What is your STRONGEST motivation for seduction

[empath]

Not quite. I know guys that get validation from paying so not sure it's the same thing

I have had friends brag to me about hookers they banged lol

Thinks it probably closer to connection. Because I also prefer to bang girls I have real chemistry with even if I know it's only going to be a fling

Also I had an interesting convo with a female friend recently

Was telling her about how I have had FBs that would would fuck me for free but have a sugar daddy pay for it. Yet they rarely asked me to provide to that same level and in some situations would invest more in me than them

I told my friend they are getting nothing from me so why behave like that?

She then told me "They are getting something from you... they are getting attention"

That made me really think... Do women also have a different motivation list?

Do women sometimes use sex as a form to get attention from one guy and resources from another?

Could game be used as a way to hack women's need for attention so we can get more of what we want?

Am I using game and sex to get attention too?

Could be an interesting topic to dive into as well

Being with a sugar daddy is a business for her. Since there is no emotion involved ( or at least very low emotions involved) she will want to milk him. In case of you she is getting some sort emotional connection, and yes attention but she views you someone whose attention she wants. Not every attention is same. ( You getting it from a fatty vs model) (Gives yourself a sense of security)

Imagine being a gigolo yourself and contrast your clients with your main or FWB. You will invest more in your main of FWB maybe not with money or providing but emotionally like having a more geniune conversation etc.

 

[Skills]

Being with a sugar daddy is a business for her. Since there is no emotion involved ( or at least very low emotions involved) she will want to milk him. In case of you she is getting some sort emotional connection, and yes attention but she views you someone whose attention she wants. Not every attention is same. ( You getting it from a fatty vs model) (Gives yourself a sense of security)

Imagine being a gigolo yourself and contrast your clients with your main or FWB. You will invest more in your main of FWB maybe not with money or providing but emotionally like having a more geniune conversation etc.

This is the right idea but not true prostitutes, strippers, sugar babies are women and fall in love with the initial client all the time and motivations can change...which is actually not good, cause the whole point of paying, but when you know what you are doing is that as an attractive dude she may and can fall like any other women, one of flaws of James cruse post
...

 

[Jan]

Seduction for me is mostly a spiritual path. Path to self-discovery, as well as discovery of the spirit of the world.

Secondly, it's a skill building endevour aimed at self-satisfaction, and ultimately aimed at finding the best suitable woman for me.

Previously, it has been more of a validation. Still is, but to a lesser extent.

Thanks for this post, @Skills. I hope it can increase understanding and empathy between us, here.

 

[POB]

To me it has always been about connection.
Skill building, mission, pleasure...all part of the process.
But the ultimate goal is to make her completely open her deepest darkest desires to you...and maybe down the line fall in love and allow you to love her back.

 

[James Cruse]

I did in RIP nextasf a survey on 2015 on what type of women body type seducers like, since there were sooo many ridiculous fights about taste (Now a days, same shit, like your dick gives a fuck of what some other dude in the internet likes), here are the results.... Today I want to do the same for my own seduction control trial funded by my autism.... here is the answer by @Chase i will add one for the blackdragon/Caleb Jones types at the end, i will call it sexual rotation comfort (part of mission-driven but chase explanation was limited so i put this in there):




I would add in honor of Blackdragon and the og poly nextasf guys this one:

* Sexual rotation comfort.- Guys that don't want to get exclusive, but are comfortable banging the same couple of girls on their rotation... and don't feel the need to get new women till the rotation depletes to less than 2, they call it "default monogamy" which is when you ran out of women in the rotation and stay with one, though you don't want to be mono. I will post as part of mission driven

^ if you guys can elaborate like i will do now, would be great to get an idea.... Now we all have a bit of all, but i want the STRONGEST MOTIVATOR.... since we probably want a bit of all of them...

For example my strongest one is Gaming/sporting follow by pleasure and sexual conquest...

