The Traffic Light Method is weak and gay. Respect senior members

[Rakkum]

Even once I'd settled the worst of it down (and I eventually got some of the troublemakers on my side enough that they actually went from interrupting me and causing problems to helping me keep the rest of the class in line... which was rewarding, I will say),

How did you achieve that?

 

[Chase]

Being firm with them, then challenging them:

"Hey, don't do that. Don't interrupt. Tell you what, why don't you take the next section. Let's see how you do." Specifically looking for a way to either help guide him to better understand it, or for him to do something well so I can praise him.

If they get something wrong, guide them the same way as any kid. Praise them on the stuff they get right. Same as any kid.

I think a lot of teachers get mad at the problem students and try to tune them out. So when problem students do stuff RIGHT, they are not paying attention (because they are tuning them out), and do not give them positive reinforcement.

IME, being firm on disciplinary issues, then giving them a chance to do something good, and praising them when they did, really seemed to wake something up in them.

Chase

 

[trashKENNUT]

I like Chase anacdotes.

I think i should share my teaching experience and handling politics in media or when you are a young teacher like i was.

Maybe it could help.

 

[Rain]

In addition to what @Carousel said -- "conceivably could" does not mean "can right now with your given skill set, fundamentals, and mental frame."

Okay so you and Carousel mean that about 'flipping reds' is advanced game stuff. That said, a woman in a LTR and happy would be a big red, and with enough advanced stuff, could be flipped.
But if you screen for a LTR properly as Razorjack talked about, she shouldn't be flippable.
Which has more likely outcome?
ie Does advanced game[conceivably get ANY girl] outrank and > LTR screen or does LTR screen outrank > advanced game?
The former means you can get any girl, and LTR are most likely doomed to fail if you want monogamy and have any advanced guys after your girl.
The latter means LTR screening means no matter how advanced a guy wants your girl, its highly unlikely she would give in to him.
But which is it? Which one "wins" more often than not?

 

[Rakkum]

Being firm with them, then challenging them:

Excellent, thanks!

During my military training I ended up being in charge of platoon composed mostly of guys with whom I was together in basic training. Being firm but still looking after guys as much as I could kept me in a good position.

I think a lot of teachers get mad at the problem students and try to tune them out. So when problem students do stuff RIGHT, they are not paying attention (because they are tuning them out), and do not give them positive reinforcement.

That's insightful. How much of your success in situations like this and life in general would you put to having high levels of empathy?

 

[trashKENNUT]

During my military training I ended up being in charge of platoon

Curious. Just sidenote here.

You were in the military? I was in the paramilitary in Asia. Doing support for rescue.

Nothing crazy like the ones shown on social media.

What did you do?

 

[Chase]

@ZacAdam,

I think i should share my teaching experience and handling politics in media or when you are a young teacher like i was.

Maybe it could help.

Could be great! Stories are excellent learning vehicles.


@Rain,

Okay so you and Carousel mean that about 'flipping reds' is advanced game stuff. That said, a woman in a LTR and happy would be a big red, and with enough advanced stuff, could be flipped.
But if you screen for a LTR properly as Razorjack talked about, she shouldn't be flippable.
Which has more likely outcome?

In theory, there is a way to change anyone's mind about anything.

There are various ways to accomplish this: persuasion, rhetoric, brainwashing, compliance, confusion, excitement, exemplification, dramatic experiences, many others.

A woman you've screened properly for qualities that predispose her to fidelity will generally have low odds for straying, unless the relationship really starts to fall apart, or she puts herself into situations that expose her to frequent infidelity risks... or if you in fact did NOT screen properly.

