Forum News User Velasco was banned

[Bismarck]

Hi everyone,

Velasco was banned on Monday 25 January 2021 for the following reasons:

1. Getting razorjack, a highly valued pua seduction community old-schooler, to voluntarily leave the forum over the traffic-light system controversy (already then he was calling into question what this user - who has much more experience than him - had to say)
2. Repeated passive-aggressive jabs at members (e.g. https://www.skilledseducer.com/thre...-a-korean-interior-designer.23900/post-126413 where he tells Skippy that the fact he thinks the girl doesn't have dinner is proof he "still has a ways to go") where advice would have sufficed
3. Disrespecting Tribal Elders and Moderators, by calling me a liar and calling into question, in a disrespectful manner, Bacchus' advice in several instances, the latest being Lofty's Journal (https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/searching-for-cirrus.23470/page-6)
4. Purveying KJ advice, pretending to know when he doesn't, for instance in my most recent LR thread, where he spoke without actually having any day game SDL experience (https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/28-y-o-spanish-writer-lawyer-day-game.24038/)

The ban was the result of prolonged discussion among Moderators and senior members, but we wanted to let you know as we are aware that he was popular on the forum.

This community prides itself on members conducting themselves with decorum and decency; helping beginners and intermediates alike. Giving advice should not be an opportunity for you to bring other users down in order to inflate your "e-bro" persona, simply a way for you to give back to a community that has molded you into the seducer you've become.

We want to stress that Velasco, despite puffing his chest up constantly, to the point where much of his latest "advice" was KJ and contradictory, was not banned due to lack of skill, rather, he was banned almost entirely due to attitude, which had degenerated to the point where a semi-toxic vibe permeated a good portion of his most recent posts.

He was also a firm believer in LMS, which is contrary to the stated purpose of this forum. It stops users from achieving their true potential where the seductive arts are concerned.

This may all seem rather sudden, but it wasn't. An ongoing evaluation of Velasco's behavior was taking place behind the scenes. He had been warned already.

To summarize: we consider ourselves a pretty liberal forum, compared for instance with the old mASF, but if you repeatedly belittle other members, purvey KJ advice (meaning, advice where you don't have experience, so where you don't know), call Moderators liars, and disrespect Tribal Elders, you will get warned, and, if you persist, banned.


Bismarck

 

[Skills]

I am not interested in putting wood in the fire, and I am still pissed and agree about razor Jack, but everything else Is a reframe i can make an eloquent beautiful post on a counter but I won't, keep in mind velasco got totally embarrassed by chase and downgraded about razor Jack. The dude actually helped people here get laid and even challenged people's point of view, with me for example got me to go clubbing despite Corona. Though I was right I got it lol... but teevester have done the same about online game etc. I mean we can not be an echochamber of one style of seduction. He also did he not have bad intentions when trying to comment in your sdl, but yes he is polarizing and at times annoying with a quotes and back and forth. I used to use similar style, I don't anymore, but this is easy to correct

 

[Beam]

He helped and was continuing to help me and some of the newer guys (like Nicko). I wouldn't have gotten my most recent LR without him. I understand there was probably a lot happening behind the scenes that led to this, but honestly I feel like this will be a net loss to the forum (at least for more junior members). I hope this decision can be reconsidered.

 

[Bismarck]

Beam and Skills we understand and appreciate your points of view.

This decision wasn't easy to make, and it wasn't made on a whim. In the final balance, we concluded Velasco was more bad than good for the boards.

He was warned twice. We gave him more leeway than many others have gotten. He simply took this as a sign he had carte blanche to do as he liked and disrespect everyone.

The leeway we gave him showed in his case he wasn't "easy to correct" Skills.

Also Beam Nicko proved today with an email he sent me beyond any shadow of a doubt that he was indeed the IRT. Don't worry, Velasco's departure doesn't mean you won't continue to get help with your game journey here.


Bismarck

 

[Skills]

Beam and Skills we understand and appreciate your points of view.

This decision wasn't easy to make, and it wasn't made on a whim. In the final balance, we concluded Velasco was more bad than good for the boards.

He was warned twice. We gave him more leeway than many others have gotten. He simply took this as a sign he had carte blanche to do as he liked and disrespect everyone.

The leeway we gave him showed in his case he wasn't "easy to correct" Skills.

Also Beam Nicko proved today with an email he sent me beyond any shadow of a doubt that he was indeed the IRT. Don't worry, Velasco's departure doesn't mean you won't continue to get help with your game journey here.


