Ah, thanks for the clarification,
@Chase!
I saw the similarities when reading his past posts and thought that things matched up despite a few differences, as I remembered what
@Carousel wrote about IRT taking on an array of identities and his encouragement to be highly aware of these circumstances in the future. It seems as if I was too hasty in this case!
With this in mind, I greatly look forward to seeing the furthered progress of
@Sub-Zero!
There's a couple more things that I would like to touch on, though, that led to my skepticism of the account. I think these are important for the purposes of comprehensiveness and closure.
Interestingly, I live in the Deep South (where he claims to be from, just as some of the IRT accounts did) and let's just say that I am very familiar with the various cultures in discussion. Perhaps he is from somewhere much different than where I'm used to, but I found many of his comments to be quite odd and contrary to what my experiences suggest.
Furthermore, the all-too-common contradictions in his posts were really peculiar. For example, he wrote this:
Here is a poster who has persistently complained about the tendencies of black women. If he doesn't see black women, how is he personally interacting with anyone to develop all of his theories? And this is supposedly an area completely lacking in diversity, yet it is developed enough to support
club-hopping and a college? None of the Southern metro areas I've been to are like that, and since I actually attend a university in the Deep South as well, I can say that none of the college towns I've been to are like that, either.
And despite everything he says, he claims that somehow he is
predominantly matching with black women in spite of his espousals that black women hate black men?
He even contradicts himself further by saying that women only want their "own race" of men but remarkably shares that
black women actually give him "the most attraction" regardless of his other comments.
Again, I felt his highly inconsistent behavior was questionable and his claims were not congruent with my own personal experiences nor those of the others on the forum. That's where the IRT connection held some weight, too. Something just seemed off.
Yes, he does occasionally seem thoughtful! But after thanking everyone, his progress
never really looks to be shown in his subsequent threads....
Got it,
@DarkKnight! Like I said, it appears that I was too rash here in some regards.
But I still think that continued threads like these do more harm than good. I know that
@Chase has said something about race having a certain place in seduction, and I don't think that extensive posting on negative-tinged topics are what he meant... especially if these concepts have been repeatedly discussed to the same user with expert advice. From that point, wouldn't it be reasonable to expect a divergence from these topics to those with a more positive outlook?
I mean, he posted this in 2017:
Posted this in 2018:
And he posts this in 2020:
He may not be a troll... but retaining this mindset (and contradicting himself many times) while spending over half of a decade on a seduction forum where ALL races of men have had proven success with ALL races of women is a bit trollish.
This is the first and last time that I'll ever engage in a topic like this, though! There are much more fun and useful things to talk about - just wanted to weigh in here because something seemed a little strange
Oh, and very importantly, I have no personal problem with you
@Sub-Zero! You're a veteran of the forum, and I would love to see your success just like everyone else does! I was simply perplexed by what I was reading in your posts, and I'm sure that you can understand that given your discussions here.
Haha, it seemed that the IRT account would sometimes contradict itself. That's where that came from
Well if you did, then maybe he wouldn't have been able to troll over GC as long as he did, and this wouldn't be happening
If this was true, then this situation wouldn't have happened, either. You repeatedly didn't take much of the advice to improve your mindset, hence why you have the same discussions now as three years ago. That doesn't mean that you turned away
everything, but your fundamental issues are still unresolved despite having received plenty of excellent suggestions to ameliorate your mentality and eliminate your limiting beliefs.
Luck
Yeah, I see what you mean. Like I said, I saw your various contradictions and the trolling contradictions of IRT. Made a connection with this and the other posting similarities.
Important experience here! I can take away much from this thread, and I hope that you can, too.
What I said was true though!! lmao Where I’m at there are nothing but white women, you also have to notice that I have not said anything about me wanting blonde women or anything oh pry said.
I still keep my same opinion about black women because I have seen it first hand how they disrespect black men, I have many black women tell me that we did them wrong, we’re not good men, they want other races of men, etc.
This was with girls that I slept with too, can you imagine hearing from your own race after you been fuckin them for some time that they were done with black men until you came into the picture!? and that’s your own race telling you that!!
You have to be that “different” guy to fuck your own women lmao.
What I said might sound contradicting, but is it really? I said I got a lot of matches with black women on dating apps, true, I also said that some black women do have on their profiles they only want every race of men except black.
I do not need to make this up.
Yes the south thing is true and it did sound the same, I didn’t notice it was word for word the deep south lmao. So I can see what you mean.
