasn't going for same night lays.

He would open and every girl would hook from his funny jokes/stories. Then he would number close them (irrelevant if it was nightgame or daygame as numbers are flakey as fuck. Especially considering these girls are mostly under 20 years old). And then they wouldn't respond to his texts. So no sex.

i know all this, is call "figurative speech" is like when i was saying "night game died" and "with millennials i could not get laid even paying for a hooker" get me.... or "fuck my life" is just talking dude, to make a point. "he does not get laid" means he sucks... By the way (this is not dissing kareas' observation, he is the shit, according to pure evil)...

He said that in the 2 months he spent going out with him, he did not get laid. 2 months of not hooking up with new chicks is not strange for a guy who goes out to get laid (if they went out 1-2 times per week, that means of the 8-12 nights they went out together, he went 0 for 8-12). Especially since the article was written in 2012. So no instagram, Tinder, Bumble, for easy sex.

^ incorrect sex back then, was 500 times easier due to no instagram, tinder etc... I feel bad for guys that did not game in that period...You actually would have done really good back then...

So taking all that into consideration, what Karea said is plausible. He just drew faulty conclusions like you wrote in this post. That showing off your naturally funny personality is bad for seduction. Instead it only means that its not enough for her to want to fuck you. Just like looks or being fascinating is not enough.

^ i made that point in my last entry in the post debunking humor in seduction. Being funny without continuing the seduction process is a dancing monkey... NO different of the fools that in clubs do the circle jerk and don't get laid being dancing monkeys.

The reason you can't find funny guys that would suck with girls, is because the guys who you'd look up for examples that you can tell would normally suck with girls, are celebrities. So they can get girls through high end social circles. So you'd look up guys who your instinct would tell you, they would never be able to pull hot girls, and see they have a wife/girlfriend. So you can't use them as funny guys that suck with girls, because they are married. But if they weren't celebrities, if you'd go out with them, they would suck with girls even if they are funny guys.
example:

this guy you know would hook girls with his funny stories, but then not get laid as much as you.

incorrect i would never make that ^ ridiculous mistake, i hate when you guys state obvious shit to me lol, i was specifically looking for no celebrities and spent 2 weeks with nothing, i also went into my memory lane and i could not recall a funny guy that was bad with women, and i interview female friends as well...By the way chase came with similar conclusion, that is why he made his post, then i made my post...... There is not way for you based on assumption to know if he gets laid or not and the quality (though he is married, my main loves that dude)... I know big guys (black and tall, heavy set that are funny and kill it with the ladies), also you posted a fat celebritie with no fundamentals is a weird example.... I can have a fat heavy set guys imitate _______ method and he may need to work more numbers due to fundamentals and has nothing to do with the post...

It is interesting that you choose the word "don't get laid" here. instead of "sucks" like you used in the other examples. Also interesting that you can't use the vice versa as the other examples "very attractive/skilled short guy hanging out with mediocre/unskilled tall guys = tall guys don't get laid/suck". Because you know there are alot of tall guys with no game, that still pull more girls than the skilled short guy...meaning there is some truth to the last example.

^ just lol, you are overanlysing my writting... I was having my short wing primo in mind, and anti community guys that say short guys = death sentence.... some of the best guys i know are actually short...

 

[Velasco]

There is not way for you based on assumption to know if he gets laid or not and the quality (though he is married, my main loves that dude)... I know big guys (black and tall, heavy set that are funny and kill it with the ladies), also you posted a fat celebritie with no fundamentals is a weird example.... I can have a fat heavy set guys imitate _______ method and he may need to work more numbers due to fundamentals and has nothing to do with the post...

I didn't choose Gabriel as an example solely on his looks, but his vibe too. He's got that 'aww shucks fun friendly social guy' vibe to me.

The funny fat guys who get laid with hot girls are the one's that's vibe is closer to Patrice's vibe:

I have worked with both guys who have these guys vibe in the past. And I know the one with Gabriel's vibe (he does funny impressions like Gabriel does) doesn't get laid. The one with Patrice's vibe, I'd see him flirting with the hotter girls. And he has game, but the girls still didn't fuck him (at least to my knowledge).

If Gabriel wasn't a celeb, he'd be that guy that would end up with the chubby Spanish girl in the group (i know u know the type I'm talking about) that loves his jokes! Especially with the social proof of the hotter girls thinking he's funny too. Ask your main if she would actually fuck Gabriel if he approached her in the club.

But yeah, just another example that when it comes to getting chicks, your vibe has more weight than your sense of humor or looks.

I was having my short wing primo in mind, and anti community guys that say short guys = death sentence.... some of the best guys i know are actually short...

I know one short guy was good at cold approach (he was a natural). I also know many short guys from the seduction community who suck at cold approach.

 

[Velasco]

@Skills

Yo! This just came to me earlier this afternoon

Very attractive serious guys going out with mediocre funny guys = humor does not get you laid (the reason for this post i could not find in 2 weeks funny guys that sucked, even the cringe ones)

In Chase's post about the difference between naturals and PUAs, I shared with you, your video where you talked about how the guys from the Anti PUA community were all hilarous (not "mediocre funny guys") and charismatic yet they didnt get laid

P.s. the anti puas didn't get laid you misunderstood what I said

So here you can use these guys as an example of funny guys who dont get laid (they were part of the PUAhate community, so I'm sure all of them knew about "game". And I dont know anyone who is funny online/through texts, that is not funny in real life. So it's very likely these guys were hilarious in person). You were part of the PUAhate community so you know why these guys (not the current mentally ill incels on the lookism forum) didnt get laid better than me.

 

[Skills]

Yo! This just came to me earlier this afternoon



In Chase's post about the difference between naturals and PUAs, I shared with you, your video where you talked about how the guys from the Anti PUA community were all hilarious (not "mediocre funny guys") and charismatic yet they didnt get laid

mediocre is not in context of humor a mediocre in terms of seduction using humor... just lol velasco how you can misunderstand everything...

also you can be the funniest guy in the word if you have mental illness and you lack fundamentals you will not get laid.... You are talking about these type of dudes in person:

So here you can use these guys as an example of funny guys who dont get laid (they were part of the PUAhate community, so I'm sure all of them knew about "game". And I dont know anyone who is funny online/through texts, that is not funny in real life. So it's very likely these guys were hilarious in person). You were part of the PUAhate community so you know why these guys (not the current mentally ill incels on the lookism forum) didnt get laid better than me.

^ incorrect, they were hilarious online (written charisma, go to time machine shitty advise from puahate so you understand), weirdos in person, some of them, very physically unattractive (they all lacked fundamentals) and they want insta gratification with super hot girls way above their level...



P.s. my point is not about humor either is about actually the fallacy of incorrect conclusion based on you having a style and hanging out with someone less skills with different style = conclusion the style sucks....

Right now in the forum you have a dude doing screening with minimal game and you have multiple other guys with more experience doing actual game game = the screener getting laid more= does not mean anything.... I can do a fancy post making it look like screeners get laid more than seducers= this still falls into a fallacy of seduction success (i used to do this a lot, and is still being done today all over youtube/internet)....