The Right Time To Go On A Date After Quarantine

[Troy]

Hello GC

It's almost time for us to leave quarantine (some cities). I have been exercising, working out business deals and flirting with girls these past 2 months. I honestly am in no way ready to go out. All I can do is grind as much as possible and know that I am not perfect and things take time. But again it is hard.

I can only imagine the streets will be packed with people, like a celebration once we are let out. I think us GC members need to know when to spot the signs when is the exact right time to go out.

I have 2 dates setup where I will take 2 different girls to a garden for a picnic and there is a river we can go for a swim in. There are also private changing rooms where I can pull them for sex. There is one caveat to this approach though. If I pick the wrong day to take these girls on the date, the entire garden will be overcrowded and it will be almost impossible for me to pull the girls for sex in a changing room because there may be a crowd and people will obviously see me pulling girls in the riverside changing room.

The biggest issue facing me right now is I live with Christian parents, also in a dysfunctional family. It is very strange, out of the entire family, I am the only person who is into self improvement and my family despite being Christian, they fight like pigs all the time. Last time I brought a girl over my Mom banged down my room door and said "boy don't get no girl pregnant in my house".

I was distraught for a long time and so for a very long time I have not brought any girls home. I lost my girlfriend due to the fact she thought I was a loser. I usually rely on public sex, which is extremely difficult and so most of my dates are structured around picnic or garden settings where I can hopefully find somewhere to pull girls for sex.

This is honestly causing me to get laid very little and it is frustrating. I am not sure how many of you guys remember, when I was 15 years old, I was the youngest guy on the Girls Chase forum regularly. I have gone through a lot of failures through the years: getting bullied in high school, having only 1 girlfriend in high school for only 2 months and since I left high school 5 years ago, unfortunately I have been stuck working below minimum wage jobs.

My job salary is so low, I cannot even afford to pay a cheap rent somewhere and still be able to afford food. A lot of other young people are also in my situation. I work in a call center and they treat people horrible, very strict rules and low pay. So from 2016 to now I have been in that industry. I am highly educated with a high school degree but good jobs are unfortunatly not available for the majority of persons under 30 years old in my country.

In the past 4 years, I have tried and failed at multiple online businesses and the only one which has survived some what is my digital agency business. I currently signed 3 joint venture deals so I can get others to share their strengths where I have weaknesses so I can get more clients to build a 6 figure income and quickly move out of my parents home. I am now 24 years old.

It's really sad, I did my very best at the start of quarantine to exercise 2-4 hours a day, work on my business 8 hours a day, work a call center job 8 hours a day and still find time to flirt with girls via social media and callling them. So I have been super busy, yet the results are just not there. And at 24 years old I feel like I am running out of time.

A lot of girls find me to be very cute, girls at work usually flirt with me. I do however lack a lot of self confidence to be honest. I am not where I want to be in life. Here are some of the things I am seriously lacking on:

1. No apartment or house
2. No car (some girls dont want to date me because they have to take public transport)
3. I got a little bit of man boobs going on which is why I have been working out religiously
4. Low paying job and a business that is not yet profitable

I am constantly taking action and I am beating up myself for not achieving more at 24 years old. The government announced that starting today there will some curfew lifts and hopefully by the end of May, life will go back to normal. Which means girls will be out and about.

I feel out of control because while I do have a few dates setup, my logistics, finances and physical fitness are way out of line. I am honestly working hard day and night to not miss out on the biggest sex orgy of the century.

 

[Velasco]

Go back to their place + https://www.skilledseducer.com/thre...t-laid-and-get-girlfriends.22747/#post-115050 (basically talk about how your online business crashed and left you dead broke. So your starting from scratch again. Which is why you're temporarily living with your parents at the moment).

Goes without saying but you gotta be fun to hang out with, great at sex, non needy to make it work for long-term.

 

[trashKENNUT]

4. Low paying job and a business that is not yet profitable

Are you spending more than you actually earn?

Social media marketing agency, 3 clients paying you 1K per month (which means 3K) is more than enough to cover your rent and don't spend on food outside too much.

Joint ventures are hit n miss because they don't share the same goals too often.

For clients, they don't really give a shit. Most of them only want leads.

 

[Troy]

@Velasco

Go back to their place + https://www.skilledseducer.com/thre...t-laid-and-get-girlfriends.22747/#post-115050 (basically talk about how your online business crashed and left you dead broke. So your starting from scratch again. Which is why you're temporarily living with your parents at the moment).

Goes without saying but you gotta be fun to hang out with, great at sex, non needy to make it work for long-term.

Yeah I can tell girls my online business failed in the past. I guess I will need to focus on my mindset before telling girls this as I am somewhat insecure to mention this to girls. I usually overthink a lot of things.

As for being non-needy, that is I think my #1 growing strength in dating. My goals have shifted from simply fucking girls everywhere to focusing on my business. So if a girl does not like me, it will definitely hurt for a while. And even then my business has so many moving parts to it, I usually get distracted by work.

Being fun, is kind of a hit and miss at the moment. Some dates I have, girls are laughing non-stop while other dates girls look at me like I am the most boring guy ever. I think what has worked in the past is for me to weed out girls who don't laugh at my jokes or seem interested. I got money to make so I usually cut things off with girls real quick if they dont seem super interested in talking to me. I am not sure if that is a good or bad approach, at the current moment its a positive though.

@ZacAdam

Are you spending more than you actually earn?