I talked about screening to avoid unfaithful women in these articles:

How to Prevent Cheating by Your Girlfriend

Yesterday I made a post on the infamous scenario of when a girl has a boyfriend and you want to date her or get together with her anyway. As you might expect (though I admittedly hadn't really thought about before making the post), some guys got upset and one of them responded with, and I...

www.girlschase.com

Why I Quit Dating Girls Who Club, Party, or Drink

Something I've been asked from time to time on this site (most recently in a forum post by one of our members here) is why I don't date girls who club, party, drink, or have "girls' nights out". The questions you most frequently get about this are: Doesn't every girl do these things? Who cares...

www.girlschase.com

How Many Partners Has Your Girlfriend Had? Find Out Here

Here's a post that's sure to raise some ire. Ricardus and I were discussing men's tendency to want to sleep with sexually open women, but to date or settle down with or marry sexually conservative women - and how difficult it is actually figuring out how many partners women have actually had...

www.girlschase.com

How to Screen for a Wife and Mother

Beyond dates and girlfriends, what should you look for in a wife? 6 things: genes, background, personality, beliefs, age, and life goals. Bit of a departure from our usual fare, but commenting on “Why Madonna/Whore is Intimately Linked with the West”, Jimbo asks: “What kind of girl and where to...

www.girlschase.com

But nothing is 100%. The better you are at screening, and the better you are at relationship management, and the more attractive a man you are ('attractive' here meaning the full gamut of qualities women consider attractive... as well as whichever qualities your particular woman prioritizes), the closer to 100% you get.

ie Does advanced game[conceivably get ANY girl] outrank and > LTR screen or does LTR screen outrank > advanced game?

If we view them as something you either have or you don't, then sure, LTR screen trumps advanced game.

If you do not or cannot screen your women for fidelity, then when you end up with a girlfriend who's been with 100 guys, took a cumshot from a celebrity, been spit-roasted by her two last boyfriends and their pals, parties every weekend without you, takes frequent girls-only trips to party destinations, and considers monogamy outdated, the other guy doesn't even need particularly advanced game to get her. He just has to be there and make a few moves.

Versus if you've picked a quiet, incurious virgin who never goes out to parties and lives for her man and is very happy with you, and you keep her busy raising your 15 kids, even a guy with very advanced game will struggle with her... he probably won't ever even meet her. She'll be too busy breastfeeding your two latest kids and taking her folic acid supplements to make sure her next Rain Jr. doesn't get spina bifida.

Now... if Mr. Advanced Game meets your pregnant wife in the club pounding back a shot with her girlfriends, that's a different story (also: why is she drinking while pregnant? Let's not get into that though...).

For practical purposes, women you meet out and about, especially if they are in social venues like bars, nightclubs, coffee shops, networking events, etc., are often going to be game, even if they are harder to get. Populations of women you meet on the street or elsewhere during the day will contain some women who will be more closed than the average of the populations of women you meet in social venues.

So it is at once both possible to say "Almost any girl in the club is game, with sufficient advanced game + time + a little luck" and at the same time say "There are women you are probably never going to get, such as a sexually milquetoast, moderate drive chick who is happy with and attracted to her husband and is anyway too busy with childbirth and childcare to meet men."

Yet, even those women in that latter category sometimes have their trysts with the repairman... nothing is ever 100%...

That might be the hardest thing for guys to deal with, I think -- the uncertainty.

There are a lot of guys who look at things in black and white. They want you to say "It is either THIS, or it is THAT."

But in seduction, it all depends... And it ALWAYS depends...

The former means you can get any girl, and LTR are most likely doomed to fail if you want monogamy and have any advanced guys after your girl.
The latter means LTR screening means no matter how advanced a guy wants your girl, its highly unlikely she would give in to him.
But which is it? Which one "wins" more often than not?

Again, you are thinking about it in black and white.

"Either you can get any girl and relationships are doomed. Or you cannot get girls, and relationships are secure."

You could date a super slutty reformed party girl and she might never cheat. She might even meet an incredibly sexy guy with advanced game and still not cheat!

Likewise, you could bring your game to bear on a super conservative, sexually incurious, faithful, contented, happy wife, and she ends up draining your balls that night, no advanced game even needed.