I love going out there and game in really difficult situations, for example clubs with women that could be my granddaughters, not daughter, granddaughters.... I rather you guys to pick the strongest and then if you have other ones then just post... Remember it will change as your life stages change, unfortunately for me is over... I am beyond the deep end...

I wrote the following into the original thread and also posted it here - as this thread has mentioned my previous thread many times indirectly:


I’m seeing that my original post on this has clearly been misinterpreted, and almost taking as a targeted accusation for the motivations (or lack thereof) of people practicing sediction.

Perhaps I didn’t completely imply or link the implications of “bring out the best in women through seduction” and what that means and looks like for the seducer himself, and his life with women.

So, here’s how bringing out the best in women will affect the various motivations you have in seduction to help achieve those motivations in the best way possible - using Chase’s listed motivations above to do so:

Emotional conquest: (bringing out the best she’s ever had or given to any man) means she’s felt the most emotions, the most variety of emotions with you, more than any other man has ever before. This means she’s more likely to want to continue to be in a relationship with you, give you her best behaviour she’s ever given, best sex she’s ever given, and when you break up - she may still be an option later down the track due to not being able to be as emotionally dominated or influenced by another man since you.

Sexual conquest: (this is the guy who loves scoring notches, flags, etc. for their own sake.) Seducing that woman and being her absolute best with you means = you’re more likely to get MUCH HIGHER VOLUME OF SEXUAL CONQUESTS.
Women tend to sleep with men that make her feel more and higher emotions than any other man (or woman) she’s ever met, especially if he leads her to feel this faster and more intense than any other man ever.

Pleasure: (the guy who is just addicted to the feel of a new warm pussy wrapped around his dick.)
A woman giving you her best ever = She’s giving her her BEST SEX EVER that she’s ever given or likely to give to anyone else. The maximum or best sex she can ever give is the BEST you will ever get from a woman. She can’t give you more than this, especially of she has never given anyone else close to this (her best).

Validation: (the guy who needs to be continually revalidated by sexually approving women.) The MOST sexual approval you can get from any woman you seduce is getting her best - there’s literally no more validation that can be gotten from a woman giving you the best she ever had. And as per the volume of women to validate a man with above - you can get validated by a high volume/amount of women if you know how to best seduce women for each one to give you her best ever.

Recognition: (the guy who wants to look cool, popular, etc., by shagging a lot of chicks.) Again, as per volume above. Recognition as being the best guy - if you’re getting the BEST of a woman, and can be recognised in comparison to other men she’s been with compared to you and the treatment and behaviour of other women around to their men - that recognition by others is MOST strong when a woman is giving you her absolute best and others know about it.

Revenge: (the guy who gets off on fucking women & thinks he is taking something from them.) While I think this is an odious & destructive motivation for seduction of women - if you’re looking for revenge and to TAKE from women - how much more can or would you have the ability to take if you seduce a woman into giving you her best behaviour, best sex, best everything? There’s no more she could give you.

Connection: (the man who feels emotionally & spiritually connected with women through sex.)
If a woman is giving you her best = She feels most spiritually connected to you more than anyone else. If she’s feeling that - it’s much more likely you’ll feel the same way towards you than if you were not seducing the best out of her.

Skill-building: (the guy who treats pickup as a personal development project.) If you can successfully seduce a woman, every woman you seduce, into giving you her absolute best - or you’re at least aiming for that, how much more skill can you theoritically build? That’s the theoretical highest limit for seduction you could reach.

Gaming/sporting: (the guy for whom pickup is a kind of game or sport; a pastime; a hunt.) Seducing a woman into getting the best she’s ever given a man IS A HUNT. It’s difficult and the highest level of seduction you could possibly acheive or master. Like taking all your lifts and sets to complete failure - you’re leaving nothing in the tank.

Mission-driven: (the guy who is looking for a long-term gal / wife [or some other mission] and has decided pickup is the best way to find her.) The only way we should be aiming to meet our future wives and mothers to our children is aiming to get the best out of her when we seduce her - this results in a much better relationship, more likely to have more relationship longevity, higher quality relationship, lower likelihood of divorce ans much lower chance she’s been alpha widowed by her ex (not possible when we’re the best she’s given to, and given us her best and most).
Less likely to return to her ex, less likely to be seeking greener pastures (as the reason many women break up or divorce), less likely to be seeking or accept a “bigger better deal” - all when we’ve seduced her into giving us her best.