Social media marketing agency, 3 clients paying you 1K per month (which means 3K) is more than enough to cover your rent and don't spend on food outside too much.

Joint ventures are hit n miss because they don't share the same goals too often.

For clients, they don't really give a shit. Most of them only want leads.

Yeah I spend more that I earn. Usually I have to dip into my job salary. Most of that spending has been used on purchasing business tools and courses for self improvement which seems to be helping with getting my skills tighter to deliver a greater service to my clients. I do run an overall marketing agency, SEO, Advertising and Social media, its like a million things to do and so recently I scaled back to focus on just getting 1 thing really good that clients find it hard to turn down and then I can offer the other services at a later date.

My niche market has a lot of room for growth. Yeah the 3 clients paying $1,000 is a good start, issue is, I am not profitable at the moment. I am breaking even with lots of business expenses.

The joint venture has definitely been a hit and miss. I did one back in December and the guy quit on me by the end of March saying he was super stressed out when in fact I was doing 80% of the work. I am just hoping that these 3 joint venture partners can close a couple of clients for the company this May going into June. My goal was if each joint venture partners closes 5 clients each at $1,000 - $2,000 a month minimum, I would be looking at a $15,000 - $30,000 a month business.

I have a great product, unfortunately I suck at selling it to others + my day job takes up every hour of my day that clients are at work. I only hope and trust I can turn things around this time. I set up such a good offer for my business partners, if clients are connected it would be a winner out the gate.

So once I handle that aspect, it would definitely resolve:

1. The car problem
2. The rent problem
3. Dating money problem

And from there I could focus a lot more on dating freely.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Classic Problem.

You have a Consumer transition to Businessmen problem

You must sell courses/ideas. Not buy them.

Man, your problem is not money since you already have a job. It's mindsets and skillsets

 

[Troy]

Classic Problem.

You have a Consumer transition to Businessmen problem

You must sell courses/ideas. Not buy them.

Man, your problem is not money since you already have a job. It's mindsets and skillsets

My business is built around lead generation, selling qualified customers to local businesses. In 2016 I had no idea what I wanted to so first I had to learn. I built my fundamentals of business DIY style by checking everywhere on Google for the worlds top internet marketers and that is where I took majority of my job income and put into purchasing courses and business tools.

If I did not 1st invest in learning, I would not have skills now to sell a product of service. So I had to invest first.

To put things in perspective, imagine living in a dysfunctional family. I am the only one that is interested in self improvement surrounded family members who are always fighting. If I brought a girl over to my house today and took her to my room, my family would in the other rooms of the house in some heated argument. My family scenario is not typical and it truly takes a lot of courage for me to write this.

I am constantly bombarded by negative family and neighbors and even though my business model is proven to make me money, I am currently breaking even. Hence I am living on my minimum wage job, which if I were to move out of my parents house with my current job situation, I would end up living in the ghetto surrounded by a crime and all kinds of other problems I dont want to have.

If I move to anywhere remotely decent, I would end up spending 80% of my current job income on just rent. And it's not like the other 20% of my current job income is a lot of money for me to justify spending 80% on rent.

When you say the problem is my mindset and skillset, I am listening, I want to make sure I am not just replying to you ZacAdam, I want to make sure I am actually listening and taking relevant feedback. Can you clarify what mindset and skillset I am missing?

I dont think moving out to spend 80% of my job income on rent is sensible unless my business starts making some decent profit. Besides due to the COVID19, my boss cut 10 working hours of and so my salary is constantly going up and down and if things get worse I could lose my job.

So I just thought my best bet is to get other business partners to help where I fall short and we all make a lot of money together and then I can focus on renting somewhere nice and getting a decent car so I can pull girls in my car for sex.

 

[trashKENNUT]

When you say the problem is my mindset and skillset, I am listening, I want to make sure I am not just replying to you ZacAdam, I want to make sure I am actually listening and taking relevant feedback. Can you clarify what mindset and skillset I am missing?

I think you are buying too much courses. You are lacking the entrepreneur 'solve a problem' mentality. This is very evident by you planning to depend on your partners to help you solve your weakness. You don't need to be good at all areas for now.

Unless it's on paper, that they are suppose to do this, that,

this is very unlikely.

Budgeting wise, I'm not sure what you mean by breaking even. Is your ad spend and software tools so high? That's just a lot of things I can smell that does not add up.

or maybe you just spending too much on the wrong things.

Example: A great product website when all you need is a few landing page for now.

 

[YS.]

Hey buddy,

4 years ago; I had no money, no friends, no girls, no house.
3 years ago, I had no money, some friends, epic girls, a dog shit house.
2 years ago, I had some money, some friends, epic girls and a dog shit house.
1 year ago, I had a lot of money, very little friends (lol, side effect of business), a polyamorous fiance and an epic house.

You'll be OK. I was in a very similar situation. It seems like you are taking all the right steps. My family tried to sabotage me in ways that would make you shake.

First order of business:

GET THE FUCK OUT OF THAT HOUSE. That's not your house G. It's your family's. You're just their guest. You can't expect them to have your values and vision in life. GET. THE. FUCK. OUT. (I had TERRIBLE roommates in order to do that when I had no money, but that's part of the journey.) Find a setup that fits you and your budget. Prioritize your shit.

Do you have any cool friends or contacts? I feel a big part of mentality/inner game is osmosis and the reality of your environment. If not, I want you to find some anchors. That's where people like gurus/mentors come in, because if you fully buy in to them, you can trust their frames/mentalities even without many references just because they said it. Tapping into the power of belief.