In both seduction and relationships, you must do things that improve the probability of you achieving the outcome you want to achieve.

Yet, all these things you are doing, involve yourself, the woman or women you are doing them with, the other men who want or have a stake in those women, the environments those women are in or enter into, the other people in those environments and what they put on the women, and more.

There is no black-white answer.

It is all shades of gray.

Everything life is changing and impermanent. Your relationships may last or they may not. Your woman may be faithful or she may not. Your game may get the girl or it may not.

And you do not complete control over any of those outcomes, nor can you ever get it.

All you have is probabilities and likelihoods.


@Rakkum,

During my military training I ended up being in charge of platoon composed mostly of guys with whom I was together in basic training. Being firm but still looking after guys as much as I could kept me in a good position.

Yes, it's a great secret of good leadership, isn't it?

"Nice but firm."

The secret formula for getting people to behave well, fall in line, and actually be happy to do it.

Unfortunate that most people only ever seem to grasp one half of the formula or the other. Good on you to have figured it out.

Learn that from a superior, a father figure, figure it out on your own...? Often it seems like there is some formative experience that helps a guy realize being either just nice or just firm is not enough.

That's insightful. How much of your success in situations like this and life in general would you put to having high levels of empathy?

Oh man, I don't know.

I will say empathy has been important for me in a.) making things easier for me than they are for many people, and b.) helping out in the edge cases, like a major romantic relationship or business relationship problem where you're seemingly at an impasse and you have to break through on something.

Girls Chase is obviously an empathy-driven business, due to me looking at the seduction market as it existed and saying "There are some unmet needs here a lot of guys have that we need to cater to", then pulling other guys aboard and communicating the mission in a way that gelled with those guys' own personal missions.

I think it's always important to differentiate "sympathy" from "empathy", because people often confuse the two.

Empathy is very good.

Sympathy is also good, unless your empathy is misfiring and you are overly sympathetic to the wrong people.

A lot of manipulative people will try to play on your sympathetic heart strings -- and you actually need more empathy to NOT feel sympathy for them.

So there is a weird effect here of:

• Manipulative person cannot manipulate psychopath, because psychopath doesn't feel sympathy (even if he empathizes very well)
• Manipulative person can manipulate person with normal empathy, who can be made to feel sympathy
• Manipulative person cannot manipulate sympathetic person with high empathy, who sees through the attempt so does not feel sympathy

When people say "I'm such a softie, I have too much empathy" they are really saying "I have normal levels of empathy but an excess of sympathy."

Bit of a tangent there. Am I derailing my own thread? Looks like maybe?

Anyway! What success I have had, yes, I would say empathy has played a role.

How much % I give to empathy alone... impossible to separate.

Rhetoric, ability to make an argument, tell a compelling story, paint a clear picture, these have all been important to me in accomplishing many things. Empathy is very important to these as well -- you must understand how your listener will interpret what you are about to say.

Even in writing this post. Now that I know you are a military guy, my writing here is a little shorter, a little brusquer, and a bit more prosaic. It's a reply to you, so it should be in a style that feels more familiar to you. And I know a short, brusque, prosaic style is more likely to be familiar than, say, something flowery and grand.

It is a common thread that runs through what I do... peering into the minds of others and best-guessing how they are likely to feel about various things, and often (but not always) being right about that. Then using that to determine courses of action.

For anyone interested in the subject, here's my article on developing your empathy:

Can You Develop More Empathy? Science Suggests "Yes"

Empathy is a twisty topic, and one that's often hung with mounds of cultural baggage. The politically correct party line at the moment is, "All empathy is good; all lack of empathy is bad, bad, BAD." The truth of the matter is a bit more complicated than this (decidedly unempathetic)...

www.girlschase.com

But then you come back to "How much of a success can we say Chase is? And is he a good model for that?"

I still have quite a lot still left to do at this point. So I guess we will see!