Bismarck

If this is true then it is on him. Thanks for the clarification

 

[Beam]

Thanks for the response Bismarck. I guess I understand, if he'd received multiple warnings.

Also Beam Nicko proved today with an email he sent me beyond any shadow of a doubt that he was indeed the IRT.

Obviously you guys know more and can track IPs and so on, but I have to chime in here. I thought Nicko was from the same city in Australia that I was - he even made specific references to gaming in a specific mall that I know of which is great for gaming which I'm not sure the IRT would have known about, since he lived in New York. He even asked me for advice for spots to game in in my city. Unless the IRT was going to extreme lengths to get back on the forum, I honestly think this one may need a second look.

Edit: Just dug through his Journal again, he references stores like Myer and David Jones which are Australian stores (I know because I live here). The way he talks about them, and the number of aussie girls her references approaching, I'm convinced this isn't the IRT. This is just my two cents, make of it what you will.

 

[trashKENNUT]

I am curious as to this Indian Troll Guy.

It's like as if he knows someone and pissed of by something, or is just something i can only understand if i meet a similar person in real life.

z@c+

 

[Bismarck]

Beam anybody nowadays with the internet can spout off some malls or stores in Australia, or use someone who lives there as a source for information. The fact he did so doesn't prove he was who he said he was.

Considering the lengths IRT has gone to come back here (he has tried now at least a dozen times, including with accounts like MilitaryBrat and its sister account, Post Was Right), this is most likely the case.

 

[Skills]

Anyways I know and Irt from mpua forum help to get rid of him there, also help get rid of him in nextasf and here I was that told carousel, I am not sure if he was Niko for sure, is not the same style of writing... velasco pm my blog saying he had no warnings I already pm chase about the whole thing. Whatever he decides cause I already predicted all this was going to happened. If we want to discuss the same style of game of poetic sophistication nlp and ignore assholish more polarizing scumbag styles and personalities then let's be more specific about that in the rules

 

[Bismarck]

Skills he had the exact same style of writing as IRT on the email he sent me, surprisingly different from the style he used here on the boards...

Also, as I noted in the first post, this was not about asshole-ish styles of game, this was about attitude with other users. People are free to pursue the game styles they like.

Razorjack situation was warning 1, recently he was ejected from another place, frequented by several senior members of this forum, where he was trolling constantly (warning 2), all the while his attitude continued to deteriorate here on SS.

 

[Skills]

Skills he had the exact same style of writing as IRT on the email he sent me, surprisingly different from the style he used here on the boards...

Also, as I noted in the first post, this was not about asshole-ish styles of game, this was about attitude with other users. People are free to pursue the game styles they like.

Razorjack situation was warning 1, recently he was ejected from another place, frequented by several senior members of this forum, where he was trolling constantly (warning 2), all the while his attitude continued to deteriorate here on SS.

What happens in Facebook headquarters, should have 0 effects on what happens here, that is not a warning and should have 0 effects on what happens in the forum. Jesus christ I warned you guys a million times about the Facebook group.

 

[Teevster]

@Skills - why do you keep defending and befriending trolls, including some of the biggest we have ever seen on this forum.

As we say in French: "qui se resemble s'assemble" - meaning the same "Birds of a feather flock together" in english.

Is there some truth to it?

Edit: This was a general statement, not one that had Velasco in mind. I have not kept track on his posting here, so I can't voice my opinion on the matter.

 

[Teevster]

What happens in Facebook headquarters, should have 0 effects on what happens here, that is not a warning and should have 0 effects on what happens in the forum. Jesus christ I warned you guys a million times about the Facebook group.

I am not sure you are in a position to "discuss" or "expose" conspiracies... because I think some of the skeletons in your own closed may pop out. Just saying.

 

[Skills]

@Skills - why do you keep defending and befriending trolls, including some of the biggest we have ever seen on this forum.

As we say in French: "qui se resemble s'assemble" - meaning the same "Birds of a feather flock together" in english.

Is there some truth to it?

Cause Velasco is not a troll, but I see what you are doing reframing I defend trolls, instead of addressing the subject, which is disrespectful. Finally to answer your questions go on my PMs and see posters asking me about velasco. I had no idea velasco was a troll and if he was why would you give tribal elder to a troll

 

[Skills]

I am not sure you are in a position to "discuss" or "expose" conspiracies... because I think some of the skeletons in your own closed may pop out. Just saying.