Also realize, without a current reality that supports otherwise, it is EXTREMELY NORMAL to feel a lack of self confidence. I will create a massive post about this called the Baseline Theory but my suggestion is realize it's fucking normal and not a problem. Don't fight it. Confidence comes from competence. You have to earn it. Don't expect to have it without earning it. (This is where PU theory comes in. Don't trust yourself, trust the theory/guru. You can't trust yourself, yet.) Find joys in your journey and in learning. Find joys in adventures and experiences, not just hedonistic results.

Now onto the more Wu Wu part. I think it's extremely helpful if you're somewhat religious/spiritual for belief/trust/confidence issues. I'm not gonna push hard on this but I feel this really has helped me in my darkest and most scary times. (3 books that have helped me greatly are: The Power of Now, The Way of the Peaceful Warrior, 12 Rules for Life. Again, my disclaimer, all 3 are kinda religious books.)

On a more practical side you can and should definitely try to meditate. It will help your mind not be completely taken hostage the moment fear/anxiety/doubt/lack of confidence arises, you can breathe into it and not let it consume you and still be able to find a present space to function from.

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Let me give you a quick hack for mentality. Dress up as someone who already did what you're trying to achieve.

It's killer.

I basically started dressing up in suits 3 years ago. Dressing for success. This taps into so many principles of your psyche it's hard to put all of them into a post but the biggest one is the commitment and consistency principle. You'll be shaping your identity, just because of wearing this. (It will feel uncomfortable as fuck at first.) Then closing clients or not giving a fuck about what your family says wouldn't be a massive issue. The identity part is crucial for success in any endeavour, imo. Do you HAVE TO do it? No, have I? Yes. Very very good results. Basically it's a variation of fake it till you make it but with more visual commitment. For the same reasons if you have no financial/corporate commitments, it's best to dress like a careless fuckboy if all you want to do is to fuck girls. It would make your identity congruent in your own head.

BTW, feeling like shit during the quarantine is OK (look at Chrance's FR, he was super out of it/in his head, too.) but don't put these limiting beliefs on yourself like you will miss out the biggest fuckfest or whatever. WHO FUCKING CARES BRO?! Don't make it bigger than what it is. This is called Fear of Missing Out (and 99% of the time, it's not even real lol, it's just in your head. You're not missing out on anything.) and it's fucking horrible. Don't let it get to you. Go out, test the waters, have your fun. Have your own success criteria,

Check out Sandman in the forums. He is inactive but he literally same day pulled virgin Muslim girls into HOTELS (yeah, I didn't know it was possible too) because he lived with his ultra conservative Muslim parents.(Btw, I respect the fuck out of you doing public sex, haha.)

Goddamn this was a wall of fucking text and I'm procrastinating on work LOL.

Hope it was helpful bro. I can elaborate on more things if you ask me to.

Much love and much luck!

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Addendum: I feel your post isn't really about your post title haha. But my suggestion to your title is get back into it as soon as possible. You'll feel weird and out of it but just shake the rust off at first. I recommend you to keep a journal on the site if you haven't been doing that already. It'll motivate you, push you, keep you accountable and speed up your learning.

 

[Troy]

I think you are buying too much courses. You are lacking the entrepreneur 'solve a problem' mentality. This is very evident by you planning to depend on your partners to help you solve your weakness. You don't need to be good at all areas for now.

Unless it's on paper, that they are suppose to do this, that,

this is very unlikely.

Budgeting wise, I'm not sure what you mean by breaking even. Is your ad spend and software tools so high? That's just a lot of things I can smell that does not add up.

or maybe you just spending too much on the wrong things.

Example: A great product website when all you need is a few landing page for now.

Back in 2017 I did not know what kind of business I wanted to build for sure. So I tried a bunch of things: Ecommerce, sales, marketing, e.t.c and I probably spent a couple thousand dollars on courses.

As of early 2019, that is when I solidified the main business I was semi successful at and since April 2019 I just stuck to that one business model and worked at least 200 hours a month on building out solid models to sell leads to local companies. That took me until the end of 2019 and I was hitting a lot of roadblocks.

For instance I had a full time job. I would leave home for work at 7:00am and get home by 6:00pm each day and I was super tired. The clients I would have to go after to grow my business, the decision makers are typically 9am - 5pm people so it became very impractical for me to call on companies before 7am or after 6pm as I usually got stuck talking to the gatekeepers and not closing any business.

I was doing a lot of affiliate marketing which is where I would send my leads to an affiliate offer and the problem is I am not working directly with the client so the affiliate platform would take a large cut of every qualified business lead I sent them. And my margins were so low. By the time I took out marketing costs, I would end up breaking even. For instance, lets say I ran advertising and I spent $12 to generate a lead, my payouts could range from as low as $2 to as high as $25 and the problem with this is I never knew for sure what I would get paid for qualified business I sold to the affiliate platforms.

I would have to get to a 100% conversion rate to know I am profitable everytime. I remember a lot of instances I paid $20 to generate a lead and got paid between $2 - $15 hence I am losing money.

And there were other instances I was paying $10 on digital marketing to drive traffic and I got paid $25 so you can kind of see the pattern. I did not set my business prices, the affiliate platform did and so I had no idea what I would get paid at anypoint in time.