Chase

 

[Rain]

For practical purposes, women you meet out and about, especially if they are in social venues like bars, nightclubs, coffee shops, networking events, etc., are often going to be game, even if they are harder to get. Populations of women you meet on the street or elsewhere during the day will contain some women who will be more closed than the average of the populations of women you meet in social venues.

So it is at once both possible to say "Almost any girl in the club is game, with sufficient advanced game + time + a little luck" and at the same time say "There are women you are probably never going to get, such as a sexually milquetoast, moderate drive chick who is happy with and attracted to her husband and is anyway too busy with childbirth and childcare to meet men."

With the first paragraph, I thought coffee shops/cafes were more applicable to meeting a good LTR as opposed to a bar/club, but you've put them in the same group? Or did I misunderstand what you meant in this context?

You also mention the uncertainty, that's true and I'm not sure I like it. But as you said probabilities/likelihoods. Also never being in complete control of it. I don't like it but yeah, very good point and very good post about it.

 

[BigPapa]

With the first paragraph, I thought coffee shops/cafes were more applicable to meeting a good LTR as opposed to a bar/club, but you've put them in the same group? Or did I misunderstand what you meant in this context?

It is just more likely to find a girl at a cafe alone , or something along that line , that is single or in a relationship that is not in the best shape , than one that is in a good relationship . I mean if the relationship was ok she would not be in the first place there alone.

Same thing with bars & clubs , sure you will find a lot of social butterflies & party girls , but this girls are quite easily to spot as they just know a lot of people ( staff , people that go there often , etc ) . This does not mean that you can not find a LTR material girl there , and also this ones are quite easily to spot as they will not be at ease with the environment , having drunk people around , etc . In this night places you have a lot of normal girls who are just there because they are meeting friends , celebrating a birthday & other normal social stuff.

Now let's say that indeed you screened her perfect & she is still approached by Mr. Advanced . The worst thing that can happen is for her to start drama with you & acting like a bitch , not because she wants to find an excuse to dump you , but because unconsciously she wants to know that you are the best guy for her , basically testing you to see how much a man you are . If you show attractive qualities & show that you care about her , she will temper and go back to normal , if you start supplicating & being needy or just showing that you do not really care about her , then she will start considering the other guy .

The truth is that all the relationships that end badly is the guy fault due to failing to lead . Women are the followers no matter what society says ( is an unciousios biological thing on her part ) . This is why it is super important never to become lazy & becoming an unattractive guy & always focus on maintaining at least your attractiveness level that you have now in a relationship . You usually hear when the girl is braking up with you something along the line " you are not the same guy that you were when I met you " .

The most brutal thing that I ever heard from a girl was " When I met you were making me wet only by touching my arm a little , but now I just do not get wet for you" . That was quite harsh and basically made me redesign my whole relationship management architecture . Best things are learned in the most brutal conditions

The brutal truth is that thinking about other guys trying to game your girlfriend will not really take you anywhere , on the contrary , you will just go mad. The better looking she is , the more guys will want to have sex with her. Sure some of them will not really do anything , but some will actually try to game her , and since you are dealing with exponential growth ( guys who will try to pick up her ) it is nothing really that you can do except screening her very well & remaining at least with the same level attractiveness ( ideally would be to improve attractiveness even while in an LTR ) .

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

You are anything but peaceful. You attempt to dictate the discussion here in order for it to suit your sensibilities, much like the current generation snowflake university students want trigger warnings and safe-spaces to be shielded from facts or speakers that offend them. Here in Norway we have even gotten some rules that teachers must "respect" the kids - how is this even to be interpreted?

Yesterday Bacchus pointed out in a totally calm way that you prefer to talk about your problems rather than act. You called this an "insult".

Maybe you should go somewhere else if your psyche can't even handle somebody pointing out what you are doing wrong, or not doing at all.

I do not know of one member of this entire forum, mod or not, who is overly sensitive as you. I think you should work on that, really really work on that.