Conclusion:

None of these goals listed above for seducers are in any way mutually exclusive from the goal of getting the best out of a woman in every seduction, using your seduction skills to get the best.

Getting the best out of women in a seduction and using seduction = Helps you ACHIEVE all your other seduction/dating/sexual/relationship motivations, because it’s the primary driver for helping you to acheive those motivations from her side.

If you’re not getting her best or at least aiming to get her best - then you’re settling for less than that, her average, her top 10 best or just whatever she’s willing to give us, as long as it includes sex.

And I don’t think that’s conducive to bettering her life, bettering and enhancing our dating life as men and our long term futures with any of these women with seduction.

Now I see seduction as a tool not just for merely sleeping with women - but for going MUCH FURTHER, aiming much higher and improving my life in a much more significant way, with women.

Great thread idea @Skills, i had to bite my tongue (fingers??) not to troll the original post cuz I felt it missed the mark severely, but some positive insights came out of it so i’m glad i was able to control myself..

Please feel free to post your unrestrained thoughts and comments in my original thread that you’re referring to here - why bite your tongue/fingers?
We’re all here to learn and I would certainly appreciate it.

 

[TomInHo]

Please feel free to post your unrestrained thoughts and comments in my original thread that you’re referring to here - why bite your tongue/fingers?
We’re all here to learn and I would certainly appreciate it.

Don't think there is much to discuss tbf

I read your post, found it captivating but honestly couldn't relate to it much. Because its nice to get the best out of a chick, but If I get sex and just sex that's cool too. Every situation doesn't need to be deep, meaningful and performative for me. Sometimes busting a nut is more than enough

Plus if you bang enough girls, you will naturally be the best for some, and so so for others. If that means I'm settling for less then I guess I'm cool with settling

Still think you're justified for feeling the way you do about seduction tho.

It's interesting getting insights into the inner worlds of others and your post sparked some thought provoking conversations for us to all understand each other better

 

[topcat]

I wrote the following into the original thread and also posted it here - as this thread has mentioned my previous thread many times indirectly:


I’m seeing that my original post on this has clearly been misinterpreted, and almost taking as a targeted accusation for the motivations (or lack thereof) of people practicing sediction.

Perhaps I didn’t completely imply or link the implications of “bring out the best in women through seduction” and what that means and looks like for the seducer himself, and his life with women.

So, here’s how bringing out the best in women will affect the various motivations you have in seduction to help achieve those motivations in the best way possible - using Chase’s listed motivations above to do so:

Emotional conquest: (bringing out the best she’s ever had or given to any man) means she’s felt the most emotions, the most variety of emotions with you, more than any other man has ever before. This means she’s more likely to want to continue to be in a relationship with you, give you her best behaviour she’s ever given, best sex she’s ever given, and when you break up - she may still be an option later down the track due to not being able to be as emotionally dominated or influenced by another man since you.

Sexual conquest: (this is the guy who loves scoring notches, flags, etc. for their own sake.) Seducing that woman and being her absolute best with you means = you’re more likely to get MUCH HIGHER VOLUME OF SEXUAL CONQUESTS.
Women tend to sleep with men that make her feel more and higher emotions than any other man (or woman) she’s ever met, especially if he leads her to feel this faster and more intense than any other man ever.

Pleasure: (the guy who is just addicted to the feel of a new warm pussy wrapped around his dick.)
A woman giving you her best ever = She’s giving her her BEST SEX EVER that she’s ever given or likely to give to anyone else. The maximum or best sex she can ever give is the BEST you will ever get from a woman. She can’t give you more than this, especially of she has never given anyone else close to this (her best).