Sometimes I would make a little profit and other times I would lose money on the lead. Which is why my business is breaking even. So in December 2019, I got sick and tired of working so hard and had nothing to show for it. I decided since I did really not have time to go after clients, I would bring on a business partner who had more time to do that. So I would cut out the middle man, and set my own prices. So I could continue to afford to spend $10 - $30 to generate qualified business leads and charge a direct client $40 - $120 per qualified lead and the client would still be super profitable.

Being able to set my prices, allows for mistakes and learning opportunities while still delivering great value to my clients.

January to March I was working with 1 joint venture partner and he quit on me the end of March. So all of April I focused and decided that 1 business partner is not enough because I rely too much on 1 person. So I closed 3 signed agreements with business partners and at the moment, right now they are out looking to close clients. The value of my products and services is already proven to work, I just did not have anyone reliable to sell my products and services to and make any money.

At the moment I am actually not buying anymore courses because I spent the past 3 years doing that and educating myself and at this current moment for me to buy more courses would not make much difference if I am successful or not. Getting high paying clients is the only way to do that now.

I do provide a lot of value upfront to my business partners. What I have built took 3 years and if they were to go out and attempt to duplicate what I have built, it could take them at least 1-2 years of working 12 hours per day to get anywhere near to where my products and services are. I easily bring $20,000 to $100,000 in value upfront and all they have to do is connect clients to the backend. Back in 2018 and 2019 I was working at really odd hours to build my business. Many weekends I would wake up at 1:00am and I would work right up until 8pm, of course I took breaks in between and for the most part I worked 12 - 16 hours a day. Which is why a great value exchange is for them to close clients and I deliver the services. Everyone wins.

So all I hope and do my best at the moment is to remain confident that this time things will work out

Hey buddy,

4 years ago; I had no money, no friends, no girls, no house.
3 years ago, I had no money, some friends, epic girls, a dog shit house.
2 years ago, I had some money, some friends, epic girls and a dog shit house.
1 year ago, I had a lot of money, very little friends (lol, side effect of business), a polyamorous fiance and an epic house.

You'll be OK. I was in a very similar situation. It seems like you are taking all the right steps. My family tried to sabotage me in ways that would make you shake.

First order of business:

GET THE FUCK OUT OF THAT HOUSE. That's not your house G. It's your family's. You're just their guest. You can't expect them to have your values and vision in life. GET. THE. FUCK. OUT. (I had TERRIBLE roommates in order to do that when I had no money, but that's part of the journey.) Find a setup that fits you and your budget. Prioritize your shit.

Do you have any cool friends or contacts? I feel a big part of mentality/inner game is osmosis and the reality of your environment. If not, I want you to find some anchors. That's where people like gurus/mentors come in, because if you fully buy in to them, you can trust their frames/mentalities even without many references just because they said it. Tapping into the power of belief.

Also realize, without a current reality that supports otherwise, it is EXTREMELY NORMAL to feel a lack of self confidence. I will create a massive post about this called the Baseline Theory but my suggestion is realize it's fucking normal and not a problem. Don't fight it. Confidence comes from competence. You have to earn it. Don't expect to have it without earning it. (This is where PU theory comes in. Don't trust yourself, trust the theory/guru. You can't trust yourself, yet.) Find joys in your journey and in learning. Find joys in adventures and experiences, not just hedonistic results.

Now onto the more Wu Wu part. I think it's extremely helpful if you're somewhat religious/spiritual for belief/trust/confidence issues. I'm not gonna push hard on this but I feel this really has helped me in my darkest and most scary times. (3 books that have helped me greatly are: The Power of Now, The Way of the Peaceful Warrior, 12 Rules for Life. Again, my disclaimer, all 3 are kinda religious books.)

On a more practical side you can and should definitely try to meditate. It will help your mind not be completely taken hostage the moment fear/anxiety/doubt/lack of confidence arises, you can breathe into it and not let it consume you and still be able to find a present space to function from.

----

Let me give you a quick hack for mentality. Dress up as someone who already did what you're trying to achieve.

It's killer.

I basically started dressing up in suits 3 years ago. Dressing for success. This taps into so many principles of your psyche it's hard to put all of them into a post but the biggest one is the commitment and consistency principle. You'll be shaping your identity, just because of wearing this. (It will feel uncomfortable as fuck at first.) Then closing clients or not giving a fuck about what your family says wouldn't be a massive issue. The identity part is crucial for success in any endeavour, imo. Do you HAVE TO do it? No, have I? Yes. Very very good results. Basically it's a variation of fake it till you make it but with more visual commitment. For the same reasons if you have no financial/corporate commitments, it's best to dress like a careless fuckboy if all you want to do is to fuck girls. It would make your identity congruent in your own head.

BTW, feeling like shit during the quarantine is OK (look at Chrance's FR, he was super out of it/in his head, too.) but don't put these limiting beliefs on yourself like you will miss out the biggest fuckfest or whatever. WHO FUCKING CARES BRO?! Don't make it bigger than what it is. This is called Fear of Missing Out (and 99% of the time, it's not even real lol, it's just in your head. You're not missing out on anything.) and it's fucking horrible. Don't let it get to you. Go out, test the waters, have your fun. Have your own success criteria,

Check out Sandman in the forums. He is inactive but he literally same day pulled virgin Muslim girls into HOTELS (yeah, I didn't know it was possible too) because he lived with his ultra conservative Muslim parents.(Btw, I respect the fuck out of you doing public sex, haha.)

Goddamn this was a wall of fucking text and I'm procrastinating on work LOL.

Hope it was helpful bro. I can elaborate on more things if you ask me to.

Much love and much luck!

