Lets here some thoughts on peoples most effective 'transitions' to help hook a set after opening girls at night in bars etc. (groups, singles etc)
There's not many PUA books I've not read or programs I've not seen so it's likely that I'll learn nothing new, but you just never know, hence i'm asking!
I've been in the game a few years now and have racked up some lays, but after a fairly rough night recently where I wasn't able to even get close to the hook point in 95% of sets, I'm feeling more strongly than ever that it's really just a numbers game to find girls who are just social girls who are into you (in which case, everything works to 'hook' them if they are, and nothing seems to work If they're not). But i'd love to have my mind changed lol.
If we assume for the sake of the thread that the initial open is a simple 'hey' or maybe an observational opener about their drink or their clothes or whatever (i.e - the opener itself in this instance isn't one that kind of has a long 'inbuilt' transition like, say, a roleplay opener might) -I tend to do a mixture of make observations that I notice (''I like that jacket, bla bla bla''), ask questions in a challenging way as per JulienRSD and try to spike from their answers, (''Where are you from?! Oh really! Tha'ts not good. We can't be friends now bla bla'') and make cold reads etc (''you look like you do something in fashion. No? Oh.. bla bla bla''). However, this weekend was a good example of these techniques simply not being powerful enough (unless the girl is simply attracted to me) and I was generally ignored/rejected by hot, young girls who had zero interest in talking lol.
I don't think it's an issue of body language or anything - mainly because in certain environments (such as when I visit the US and also when I travelled Eastern Europe) these kind of rejections were much rarer, not to mention that I've gotten laid from cold approach a good handful of times now which suggests that that's not the issue. I feel If I had some sort of huge issue with tonality/body language etc, i'd have not gotten any lays
It makes me want to look into other 'canned' routines to dive into after the open to give me the best shot of having a 'fun' interaction for them, but every example I've come across seems too cheesy to me, and it seems to be confirmed by the girls reactions when I test it. They seem to think it's as weird as I do to start doing parlour tricks and strawberry fields and DHV stories etc after I say 'hi' (just comes across as weird if used before rapport. In fact, I believe even 'mystery' himself has backtracked somewhat over the years and now also only uses lots of his routine stuff later in the interaction)
Leaves me with the same issue of how to hook these tough sets. My instincts are telling me that maybe it's simply not possible lots of the time (hense why so many 'pros' admit to getting rejected all of the time) and that it really is all just a numbers game to find the girls who think you are hot AND who are just sociable, friendly girls, but i'd love to hear some ideas none-the-less!
So - Give me 'after open' Convo snippets and routines and fun convo examples/topics and soundbites/techniques etc that you use after opening girls at night in order to give yourself the best shot at hooking them. I'll test some out this weekend
There's not many PUA books I've not read or programs I've not seen so it's likely that I'll learn nothing new, but you just never know, hence i'm asking!
I've been in the game a few years now and have racked up some lays, but after a fairly rough night recently where I wasn't able to even get close to the hook point in 95% of sets, I'm feeling more strongly than ever that it's really just a numbers game to find girls who are just social girls who are into you (in which case, everything works to 'hook' them if they are, and nothing seems to work If they're not). But i'd love to have my mind changed lol.
If we assume for the sake of the thread that the initial open is a simple 'hey' or maybe an observational opener about their drink or their clothes or whatever (i.e - the opener itself in this instance isn't one that kind of has a long 'inbuilt' transition like, say, a roleplay opener might) -I tend to do a mixture of make observations that I notice (''I like that jacket, bla bla bla''), ask questions in a challenging way as per JulienRSD and try to spike from their answers, (''Where are you from?! Oh really! Tha'ts not good. We can't be friends now bla bla'') and make cold reads etc (''you look like you do something in fashion. No? Oh.. bla bla bla''). However, this weekend was a good example of these techniques simply not being powerful enough (unless the girl is simply attracted to me) and I was generally ignored/rejected by hot, young girls who had zero interest in talking lol.
I don't think it's an issue of body language or anything - mainly because in certain environments (such as when I visit the US and also when I travelled Eastern Europe) these kind of rejections were much rarer, not to mention that I've gotten laid from cold approach a good handful of times now which suggests that that's not the issue. I feel If I had some sort of huge issue with tonality/body language etc, i'd have not gotten any lays
It makes me want to look into other 'canned' routines to dive into after the open to give me the best shot of having a 'fun' interaction for them, but every example I've come across seems too cheesy to me, and it seems to be confirmed by the girls reactions when I test it. They seem to think it's as weird as I do to start doing parlour tricks and strawberry fields and DHV stories etc after I say 'hi' (just comes across as weird if used before rapport. In fact, I believe even 'mystery' himself has backtracked somewhat over the years and now also only uses lots of his routine stuff later in the interaction)
Leaves me with the same issue of how to hook these tough sets. My instincts are telling me that maybe it's simply not possible lots of the time (hense why so many 'pros' admit to getting rejected all of the time) and that it really is all just a numbers game to find the girls who think you are hot AND who are just sociable, friendly girls, but i'd love to hear some ideas none-the-less!
So - Give me 'after open' Convo snippets and routines and fun convo examples/topics and soundbites/techniques etc that you use after opening girls at night in order to give yourself the best shot at hooking them. I'll test some out this weekend