Actually Halvor, I think you should get mentoring from Skills, he is a lot more credible and from my view has a lot to teach you, it will pay dividends and will even improve your image. You might gain more credibility and more of an audience for future coaching sessions, look into it man, we all want what's best for you

 

[Carousel]

You might gain more credibility and more of an audience for future coaching sessions, look into it man, we all want what's best for you

FYI: I am not into the coaching business.

 

[Chase]

@Oh Pry,

I do not know of one member of this entire forum, mod or not, who is overly sensitive as you. I think you should work on that, really really work on that.

@Carousel told you his opinion that forum members who cause a lot of drama are dragging the place down for the rest of guys who really want to learn.

That hit a nerve with you, you started calling him sensitive, and attacking his credentials and credibility.

This smacks of the flame wars you have repeatedly gotten into, again and again, with senior members, over the years here.

I strongly suggest you stick to the Field Reports board for a while, until you can keep things on a more chill level.

(and I know, you believe more experienced guys just gang up on you and pick on you for no reason, you have said this repeatedly over the years. I think reality is different from how you perceive it -- but even if that is true, that you are some kind of weird magnet who morphs otherwise cool guys into mean bullies, having that kind of 'bully-morpher' around is a problem in itself. The whole thing in this thread kicked off because I was telling guys to cool it on getting into it with senior members, and then you came on here and said "Senior members are the ones who need to cool it!" So very naturally it is going to snowball from there -- you sought it out, poked at it, and got it. Anyway -- I do not want to keep seeing this. Stop provoking this stuff, man)

Chase

EDIT: also you have been doing this weird thing where you are telling @Carousel and @Bacchus they need to "learn from" @Skills. You are not in a position to be telling either guy he needs to learn from anyone. I doubt Skills wants to be dragged into this one-upmanship you are attempting to pull off here either.

Seriously dude. Cool it. It is annoying me.

I think I am more annoyed than Carousel is. Carousel is just like "whatever" (I am totally confused by you interpreting his reactions as sensitivity, btw. Have you met this dude? He is like the Terminator. No emotion. No mercy. No remorse).

But this is wasting my time, me having to come here and deal with yet another round of Oh Pry drama.

(and at this point, I don't care who started it -- if it happens whenever you are around, then you are the problem, regardless whether you blame Carousel or Bacchus or Estate or Flames or whoever else you're getting into it with of late. Maybe you really are some weird bully-morpher, like one of those guys with a very punchable face or something. But whatever it is, you need to get it solved before you get a longer ban... or a more permanent one)

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Yeah, I did get into with Hector, Estate, and others in the past. The thing is, that was very different than this here, we fought and had our arguments but for the large part, it wasn't anything that personal. We all exchanged PMs, wished each other the best, and even got advice from each other. A number of us even got buddy buddy with each other and brushed it off, as men do. I cannot respectfully say the same right now. Back then I was public enemy number 1 but it just so happens that the guy who targeted me is the same one butting heads with others at the same time.

Most of all, I have felt very very disrespected by you Chase. My contributions to this forum for 6 years have made guys say to me over PM that they created a new account because of my journey, ask me for advice, and some even stayed here because of me. I gave life-changing advice to the very guys who write articles for your site, something they thanked me for. I have met up with men who join this forum and introduced them to NYC and its prime spots when they were new here, they have a good impression of this site because of that. I even paid to be a member so I do not have to limit myself to 10 articles a month but even that ended recently.

I get it, you have to play favorites because there is a vision you have of the site and where you want it to go. I name-dropped @Skills because I saw the man time and time again demonstrate the kind of intuition, calibration, and maturity I think others transitioning over can learn from. See, me and him also butt heads but we move on from it like real men do.

I don't even know what kind of bear I poked, a care bear? Winnie the Pooh? It was not a fucking grizzly and I know that for a fact!