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Addendum: I feel your post isn't really about your post title haha. But my suggestion to your title is get back into it as soon as possible. You'll feel weird and out of it but just shake the rust off at first. I recommend you to keep a journal on the site if you haven't been doing that already. It'll motivate you, push you, keep you accountable and speed up your learning.

LOL yes the title, initiallly I was going to write something different and then I realized what I was writing did not make sense and so I just went along with the flow of my thoughts, that is when the title did not make as much sense anymore. Pardon that lol

At the moment my closest friends are actually business partners and business mentors. Most of my high school friends moved to different countries or are busy with their own families. My best friend, a female is now married and has a child which is cool, she made me the godfather

Aside from that I don't have anyone else around me who is positive. I have people around me who are focused on arguing, gossipping, playing the blame game on how life is unfair, talking about things that in no way shape or form improves themselves.

I totally agree I am a guest in their house. I try not to overthink things, as you mention yes I think I am doing things as best as I possibly can at the moment. Get the money down first and then move out.

The Power of Now is a really good book, I read it back in 2019. I will get the other 2 you recommend so much respect to you

Lol public sex is fun, its nice feeling a wet pussy on my dick while the cool breeze is blowing, it makes the sex all that more enjoyable. I sometimes just wish I could have a girlfriend and the issue is if everytime I have sex with my girlfriend it is in some public bathroom or garden or bushes, I think it might be a problem long term.

So I gotta go get that money! I will do my best to not let FOMO get to the best of me.

I truly appreciate the long post reply @YS. and I will definitely do the dress for success exactly like you mentioned. Much love and thanks for the best wishes as I embark on doing even greater things in 2020.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Troy,

You have a

- marketing problem
- negotiation problem

But importantly. If your product and service are good, ppl will pay. Which means you have negotiation problems if what you say is true.

On the other hand, you sound specific. Which means it is a marketing problem i think.

I don't think that you are terrible at marketing but for some reason, there is something fundamental that i might have missed.

 

[Troy]

ZacAdam,

Monday to Friday from 7am - 6pm each day I am locked away between commute and my job which means most of the time I spend building my business is between 7pm - 11:59pm each week day and then on weekends is when I work 8 - 16 hour days, been doing that since 2018 consistently.

Majority of my time has been spent doing the affiliate marketing so I never really had direct clients before. I just sold affiliate and made less money until I had a proven business system. It was back in September 2019 my products and services started to prove successful and I heavily tested my products from September 2019 to March 2020 and that is when I decided that going for clients was the only way I was going to make a profit.

So yes you are correct somewhat with the negotiation, I am not trained to close sales. I am more of the tech guy you would see behind the computer silently making money, not the one actively being extroverted and talking to people. So I did buy into some sales courses in late 2019 and started practicing my negotiation skills.

And then the problem of always contacting companies after regular business hours became a major problem. I would either have to give up on my dreams of becoming an entrepreneur and keep working my job or I would leave my job to persue a business that is not yet profitable.

I remember one day I was on Youtube and I heard a comment by Rick Ross "you gotta have a team, you cannot do it all alone". And I did more research and saw that most of the top players and entrepreneurs do have a team.

And so I had to make a hard decision, was I gonna quit or was I going to take the chance to trust other people and in turn provide value to others. So then came my idea to do a joint venture. I literally have all business systems ready to go, just no one to sell to. So I can only trust and work diligently with my business partners to make things successful. My business partners all have experience in selling so I hope for the best.

And again ZacAdam, you are right I do need to focus on learning negotiation and improving how I market my business. So thanks for your feedback on pointing that out to me

 

[trashKENNUT]

Troy,

I hope my notes help. But my issue is more of you doing the "wrong thing".

I hope I help pinpoint it.

You don't need to quit your job. As much as business gurus says that you need to jump and die.

Take this with a grain of salt because I'm no Russell Brunson/etc.

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

Hello GC

I honestly am in no way ready to go out. All I can do is grind as much as possible and know that I am not perfect and things take time. But again it is hard.

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I have 2 dates setup where I will take 2 different girls to a garden for a picnic and there is a river we can go for a swim in.

I hate to be harsh, and I don't want to sound mean but

You don't know what you want.

Not ready to date, but you have 2 dates set up. You're schizophrenic.

Everything else you've written is irrelevant until you figure out what you actually want.

Do you want to be a regular guy, making money, car and house of your own and have traditional dates, or do you want to get blowjobs from girls you met online? There are guys much, much, much, broker than you are right now with 7 children by 5 different women.

Sex location is the least of your issues. If you run proper game, the chick will sit on your lap at the beach, staring out at the ocean and pull her bikini aside so you can fuck her. She'll do it in front of a family of 6 and get a kick out of it.

What do you want out of life?

WIA

 

[Troy]

I hate to be harsh, and I don't want to sound mean but

You don't know what you want.

Not ready to date, but you have 2 dates set up. You're schizophrenic.

Everything else you've written is irrelevant until you figure out what you actually want.

Do you want to be a regular guy, making money, car and house of your own and have traditional dates, or do you want to get blowjobs from girls you met online? There are guys much, much, much, broker than you are right now with 7 children by 5 different women.

Sex location is the least of your issues. If you run proper game, the chick will sit on your lap at the beach, staring out at the ocean and pull her bikini aside so you can fuck her. She'll do it in front of a family of 6 and get a kick out of it.

What do you want out of life?

WIA

Its extremely difficult for me to know what is most important for me to achieve right now to be honest. It feels like a chicken and egg situation, which comes first?

