THIS will stop you from watching porn forever!

[Chase]

Honestly I think that those girls might not be too ugly by US standards. Not to be rude but in Eastern Europe where I live, those girls are (as there is a saying in my country) "so ugly that they use them to chase away demons at the monastery" (is sounds super funny in Bulgarian )


Not sure if those are average for America but I'm shocked how some of you said that you'd sleep with any of them.

I think the case in America is that the States is suffering from what I call the "immigration beauty problem", in that because beautiful women and very handsome men usually have it pretty good in their home countries, their best moves tend to be to play it safe and move to the biggest city nearby to them where they can get the most mileage out of their looks with the least risk of having to learn a new culture, give up social circle benefits, start over and maybe not do as well, etc. Conversely, plain-looking or only moderately attractive people have more upside and less downside changing countries. I think that's why, for instance, you'll find strikingly beautiful Chinese girls in Chinese cities, but the Chinese populations in Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc. produce far less attractive women and lower average attractiveness in the attractive women they do produce than the Chinese mainland does. Same deal with white/black/Asian girls in the homelands vs. immigrant populations in the States. There are a lot more pretty white girls in France and Germany than there are in America, I find.

The other side of things is the obesity epidemic in America. In Eastern Europe, Asia, and other parts of the world, you don't award a girl any special points for being thin in your mind. Thin is just expected, and fat girls are both rare and funny novelties ("Whoa, look at that!!"). In America, you don't even realize it until you've been out of the country for a while, but you get trained to think of "chubby" as "average", and a girl just being thin awards her bonus points in your mind. You leave America for a few years and come back, and you find yourself distinctly unimpressed by the looks of your friends' girlfriends, but they're blissful because subconsciously they're giving her extra points for just not being fat.

So, effectively, you have a dating pool that's already somewhat lacking in the looks department compared to the various racial homelands, that's then further depleted with a number of women (who might otherwise be cute) lost to obesity. There are still very beautiful women in America on par with what you'll see in racial homelands, and you also don't see too many of the really heinously ugly Neanderthal-looking people that you will see in the poorer parts of almost every racial homeland too (I presume because they are too poor or uninformed / unconnected to move overseas) - it's just usually more of a mish-mash of way more plain Janes with less variation in looks. That influences a man's tastes in America, and pushes them down compared to where they'd be if he lived in, say, the Mediterranean, where his opinion on looks would be drawn from a broader pool that includes both more beautiful women from an older ancestral population, and a larger range of prospective mates, less tarnished by women tainting their looks (and the beauty standards of the men around them) with obesity.

TL;DR: there seems to be less aesthetically-gifted genetic stock in America than in seed populations in home countries, coupled with a subconscious bonus men are forced to award to women just for being thin in America because so many women are lost to obesity, that results in American men generally having somewhat lower standards than men you'll meet from most other parts of the world (or that you yourself will have as an American man after living abroad for a while and having your beauty standards reprogrammed by exposure to different populations of women).

Incidentally, this also makes travel especially awesome as an American man, because there just seem to be way more attractive women everywhere else in the world you go by comparison. Just like people go to America and are amazed at it being a land of plenty for all kinds of various things, Americans get to go abroad and realize the rest of the world is a land of plenty for beautiful women

Chase

 

[MisterX]

Honestly I think that those girls might not be too ugly by US standards. Not to be rude but in Eastern Europe where I live, those girls are (as there is a saying in my country) "so ugly that they use them to chase away demons at the monastery" (is sounds super funny in Bulgarian )


Not sure if those are average for America but I'm shocked how some of you said that you'd sleep with any of them.

I think the case in America is that the States is suffering from what I call the "immigration beauty problem", in that because beautiful women and very handsome men usually have it pretty good in their home countries, their best moves tend to be to play it safe and move to the biggest city nearby to them where they can get the most mileage out of their looks with the least risk of having to learn a new culture, give up social circle benefits, start over and maybe not do as well, etc. Conversely, plain-looking or only moderately attractive people have more upside and less downside changing countries. I think that's why, for instance, you'll find strikingly beautiful Chinese girls in Chinese cities, but the Chinese populations in Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc. produce far less attractive women and lower average attractiveness in the attractive women they do produce than the Chinese mainland does. Same deal with white/black/Asian girls in the homelands vs. immigrant populations in the States. There are a lot more pretty white girls in France and Germany than there are in America, I find.