Most of all, I am angry that despite the value I have added here through my lay reports and other means, I do not get the respect I deserve and your post was so fucking disrespectful Chase. Yeah I might whine but that's the human in me saying no matter how good you get, you'll always have your struggles because self-improvement is a never-ending journey and we all have a lot to learn. I have felt so disrespected by you and some recently that I feel like I know what is going on.

A rift is happening and you are playing favorites, it's pretty fucking clear, maybe because of some shit behind the doors that we do not have knowledge of. The very people who for years added value and made this forum into what it is are now treated unfairly, even when we get attacked out of the blue. Sedfast came to us, we didn't go to them. Obviously, there is something that was not going right at Sedfast so maybe they can learn something themselves.

If what I said was so provocative, attack the point, don't attack me, that's where @Skills has something to teach us!

I get that what is going on is some behind the door shit and I am not going to be treated like this, I am done here. I don't care if I get permanently banned, it matters little to me. This will be my very last post on this forum period so ban me for good if you like dude.

Guys, it was nice knowing all of you and this is not a decision that came easy for me. I am done with this forum for good and forever, however it turns out we will see but I will not be around for it.

Good riddance.

 

[trashKENNUT]

I get that what is going on is some behind the door shit

Er reality is different.

"Sometimes my teammates don't tell me things"
- Captain America

 

[DarkKnight]

@Oh Pry dude honestly you are SUPER overreacting. The man has been extremely lenient to you from the very beginning. Look man I know you are a great guy underneath, but honestly you need to learn some introspection because at the moment you're play is writing a lot of text and changing the narrative in your favour. But it doesn't work like that. We make value judgements as well and can see right from wrong.

The ban you received weeks ago was still written in a style where you saw that Chase means you well and was actually reluctant to make that move. But you are forcing his hand over and over again.

How about you just cool down (because he is still obviously giving a chance), lay low for a while, stick to field reports or chat, don't get involved in superdrama, we all forget this over time and just get along.

 

[Train]

I think you're value-added here, Oh Pry. I think others appreciate your contributions too.

I would say to focus on discussions and not people. That's the best way to not rub anyone off the wrong way. Otherwise, the egos come into play more and it gets chaotic.

I think so long as you do this, you're golden.

As an example, I saw how the traffic lights thread got derailed. I could have policed and judged people in there. But I didn't. Because I knew it would add to the chaos.

 

[Mr.Rob]

@Oh Pry your a loser. You've always been one. I hope you get banned permanently for that one.

You just did twice the exact thing this post was saying to knock off. If you had any degree of social calibration and awareness you would've been humble and deferred with "yeah your right my bad". You think your hot shit for some reason I'm not sure why given your kind of the laughing stock of the boards (maybe you don't realize that).

If you had any real self respect and love for your fellow GC members you'd ban yourself until you finally get it together.

 

[Skills]

I think you're value-added here, Oh Pry. I think others appreciate your contributions too.

I would say to focus on discussions and not people. That's the best way to not rub anyone off the wrong way. Otherwise, the egos come into play more and it gets chaotic.

I think so long as you do this, you're golden.

As an example, I saw how the traffic lights thread got derailed. I could have policed and judged people in there. But I didn't. Because I knew it would add to the chaos.

^ there you go! easy eh! i don't care to be name dropped since i am neutral in the conflict, i like everybody here... The only reason i got minimally involved privately with bigpapa and opry is to stop the back and forth in the matter, when i was CONTACTED and asked for advise or contacted to say good bye. Also i am a regular on forums, so is on my best interest to keep the flaw and good posters to be attracted and not leave such as razorjack, if we are going to make this work...

I hope oh pry does not leave he has good points when he does not get involve in the flame wars, and by the way if i am not mistakes the one getting laid the most as of late in this forum...