Validation: (the guy who needs to be continually revalidated by sexually approving women.) The MOST sexual approval you can get from any woman you seduce is getting her best - there’s literally no more validation that can be gotten from a woman giving you the best she ever had. And as per the volume of women to validate a man with above - you can get validated by a high volume/amount of women if you know how to best seduce women for each one to give you her best ever.

Recognition: (the guy who wants to look cool, popular, etc., by shagging a lot of chicks.) Again, as per volume above. Recognition as being the best guy - if you’re getting the BEST of a woman, and can be recognised in comparison to other men she’s been with compared to you and the treatment and behaviour of other women around to their men - that recognition by others is MOST strong when a woman is giving you her absolute best and others know about it.

Revenge: (the guy who gets off on fucking women & thinks he is taking something from them.) While I think this is an odious & destructive motivation for seduction of women - if you’re looking for revenge and to TAKE from women - how much more can or would you have the ability to take if you seduce a woman into giving you her best behaviour, best sex, best everything? There’s no more she could give you.

Connection: (the man who feels emotionally & spiritually connected with women through sex.)
If a woman is giving you her best = She feels most spiritually connected to you more than anyone else. If she’s feeling that - it’s much more likely you’ll feel the same way towards you than if you were not seducing the best out of her.

Skill-building: (the guy who treats pickup as a personal development project.) If you can successfully seduce a woman, every woman you seduce, into giving you her absolute best - or you’re at least aiming for that, how much more skill can you theoritically build? That’s the theoretical highest limit for seduction you could reach.

Gaming/sporting: (the guy for whom pickup is a kind of game or sport; a pastime; a hunt.) Seducing a woman into getting the best she’s ever given a man IS A HUNT. It’s difficult and the highest level of seduction you could possibly acheive or master. Like taking all your lifts and sets to complete failure - you’re leaving nothing in the tank.

Mission-driven: (the guy who is looking for a long-term gal / wife [or some other mission] and has decided pickup is the best way to find her.) The only way we should be aiming to meet our future wives and mothers to our children is aiming to get the best out of her when we seduce her - this results in a much better relationship, more likely to have more relationship longevity, higher quality relationship, lower likelihood of divorce ans much lower chance she’s been alpha widowed by her ex (not possible when we’re the best she’s given to, and given us her best and most).
Less likely to return to her ex, less likely to be seeking greener pastures (as the reason many women break up or divorce), less likely to be seeking or accept a “bigger better deal” - all when we’ve seduced her into giving us her best.


Conclusion:

None of these goals listed above for seducers are in any way mutually exclusive from the goal of getting the best out of a woman in every seduction, using your seduction skills to get the best.

Getting the best out of women in a seduction and using seduction = Helps you ACHIEVE all your other seduction/dating/sexual/relationship motivations, because it’s the primary driver for helping you to acheive those motivations from her side.

If you’re not getting her best or at least aiming to get her best - then you’re settling for less than that, her average, her top 10 best or just whatever she’s willing to give us, as long as it includes sex.

And I don’t think that’s conducive to bettering her life, bettering and enhancing our dating life as men and our long term futures with any of these women with seduction.

Now I see seduction as a tool not just for merely sleeping with women - but for going MUCH FURTHER, aiming much higher and improving my life in a much more significant way, with women.




Please feel free to post your unrestrained thoughts and comments in my original thread that you’re referring to here - why bite your tongue/fingers?
We’re all here to learn and I would certainly appreciate it.

how do you ever know you’re objectively getting the best out of a chick, beyond you’re ego claiming you did?

 

[AspiringStoic]

Mine is a very simple one. Its becoming a version of myself that I respect and that embodies my values.

My ultimate goal is:

"To become a guy who can walk up to women I genuinely find attractive and be able to express my personality freely without feeling like I am in any way inferior to them or undeserving of them."

 

[Skills]

I wrote the following into the original thread and also posted it here - as this thread has mentioned my previous thread many times indirectly:


I’m seeing that my original post on this has clearly been misinterpreted, and almost taking as a targeted accusation for the motivations (or lack thereof) of people practicing sediction.