The other side of things is the obesity epidemic in America. In Eastern Europe, Asia, and other parts of the world, you don't award a girl any special points for being thin in your mind. Thin is just expected, and fat girls are both rare and funny novelties ("Whoa, look at that!!"). In America, you don't even realize it until you've been out of the country for a while, but you get trained to think of "chubby" as "average", and a girl just being thin awards her bonus points in your mind. You leave America for a few years and come back, and you find yourself distinctly unimpressed by the looks of your friends' girlfriends, but they're blissful because subconsciously they're giving her extra points for just not being fat.

So, effectively, you have a dating pool that's already somewhat lacking in the looks department compared to the various racial homelands, that's then further depleted with a number of women (who might otherwise be cute) lost to obesity. There are still very beautiful women in America on par with what you'll see in racial homelands, and you also don't see too many of the really heinously ugly Neanderthal-looking people that you will see in the poorer parts of almost every racial homeland too (I presume because they are too poor or uninformed / unconnected to move overseas) - it's just usually more of a mish-mash of way more plain Janes with less variation in looks. That influences a man's tastes in America, and pushes them down compared to where they'd be if he lived in, say, the Mediterranean, where his opinion on looks would be drawn from a broader pool that includes both more beautiful women from an older ancestral population, and a larger range of prospective mates, less tarnished by women tainting their looks (and the beauty standards of the men around them) with obesity.

TL;DR: there seems to be less aesthetically-gifted genetic stock in America than in seed populations in home countries, coupled with a subconscious bonus men are forced to award to women just for being thin in America because so many women are lost to obesity, that results in American men generally having somewhat lower standards than men you'll meet from most other parts of the world (or that you yourself will have as an American man after living abroad for a while and having your beauty standards reprogrammed by exposure to different populations of women).

Incidentally, this also makes travel especially awesome as an American man, because there just seem to be way more attractive women everywhere else in the world you go by comparison. Just like people go to America and are amazed at it being a land of plenty for all kinds of various things, Americans get to go abroad and realize the rest of the world is a land of plenty for beautiful women

Chase

Those are all valid points.

Also you know how girls from different countries look differently. And every guy like a certain kind of girls - some like girls from: Asia, UK, Brazil, Africa, etc.

I've traveled to every country in Europe and have seen how girls look different in every country. My personal preference are Eastern European girls and Russian girls.


And the thing most people don't know about Eastern European genes is how much a genetic mix it is. It started in my native country.

It started with the Greeks and Romans and Tracians mixing their gene pools. Then came the slavics from the north and proto bulgarians and huns from central Asia.
They all mixed genes and then came the reign of tzar Simeon who conquered all eastern Europe so those genes all spread around north and west. Then came the Ottomans and their 500 year reign over Eastern Europe and added their genes to the pool. Which by the way Turkish women are gorgeous - I don't mean the dark skinned ones I mean the perfectly white skinned girls, you'd mistake for European. And a couple of hundred of years ago lost of Russian soldiers came to help in the battles to free Eastern Europe from the Ottomans. And ever since then more and more Russian genes got mixed into the gene pool.

So in essence you have the mix of : greek, roman, tracian, slavic, proto bulgarian, hun, arabic and russian genes all in one place. But in America most of the gene pool came from western Europe and I don't really like girls from those countries.
It's interesting to think about how the way girls look came from the genetic migrations hundreds of years ago.



Plus the girls are not time wasters here. There was a video from AFC Adam Lyons that it's much harder to number close in Eastern Europe. And it's true because if a girl doesn't want to go out with you she'll never give you her number.

The moment a girl sees you - she decides if she wants to go out with you, sleep with you, start a relationship with you.
So if she gives you her number you know you'll go out and sleep with her.

And I'm hearing that in America it means nothing if a girl give you her number. Even sometimes they give you their numbers just to get rid of you. So here you'll get a lot less numbers but every number you get is going to be solid.


And that's why I had big troubles understanding the "game" aspect of pua. You know all the routines and what to say, etc. I doesn't work here.
What work are fundamentals - if she likes you - you'll be sleeping/dating her. If she doesn't like you there is no way in hell you'll convince her.

I even didn't understand the - move faster or you'll lose her to another guy, thing. Here from the moment you ask her out and you go on the 1st date - that's it.
The girl would never go out with another guy and she'll reject every guy who tries something. Meaning the girl is exclusive from the moment you go on a first date.
Because if she's out with you she is certain that she wants to sleep with you/start a relationship with you.
There is no having to game her or make her like you.
It's just a cultural thing I guess - good looking and good guys (meaning good fundamentals, intelligent, genuine people, etc) have much more power than even the most beautiful of girls. Cause the thing is most girls look really good but most guys look really bad - there is literally 100 good looking girls for every 1 guy with good fundamentals. Every time I go out I notice people look at me everywhere and I'm not some super handsome guy - but I've been working on my fundamentals and everybody notices I'm different. At least my observations.