I told you before o pry to not leave just re consider and don't engage in flame wars...

when in the last forum they started banning problem posters(not to be confused with trolls) such as ijjjji, chi, teevester, nwp, even indirectly bd etc.... the forum went to shit cause a lot did not like how things when down, at the end the people that campaign to get people banned.... after they got banned stop posting anyways.... some people just need constant conflict or drama in forums to post, no to mention any names they know who they are.

if here we start repeating the history with natural mike, o pry etc... then????

- I also notice a bunch of instigators (total feminine behavior btw)

-and last time i checked the dude that has been getting LAID the most as of late is o pry.

discuss the points and not each other...

- posters warning signs

here is a post i made on dealing with conflict:

What is discussion?
dis•cus•sion/disˈkəSHən/
Noun: a.- The action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.
b.- A conversation or debate about a certain topic.

1. – When having a discussion: Research the person background, experience, personality etc… This will help you get a sense of who you are having a discussion with. Just by doing this simple step you avoid wasting a lot of your time.

2. – Do not take things personal: Discuss the content of the message or discussion, instead of getting PERSONAL, is not personal is the freaking internet.

3. – Be Humble: Maybe all along what you thought it was factual may have some flaws or be inaccurate. It is ok to be in the wrong, give credit and apologize if you are wrong. Even after a heated debate.

4. – Learn how to forgive, forget and flood: It is not worth to hate somebody even on the internet, when you hate you only are hurting yourself. You never know what the other person is going through or who the other person is.

5. – There is never a winner in a fight: If you win you lose, cause you make the other person look bad. If you lose you lose. I think is from the book “How To Win Friends And Influence People” that I saw a tale along this lines: “there was a dead man on the road, he was having an argument with another dude, he was right, 100% correct but now he is dead on the road”

6. – Be a Leader(from How to win friends and influence people): How to Change People Without Giving Offense or Arousing Resentment
1. Begin with praise and honest appreciation.
2. Call attention to people’s mistakes indirectly.
3. Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.
4. Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.
5. Let the other person save face.
6. Praise every improvement.
7. Give the other person a fine reputation to live up to.
8. Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.
9. Make the other person happy about doing what you suggest.

7. – Ignore the troll: I will admit I have a problem ignoring trolls, since I like trolling trolls myself. But the right way to handle trollers is to IGNORE THEM, Chief has a post on the subject here:
how-to-handle-trolls-read-before-participating-in-the-forum-vt126545.html

8. – Give people the benefit of the doubt: Do not assume someone is a kj, or guru, or afc or mpua, or nerd or natural, or scam. Try not to label, or if you disagree on something and you will label, at least pm them first, to explain the position you do not agree with.

9. – Avoid group theory: Some dudes and it happens in all aspects of life. Form little groups so they get together and have a “group mentality and influence each other” part of being a leader, alpha, a mature individual, is to think for yourself and draw your own conclusions. Look what happened for example in Germany with Hitler, skin heads, Democrats, Republicans etc… They always fuck up or have fucked up for the inability of people in those particular institutions to think for themselves. BE AN INDEPENDENT!

10. – Sometimes you have to fight back: After you have tried everything else and is not working at some point, if you try to avoid a fight and the dude keeps amoging you then you have to fight back. When you figtht back try not to hit under the belt, be the grown up. But you do have to hit really hard(punch them in the nose), so they do not mess with you again…

 

[Chase]

@Oh Pry,

I'm sorry you felt disrespected.

Obviously that was not my intention. Nor, I don't think, do the other guys commenting here see it that way.

Regardless, I think splitting off is possibly a good call. At least till you're in a different place / better head space than now.

You have distinct needs that this forum has always struggled to meet. I'm certain, however, there is a place out there that is ideal for you.

Anyway, for the value you've provided, the guys you've helped or inspired, I say cheers, man.

All the best going forward.

Chase

 

[Ree]

Pretty soon we will be arguing the esoteric principles of Traffic Lights: "I wouldn't say that girl was a Red. More like a deep Mauve, with shades of Aquamarine."

hilarious