Perhaps I didn’t completely imply or link the implications of “bring out the best in women through seduction” and what that means and looks like for the seducer himself, and his life with women.

So, here’s how bringing out the best in women will affect the various motivations you have in seduction to help achieve those motivations in the best way possible - using Chase’s listed motivations above to do so:

Emotional conquest: (bringing out the best she’s ever had or given to any man) means she’s felt the most emotions, the most variety of emotions with you, more than any other man has ever before. This means she’s more likely to want to continue to be in a relationship with you, give you her best behaviour she’s ever given, best sex she’s ever given, and when you break up - she may still be an option later down the track due to not being able to be as emotionally dominated or influenced by another man since you.

Sexual conquest: (this is the guy who loves scoring notches, flags, etc. for their own sake.) Seducing that woman and being her absolute best with you means = you’re more likely to get MUCH HIGHER VOLUME OF SEXUAL CONQUESTS.
Women tend to sleep with men that make her feel more and higher emotions than any other man (or woman) she’s ever met, especially if he leads her to feel this faster and more intense than any other man ever.

Pleasure: (the guy who is just addicted to the feel of a new warm pussy wrapped around his dick.)
A woman giving you her best ever = She’s giving her her BEST SEX EVER that she’s ever given or likely to give to anyone else. The maximum or best sex she can ever give is the BEST you will ever get from a woman. She can’t give you more than this, especially of she has never given anyone else close to this (her best).

Validation: (the guy who needs to be continually revalidated by sexually approving women.) The MOST sexual approval you can get from any woman you seduce is getting her best - there’s literally no more validation that can be gotten from a woman giving you the best she ever had. And as per the volume of women to validate a man with above - you can get validated by a high volume/amount of women if you know how to best seduce women for each one to give you her best ever.

Recognition: (the guy who wants to look cool, popular, etc., by shagging a lot of chicks.) Again, as per volume above. Recognition as being the best guy - if you’re getting the BEST of a woman, and can be recognised in comparison to other men she’s been with compared to you and the treatment and behaviour of other women around to their men - that recognition by others is MOST strong when a woman is giving you her absolute best and others know about it.

Revenge: (the guy who gets off on fucking women & thinks he is taking something from them.) While I think this is an odious & destructive motivation for seduction of women - if you’re looking for revenge and to TAKE from women - how much more can or would you have the ability to take if you seduce a woman into giving you her best behaviour, best sex, best everything? There’s no more she could give you.

Connection: (the man who feels emotionally & spiritually connected with women through sex.)
If a woman is giving you her best = She feels most spiritually connected to you more than anyone else. If she’s feeling that - it’s much more likely you’ll feel the same way towards you than if you were not seducing the best out of her.

Skill-building: (the guy who treats pickup as a personal development project.) If you can successfully seduce a woman, every woman you seduce, into giving you her absolute best - or you’re at least aiming for that, how much more skill can you theoritically build? That’s the theoretical highest limit for seduction you could reach.

Gaming/sporting: (the guy for whom pickup is a kind of game or sport; a pastime; a hunt.) Seducing a woman into getting the best she’s ever given a man IS A HUNT. It’s difficult and the highest level of seduction you could possibly acheive or master. Like taking all your lifts and sets to complete failure - you’re leaving nothing in the tank.

Mission-driven: (the guy who is looking for a long-term gal / wife [or some other mission] and has decided pickup is the best way to find her.) The only way we should be aiming to meet our future wives and mothers to our children is aiming to get the best out of her when we seduce her - this results in a much better relationship, more likely to have more relationship longevity, higher quality relationship, lower likelihood of divorce ans much lower chance she’s been alpha widowed by her ex (not possible when we’re the best she’s given to, and given us her best and most).
Less likely to return to her ex, less likely to be seeking greener pastures (as the reason many women break up or divorce), less likely to be seeking or accept a “bigger better deal” - all when we’ve seduced her into giving us her best.