I dont know for sure. All of what I mentioned:

Money
Girls
Physical fitness

All seem just as important to me, without any of these in place, I feel totally out of control. Of course the money aspect, I wont ask too much on that, I will go to the business forums and gurus to get info on that.

I have struggled in the past with a lot of self confidence. I did mention I come from a dysfunctional family. I am like the black sheep in the family. I am the only one who is interested in self improvement. Not a day goes by without my family members having some argument or fight in the house and I am usually locked in my room reading a book on self improvement, lifting weights, building my business online or doing calling girls and making a connection during this quarantine. I am honestly doing my best to not be a victim of my past experiences and looking towards a brighter future.

My entire family things i am crazy for wanting to be an entrepreneur and they say I am evil for wanting to persue wealth. My parents also believe that sex before marriage is a big no no. I hope this explains how difficult this makes a typical bring girls at home to be is.

I got bullied from grade 3 all the way to the end of high school which further tarnished my self confidence. I have spent the last 4 years vigirously making attempts to improve my life. This explains how much my self confidence has been tarnished over the years. I am not like other guys who just get it and have girls giving them random blowjobs. I have a lot of negative experiences I am working to get over and I think fundamentally I need a change of environment, somewhere positive where people are encouraging me to be better. (which again comes back to money topic).

I am working a minimum wage job to make ends meet and I am sick and tired of that hence the reason I decided to become an entrepreneur 3 + years ago. In my opinion I thought that would give me the following:

1. The ability to control my time and energy by not working a job I honestly hate
2. The financial freedom to go on dates and spend without worrying if I am spending my groceries money for next week
3. Most importantly, financial freedom would allow me to get away from my family, neighbors and a boss who really dont care about my future. This would give me so much more room to grow and develop as a person

I know you mentioned guys more broke than me getting laid a lot more than I do. I am not one of those guys. Back in 2015, I was so broke I would go on dates and spend money on just a glass of water and at the end of the date I had to walk home at 8pm in the night on lonely streets because I did not have money for taxi fare. That is when I decided back in 2015 I had to change something in my life.

A situation like what I described does not help with self confidence. And without self confidence, for a long time I did not feel like dating.

However by me not dating, also leaves a big void in my life. As men we need sex. I need sex and so for me to lock myself away for years to persue money is also an extremely lonely journey. I had to find some balance which is why I did public sex.

Maybe the best way I can think to answer your question of what is want in one sentence is

I want a nice apartment, car and a sweet girlfriend while I continue to persue my other passions in life".

And because girls chase is about dating, I might have to unfortunately just bury my head back into my business, forget about dating for another few months and hopefully I dont go crazy missing out on sex

 

[Velasco]

I am working a minimum wage job to make ends meet and I am sick and tired of that hence the reason I decided to become an entrepreneur 3 + years ago

You understand that entrepreneurship is not the only path to financial freedom right? That it's not minimum wage job or be an entrepreneur?

1. The ability to control my time and energy by not working a job I honestly hate

And do you actually like being an entrepreneur?

I want a nice apartment, car and a sweet girlfriend while I continue to persue my other passions in life"

Ok this is what you really want. Do you realize that entrepreneurship is only one path to achieve this goal?

I have a great product, unfortunately I suck at selling it to others + my day job takes up every hour of my day that clients are at work.

I am more of the tech guy you would see behind the computer silently making money, not the one actively being extroverted and talking to people

And for you, this doesnt seem to be a natural strength of yours. You're much happier doing what your naturally good at. So rather than continue to pure more energy towards this sinking ship. I'd look into pursuing a entry level programming (remote) position. Being an entrepreneur (especially a solo one at that) looks very attractive on anyone's resume

 

[Troy]

@Velasco

And do you actually like being an entrepreneur?

I absolutely do love it. I will skip sleep to get more work done. I will work from 1am in the morning to 5am non stop, take a break until 9am and then work 10X harder at my business from 9am - 8pm, way more hours than a day job and I absoultely enjoy it. I love creating things and I love being in control of my income.

You understand that entrepreneurship is not the only path to financial freedom right?

Yes I understand. There are many more ways: sport stars, movie actor, climbing the job ladder (absolutely hate the last one)

Ok this is what you really want. Do you realize that entrepreneurship is only one path to achieve this goal?

Yes it is only 1 path. Having more money does not automatically mean I will have a girlfriend or more girls in my life. The skill to get girls is totally different. I purchased Chase Amante One Date courses and full Girls Chase program to help get girls and I build a business to get money so I can fund my lifestyle choices

Being an entrepreneur (especially a solo one at that) looks very attractive on anyone's resume

My biggest fear is waking up at 30 years old working for a boss, I understand its for some people, thats fine. If that were me though, all my current feeling would amplify by 100X worse.

I never had a job where bosses respected the people they hired

 

[Velasco]

I absolutely do love it.

I'm glad. That is the most important thing

What I see however is a super busy guy (https://www.verywellmind.com/how-the-glorification-of-busyness-impacts-our-well-being-4175360) that has no time left over to do the things he actually wants in life (lets see you say you work 8 hours a day on your business, 8 hours a day at your minimum wage job...that leaves 8 hours to do go to the gym+cold approach+sleep+cook your own meals....and you want to be getting at least 8 hours sleep because

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1261598412413128706

and feels like his running out of time to do the things he actually wants in life. Please correct me if I'm wrong here

I love creating things and I love being in control of my income.

