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I don't record all the times, generally if I go through my day I don't keep a recorder with a mic with me, if I go specifically out to approach I may do it, so I can't say I remember exactly what I say in every interaction.
This is a reason why I don't post these as field reports. A lot of them are short too, so it's very little to write in order to get a feel of what's happening. I think I'd need someone to really see them to understand what is the main issue in these few minutes.
I can hear that. The main reason I use emojis is to raise attainability a bit, especially if they use them too, and not to feel stone cold and serious via text, since they can't see my facial expressions when I write the message.
Same thing with rapport building, I used to go directly to a date offer, or to tease more, but I felt something was missing, so I decided starting to feel more real to them and that I indeed want to get to know them. My vibe is that they look interesting so I obviously want to see if they are, and I have to get to know them for that.
Regarding the compliments I won't disagree. I generally approach with something direct because I like it more, and feel I am hiding things if I don't, when they clearly know why I am stopping them. Also I consider it an authentic expression of what I feel, I can't explain it but I don't generally compliment in a chasing way expecting to get something back, it's just if I find her hot I will tell her.
I don't mind changing things up or experimenting, I still haven't found what other way would work for me exactly though. The reason I ended up doing these things is exactly because it felt that my interactions were getting more solid and not just all playful fun that leads nowhere.
Also had this rule in the past. Then started wondering how much sense it makes, since honestly with a normal job you are more busy the whole day until 5-6 pm. It feels even weirder to be sending messages during this time.
So I decided to get flexible and just send messages whenever I feel like it, calibrating to the girl a bit. Not sure how bad that looks. It is something I have been experimenting with to not keep my texting extremely rigid.
Yeah I don't even do calls generally, it was the only time it happened, and I wanted to see how it would go. I agree with you about the length, I tried to keep frame and be very masculine with my voice and expressions there so it was an exercise for that too.
I have checked it, I have tried to follow it, but it feels extra incongruent with my vibe. I can experiment going fully that way for a while to really see how it will be, I simply felt that I seem extra playerish and most girls just don't respond well.
It probably has to do with how our interaction is when I approach. Which makes me feel I should start getting extra teasing and playful again maybe. The thing is I received backlash when I went that way in the past, and even the times the reactions were good the girls didn't really take me seriously and exchanged contacts/came out to meet.
I should try it more again though, since I feel I am getting too comfort and attainability focused and not enough attraction and arousal focused, to find the middle ground.
I agree with that. And I really don't die to meet any of them, I simply try to follow a texting process that I feel will get me the date with the highest probability. It is a work in progress, not even sure how much the texting even matters eventually, but at least I am trying to make it work as well as I can.
Of course the in-person interaction is what mostly matters though. I guess I have to at some point get someone to really look at me and tell me what to focus on, because it's never easy to look at yourself from the inside and figure out why exactly something is not working.
I don't have a target demo really. I approach any girl I find hot enough, have gone up to girls that told me they are 14 ( and of course left ), and to girls that told me they are 50.
It's just that the 30+ are the ones that respond better to me consistently. At least up front. It's a bit of mess trying to actually lay them and do it fast, because a lot of them talk about wanting to get to know you more before doing anything, and wanting someone they can really connect well with and all that.
But still the vast majority of my lays, and even the girls I didn't lay but went far enough with, are above 30. Probably has something to do with my vibe, I get usually called more mature than my age and people think I am older. Which is an issue because it gets these 30+ women to be receptive initially, but when they learn the real age they start thinking I am not in the same life phase they are and I have to reframe how I enjoy the moment and what matters is how you feel with someone and following this. It surely feels a lot of times though, that they are looking for something more serious and trying to bed them fast is borderline tiring.
Will look into it later in the day. Not sure about the field reports because I don't have enough about these initial interactions, especially these ones from 2 weeks ago I barely remember.
That would be interesting indeed, haven't done that. I usually go out solo, there is an old friend though that started getting into cold approach so if I we go out and discuss about it, the video could work.
I'm basically open to anything that can bring me girls.
I have accounts in probably all the dating apps available and check them regularly, but I get less than 5 matches per month in all of them combined. Out of them maybe 1-2 per month would be girls that the chat starts going somewhere, like the one I mentioned here for last Tuesday, and every few months I may get a date from online.
So obviously I don't base anything on it and focus on daygame, or even nightgame street approaches. I like it more anyway because of the quality of girls and the freedom to go after who I want, wouldn't mind some easy sex from online though.
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Not totally seduction related update, but it seems I found a job. Will be pretty introductory for the first year with fairly low salary, but with the possibility to get a permanent position in the end reaching six figures.
It relaxes me quite a bit, because it puts my life somehow in order and lets me plan the next years better, since it also lets me stay in the country I am in now. So a number of background worries won't be there anymore.
Also I am supposed to start almost a month from now, so I have quite some time to enjoy the summer. And this is where seduction gets in.
I feel it's the perfect opportunity to go hard at it without many worries and with a bunch of free time, so I started thinking how I should approach it.
I can surely spend a lot of time approaching now, maybe going to some vacation spot and talking to girls day and night would makes sense?
The thing is I know my issue is not the anxiety, and can approach a lot, so the important part is how to improve my seductions as much as I can, what to focus on.
I was even thinking of taking a bootcamp, but I am wondering how much it is worth it to spend few thousands for 2-3 days with a coach.
It would surely be interesting to see someone that good with women in real life and experience how he makes it work, that said I know that in a lot of these they focus on the very basics. It seems they can be effective if you have approach anxiety and need someone to push you to take action, but not sure how much I will gain out of them as someone who approaches regularly.
Also maybe there is a more effective way to spend all this money to improve my seduction skills, can't say for sure, maybe online coaching or some other form of investment I can't think of. It's not like I have too much money to spend either, but felt it is a good chance now that I am free.
I'll think about it a bit more, maybe I'll make a post in the general forum later, describing my situation and skill level and asking for recommendations for these next weeks.
For anyone who reads this though, all opinions are welcome.
It relaxes me quite a bit, because it puts my life somehow in order and lets me plan the next years better, since it also lets me stay in the country I am in now. So a number of background worries won't be there anymore.
Also I am supposed to start almost a month from now, so I have quite some time to enjoy the summer. And this is where seduction gets in.
I feel it's the perfect opportunity to go hard at it without many worries and with a bunch of free time, so I started thinking how I should approach it.
I can surely spend a lot of time approaching now, maybe going to some vacation spot and talking to girls day and night would makes sense?
The thing is I know my issue is not the anxiety, and can approach a lot, so the important part is how to improve my seductions as much as I can, what to focus on.
I was even thinking of taking a bootcamp, but I am wondering how much it is worth it to spend few thousands for 2-3 days with a coach.
It would surely be interesting to see someone that good with women in real life and experience how he makes it work, that said I know that in a lot of these they focus on the very basics. It seems they can be effective if you have approach anxiety and need someone to push you to take action, but not sure how much I will gain out of them as someone who approaches regularly.
Also maybe there is a more effective way to spend all this money to improve my seduction skills, can't say for sure, maybe online coaching or some other form of investment I can't think of. It's not like I have too much money to spend either, but felt it is a good chance now that I am free.
I'll think about it a bit more, maybe I'll make a post in the general forum later, describing my situation and skill level and asking for recommendations for these next weeks.
For anyone who reads this though, all opinions are welcome.
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Potential fuck up
I think I did something stupid.
There is this girl that I met in a bar last Sunday, we sat and talked for some time, she rejected my kiss, but there was a vibe. I proposed we meet again this Sunday, I offered a time, she said she prefers not to plan a specific time on Sundays but go with the flow, and I told her that's fine I prefer going with the flow too.