Conclusion:

None of these goals listed above for seducers are in any way mutually exclusive from the goal of getting the best out of a woman in every seduction, using your seduction skills to get the best.

Getting the best out of women in a seduction and using seduction = Helps you ACHIEVE all your other seduction/dating/sexual/relationship motivations, because it’s the primary driver for helping you to acheive those motivations from her side.

If you’re not getting her best or at least aiming to get her best - then you’re settling for less than that, her average, her top 10 best or just whatever she’s willing to give us, as long as it includes sex.

And I don’t think that’s conducive to bettering her life, bettering and enhancing our dating life as men and our long term futures with any of these women with seduction.

Now I see seduction as a tool not just for merely sleeping with women - but for going MUCH FURTHER, aiming much higher and improving my life in a much more significant way, with women.




Please feel free to post your unrestrained thoughts and comments in my original thread that you’re referring to here - why bite your tongue/fingers?
We’re all here to learn and I would certainly appreciate it.

brah! listen, i really don't want to take it too far cause what happens they get tooo attached or too deep, this happens even if i am not trying and is not ideal or optimal.... Again, i will give you an example.... Lets say a dude is good with women, and don't want to deal with them and just want to focus on biz, and pays a pro TO LEAVE, now she is getting tooo deep, that null the transaction i gave that example to @empath or whoever it was somewhere.... Same with booty calls i just want to hit it and be out, what happens if you bring out the best in them and they get whipped.... Or a married one, now she got too deep into you leaving the hubby last thing you want.... or a stripper i want to pay for a lap dance etc... and she gets whipped.... See were i am getting at.... this is not always what you want to bring out of the girls cause it cause side effects... Plus again, once you are really good will happen organically...

 

[empath]

brah! listen, i really don't want to take it too far cause what happens they get tooo attached or too deep, this happens even if i am not trying and is not ideal or optimal.... Again, i will give you an example.... Lets say a dude is good with women, and don't want to deal with them and just want to focus on biz, and pays a pro TO LEAVE, now she is getting tooo deep, that null the transaction i gave that example to @empath or whoever it was somewhere.... Same with booty calls i just want to hit it and be out, what happens if you bring out the best in them and they get whipped.... Or a married one, now she got too deep into you leaving the hubby last thing you want.... or a stripper i want to pay for a lap dance etc... and she gets whipped.... See were i am getting at.... this is not always what you want to bring out of the girls cause it cause side effects... Plus again, once you are really good will happen organically...

It wasn't me.

But i agree, no point brining the best, unless you plan to marry. Not even for LTRs because breakups are painful for both the party.

Also, I don't think you seduce woman in a same day lay or same night lay.

Bringing out best would take time, to know her more intimately, to figure out her ever hidden secret. That would be point where she don't wanna leave you. Chase you after break up. (Obviously depends on girls personality some being prone to sulking alone vs chasing)

Anyways, point is why to bother with unnessary pain, when all you wanted was to get your dick wet?

Maybe this is for someone who will leave a seduction the moment they know lay is sure shot. (Many achivement oriented folks here)

 

[Will_V]

I think there is a difference between her being deeply attached/in love, and her giving you the best sexual experience she's given to anyone, at least at first. It comes down to self-expression and inhibition - she can be expressing herself fully and submitting deeply and brimming with enthusiasm, without a lot of feelings involved, if she's led to become uninhibited and explorative, especially if she normally feels a bit inhibited. And on the other hand sometimes a girl in love can be giving terrible sex, because her feelings create inhibition and she's self-conscious about losing you or making a wrong move.

I don't know precisely what @James Cruse means by the 'best' in all of those different motivations/scenarios, but I think there's certainly something to be said for bringing out her best sexually, and to me that is all about inhibition (or lack thereof). That's really all the 'emotional conquest' I want - I'm not especially interested in her being infatuated or in love with me. Even with my girlfriends, it's more that I am a dominant force in their life and they feel secure about that, than that they are obsessed with me.