That's great. What I getting you to understand, is that there are other paths in life (without having to sacrifice the things I listed above) where you can also get to create things for others (which give you joy).

As for being in complete control of your income, It doesn't seem that way because I see that you have to rely on others, and can only hope for the best.

So then came my idea to do a joint venture. I literally have all business systems ready to go, just no one to sell to. So I can only trust and work diligently with my business partners to make things successful. My business partners all have experience in selling so I hope for the best.

I am constantly bombarded by negative family and neighbors and even though my business model is proven to make me money, I am currently breaking even.

What you need to understand is, that all your parents want is for you to be making money and being on your own (so it not that they hate you because you didn't want to be a lawyer/doctor/high status job like they wanted you to be...especially when they compare your status with the their friend's kids). That is where the negativity is comes from. They love you and really want what's best for you...even if you can't see that right now

Yes I understand. There are many more ways: sport stars, movie actor, climbing the job ladder (absolutely hate the last one)

It's interesting the alternatives to entreprenurship you've chosen. Besides climbing the job ladder, they are also careers that have a really low percentage of "making it". I feel that you hate climbing the job ladder (again feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) because you, like many guys our age, got memed into thinking 9-5 job = slave. Entrepreneurship/starting a startup is the only path to true freedom. And climbing the job ladder, is really about just doing a really good job at what you do (you like creating things, so it really shouldn't be difficult to do a great job here), and then being good friends with the higher ups (people skills. Ya know? kind of like the thing PUA teaches

Having more money does not automatically mean I will have a girlfriend or more girls in my life

That's true. Having more money (and working less hours), will only allow to have time you need to bring girls into your life.

I purchased Chase Amante One Date courses and full Girls Chase program to help get girls and I build a business to get money so I can fund my lifestyle choices

I can not speak about the quality of their products because I have not purchased them (only PUA product I've ever purchased is Gunwitch's SMMA which was like $60), but if they didn't work for you, then you need to go out, and approach a lot (and you actually need the time to do this) Post field reports and get feedback from the tribe elders here. That's how I got pretty decent at this PUA thing.

My biggest fear is waking up at 30 years old working for a boss, I understand its for some people, thats fine. If that were me though, all my current feeling would amplify by 100X worse.

like I said, its the '9-5 = slavery' meme again lol. If you examine your true feelings (not the ones put into you by those lifestyle entrepreneurs that want you to buy their course...ya know. The tim ferriss types), you'll see that you don't actually feel that way lol.

I never had a job where bosses respected the people they hired

You are there as a means to and end. Provide a service (doing something you enjoy makes the experience go a lot more enjoyable) and get the money you need to spend on the things you want in life. Whether your boss or your clients/partners respect you or not, should be irrelevant. Fuck you pay me

 

[Troy]

@Velasco

and feels like his running out of time to do the things he actually wants in life. Please correct me if I'm wrong here

Yeah I am definitely running out of time. I missed out on the opportunity to do a lot of things kids do in high school, parties and a lot of dates, missed high school prom because my parents did not have money to get me a nice pair of shoes. All the other guys had money to get nice clothes and I had raggidy clothes.

I missed out on College, because I did not have enough money to go. All my friends graduated from college in 2018 and 2019 and I have not yet attended a single class or experienced any regular college parties. I missed out on a whole lot growing up. What was the main reason for that aside from getting bullied?

Not having the right setup, lack of money or resources. If I had the money I would have gone to college and gotten the opportunity to enjoy frat parties and mingle more with girls. So see I now being 24 years old, I look up and I have zero time to waste. I vividly remember being 18 years old back in 2014. And then I look, 6 years has passed so fast. So hence why I am busy. If I am not careful and work consistently day and night to create the life I want, another 6 years could pass and I wake up at 30 years old, grumpy and miserable. Which is why I focus so much time now on:

1. Lifting weights
2. Eating healthy
3. Working on my business
4. Doing my extreme best to at least keep in contact with girls and set up dates

What I came to realize is I can only keep doing my best with the resources I have or I can make excuses. So I choose to take action despite all the setbacks so far.

As for being in complete control of your income, It doesn't seem that way because I see that you have to rely on others, and can only hope for the best.

Yeah you are right. I am in some way relying on my 3 business partners to get clients. It's only a temporary solution I hope. My goal is once things get rolling and I have the capital to pay for my rent and food I would quit my job and take things more in my hands to also go get clients. That 9 hours I spend at my job each day is the biggest killer to my business so far.

What you need to understand is, that all your parents want is for you to be making money and being on your own (so it not that they hate you because you didn't want to be a lawyer/doctor/high status job like they wanted you to be...especially when they compare your status with the their friend's kids). That is where the negativity is comes from. They love you and really want what's best for you...even if you can't see that right now

Yeah I cannot see that right now that they care. Obviously something I wrote made you pick up on the fact they truly love and care for me. I really do hope one day I come to realize that for myself.

It's interesting the alternatives to entreprenurship you've chosen. Besides climbing the job ladder, they are also careers that have a really low percentage of "making it". I feel that you hate climbing the job ladder (again feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) because you, like many guys our age, got memed into thinking 9-5 job = slave. Entrepreneurship/starting a startup is the only path to true freedom. And climbing the job ladder, is really about just doing a really good job at what you do (you like creating things, so it really shouldn't be difficult to do a great job here), and then being good friends with the higher ups (people skills. Ya know? kind of like the thing PUA teaches

Yeah I absolutely hate climbing the corporate ladder. I see people in my company literally throwing each other under the bus. I did not want to be like them. I see wanna be managers looking for the slightest opportunity to get someone else in trouble or point out someone else's flaws so it can lead to the other getting documented and ultimately fired.