Is not a conspiracy Bismarck said that he got kicked out of a Facebook group that is not a warning

 

[Bismarck]

Skills the way Velasco was treating Tribal Elders can affect both places, as it did.

Anyone who almost gets banned from a forum (but is saved by Tribal Elders who have his back), then gets banned from somewhere where those same friendly Tribal Elders hang out due to trolling them and continues trolling on the same forum he initially was almost banned from, is clearly beyond redemption.

It's not like the guy wasn't aware that he was going too far. You saw how he also had troubles with the law, as he himself admitted here...

We don't have the responsibility of being people's parents and mollycoddling them here. If you're a constant asshole, treating everyone, including those who take out of their own time to help out here, like trash, and then on top of that are a KJ, what's your worth in the final analysis?

PS
Velasco was a Tribal Elder because Tribal Elders felt he had great potential as a seducer. Again, he wasn't banned for not having skill (though he had been KJing), he was banned due to his attitude above all, as I've already stated here.

 

[Skills]

Skills the way Velasco was treating Tribal Elders can affect both places, as it did.

Anyone who almost gets banned from a forum (but is saved by Tribal Elders who have his back), then gets banned from somewhere where those same friendly Tribal Elders hang out due to trolling them and continues trolling on the same forum he initially was almost banned from, is clearly beyond redemption.

It's not like the guy wasn't aware that he was going too far. You saw how he also had troubles with the law, as he himself admitted here...

We don't have the responsibility of being people's parents and mollycoddling them here. If you're a constant asshole, treating everyone, including those who take out of their own time to help out here, like trash, and then on top of that are a KJ, what's your worth in the final analysis?

PS
Velasco was a Tribal Elder because Tribal Elders felt he had great potential as a seducer. Again, he wasn't banned for not having skill (though he had been KJing), he was banned due to his attitude above all, as I've already stated here.

Better, make sense I am done with the subject again I have no idea what goes on in headquarters

 

[Teevster]

Cause Velasco is not a troll, but I see what you are doing reframing I defend trolls, instead of addressing the subject, which is disrespectful. Finally to answer your questions go on my PMs and see posters asking me about velasco. I had no idea velasco was a troll and if he was why would you give tribal elder to a troll

Again, I mentioned that I did not have velasco in mind when I wrote my message. I think velasco is annoying and I defended him back when he "trolled" Razorjack. I cooled the situation down. I did so over and over again. But now, I won't step in for him. That's it. Enough is enough-

I initially gave velasco this rank, that is true. That was my doing. After all, he was in field, he was getting results and it is true that he did write some interesting stuff and helped out people. The rank is defined by skill-level. Now in retrospect, his rank was lowered for his behaviour (Tribe Elder rank expects certain attitudes from our posters due to their responsibility from being high authority members). After he was lowered, I then vouched for his rank to be put to second highest, which I in retrospect believe is the rank he should have had all along.

The guy was good, the guy knew some interesting stuff, but he was not an mPUA or a Veteran by any means.

It was my mistake to initially give him Tribe Elder rank, and I admit it.

When will you admit yours?

Best,
Teevster

 

[Teevster]

Cause Velasco is not a troll, but I see what you are doing reframing I defend trolls, instead of addressing the subject, which is disrespectful

Learn your terms man. This is not a reframe, this is a statement of FACT. I am not sure you are in a position to really open your month in regards to bans etc, as you have defended trolls over and OVER again.

Changing the semantic meaning of words to fit your narrative is on the other hand... a reframe...

 

[Skills]

Again, I mentioned that I did not have velasco in mind when I wrote my message. I think velasco is annoying and I defended him back when he "trolled" Razorjack. I cooled the situation down. I did so over and over again. But now, I won't step in for him. That's it. Enough is enough-

I initially gave velasco this rank, that is true. That was my doing. After all, he was in field, he was getting results and it is true that he did write some interesting stuff and helped out people. The rank is defined by skill-level. Now in retrospect, his rank was lowered for his behaviour (Tribe Elder rank expects certain attitudes from our posters due to their responsibility from being high authority members). After he was lowered, I then vouched for his rank to be put to second highest, which I in retrospect believe is the rank he should have had all along.

The guy was good, the guy knew some interesting stuff, but he was not an mPUA or a Veteran by any means.

It was my mistake to initially give him Tribe Elder rank, and I admit it.

When will you admit yours?

Best,
Teevster

Dude I never asked for a rankings nor I care you can do whatever you want with my ranking, put me beginner if you want, is not like I tell women I am tribal elder as a dhv lol...