After that I was expecting to hit her up some point on Sunday, and tonight I was out to a festival, then I went with a friend for a drink, and then to a club for the Saturday night.
At some point after midnight in the club I check my phone and see a message from her more than an hour ago asking: Are u still around?
I answer: In the city? Yeah
She says: I am home now
I respond: Was out at the [name of the festival]
She says: Oh cool
How was it?
I say: Cool, continuing to another club now
And then she sends a picture that can be opened only once. I open it and it is a selfie of her lying down at the grass with her bikini.
And I send back: Stop trying to seduce me
I'll see you tomorrow
[picture of the inside of the club]
I responded to this pretty fast and instinctively, but then I talked to my friend and he said she was probably inviting me to meet tonight at her place, so I started feeling extremely stupid.
I almost texted again a bit later, but managed to hold myself and not make it worse. I was wondering though how bad the way I responded really was. I know that when a girl is in the mood to have sex you have to jump through the window and not lose time, it didn't even cross my mind though.
I assumed that her first message that she is at home was basically her saying that she went back after the hour+ that passed between her previous text and my response so it made no sense to meet, and then when she sent the picture I thought she wanted to excite me because she felt the competition from the club I was in.
Anyway, no idea how it goes tomorrow, I'll go to the city for approaches anyway, and at some point I will send her a ping and see, if she responds we may meet. I hope I didn't miss a big chance, I was talking with this friend and didn't check my phone for a while.
Generally
I didn't make another post, because I decided to not take a bootcamp now. I felt it is better to not spend that much money now, and maybe save them for some more long term coaching, I am thinking of looking into after the summer, hoping I find something good.
I do plan to eventually take some bootcamp to, but I would like to be a bit more comfortable financially and also to have a choice of what to take. I realised that from the ones I checked for July, most weren't exactly what I wanted for the money I would have spent.
For example there was a Mystery/Beckster bootcamp, but was the only one that Mystery wouldn't be physically present but teach via zoom, so I thought it's better to leave it for another time so I can also meet the guy and see him in action.
For now what I decided to do is focus on the material of some online courses I had bought in the past but never fully went through, so I have started watching the videos, even from the most basic topics one by one, and my target is to keep approaching implementing the lessons and exercises from there + things I feel I lack and should try doing more.
I've been obviously approaching quite a lot these days too, I expect it to be even more tomorrow, can't say it gives any crazy results though. In fact I have started noticing that I sometimes don't approach, because after a series of rejections from similar girls it feels not worth it to go approach another one.
I know it doesn't work like that, and you can always meet someone that likes you when you don't expect it, that said getting rejection after rejection from a certain type of girl does make it harder psychologically.
Especially making it difficult to keep going in a short amount of time and in a close space. For example after 2-3 instant dismissals/weird looks in the festival it did start feeling like these girls didn't want to talk to me there. On the other hand at the club I went later and had older people, a bunch of girls seemed very positive to respond well to my approaches and dance with me, so it felt way easier to approach more.
Anyway, I gave the outline of what I will be doing short term and then long term I feel I should start to get direct feedback and coaching at some point to make things more efficient. It would be very helpful for me to know what specific things I should focus on, at least it would put me more at ease that I am really going somewhere with all this.
I think I did something stupid.
There is this girl that I met in a bar last Sunday, we sat and talked for some time, she rejected my kiss, but there was a vibe. I proposed we meet again this Sunday, I offered a time, she said she prefers not to plan a specific time on Sundays but go with the flow, and I told her that's fine I prefer going with the flow too.
After that I was expecting to hit her up some point on Sunday, and tonight I was out to a festival, then I went with a friend for a drink, and then to a club for the Saturday night.
At some point after midnight in the club I check my phone and see a message from her more than an hour ago asking: Are u still around?
I answer: In the city? Yeah
She says: I am home now
I respond: Was out at the [name of the festival]
She says: Oh cool
How was it?
I say: Cool, continuing to another club now
And then she sends a picture that can be opened only once. I open it and it is a selfie of her lying down at the grass with her bikini.
And I send back: Stop trying to seduce me
I'll see you tomorrow
[picture of the inside of the club]
I responded to this pretty fast and instinctively, but then I talked to my friend and he said she was probably inviting me to meet tonight at her place, so I started feeling extremely stupid.
I almost texted again a bit later, but managed to hold myself and not make it worse. I was wondering though how bad the way I responded really was. I know that when a girl is in the mood to have sex you have to jump through the window and not lose time, it didn't even cross my mind though.
I assumed that her first message that she is at home was basically her saying that she went back after the hour+ that passed between her previous text and my response so it made no sense to meet, and then when she sent the picture I thought she wanted to excite me because she felt the competition from the club I was in.
Anyway, no idea how it goes tomorrow, I'll go to the city for approaches anyway, and at some point I will send her a ping and see, if she responds we may meet. I hope I didn't miss a big chance, I was talking with this friend and didn't check my phone for a while.
Generally
I didn't make another post, because I decided to not take a bootcamp now. I felt it is better to not spend that much money now, and maybe save them for some more long term coaching, I am thinking of looking into after the summer, hoping I find something good.
I do plan to eventually take some bootcamp to, but I would like to be a bit more comfortable financially and also to have a choice of what to take. I realised that from the ones I checked for July, most weren't exactly what I wanted for the money I would have spent.
For example there was a Mystery/Beckster bootcamp, but was the only one that Mystery wouldn't be physically present but teach via zoom, so I thought it's better to leave it for another time so I can also meet the guy and see him in action.
For now what I decided to do is focus on the material of some online courses I had bought in the past but never fully went through, so I have started watching the videos, even from the most basic topics one by one, and my target is to keep approaching implementing the lessons and exercises from there + things I feel I lack and should try doing more.
I've been obviously approaching quite a lot these days too, I expect it to be even more tomorrow, can't say it gives any crazy results though. In fact I have started noticing that I sometimes don't approach, because after a series of rejections from similar girls it feels not worth it to go approach another one.
I know it doesn't work like that, and you can always meet someone that likes you when you don't expect it, that said getting rejection after rejection from a certain type of girl does make it harder psychologically.
Especially making it difficult to keep going in a short amount of time and in a close space. For example after 2-3 instant dismissals/weird looks in the festival it did start feeling like these girls didn't want to talk to me there. On the other hand at the club I went later and had older people, a bunch of girls seemed very positive to respond well to my approaches and dance with me, so it felt way easier to approach more.
Anyway, I gave the outline of what I will be doing short term and then long term I feel I should start to get direct feedback and coaching at some point to make things more efficient. It would be very helpful for me to know what specific things I should focus on, at least it would put me more at ease that I am really going somewhere with all this.
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I slept today with that Colombian girl from the lay report I posted. I really wasn't expecting much out of it, that she would travel more than an hour by train to come to my city to see me and that we would be speaking the whole time with a translator and somehow it would all work out smoothly to sleep together.
It was a very positive surprise. Felt a bit like a gift from the seduction gods for all the approaching I've been doing lately.
Because I did do a bunch of approaching yesterday too. Got some numbers as well, and had 2 instant dates in fact. I wouldn't say that any of the two went particularly well though.
The first one was a single mother, she eventually just left in the middle, it is possible that she had to go to her children, but can't say she was feeling like she would be very much down to get sexual with me.
The other one was an american tourist, she told me she is a pretty popular hairdresser in New York for very high clientele. Not that it mattered much to me, she was hot anyway, but she also never felt really into me sexually, more like she went to the bar with me because it was more exciting for her last day than going to bed early.