Everyone wants to get their dick wet sometimes but to be frank, I wouldn't really bother with seduction if that was all I wanted most of the time. I want her to give the best of herself sexually to our little adventure.

 

[Chase]

@James Cruse:

So, here’s how bringing out the best in women will affect the various motivations you have in seduction to help achieve those motivations in the best way possible - using Chase’s listed motivations above to do so:

The thing you're missing is guys with the other motivations who don't share your motivation don't value it and don't want to do the mental work to incorporate it. As I'm sure you don't the other motivations that you do not share.

We could construct an argument for why someone who values emotional conquest ("being her best / bringing out her best") should IN FACT prioritize all the other motivations here, for instance:

• "Why treating seduction as a sport is THE most important mentality if you want to have the best sex and draw out the best in women. Change your thinking to treat it this way TODAY!"
  
  
• "Why focusing on maximizing your sexual pleasure by exploring as many of her holes as possible on the very first night will create the best experience for her of her life."
  
  
• "How changing your focus to one of maximizing recognition from others as you share the tales of your sexual exploits, photos of your girls, and boast of your carnal conquests will lead to women having the best experience of their lives with you."

The only thing that will actually happen is argument: you'll argue that the other guy is wrong, and he needs to prioritize your motivation, then he will argue back that actually you are wrong, and you need to prioritize his motivation. Then everything just gets pointless and frustrating.

In theory, if you could hit every single motivation with a girl, and make a pickup one that emotionally and sexually conquered her, maximized your pleasure, extracted tons of validation from her, got you a bunch of recognition from others for your sexual success, taught you new skills, etc., just went down the list and checked off every single motivation, it'd probably be a seduction for the history books. But no guy is able to hold all these motivations in his head at the same time, and telling him to prioritize one means urging him to deprioritize others. If he doesn't share your values, that's when you get these values clashes @Skills mentions in the OP.

Chase

 

[KJ Francis]

Not quite. I know guys that get validation from paying so not sure it's the same thing

I have had friends brag to me about hookers they banged lol

Thinks it probably closer to connection. Because I also prefer to bang girls I have real chemistry with even if I know it's only going to be a fling

Also I had an interesting convo with a female friend recently

Was telling her about how I have had FBs that would would fuck me for free but have a sugar daddy pay for it. Yet they rarely asked me to provide to that same level and in some situations would invest more in me than them

I told my friend they are getting nothing from me so why behave like that?

She then told me "They are getting something from you... they are getting attention"

That made me really think... Do women also have a different motivation list?

Do women sometimes use sex as a form to get attention from one guy and resources from another?

Could game be used as a way to hack women's need for attention so we can get more of what we want?

Am I using game and sex to get attention too?

Could be an interesting topic to dive into as well

Ohh big time, yeah I think it ties into the lover vs. provider dual mating strategy of women. Like a girl will slow game one guy while sleeping fast with another. She may enjoy sleeping with one guy she knows will never commit, while having an entirely different mating strategy for a nice guy she sees potential with.

For example when I was living with my parents (so I wasn't getting laid as much and did not have a sexy vibe dialed in), I went out for a cheap lunch with a girl who saw me as a long-term prospect. We split the bill and I only had $10 cash in my wallet at that moment I threw on the table, and she covered the rest with her card. I didn't see her again for a long while. After I moved out I slept with ten other women in the meantime, then happened to match online with her, and invited her straight over. She said I smelled like pussy. We slept together and she brought lunch the next time she came over. She told me she kind of ghosted me before because I "stiffed her with the tip" and apparently this showed her I did not view her as a serious dating prospect. If I had seemed more like a lover in that same situation (and persisted better), she may have just slept with me.

So I got to see both dating strategies with the same girl over time. I would guess it's the same with your sugar baby girls. It's like the case of birds tricking one male to take care of the nest while she secures genes from a different male bird without the caretaker's knowledge. To your point of hacking her need for attention, I think it ties into the satisficing article Chase wrote. A big part of sleeping around is assessing your value in the mating market. So her getting the validation of sleeping with a really sexy guy on vacation she knows she may not even see again could be not just for her pleasure, but subconsciously for the validation of knowing she can get that super sexy guy to want her. Then attainability and being a challenge is like her evaluation/validation of her sexual self-worth.