So you'll get a bit more rejections cause a girl won't go out with you/give you her number if doesn't want to sleep with you.


Guys if you come to Eastern Europe work hard on your fundamentals and vibe cause the girls will literally decide in the first minute if she'll sleep with you. And be prepared for a bit more rejections but if you go out with a girl - know it's going to happen. And also humbleness is HUGE. Think genuine guy and not flashy. And low energy not high energy and loud. The silent low energy, smooth and genuine guy works best.

 

[rocky]

As an advocate against porn and being on a 110 day masturbation-free streak, great post.

 

[Thedoctor]

The thing is guys masturbate because the can't get a girl.

They can't just go out and come back home a few hours later and have sex with a girl.

They can't approach due to fear and insecurities. That's why they masturbate. For most guys it's not a question of masturbating or having sex - it's masturbating or doing nothing.


It was said that James Bond doesn't watch porn, George Clooney doesn't watch porn, Ryan Gosling doesn't watch porn. Rockstars don't watch porn and masturbate.
Guys who get laid don't watch porn.

Do you feel the need to watch porn after you've had sex with a girl?


The people who watch porn can't get a human being to have sex with them(or are afraid of trying) that's why they watch porn and release.

I think these statements are little over the top. Lots of people masturbate for a variety of reasons, including very attractive women. I've watched porn with chicks before and it was a fun thing to do. It can even sometimes give you some ideas

I agree with PN that anything can lead to addiction if you don't do it in moderation. So yes, if you think you may be addicted to porn then stop watching it. But, that doesn't mean it's bad for everyone. I'm sure a lot of rockstars watch porn and masturbate. Sometimes the mood just strikes you. I've been in relationships with extremely sexual girls and I still occasionally watched porn. It had nothing to do with not being able to get sex.

Just my thoughts,

-John

 

[Franco]

MisterX,

Honestly I think that those girls might not be too ugly by US standards. Not to be rude but in Eastern Europe where I live, those girls are (as there is a saying in my country) "so ugly that they use them to chase away demons at the monastery" (is sounds super funny in Bulgarian )


Not sure if those are average for America but I'm shocked how some of you said that you'd sleep with any of them.

Keep in mind that you're comparing women without make-up to women you see on the streets WITH make-up. Women without make-up (as if they are just getting up in the morning) are at their absolute worst, so when I see a girl that looks half-decent without make-up on, there's an extremely good chance she's looks drop-dead sexy WITH it on because that's what it's supposed to do. Now, LOTS of girl go overboard on make-up and it ruins any natural beauty they may have; I've found that all that most girls really need is mascara, eye-liner, and maybe a slight airbrush if they happen to have a random blemish on any given day. All of the other stuff many women use (eye shadow, lipstick, etc.) is deemed "beautiful" by the media and, unfortunately, women seem to buy into it. In my opinion, a lot of it actually makes them look less attractive.

Also keep in mind that if you aren't getting into any casual or long-term relationships, then you probably haven't REALLY seen what a girl looks like without make-up on, regardless of what country she's from. Girls just won't allow it unless they absolutely have to, and the cases where they absolutely have to are when they are spending long periods of time with the same partner.

I think these statements are little over the top. Lots of people masturbate for a variety of reasons, including very attractive women. I've watched porn with chicks before and it was a fun thing to do. It can even sometimes give you some ideas

Agreed. People tend to forget that some of us literally just don't have the time to pick up women ANY day of the week at ANY given time. I never had to give up porn, but I never had an addiction to it to begin with. For me, it could be that I just worked until 1 AM on a given day and I need to "release a bit of stress" before I go to sleep that night, or maybe I only have time for a booty call when I'm single and none of them are answering at 2 AM. There's lots of reasons a guy might masturbate, but it's definitely not always because he can't get a girl.

And John, I've masturbated with a girlfriend to some porn too (which lead to some hot, steamy sex), so it can definitely be fun.

- Franco

 

[Lover]

This really needs a bump

 

[trashKENNUT]

Quit watching...

Zac:

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

Wow... yeah, good find. Some of these are really shocking.

This is a big reason why I switched from nightgame to daygame a long, long time ago... and also why I don't like online game.

 

[trashKENNUT]

nightgame to daygame a long, long time ago... and also why I don't like online game.

To add,

When that tight bodied girl who is also smart.

All daygame. Never nightgame ever. Hahaha