Anyway, I do like that they were not that into me, because it pushes me to find ways to interact with them more indirectly and build proper frames that could lead us somewhere. Not that I am doing this very effectively, but I am enjoying the process of going for it and practicing with girls that are not sold on you at all but give you the time of day for some reason.
I also got to the phone the other girl from my previous post that sent that beach pic the night before, and we planned a date for Thursday so although we didn't meet yesterday, I managed to handle it.
In fact I have a bunch of dates agreed on, for the end of the week, not sure how many will happen, but it is interesting because I meet more women and don't know where to put them.
At least having some sex clears your mind a bit. I was looking at all the old conversations and the open ones I had after my lay today, and they felt so much less important than before the lay.
Not that it means I am not going after more women, because I slept with one. I got out today and did few approaches after the lay, even getting a number by a very elegant tallish blond girl, totally my type, that already responded to my icebreaker, and also randomly meeting again a girl I had approached last week, and basically planning a date with her then and there.
So life always keeps going on, and having some sex does help dealing with it in a more carefree way.
It was a very positive surprise. Felt a bit like a gift from the seduction gods for all the approaching I've been doing lately.
Because I did do a bunch of approaching yesterday too. Got some numbers as well, and had 2 instant dates in fact. I wouldn't say that any of the two went particularly well though.
The first one was a single mother, she eventually just left in the middle, it is possible that she had to go to her children, but can't say she was feeling like she would be very much down to get sexual with me.
The other one was an american tourist, she told me she is a pretty popular hairdresser in New York for very high clientele. Not that it mattered much to me, she was hot anyway, but she also never felt really into me sexually, more like she went to the bar with me because it was more exciting for her last day than going to bed early.
Anyway, I do like that they were not that into me, because it pushes me to find ways to interact with them more indirectly and build proper frames that could lead us somewhere. Not that I am doing this very effectively, but I am enjoying the process of going for it and practicing with girls that are not sold on you at all but give you the time of day for some reason.
I also got to the phone the other girl from my previous post that sent that beach pic the night before, and we planned a date for Thursday so although we didn't meet yesterday, I managed to handle it.
In fact I have a bunch of dates agreed on, for the end of the week, not sure how many will happen, but it is interesting because I meet more women and don't know where to put them.
At least having some sex clears your mind a bit. I was looking at all the old conversations and the open ones I had after my lay today, and they felt so much less important than before the lay.
Not that it means I am not going after more women, because I slept with one. I got out today and did few approaches after the lay, even getting a number by a very elegant tallish blond girl, totally my type, that already responded to my icebreaker, and also randomly meeting again a girl I had approached last week, and basically planning a date with her then and there.
So life always keeps going on, and having some sex does help dealing with it in a more carefree way.
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Interesting week, not bad I'd say, it's just that after having a lay, everything that is not a lay feels worse for a bit.
I did some approaches, not too many mostly because I had a date three evenings, and went to another instant one. Got few numbers, I won't be able to meet them in the middle of next week, but I am already talking with some about meeting during the weekend so it may work like that.
In the meantime I'll take a short trip to a foreign city for 2-3 days, so I will generally approach there and who knows, I've had things come out randomly from trips like that sometimes.
Regarding the dates there are some things I would like to mention.
Firstly, I had been trying to go on second and more dates with girls that were not kissing me in the first one. The general idea is that these girls are saying they need their time to trust someone, come close and kiss so I was thinking that alright I will let them take their time and just hang out with them without pushing anything.
Doesn't work at all, both girls that were like that told me after the second date that they don't feel it and we shouldn't continue. And they are right honestly, I don't even feel bad, because it wasn't very enjoyable for me either to be hanging around them without any physical contact or sexual energy, felt like I was just waiting when they would decide it's time to move things forward.
So I feel that at least for me, sitting around and waiting just doesn't work, I mean I cannot stay excited doing it, it feels that if the girl is not ready at least for a kiss during the first few hours we meet, it's not gonna go anywhere, and I am wasting time I could spend on other girls.
Secondly, there are also the girls that do kiss but don't come home with me on the first date. I had two that kissed me this week but didn't come to a seduction location.
I have to check how the situations will go with them, my bet is on that we won't meet again and it will go nowhere, but I have to really check to be sure.
My general thoughts regarding this is that although they may enjoy my company and are also attracted to me, spending time together romantically and deciding to not come to my place is in a way making them think that ok, he is attractive, but I have no other role for him in my life, we didn't sleep together, so now he will just expect it, I am not in the mood for that.
And this has to do with the vibe I have of course during the interaction, and I feel it has to do a lot with the fact that I do try to pull them home at the first date, and sometimes more than once.
I think it is important to get the feeling of whether the girl is in the mood to come home fast, then just do that and escalate there, which is the best scenario. If she is not in that mood, simply notice it and take her somewhere else first, get her in the mood and then pull her home. Any kind of multiple invitation home scenario I can think of, where I go for the pull when we leave the first location, and then again after we kiss at the second location, and get rejected twice seems to cement that I want sex, I didn't get it, and I won't get it.
And this makes me feel I should really make a decision as we are finishing our time at the first location regarding how I want to go about it.
If I feel that there is not much connection with the girl yet, I should just skip any invitation home, take her somewhere else, come closer and then go for the pull.
If I feel there is something there between us, I should go for the pull, handle any hesitation, question or condition she puts back, for example about how far my place is and how early she has to go home, and take her home.
I should just be totally clear about my decision and if she outright rejects the pull, then be totally fine with it, change the topic, do something else and not try to go for it again the same night unless it's really on.
And when in doubt, always go for the pull earlier than later.
The reason I am writing these down is because when I sometimes try to pull 2-3 times in a date I can have a girl telling me I am very fixated to going to my place. This is what happened today, I tried to pull once leaving the first location, then again while walking, then again after the kiss.
And I can deal with any answer in a very relaxed way, but it does feel I am subtly pushing it in every opportunity. So I should simply go for it fully when I decide it is the right moment, and if it doesn't work out just take it off my mind, and only propose it again if it really feels like we reached the point we really want it to happen.
This date today by the way was very interesting because she was quite reserved, and I feel I misjudged her as not interested enough. She gave me a very short hug initially, then sat opposite to me at the bar, and even when we kissed at the second location, we were sitting close, but she almost had her whole body and face turned away from me. I just decided to go for it and she turned and kissed me without resistance.
And I feel all this vibe made me unsure of whether I should have proposed a pull early, or she needed more time, which in the end made it all feel not particularly smooth. It was a good educational experience though, and why I mentioned being decisive about when I pull and also when in doubt pulling early.
My other date I kissed was away from my area, so I didn't have pulling in my mind a lot, but more enjoying myself. We got pretty close eventually and I proposed it, she didn't want to do it, so who knows as I said I'll see how it goes and if we meet again.
I also have another date nearby tomorrow, so we'll see, I'll have in mind to build the vibe and follow the pull principles I discussed.
Apart from all that, something to close this post with is that there are so many incredibly hot women around, it is ridiculous really. Especially now in the summer that I can also see more of their bodies, I catch myself sitting somewhere in public and being unable to concentrate by how many I would easily approach and enjoy taking to bed.
Of course I would love to increase my efficiency and get even more of them, and also the hottest ones more consistently, but what I want to point out is how much abundance exists. I really feel I am at a point that when I get rejected I care mostly about how my game looked like and what I could improve and very little about the girl, since I know that sooner or later there will be another like her around.
I did some approaches, not too many mostly because I had a date three evenings, and went to another instant one. Got few numbers, I won't be able to meet them in the middle of next week, but I am already talking with some about meeting during the weekend so it may work like that.
