If a girl stares at you in a nightclub, does that not mean she is DTF?
It could mean she's attracted. Usually a girl will look at you and look away 2-3 times in quick succession, and maybe smile, if she's curious about you and wants you to approach her. Either way, that's definitely a reason to go and find out - and open her.
DTF depends on your game, but she could be interested for sure.
the (very) few times I've approached 2 sets I usually just ignored the other girl 100% and just talked to the girl i liked, is that a good approach for 2 sets?
You should talk to your main girl but you also need social proof with the friend, so you definitely should engage the friend early on just to establish that you're a cool safe guy. In other words, talk to the friend as you would your friend's acquaintance - introductions, and basic fun conversation. Focus on your girl for deep diving, etc. Ideally another guy joins to talk to girl #2, or you can pull in another guy.
I purposely carry myself in clubs with a demeanor of extreme aloofness and arrogance
since I've found that vibe gets me the most attention from girls
do you think that opener would still work even though the vibe that attracted them to me does not really match?
Yeah, I think it would. You can have this bad boy or arrogant demeanor while also being nice, fun and genuine in person when you talk to a girl - that's a good balance, a mix of sexy bad boy but also cool, warm and approachable.
Since it seems like girls are rejecting you instantly on your approach, I wonder if it's because of your aloof and arrogant demeanor. I'm not sure what kind of attention you're getting - maybe you can explain.
However, if it's too safe or too arrogant/asshole, then you'll deal with being seen as low value or low attainability, respectively, which would make a girl autoreject. The right way that guys usually do it is to have both - you want to be sexy bad boy, but you also want to be warm and attainable. That's a deadly addictive combo for women.
first, I fear rejection because i get rejected even in situation where it makes no sense like for example the point of this thread.
So I'm super nervous approaching even girls staring at me or hovering near me because several times in the past when I've approached in these situation I've been rejected instantly.
Yeah, common issue. What does the rejection mean to you? Why does it matter? Think about it and see if you can get to the root of the problem.
For me, rejection doesn't matter because I go approach girls for fun and don't really care about the outcome - the purpose of my approaches is to have fun, so even if she rejects me, as long as I had fun I can justify it as a win no matter what. So, this is why I think it's best to have fun when approaching girls, and don't worry about the outcome. Obviously, stick to good form - but have fun!
It really sounds like your vibe is the reason for your rejections, though. Possibly style too, I'd have to see how you come across.
I'm scared other people will see me get rejected instantly.
Why does this matter to you?
I've noticed that whenever i have an opportunity to approach like a girl hovering near me, my mind does not usually think of the girl I want to approach, my mind usually starts to think of the people near me who will see the approach.
And I'm talking about girls who are alone here, I pretty much never approach girls unless they are alone.
I guess the anxiety is so strong when the girl is with other people that my mind has blocked that from even being a possibility.
All these girls who reject me instantly that I'm talking about in this thread are girls who where alone in the club when it happened.
Yeah, your anxiety is definitely messing up your approaches. I get that; try to figure out why it matters to you that other people see your rejections. Will you see them again?
Unfortunately rejection is the only path to getting women - that's just the nature of the game. Even some of the best guys get only 1-2% of the girls they approach
in their whole life! Rejection is completely normal and expected when it comes to women - so you have to train yourself to accept that. The best means that I've taught is for guys to go out for an hour or two and get rejected by girls as many times as possible - say 25-30 times in an hour. In the process, you'll have done 25-30 approaches, which is fantastic. Anyway, the point is that generally rejections don't really matter, and are required in order to get better - if it's social circle type settings rejections matter a lot, but otherwise not really.
Like i said, my vibe is extremely aloof, arrogant and bored, basically like I'm better then everyone
I experimented with many vibes in the past including a "happy and chill vibe" and the "I'm better then everyone in here" vibe
gets me the most attention and from the highest quality of girls so its become my default demeanor i switch into
as soon as i step foot in a nightclub.
I suspect this is the reason girls are rejecting your approaches, lol.
I don't really understand how you can claim you're getting the most attention, while also getting rejected by every single girl. This seems like a contradiction, so I have to ask: is this vibe really working well for you? It doesn't sound like it is.
When i started actively trying to seduce women I was running the RSD spam approach style where you approach random girls by touching them and using openers like "YOU!, who the fuck are you?"
Believe it or not , i was so stupid back then that i even did stuff like this during the day because remember RSD had the saying "the sun is out, do the same thing" which meant no difference between day and night
so doing this retarded style got me a lot of instant rejections at the start of my seduction career
This now created massive anxiety because i have this constant fear that i will always get instantly rejected when i go in
and the only thing worst then getting rejected instantly when you go in is other people seeing you get rejected instantly when you go in
That's my theory as to what is going on in my mind and why im so anxious
Yeah, I've never been a fan of RSD personally. I've seen the spam approach style done by other guys and I haven't seen that many good reactions from women, so it's to be expected. However it's unfortunate that it seems to have trained in you an auto response to feel nervous, which clearly is affecting your approaches.
My gut says based on all of this that your vibe isn't congruent with your image and isn't supporting what you're trying to do here. You're outwardly projecting that you're better than everyone else, but in your head you're actually super nervous. I'm not sure what you physically look or dress like, but my guess is that's also not helping you - so girls are no doubt rejecting you instantly, but they're giving you attention (what kind??) apparently. I think that both the "better than thou" vibe and "super nervous" demeanors are unattractive to women - this is in general, not specific to you. It wouldn't work for anybody.
You probably want to switch to a vibe that screams "cool, sexy, alpha bad boy" or something similar. The contrast of two attractive personas is very sexy to women.
That's like saying to someone, "Yeah that text you sent wasn't good." Which doesn't help, because it doesn't provide a solution. "Yeah that text wasn't good, for these reasons xyz. You probably could have said something like 123 instead." Big difference. Same thing when you say "Check for body language cues." At least give him some examples to look for or some situations where approaching would be more beneficial to him.