 

[DonGately]

I enjoy teaching/learning kink with a new partner on top of the usual sexual conquest type stuff. Also having a rotation of at least 2 girls.

Validation used to be part of it but after banging several hot college girls I'm past that now.

 

[isildur1]

i enjoy meeting people generally - but also from regrets in my past- my family immigrated fleeing Iran post revolution and never really acclimated to English culture much or integrated well , i was pretty addicted to video games and porn growing up which contributed to my social retardation at school and i watched the same fat rowing chad plow two of my high school crushes and he even cheated on one of them and she took him back (classic pua sob story ) i had one little success - i made out with a woman i had a crush on when i was 13 at aged 18 - so it took me 5 years to actually kiss a girl i liked - my progress was painfully slow but i still had gratitude for one make out lol

University was the same- i had a chance at losing my virginity age 19 but turned it down with self sabotage , watching the simple pickup youtube channel i did a huge amount of night game but the flake rate was enormous but eventually i bought back a smoking hot female 9 from newcastle- only problem was she was seriously dumb and gave me a load of lmr after foreplay- eventually i lost my virginity to an average looking mdma addicted club party girl but it wasnt very for-filling

after some success with night game and online game traveling latin america i decided to try daygame as i didnt want to rely on shitty algorithms or night game which was taking its toll on my health eventually i got my first impressive lay - a female model from Taiwan who was really an incredible person - that lay changed my perspective on life for me- daygame helped me hone my social skills and become more comfortable with who i was- i also winged with my friend's brother who was working as a male model and saw him get blown out 8 sets in a row which made me realise that as a man- no matter how great you are rejection is always around the corner - this actually gave me a lot of confidence to pursue game even more

did my first daygame trip in china in 2019 met some fantastic women and it really improved my social life i eventually met my now girlfriend from daygame in dubai my family really adore her and if it wasnt for daygame i probably wouldnt have a girlfriend now.

another motivation was my brother's divorce- seeing him go through getting cheated on 3 times in his marriage (russian girl he met online ) made me realise the importance of creating options for myself - i never saw any other way other than daygame as something that could do that for me. My other brother entered A LTR with a single mum she met off tinder - online game seemed just woeful for both , it just seems like means to make hypergamy for girls to take advantage of desperate men (of course not all the time , but the way it affected my family- it certainly did so in these cases)

Also went to a competitive private school with more better looking boys then girls- despite coming from a well off family the men around me at school were even better off- for example the best looking girl in my school dated a russian oligarch's son when she was 17- i barely knew how to play call of duty and i was still getting amoged by russian oligarch's kid this competitive atmosphere and with no social skills it was a lonely set of teen years for me.

fast track now and it gave me the skills to be social always which im greatful for i dont have to have the scarcity that my brother's or school/university friends have . daygame gives real freedom to make social connection with people and that's priceless. i saw a lot of my friends post university in shit relationships and it also motivated me to create my social world- by dating women of different cultures and ethnicities it forced me to redevelop myself into a more dynamic person and be more self aware of other cultures- up to the point of daygame i only really understood iranian culture and the english party/drug cultures - now i've dated over 20 ethnicities i've become a lot more self aware and studied 2 extra languages as a result. My brother has asperger's so he's not really into being social- my other brother had a very bland social circle- my parents' were just content making friends with other iranians with no concern for anyone else- growing up i didnt really have much examples of people being social or putting themselves out there due to being in a sort of introverted family. Daygame gave me the real skills to break free from this.

my biggest regret was also not studying abroad in another country when i was younger- i was always too scared to take risks in new environments prior to daygame- probably growing up in an overly safe and comfortable environment was the main reason for this. Travelling japan and china now i wish i'd experienced these places in my early 20s so wouldve stopped the need to chase stupid ass english girls in a club most of whom didnt care much for me