In the meantime I'll take a short trip to a foreign city for 2-3 days, so I will generally approach there and who knows, I've had things come out randomly from trips like that sometimes.
Regarding the dates there are some things I would like to mention.
Firstly, I had been trying to go on second and more dates with girls that were not kissing me in the first one. The general idea is that these girls are saying they need their time to trust someone, come close and kiss so I was thinking that alright I will let them take their time and just hang out with them without pushing anything.
Doesn't work at all, both girls that were like that told me after the second date that they don't feel it and we shouldn't continue. And they are right honestly, I don't even feel bad, because it wasn't very enjoyable for me either to be hanging around them without any physical contact or sexual energy, felt like I was just waiting when they would decide it's time to move things forward.
So I feel that at least for me, sitting around and waiting just doesn't work, I mean I cannot stay excited doing it, it feels that if the girl is not ready at least for a kiss during the first few hours we meet, it's not gonna go anywhere, and I am wasting time I could spend on other girls.
Secondly, there are also the girls that do kiss but don't come home with me on the first date. I had two that kissed me this week but didn't come to a seduction location.
I have to check how the situations will go with them, my bet is on that we won't meet again and it will go nowhere, but I have to really check to be sure.
My general thoughts regarding this is that although they may enjoy my company and are also attracted to me, spending time together romantically and deciding to not come to my place is in a way making them think that ok, he is attractive, but I have no other role for him in my life, we didn't sleep together, so now he will just expect it, I am not in the mood for that.
And this has to do with the vibe I have of course during the interaction, and I feel it has to do a lot with the fact that I do try to pull them home at the first date, and sometimes more than once.
I think it is important to get the feeling of whether the girl is in the mood to come home fast, then just do that and escalate there, which is the best scenario. If she is not in that mood, simply notice it and take her somewhere else first, get her in the mood and then pull her home. Any kind of multiple invitation home scenario I can think of, where I go for the pull when we leave the first location, and then again after we kiss at the second location, and get rejected twice seems to cement that I want sex, I didn't get it, and I won't get it.
And this makes me feel I should really make a decision as we are finishing our time at the first location regarding how I want to go about it.
If I feel that there is not much connection with the girl yet, I should just skip any invitation home, take her somewhere else, come closer and then go for the pull.
If I feel there is something there between us, I should go for the pull, handle any hesitation, question or condition she puts back, for example about how far my place is and how early she has to go home, and take her home.
I should just be totally clear about my decision and if she outright rejects the pull, then be totally fine with it, change the topic, do something else and not try to go for it again the same night unless it's really on.
And when in doubt, always go for the pull earlier than later.
The reason I am writing these down is because when I sometimes try to pull 2-3 times in a date I can have a girl telling me I am very fixated to going to my place. This is what happened today, I tried to pull once leaving the first location, then again while walking, then again after the kiss.
And I can deal with any answer in a very relaxed way, but it does feel I am subtly pushing it in every opportunity. So I should simply go for it fully when I decide it is the right moment, and if it doesn't work out just take it off my mind, and only propose it again if it really feels like we reached the point we really want it to happen.
This date today by the way was very interesting because she was quite reserved, and I feel I misjudged her as not interested enough. She gave me a very short hug initially, then sat opposite to me at the bar, and even when we kissed at the second location, we were sitting close, but she almost had her whole body and face turned away from me. I just decided to go for it and she turned and kissed me without resistance.
And I feel all this vibe made me unsure of whether I should have proposed a pull early, or she needed more time, which in the end made it all feel not particularly smooth. It was a good educational experience though, and why I mentioned being decisive about when I pull and also when in doubt pulling early.
My other date I kissed was away from my area, so I didn't have pulling in my mind a lot, but more enjoying myself. We got pretty close eventually and I proposed it, she didn't want to do it, so who knows as I said I'll see how it goes and if we meet again.
I also have another date nearby tomorrow, so we'll see, I'll have in mind to build the vibe and follow the pull principles I discussed.
Apart from all that, something to close this post with is that there are so many incredibly hot women around, it is ridiculous really. Especially now in the summer that I can also see more of their bodies, I catch myself sitting somewhere in public and being unable to concentrate by how many I would easily approach and enjoy taking to bed.
Of course I would love to increase my efficiency and get even more of them, and also the hottest ones more consistently, but what I want to point out is how much abundance exists. I really feel I am at a point that when I get rejected I care mostly about how my game looked like and what I could improve and very little about the girl, since I know that sooner or later there will be another like her around.
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A small update for the week.
First of all, thanks to eneryone who responds here or in reports, it always helps me to think about how I approach things and I spend time taking into account all comments.
I'd say that this FU report was the most interesting part of the week. I did some more approaches of course but nothing as significant.
One thing to pay attention is that sometimes I am not at the right state to approach, but if I see a girl I like I still go anyway, and it can end up being a weak approach.
So if I feel tired for example or not in the mood, I will still do the approach out of habit, but I should take a moment to fix my posture, ground myself and consciously look at the energy I present while approaching.
Also sometimes I feel that some girls like you no matter what and others don't like you no matter what. At least when it comes to street cold approach it seems that regardless the game I run, most of the times I can sense if a girl is interested or not pretty early.
Not saying that game is not useful, especially with girls that seem a bit intrigued but not sold it is valuable. I do feel though that a lot of them that seem interested will stay interested as long as you normally talk and ask them out, and a lot of them that are not will not get interested even if you manage to spike their emotions somehow and get the number.
I had 2 dates that were supposed to happen and didn't as well, quite probably just bad luck by the reasons they gave, but anyway.
Today I had a lunch informational date with a girl too. Only reason for that was that we couldn't find another time, I will be leaving for ten more days, and I decided it's better to just see her for a bit now, compared to the risk of trying to meet her when I am back, about three weeks after the approach.
Can't say it was great, not bad really, but a bit bland. I generally struggle with these kind of short dates, I still try them sometimes due to time constraints, but I honestly think I should just stop them completely and either be taking girls out with more time to get closer and maybe a chance to pull, or not at all.
Quite a bit of rain these days here too, so although I have done some approaches, I haven't been out as much. I also have some things planned the next days, so it is not very motivating to go approach when you don't feel you will have time to meet the girls for the next 2 weeks.
That's something I want to look at regarding the winter too. I mean that I want to keep 2-3 evenings of the week generally free if possible to go to dates.
This makes me think again how busy people date, especially those that don't see only one girl. Sometimes I feel that it is is not even easy to be meeting a girl every few weeks if you are both busy.
Which I don't mind personally, it's not like I am looking for some full time relationship, but it makes me feel even more that I should be moving faster and going for the close on the first meet or the first date. Since after that, it's not sure when you will meet again and whether in fact you will even meet again, with all the things and people that may happen in your lives in the meantime.
Not that this changes a lot how I have been approaching things till now, just finding interesting how people really do it, because I feel that even if I tried to get a girlfriend, we'd really not have much time to spend together.
All in all, I keep going, I am at a point where I care about seduction much more like a skill, or like an experience with women without putting some big importance to any particular one. So I'd say the main point for me now is how to manage to be having regular sexual experiences with the girls I like the most, in order to decide in the next years how and with which one I would want to be more serious eventually.
First of all, thanks to eneryone who responds here or in reports, it always helps me to think about how I approach things and I spend time taking into account all comments.
I'd say that this FU report was the most interesting part of the week. I did some more approaches of course but nothing as significant.
One thing to pay attention is that sometimes I am not at the right state to approach, but if I see a girl I like I still go anyway, and it can end up being a weak approach.