One of the posts you quoted from me was about a race thread someone made trying to diss blacks!! I said unless there’s something nice to say about race, there’s no point of making a thread about it. The thread was a thread where the guy was talking shit about black men or people, like why do black people do this and that, and since I’m one of the few I had to call it out. What’s wrong with that?
There was also a poster on here with an obvious racist username against black people, but I didn’t say anything about it because I’m sure others don’t care.
It’s also true that I barely do see black women, I saw an attractive black chick maybe a few weeks ago, it is rare to see a lot of black people where I’m at.
The posts about black women were the ones I’ve encountered.
I don’t see how it’s contradicting, maybe I shouldn’t have said black women and have said some black women.
But from what these black women told me, they date out more than the black men.
I had way more black women tell me they want to date out and stay away from black men than black men did. Fact.
I’ve had black women come up to me and tell me this for no reason other than to make me angry. I didn’t even ask these women out, they just came up to me and said these things. Fact.
What I’m saying is shit that I personally lived through, now I made this thread because I seen more black men bashing by black women online than ever before, so I thought what should I do since this is a trend it seems?
Also I was a lot more angry back in the day compared to now and have stopped posting.
Especially during quarantine!! I have posted less during these times because of my mental growth compared to before.
You know how long I wanted to make this thread? I wanted to make this for months, and I said nah I won’t, but then I saw another black men getting bashed by black women online, so I said fuck it and made it, I did not think I would be called a troll.
Shit if I was a troll I would of just been starting shit and talking shit to people on here all the time, isn’t that what trolls do!?
Anyway, even when I made this thread and it got little replies, the old me would bump the thread or say something about no one responding, but I just got off the site and got back on a week later and found I had replies and thanked them, then you called me out.
I get it though because irt had multiple accounts of different race of him being different races of men.
The only thing you can say that is similar about us is the age thing and the deep south thing.
The college thing is totally different, he kept talking about frats and blonde women, I talk about me approaching girls as an older guy and partying with younger people without feeling weird about my age.
Dude said that he had overbearing parents, and most of his accounts say they same thing, I never mentioned my parents, they’re really cool though.
He said he lives in Georgia and moved to NY, I don’t live in Georgia, and I’m still in the south.
I get the constant victim mentality does sound the same, but there are a lot of differences between us and I assume others have noticed because this is the first time I got called out for being a troll.
And to be honest most of the time I’ve been on the forums I was in a relationship with this girl, while sleeping with a few other girls here and there, and gave up on really caring about this shit, I still had the yearning for other women, so I kept making threads.
But I was conflicted because I didn’t want to do the work again, I was like why go out and deal with these girls playing games, flakes, and all this bullshit, when I have a girl who’s treating me like a king, but is rather annoying, but still better than dealing with that shit, so I just kept posting my thoughts and what I wanted while still not doing anything because I had a girl and didn’t want to deal with the dating game anymore.
Another thing: Before this was a forum I was going out every single week without fail, I was getting dances, girls feeling on me, numbers, kisses, but I could not get these women on a date after the club, I could not write about it on here because this didn’t exist yet. This was extremely frustrating to me because it made no sense.
I was told by Chase to snl these girls, which I tried, but some said I moved way too fast, and a lot of the times it was harder to do it because I was always with people, and my own logistics were not right
This forum was made right around when I was sleeping with one of my old girls, I slept with a few others, then I got into my relationship.
I never took this serious where I actually had to go out a lot alone and approach 20 women a week and write reports, etc.
I never wanted to be a pua or a dating guru, I just wanted to know how the fuck to beat this hard case shit and get these women to stop the games and flakes, and let me smash all of them
This forum was just for me to talk to like minded people and vent about what I’m going through.
I go through a lot mentally all of the time, I write on here how I feel about shit, I’m not gonna talk about these things in person
If I had a problem, I’d ask something or I would vent most of the times.
I still feel like I’m wasting my time going to clubs all these weeks, spending all this money, with only feels and kisses with nothing in return.
I just got on apps and now I’m dealing with the same thing, women being highly interested until it’s date time and they go ghost.
You think I wanna deal with this teasing shit bruh!? You think this shit is fun!?
How can you talk shit to me and I’m telling you this what I go through mostly? No shit things improve slowly for me, you think I wanna go out to clubs and apps and deal with these flaky girls?
You don’t think I want success!!!!??
That’s why I call it luck, I know others dismiss it, but I just say it.
Getting one girl and fuckin her until another comes in the picture is what I’ve been doing, but I want that with new girls more consistently.
I know this isn’t a personal attack from you and I honestly do see the victim mentality patterns being kind of the same, but we’re totally two different people.
For the most part I’m trying to change my mindset even more now and will still improve in all areas of my life.