Or how about the super hot raven-haired girl I picked up in VIP, who gave me the most marginal, neutral conversation when I approached, then ignored me. I reopened her a few times, she'd give me some basic, neutral conversation, then her friends would pull her away, because it was her birthday and she was the center of attention. I'd go in, again, get her talk a bit, again, then she'd ignore me again... at one point one of her friends, this tall, muscular dude with a goatee, took me aside to tell me, "She's not interested man, you should leave it alone." I was on a mission that night, the rest of the club had nothing to offer me, and I wanted a real skill test, so regardless, I kept at it. I hung in there, got her talking more; she refused to leave VIP with me, but started to warm up to me. Then, late in the night, she disappeared. The friend of hers who told me to leave earlier found me and told me he was impressed and didn't think I could pull it off but it was looking like maybe I could so I should keep at it. I found her making out with some other guy in a stairwell. That guy left; I pulled her in and got her kissing me. Then she ran off again; I found her on top of the bar downstairs making out with and straddling a girl, a crowd of maybe 15 people around her (mostly guys) as the club was letting out. Finally separated her (worried the whole time that bouncers or other guys would stop me from getting her, thinking I was some random guy who did not know her going for the bisexual makeout girl... but no one did), got her outside with me; she kept yelling, "I want to fuck her! I want to FUCK her!" Then the other girl came outside, I tried to not let my girl see, but she did, and ran off to her again, grabbed her and made out with her. Finally that girl's friends appeared and dragged her off into a cab. I scooped up my girl, who was complaining about losing this girl she wanted to fuck, got her out of there before someone else would pop up to interrupt, and took her home. It was probably the single most exhausting pickup I have ever had.
Great story about resilience . Truly inspirational
But do not take me wrong Chase , I believe that there were other aspects that should be taken into consideration besides you being super resilient
(almost to the point of Leonidas standing with his 300 against the Persian army ) , like her maybe being a little bit crazy . I am just speculating here based on my experience when I was on a partying spree for like 1.5 years after I ended my 4 years relationship and seen a lot of crazy things .
As an example , I had this back and forth with a girl but not really going anywhere . At some point I call her and say a very cheesy thing like " look I am flying away , and I am super afraid of flights because if something happens for sure you will die , so if this happens I want to have my heart clear and want to see you one last time before I leave tomorrow morning " . She comes directly to my place and gives me 4h of LMR ( she was running naked through my place for like 2h while giggling , i was taking her pants down , she would put them on again and so on) , I am the point to give up but she receives a text from her ex saying that he can not meet her . Magically after this the LMR disappears. In the morning she gives me a lift to the airport and while in the car I asked her what changed her mind . She starts telling me that she wanted to remain "pure" for her ex and bla bla , but when she received the text late in the night she realized that he might loose me over someone that does not care about her .
This turned into a great relationship , but again even though I played almost perfect game from the moment I met her till slept with her and was reading like crazy GC ( which btw thank you ! ) because sometimes she would just out game and take me by surprise ( she was quite an experienced lady ) , the truth is that at the end of the day what changed everything was that text ( basically shattered her LMR ) .
This happened like 6 years ago , and more or less that was the moment when I truly realized that you can "spit" the perfect game ever but still can not take the girl home and that this has nothing to do with you at all but with her.
Now reading this it just makes me laugh about what a girl means by "remaining pure" after BJ , fingers in the vagina , and so on.
For you yourself, I know you say you're good with girls. That might well be the case.
Me personally I am quite a pragmatic person , so I think is irrelevant what people say about themselves . His experiences & how he see things say more about a person than anything else. You know the old saying " you need to be a wolf to be able to spot another wolf"
In your specific case... I get it. You own your own business. You do well with girls. You are used to feeling like a pretty important guy in your own world. Then you come here and nobody knows who you are and you are having to build a rep up from scratch.
I do not have my own business , I am just an upper ranking corporate guy . To be frank I do not see any benefits at the moment to own my own business unless I want to settle somewhere & maybe at some point to want to have a family . At the moment companies pay for my relocation , give me a corporate expense card , pay for my rent & car , etc etc , and I just live the life ( now I am in country A , then I am in country B , etc ) .