So if I feel tired for example or not in the mood, I will still do the approach out of habit, but I should take a moment to fix my posture, ground myself and consciously look at the energy I present while approaching.
Also sometimes I feel that some girls like you no matter what and others don't like you no matter what. At least when it comes to street cold approach it seems that regardless the game I run, most of the times I can sense if a girl is interested or not pretty early.
Not saying that game is not useful, especially with girls that seem a bit intrigued but not sold it is valuable. I do feel though that a lot of them that seem interested will stay interested as long as you normally talk and ask them out, and a lot of them that are not will not get interested even if you manage to spike their emotions somehow and get the number.
I had 2 dates that were supposed to happen and didn't as well, quite probably just bad luck by the reasons they gave, but anyway.
Today I had a lunch informational date with a girl too. Only reason for that was that we couldn't find another time, I will be leaving for ten more days, and I decided it's better to just see her for a bit now, compared to the risk of trying to meet her when I am back, about three weeks after the approach.
Can't say it was great, not bad really, but a bit bland. I generally struggle with these kind of short dates, I still try them sometimes due to time constraints, but I honestly think I should just stop them completely and either be taking girls out with more time to get closer and maybe a chance to pull, or not at all.
Quite a bit of rain these days here too, so although I have done some approaches, I haven't been out as much. I also have some things planned the next days, so it is not very motivating to go approach when you don't feel you will have time to meet the girls for the next 2 weeks.
That's something I want to look at regarding the winter too. I mean that I want to keep 2-3 evenings of the week generally free if possible to go to dates.
This makes me think again how busy people date, especially those that don't see only one girl. Sometimes I feel that it is is not even easy to be meeting a girl every few weeks if you are both busy.
Which I don't mind personally, it's not like I am looking for some full time relationship, but it makes me feel even more that I should be moving faster and going for the close on the first meet or the first date. Since after that, it's not sure when you will meet again and whether in fact you will even meet again, with all the things and people that may happen in your lives in the meantime.
Not that this changes a lot how I have been approaching things till now, just finding interesting how people really do it, because I feel that even if I tried to get a girlfriend, we'd really not have much time to spend together.
All in all, I keep going, I am at a point where I care about seduction much more like a skill, or like an experience with women without putting some big importance to any particular one. So I'd say the main point for me now is how to manage to be having regular sexual experiences with the girls I like the most, in order to decide in the next years how and with which one I would want to be more serious eventually.
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Where to start with this last week.
I will talk in this post about some general date/approach scenarios and observations, and the next post will be more like a field report.
Religious brazilian
I had a date in fact minutes after I finished writing the journal last Monday. I didn’t think it would happen because the girl had sent a text asking me if I plan to invite her to my place again.
We had met few weeks earlier and I literally tried to take her straight from the train station to my place, she realised it outside my door, didn’t want to, so I brought her back to the train station.
And I told her in the text that I don’t have a plan, we sit outside to connect and then we see what we want to do. And she answered “thanks for understanding”, so for some reason I thought she wouldn’t come and I even told a friend to meet each other that evening.
Suddenly as I was checking whatsapp she texted me she would be some minutes late and I realised she was coming, so got ready and went to meet her.
It was interesting, because I could feel a vibe at the bar, she didn’t feel unreceptive to my touch, and also said that she had talked to her cousin about me and she had said she had declined doing something else because we would be meeting. She had still mentioned that she was religious and wants to get to know someone first though, so I wasn’t sure how it would go.
We went for a walk after having a drink and I tried to kiss her but she declined, so I eventually brought her back to the station, and went to meet my friend.
I am really not sure why she keeps coming to meet me, she said she would be interested to see me again if I also want it, because I clearly move fast while she wants things slower . I mean I do back off when she doesn’t want it, but it’s feels funny to me that she doesn’t lose interest.
She is staying in my city till the end of the summer at her cousin’s place, so who knows, we may meet again, really wondering how she expects it to go though.
Had 2-3 approaches with numbers till Wednesday too, pretty cute girls, but I left on Thursday and will come back after a week, so I don’t know if any will still be interested to meet then.
Some thoughts on escalation timing and putting pressure on myself
Wednesday evening I also went to meet another girl that was in my area only for 10 days. We went for a walk at night around the village she was staying, I made a move for a kiss at some point, can’t say I was feeling she was that receptive, but wanted to go for it, since it was the last chance we would be seeing each other.
She rejected it, then we parted ways nicely, and it makes me wonder if I should be taking things way more slowly and be escalating only when we have for sure reached that point in the interaction.
Feels a bit like I am burning the dates down sometimes by making moves anyway no matter how it’s going, but I still think it is better than not making a move, especially in cases that you won’t have more time with a girl. My idea is that it’s better to risk not seeing her again than to risk staying as only friends.
I am probably also pretty hard on myself for not managing to have first date sex with girls from daygame consistently, because I have read some other posts lately even by more experienced guys and it looks like it’s not so obvious. I mean talking with a girl for few minutes in the street and then taking her out and sleeping with her after 1-2 hours.
So I could relax a bit, focus more on the interactions progressing, still go for the close, but be totally fine if some may need more time and not all lead to sex.
After all that I went for 3-4 days to visit an a big city in an Eastern European/Asian country. Interesting experience culturally wise, I’ll keep it seduction relevant here.
For a start, I should stop making a lot of assumptions and letting them affect me. I approached a girl that seemed to be by herself at a bench, and had a guy come up to me pretty aggressively asking what I want from her. I left wondering if this is even a good place for cold approaching so obviously, but a bit later I saw them together as a couple and it made more sense.
I also had another approach to a walking hot girl around an ancient palace, I gave her an honest compliment, she just said thanks and left immediately, making me think that probably my approach was very weak. Some time later also saw her kissing another guy she was together with, so it made more sense again.
I feel I put much pressure on me doing things properly and generally I assume that if an interaction doesn’t go well, there is something I could have done better. That said the reality is you cannot always know what the full story is and why you are getting rejected, so it’s good to take some lessons from every interaction but without dwelling on it a lot.
I will talk in this post about some general date/approach scenarios and observations, and the next post will be more like a field report.
Religious brazilian
I had a date in fact minutes after I finished writing the journal last Monday. I didn’t think it would happen because the girl had sent a text asking me if I plan to invite her to my place again.
We had met few weeks earlier and I literally tried to take her straight from the train station to my place, she realised it outside my door, didn’t want to, so I brought her back to the train station.
And I told her in the text that I don’t have a plan, we sit outside to connect and then we see what we want to do. And she answered “thanks for understanding”, so for some reason I thought she wouldn’t come and I even told a friend to meet each other that evening.
Suddenly as I was checking whatsapp she texted me she would be some minutes late and I realised she was coming, so got ready and went to meet her.
It was interesting, because I could feel a vibe at the bar, she didn’t feel unreceptive to my touch, and also said that she had talked to her cousin about me and she had said she had declined doing something else because we would be meeting. She had still mentioned that she was religious and wants to get to know someone first though, so I wasn’t sure how it would go.
We went for a walk after having a drink and I tried to kiss her but she declined, so I eventually brought her back to the station, and went to meet my friend.
I am really not sure why she keeps coming to meet me, she said she would be interested to see me again if I also want it, because I clearly move fast while she wants things slower . I mean I do back off when she doesn’t want it, but it’s feels funny to me that she doesn’t lose interest.
She is staying in my city till the end of the summer at her cousin’s place, so who knows, we may meet again, really wondering how she expects it to go though.
Had 2-3 approaches with numbers till Wednesday too, pretty cute girls, but I left on Thursday and will come back after a week, so I don’t know if any will still be interested to meet then.