I have personally witnessed at 3 of my past jobs this same thing happening. And the persons who are willing to do this and kiss up to their managers are the ones I see getting promotions. So that turned me off completely from ever wanting to be in a manager position at a company. It would be much easier for me to build my own company and instill the value that each person should help the other.

Plus I want the lifestyle business freedom, I cannot stand being stuck around a corner desk for another 40 years, I am too freespirited and I'd love to travel to at least 100 countries in the next 2 decades or so. A 2 weeks vacation per year will not get me that. I gotta go make big things happen as an entrepreneur

You are there as a means to and end. Provide a service (doing something you enjoy makes the experience go a lot more enjoyable) and get the money you need to spend on the things you want in life. Whether your boss or your clients/partners respect you or not, should be irrelevant. Fuck you pay me

I totally agree!

 

[Velasco]

I missed out on the opportunity to do a lot of things kids do in high school, parties and a lot of dates, missed high school prom

If I had the money I would have gone to college and gotten the opportunity to enjoy frat parties and mingle more with girls

Yeah. None of that shit matters. Sorry. Why? Because it's the past (I missed out on all those things too btw. And I also grew up with poor reglious parents in a dysfunctional environment).

All you should be focused on is the present (Power Of Now, yo! ).

Presently what I see, is that your set up is only leaving you 8 hours to do all of the things which makes us happy and productive. Sufficent sleep (alert), sex and companionship with your girl(s) (relaxed), exercise (#1 cure to depression) and eat healthy (feeling good, not lethargic. You know that feeling you get after eating fast food, right? ).

And that is simply because right now there is a lot of time you spend doing things you dont want to do, leaving you less time to the things you actually want to do.

What I came to realize is I can only keep doing my best with the resources I have or I can make excuses. So I choose to take action despite all the setbacks so far

Yes. But realizing "taking action" doesnt necessarily entail stay on the same path despite the setbacks. You want to get to your destination. Thats the goal. If one path doesnt look like it's working out, there is no shame in going a separate path to reach your destination. All roads lead to Rome

Yeah you are right. I am in some way relying on my 3 business partners to get clients. It's only a temporary solution I hope. My goal is once things get rolling and I have the capital to pay for my rent and food I would quit my job and take things more in my hands to also go get clients. That 9 hours I spend at my job each day is the biggest killer to my business so far

That is a good plan And I hope for your sake it pans out so you won't need to abandon this path to get to your destination.

Yeah I cannot see that right now that they care. Obviously something I wrote made you pick up on the fact they truly love and care for me. I really do hope one day I come to realize that for myself.

It will happen a lot sooner than you realize. Trust me. But for now, dont give them a hard time even if you cant tell they love you right now. Be loving to them regardless of how they've been to you in the past. Because you dont know for how much longer they will be around. When they're gone, they're gone forever.

I see people in my company literally throwing each other under the bus. I did not want to be like them

You dont have to be like them. Be friendly with everyone, avoid bad mouthing anyone and keep to yourself mostly. Really just comes down to not giving anyone a reason to want to throw you under the bus.

the persons who are willing to do this and kiss up to their managers are the ones I see getting promotions. So that turned me off completely from ever wanting to be in a manager position at a company.

I am not recommending a manager position in a company for you lol. Just be friendly with your bosses, and do a great job at what you were hired to do, and you'll be rewarded in ways where you dont need to manage people if you dont want to (flexible schedule, higher pay etc).

Plus I want the lifestyle business freedom, I cannot stand being stuck around a corner desk for another 40 years, I am too freespirited and I'd love to travel to at least 100 countries in the next 2 decades or so. A 2 weeks vacation per year will not get me that. I gotta go make big things happen as an entrepreneur

Theres that 9-5 meme again lol. Really the only guys that hate their 9-5 job are people paid to do shit they hate (because its tedious/boring/too repetitive etc). The others who dont complain (and you'll never hear about these guys in the lifestyle entrepreneur's sale pitch), are those who legit love doing what they do, and understand that it's just a means to an end.

For now, let's focus on working towards getting what you want first ("I want a nice apartment, car and a sweet girlfriend while I continue to persue my other passions in life".). Then we'll see if you still want to travel to 100+ different countries

 

[Mr STIF]

Hi Troy, I finished college 2016 but I found gc 2015. I invited girls from social circles home, except for some that I cold approached. Let's just say I got lucky with some girls I pulled home and I was wondering if I mastered doing cold approaches how many more I would bed.

I was terrible at the cold approach and lacked self confidence. Staying with my parents, I couldn't pull girls home the way I did when I had an apartment to myself while in school.

So I tried to work on my fundamentals, I practiced cold approach for the most part of 2017 and 2018. I practiced getting contact info, reaching the hook with several women.

Now, I'm pretty good at it that's why I'm currently working and saving some money to move out of my parent's house. I'm in Nigeria, my parents hold appointments in the Church and they won't pardon my hedonistic lifestyle.

I also went on an internship at a Social media agency 2019, four months. But to develop my digital skills and put me on a level where I have to earn I need to have data, electric power supply, an apartment where I can work without disturbance, some gadgets and enough time to follow through. And all these requires money.

I realized this and decided to take a break from SMM, while I save money to get a quiet place where I can master my seduction skills, as well as, my digital skills.

You're not alone, brother.