It is actually a really interesting way of living when you are young , as you really experience a lot of things in the same time
Here's a video where a world famous violinist named Joshua Bell played in a metro station on a $3.5 million violin... and nobody noticed until some woman at the end. He made 32 bucks in 45 minutes of playing:
In the 45 minutes the musician played, only 6 people stopped and stayed for a while. About 20 gave him money but continued to walk their normal pace. He collected $32. When he finished playing and silence took over, no one noticed it. No one applauded, nor was there any recognition.
Great pearl !
If Joshua Bell got angry that no one was respecting him and started demanding people respect him, because he really knew violin, people would just think he was nuts.
Now, if he went there every day, and played every day, and word spread that this guy was a virtuoso, he would eventually develop a following.
A year in, everybody would know Joshua Bell plays at the metro station during rush hour. And he'd have a huge crowd every day.
Or, if there was a big marketing push, where they said "Joshua Bell will be giving a street concert in the D.C. Metro," he would've had a huge crowd waiting for him.
But if he just goes there, anonymous, with no indication who he is, even if he starts to tell people about himself when he gets there, it is going to take a while for people to believe him, or people to really know who he is.
This is how building clout in a new environment among a new group of people works.
If Richard Branson came here and started sharing pickup tips, it would take us a while to verify he was really Richard Branson.
Then once we had verified it, it would take us a while more to figure out if he was actually legit, or just using money or fame to get women.
He seems like a fiery guy so might well get kicked off for arguing with senior members before we even figured that out.
Maybe he has good things to share. He might have awesome things to share!
But there is a process you go through when you join a new community.
You will always start off as a stranger, unless you have some way for people to introduce you in, or it is some natural transition where the notoriety you've built other places lends itself to your establishment in the new place.
It might look like 'politics' to you that guys you do not agree with hold senior ranks.
It might look like politics that you are asked to be respectful toward them, even though YOU think they are full of shit.
That is just how it goes though when you join any place where you are new, and other people have been around for a long time.
If you run in, guns blazing, trying to take out the senior leadership, the senior leadership is going to close ranks and kick you out or clamp down.
This is how groups of humans work. All of them.
Only in systems with weak structures and crumbling leadership is a newbie able to join, start gunning for senior leadership, and take them out (thus elevating himself quickly to a senior position).
The leadership here is not weak, and reacts to challenges to seniors as any non-weak system will.
Speaking for myself only , it was never my intention and thought that is a place where people can have hearty & manly debates , and more or less a place where guys are pursuing the truth .
Don't take me wrong I agree totally with flipping a red , but it should also be mentioned that SOMETIMES YOU CAN , not saying just THAT YOU CAN, because guys who are not that advanced are not able to make the difference and it will just make them feel bad about themselves thinking that the super good guys know how to get any woman they want whenever they want .
But I think that is great that a person with your status on this forum made this remark , since more or less all this drama basically was sparked from a semantic misunderstanding , rather than people actually meaning that flipping a red is possible or not
Again , if I gave the wrong impression I am sorry as this was not my intention . Regarding the going up the ranks , I am interested only till I reach the point of where I can reply & open threads in the parts of the forum where you need at least a specific rank to be able to do this. Do not really care about getting fame and stuff like that. I would rather use my energy in other areas of my life ( no offense for the other guys who are more prone to this lifestyle than me )
Yet... imagine you are Michael Jordan.
There you are, trying to live your life.
Every time you set foot outside though, somebody on the street says, "Are you REALLY good at basketball? Because my friend said all those games on TV were FAKE. He said they just script those things for the ratings, and basketball players are actors. If you're REAL, then PROVE it. There's a basketball court right over there. Let's see you DO these things you say you can do!"
Michael Jordan spent decades proving himself.
He is over proving himself.
He does not want to prove himself. He has other things in his life he would rather do instead. Like eat a yummy burrito for lunch or go to his kid's school play. He does not want to carve hours a day out of his schedule to prove himself to everyone who needs him to prove himself afresh so that that one individual person will believe in him.
Again great pearl !