Some thoughts on escalation timing and putting pressure on myself
Wednesday evening I also went to meet another girl that was in my area only for 10 days. We went for a walk at night around the village she was staying, I made a move for a kiss at some point, can’t say I was feeling she was that receptive, but wanted to go for it, since it was the last chance we would be seeing each other.
She rejected it, then we parted ways nicely, and it makes me wonder if I should be taking things way more slowly and be escalating only when we have for sure reached that point in the interaction.
Feels a bit like I am burning the dates down sometimes by making moves anyway no matter how it’s going, but I still think it is better than not making a move, especially in cases that you won’t have more time with a girl. My idea is that it’s better to risk not seeing her again than to risk staying as only friends.
I am probably also pretty hard on myself for not managing to have first date sex with girls from daygame consistently, because I have read some other posts lately even by more experienced guys and it looks like it’s not so obvious. I mean talking with a girl for few minutes in the street and then taking her out and sleeping with her after 1-2 hours.
So I could relax a bit, focus more on the interactions progressing, still go for the close, but be totally fine if some may need more time and not all lead to sex.
After all that I went for 3-4 days to visit an a big city in an Eastern European/Asian country. Interesting experience culturally wise, I’ll keep it seduction relevant here.
For a start, I should stop making a lot of assumptions and letting them affect me. I approached a girl that seemed to be by herself at a bench, and had a guy come up to me pretty aggressively asking what I want from her. I left wondering if this is even a good place for cold approaching so obviously, but a bit later I saw them together as a couple and it made more sense.
I also had another approach to a walking hot girl around an ancient palace, I gave her an honest compliment, she just said thanks and left immediately, making me think that probably my approach was very weak. Some time later also saw her kissing another guy she was together with, so it made more sense again.
I feel I put much pressure on me doing things properly and generally I assume that if an interaction doesn’t go well, there is something I could have done better. That said the reality is you cannot always know what the full story is and why you are getting rejected, so it’s good to take some lessons from every interaction but without dwelling on it a lot.
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Let’s go to the two interactions that were substantial in this trip, more in field report format.
Liberal lawyer
Approach and planning the meet
I approached a classy looking girl walking towards me in the busy main touristic street, stopped her with a compliment about her style and interacted for a bit.
She was a local and quite responsive, recognised fast where I was from, seemed to have knowledge of my culture, and after learning she was a lawyer and asking what her plans were, I went for a number close, telling her we could meet one of these evenings after my sightseeing. I didn’t have internet connection that first day there, so she proposed I gave her my whatsapp and she would text me. I did, thinking that there was low probability of it happening, but she eventually texted after a while.
I asked how her evening looked but she had gone home already, so I then proposed going out for a drink the following day and she agreed, so we had a time planned.
The next day came and after arriving at my room in the evening, I texted her, she proposed I could come join earlier with her friends eating, but I wanted to take a bath and rest so we agreed to meet nearby after she was done with eating.
Date
After meeting we started walking thinking to which bar to go, we walked quite a bit in the city, she was more lost than me at one point and I teased her about it, saying I’ll show her the way in her own city.
I could feel a good vibe, she was feeling receptive to my touch and comfortable being close to me and playful in the conversation.
We went at the bar, sat opposite to each other, and we started talking and connecting.
She had an interesting story, basically she was in a political party that was going against the not so democratic government, telling me she has a lot of friends in prison as well.
She also told me she is 43, lived a long time for studies abroad and then came back because she wanted to do the best she could about her country.
Throughout all this exchange I figured out what was her dream, she told me that she wanted to go and build some career abroad but now the years have passed and she is not sure if she will ever be able to say that her work in her country is finished and she can leave. I told her there is always time to realise the dreams, she challenged it saying I think like that because I am young and then I told her the important thing is living the way it fulfils you, and knowing what you prioritise and sacrifice and for what reason, because you always have to, and also that what she is doing now in her country is really important for her and that is what matters.
We talked a bit about relationships too, she was with a guy from my country before, then complained how men are inconsistent, disappearing, then appearing again when they feel they can’t find something better. I expressed my views on being authentic and open and fully living in the moment and giving your everything to the woman you spend time with.
I was feeling a good connection, so I proposed a walk, and told her to take us somewhere a bit more quiet because I didn’t know the area that well.
During the walk I asked her how much she knew of my language, then I told her few words and phrases to test it. I ended up telling her: “I want to kiss you”, she said she understood it, but was still giving me some logical conversation because we were talking about dating and flirting earlier. So I told her in my language: “I mean it”. She didn’t know that one, I explained the meaning and then told her to put all of it together: “I want to kiss you, I mean it”. She went silent for a moment, I felt it was on so I stopped walking, turned her head and we kissed.
And damn she was passionate. I broke it first, but felt she was ready to eat me. Gave her one more, then we kept walking, applauded her for being so free to do all this in public there, and then as we were passing from my hotel area I proposed we go chill there for a bit.
Pull and LMR
She told me that she had to go home, because she was flying the next day, hadn’t packed and her cousin was staying at her place waiting for her, but she could come for 15 minutes.
So we went to my hotel, they asked in the reception for her passport, she explained in her local language that she would stay only for 15 minutes so it should be fine, and we went up.
I sat at the bed, she was at a chair in front of me, so I joked that this looked either like an interrogations or the scene from basic instinct. Then told her to come close to me and she came to the bed.
We went into kissing immediately and fell onto the bed, she was saying we can’t have sex, I was saying no sex of course, still escalating.
After making out and holding her tight in my arms changing positions on the bed, I came in my pants again which I thought would have been a problem this time due to the time issue, but after cleaning myself in the bathroom she was still waiting at the bed eagerly and we went back into it.
Her dress felt a bit complicated to take off so I went for the pussy area pretty fast, using my hand to rub her above and inside her panties, and she was really loving it.
She was telling me that I really know what I am doing, but she kept saying we should stop and pushed away, and that we can’t do that, she is liberal but more conservative at this and has never been with a stranger, and we also told the guy 15 minutes and they are already past and who knows if anyone around recognised her and word would come out.
I took my dick and some condoms out but she wasn’t budging, telling me I promised her we wouldn’t have sex, which I didn’t technically do but anyway. She was pretty firm about not doing it and really having to leave early so I didn’t push it more, relaxed for a bit at the bed and had her lay with me there.
After a bit, I played with her ass/pussy area again which was making her really excited, but apart from saying she wished I was 15 years older, she pulled away and we slowly got dressed and went down.
Conclusions
I walked with her all the way to her place and talked and connected more, learning she is really into pole fitness and I shared I. It’s quite funny, because after most of my failed sex attempts girls tell me what a lovely great guy I am, which I am not sure how to take.
I mean I guess it’s good, it’s not even a nice guy rejection, since we were getting heavily sexual earlier, I simply struggle to grasp it fully. Here is this guy that is very sexually exciting, he also seems like a genuinely great guy but I won’t sleep with him. Only thing I have in mind is that I don’t connect enough before sex, and then after we don’t sleep together, when I stay around with nothing to gain sexually anymore, they realise I really like their company and I don’t care only for sex.
Not sure how to show all that earlier though, maybe by going slower? I suppose if we have more time in the night it could work, but sometimes it feels we don’t.
In fact with this girl I had a combination of what happened in my other report a week ago. Someone who didn’t have much time and also who I escalated fairly fast on back at my place.
And I think that the biggest issue was the hotel part, that they needed a passport if someone stayed over, and that the girl had told the receptionist she would be down fast. So there was some external pressure to not stay long, and adding to that the fact that she had been around the area before and she had this though she could also be recognised as a political figure, it wasn’t a great situation to relax and take our time together for an amazing night.
Good to know to only book rooms that let me more free to bring whoever I want, like I had last week. I did close once in a situation similar to this one, with a girl that was very down to fuck and asking for a passport/id didn’t matter to her at all, but this is not the norm.
Oh and regarding me finishing inside my pants while making out, it does start to frustrate me a bit. Not so much practically, after few minutes I can be ready to go and last longer way more easily than if i try to hold it in initially. But it feels a bit like I have no control over myself and won’t lie, if girls realised what happened I would feel somehow embarrassed. And it’s fine with these girls that don’t know me, but if I were to get sexual with a girl that knows me socially I would have some fear of what reputation it would give me.
I don’t think there is much I can do at that moment, I guess I can only try not to get so excited but when I tried it in similar scenarios I just ended up finishing very fast inside the woman, which felt even worse. Because if it happens outside, it’s more of a mental orgasm so not that intense and I can be ready to go at it faster.
Anyway, the main thing in my mind is taking care of my daily habits and health. As I have said in these trips I can get very tired going around sightseeing, not sleeping or eating well, so it surely affects me, I can feel it in my body. Maybe also trying to masturbate with ejaculation at least once per week could help. Because I have been doing kegels already, but in this situation it all feels too early and too fast, to actively try to stop it.
Bimbo beautician
For the second significant interaction of this trip, we will have a pretty unique one.
Approach and planning the meet
I saw this girl walking towards me as I was leaving a sea promenade area. I approached immediately telling her how elegant she looked, she said thanks and kept walking.
I stayed where I was, asked her name, she gave one, so I told her mine. She stopped, asked me if I am really called like that, I told her yes, so she walked back towards me all interested about it.
It seems that my name has some specific form of power over a bunch of eastern european women by the way. I obviously can’t share it, but I’ve got different Ukrainian/Russian women being all interested in how I am called, and feeling a bit like it was a sign from God to meet me.
So my name got me this hook, I talked just for a bit with the girl, then said I was going to visit some other places, but we should exchange numbers and go for a drink. As she was giving me her number she also told me her real name is another one, and she just gave a fake one initially since she didn’t know what I wanted.
Texted her later that day, but she responded fairly late, I had already started going out and I simply sent her a picture from the view I had in my bar, without trying to plan something.
The following day I had my date planned with the previous girl, so I decided to text this one and plan a date for a day later. She was responding so minimally with few words texts, so it was very straightforward, like yes tomorrow works, ok let’s meet then and there.
Next day came, and we met close to the area of the rooftop bar we would be going to. To get an understanding of the girl, imagine a blond slim tallish woman with blue eyes, huge duck lips, an elegant white summer dress and high heels. The kind of woman basically that everyone was taking a good look at when she was passing by, surely one the most typically hot “everyone is drooling over me” girls I’ve been out with.
So it was a good practice to see how I would handle myself with her. And it was very obvious from early on that she was doing things her own way.
First location
We went up at the rooftop and she just started walking all around taking pictures and videos even though we had ordered and had a place to sit.
My approach to this was sitting relaxed expecting her to come back, which she did. Then she said we were too close to the speakers, which she was right about, so I proposed we moved to the other side. We did that, and she went around to take more pictures. She wasn’t even sitting down when coming in fact, I told her to sit but she said she didn’t want to, I gave her a tease about how it would make her butt look ugly, but not sure if she got it.
After a bit she saw another seat with better view opening up so she proposed to go there. We did, I was going through all that being pretty chill and the good thing is that she was helping carry our stuff from place to place, so I was tasking her a bit with that.
At that last place she started getting cold after a bit, so she told me it was too much and she would like to go down. I told her to give me few minutes to finish my drink and we can do that. Then as we were leaving I told her I wanted to take some pictures of the other side too, and had her wait for me standing by the entrance.
Second location
When we went down, she proposed another bar close by, in a very nice hotel, and we went there. Pretty cool place, we had once more the issue of her not liking the first seats we took, because they were too high and difficult for her to move, but at least at the second table we properly both sat down and spent the rest of our time there without any other logistical interruptions.
Now when experiencing all that I was kinda amused, took it all as a funny situation watching where it would lead. I knew that there could be no seduction with all this moving around, but I somehow had a feeling that me being all chill about it, showing I don’t mind having her wait too and do the things I want, would have a better effect than telling her to just stay at one place.
And eventually we did have some time to talk in that second bar so I feel I handled it well. The conversation was funny as well, because she was telling me she loves the city we are in, but when I was asking for a reason she was just saying she can’t explain it, it’s magic.
I was asking what she enjoys, she was telling me history, and visiting all the monuments and was asking back what I visited and why I didn’t visit some places. I held my opinion on what I liked here and also tried to build some similarity, it wasn’t the easiest communication though, mostly because she felt like a person that doesn’t even know why she likes what she likes or why she does what she does.
Pretty funny, I learned that she is a beautician and that her passion is history and I asked her why she likes history so much, she couldn’t answer, and after a while she told me she just realised her father was taking her to all the museums when she was little, and that’s why she likes history and hadn’t thought about it earlier. She felt really amazed by how I helped her discover something new about herself, and I was equally amazed by how she had never even thought about it in her life, but I also started getting a bit excited because I was affecting her.
Then we went into talking about men, she gave me some story of a guy creeping her out the previous day, basically begging her to go out, and I told her that most men probably feel intimidated and they only see the exterior, and she was telling me how right I am and how she is not only how she looks. I went into how it’s about being in the moment, feeling the energy and connecting deeply with a person, which is what makes the experience really unique. We had a pretty intense moment there, looking deeply at each other, not a very good angle to try anything more though.
At the same time I received a tinder message by a girl saying she would want to try convincing me to stay there more, so I was thinking ok this sounds dtf, I have to see how it is going with this girl and whether I can plan to also meet the tinder one a bit later.
I proposed to the blond girl to go for a walk nearby. Asked her if it is also possible to sit and talk at her place, she said no, so I said : “Yeah in mine it is difficult too, maybe only for a bit, so we can go towards the promenade, it is a bit far but we can make it nice”.
She then said she had to go to the toilet and she would be back. She was never back.
Conclusions
In the beginning I thought maybe she was just taking her time like earlier, but after some more minutes I realised what was happening. Sent her a text: “You ok?” , just to be sure, also went to the toilets because I wanted to exclude any possibility of something bad happening to her there, and then left. At least she was not drinking alcohol so all this wasn’t very expensive for me.
Oh and the tinder girl was lost too, I texted back quite some time after her response, because of making sure what the situation with the blond one was first, so I feel she just found someone else who responded faster and never came back to me.
Funny how things can change so fast. At least I wasn’t affected by her leaving. I don’t think I could have escalated in any way that night if she left due to me just mentioning going somewhere alone together. I was thinking it is what it is, it was an interesting experience anyway, and next day I saw she connected in whatsapp again which means she is surely alright, so all good.
After all that, I was in quite a mood to go out and game in fact, but I got a severe stomachache after leaving the hotel we were with the blond girl, so my body was really not following and I decided to go and take a good rest for the last night there.
I did enjoy the whole thing though, because it made me realise that even in front of the most typically hot women, I can be relaxed and really treat them like I do any other interaction. I was mostly moving through the general process I have with girls, and was only adjusting myself a bit to her particular behaviours. Maybe I could have put even more pressure on her, asking for more qualification, but this is something I can calibrate.
And this is good, it means I’ve reached a point where I can focus way more on getting the very hot girls’ attention and then figuring out the right steps to make it work with them, without having any strong emotional reactions to their beauty. I can more or less treat them like any other girl.
To conclude, I will be in my home country now for few days to see family and I am coming back to my place in the weekend. May try to ping a number of girls to see if I can have some ready to meet when I am back, and generally I am starting working from next week, which means I’ll get into a clearer schedule.
Not that bad for seduction though, because it will help me get more focused and specific.
Liberal lawyer
Approach and planning the meet
I approached a classy looking girl walking towards me in the busy main touristic street, stopped her with a compliment about her style and interacted for a bit.
She was a local and quite responsive, recognised fast where I was from, seemed to have knowledge of my culture, and after learning she was a lawyer and asking what her plans were, I went for a number close, telling her we could meet one of these evenings after my sightseeing. I didn’t have internet connection that first day there, so she proposed I gave her my whatsapp and she would text me. I did, thinking that there was low probability of it happening, but she eventually texted after a while.
I asked how her evening looked but she had gone home already, so I then proposed going out for a drink the following day and she agreed, so we had a time planned.
The next day came and after arriving at my room in the evening, I texted her, she proposed I could come join earlier with her friends eating, but I wanted to take a bath and rest so we agreed to meet nearby after she was done with eating.
Date
After meeting we started walking thinking to which bar to go, we walked quite a bit in the city, she was more lost than me at one point and I teased her about it, saying I’ll show her the way in her own city.
I could feel a good vibe, she was feeling receptive to my touch and comfortable being close to me and playful in the conversation.
We went at the bar, sat opposite to each other, and we started talking and connecting.
She had an interesting story, basically she was in a political party that was going against the not so democratic government, telling me she has a lot of friends in prison as well.
She also told me she is 43, lived a long time for studies abroad and then came back because she wanted to do the best she could about her country.
Throughout all this exchange I figured out what was her dream, she told me that she wanted to go and build some career abroad but now the years have passed and she is not sure if she will ever be able to say that her work in her country is finished and she can leave. I told her there is always time to realise the dreams, she challenged it saying I think like that because I am young and then I told her the important thing is living the way it fulfils you, and knowing what you prioritise and sacrifice and for what reason, because you always have to, and also that what she is doing now in her country is really important for her and that is what matters.
We talked a bit about relationships too, she was with a guy from my country before, then complained how men are inconsistent, disappearing, then appearing again when they feel they can’t find something better. I expressed my views on being authentic and open and fully living in the moment and giving your everything to the woman you spend time with.
I was feeling a good connection, so I proposed a walk, and told her to take us somewhere a bit more quiet because I didn’t know the area that well.
During the walk I asked her how much she knew of my language, then I told her few words and phrases to test it. I ended up telling her: “I want to kiss you”, she said she understood it, but was still giving me some logical conversation because we were talking about dating and flirting earlier. So I told her in my language: “I mean it”. She didn’t know that one, I explained the meaning and then told her to put all of it together: “I want to kiss you, I mean it”. She went silent for a moment, I felt it was on so I stopped walking, turned her head and we kissed.
And damn she was passionate. I broke it first, but felt she was ready to eat me. Gave her one more, then we kept walking, applauded her for being so free to do all this in public there, and then as we were passing from my hotel area I proposed we go chill there for a bit.
Pull and LMR
She told me that she had to go home, because she was flying the next day, hadn’t packed and her cousin was staying at her place waiting for her, but she could come for 15 minutes.
So we went to my hotel, they asked in the reception for her passport, she explained in her local language that she would stay only for 15 minutes so it should be fine, and we went up.
I sat at the bed, she was at a chair in front of me, so I joked that this looked either like an interrogations or the scene from basic instinct. Then told her to come close to me and she came to the bed.
We went into kissing immediately and fell onto the bed, she was saying we can’t have sex, I was saying no sex of course, still escalating.
After making out and holding her tight in my arms changing positions on the bed, I came in my pants again which I thought would have been a problem this time due to the time issue, but after cleaning myself in the bathroom she was still waiting at the bed eagerly and we went back into it.
Her dress felt a bit complicated to take off so I went for the pussy area pretty fast, using my hand to rub her above and inside her panties, and she was really loving it.
She was telling me that I really know what I am doing, but she kept saying we should stop and pushed away, and that we can’t do that, she is liberal but more conservative at this and has never been with a stranger, and we also told the guy 15 minutes and they are already past and who knows if anyone around recognised her and word would come out.
I took my dick and some condoms out but she wasn’t budging, telling me I promised her we wouldn’t have sex, which I didn’t technically do but anyway. She was pretty firm about not doing it and really having to leave early so I didn’t push it more, relaxed for a bit at the bed and had her lay with me there.
After a bit, I played with her ass/pussy area again which was making her really excited, but apart from saying she wished I was 15 years older, she pulled away and we slowly got dressed and went down.
Conclusions
I walked with her all the way to her place and talked and connected more, learning she is really into pole fitness and I shared I. It’s quite funny, because after most of my failed sex attempts girls tell me what a lovely great guy I am, which I am not sure how to take.
I mean I guess it’s good, it’s not even a nice guy rejection, since we were getting heavily sexual earlier, I simply struggle to grasp it fully. Here is this guy that is very sexually exciting, he also seems like a genuinely great guy but I won’t sleep with him. Only thing I have in mind is that I don’t connect enough before sex, and then after we don’t sleep together, when I stay around with nothing to gain sexually anymore, they realise I really like their company and I don’t care only for sex.
Not sure how to show all that earlier though, maybe by going slower? I suppose if we have more time in the night it could work, but sometimes it feels we don’t.
In fact with this girl I had a combination of what happened in my other report a week ago. Someone who didn’t have much time and also who I escalated fairly fast on back at my place.
And I think that the biggest issue was the hotel part, that they needed a passport if someone stayed over, and that the girl had told the receptionist she would be down fast. So there was some external pressure to not stay long, and adding to that the fact that she had been around the area before and she had this though she could also be recognised as a political figure, it wasn’t a great situation to relax and take our time together for an amazing night.
Good to know to only book rooms that let me more free to bring whoever I want, like I had last week. I did close once in a situation similar to this one, with a girl that was very down to fuck and asking for a passport/id didn’t matter to her at all, but this is not the norm.
Oh and regarding me finishing inside my pants while making out, it does start to frustrate me a bit. Not so much practically, after few minutes I can be ready to go and last longer way more easily than if i try to hold it in initially. But it feels a bit like I have no control over myself and won’t lie, if girls realised what happened I would feel somehow embarrassed. And it’s fine with these girls that don’t know me, but if I were to get sexual with a girl that knows me socially I would have some fear of what reputation it would give me.
I don’t think there is much I can do at that moment, I guess I can only try not to get so excited but when I tried it in similar scenarios I just ended up finishing very fast inside the woman, which felt even worse. Because if it happens outside, it’s more of a mental orgasm so not that intense and I can be ready to go at it faster.
Anyway, the main thing in my mind is taking care of my daily habits and health. As I have said in these trips I can get very tired going around sightseeing, not sleeping or eating well, so it surely affects me, I can feel it in my body. Maybe also trying to masturbate with ejaculation at least once per week could help. Because I have been doing kegels already, but in this situation it all feels too early and too fast, to actively try to stop it.
Bimbo beautician
For the second significant interaction of this trip, we will have a pretty unique one.
Approach and planning the meet
I saw this girl walking towards me as I was leaving a sea promenade area. I approached immediately telling her how elegant she looked, she said thanks and kept walking.
I stayed where I was, asked her name, she gave one, so I told her mine. She stopped, asked me if I am really called like that, I told her yes, so she walked back towards me all interested about it.
It seems that my name has some specific form of power over a bunch of eastern european women by the way. I obviously can’t share it, but I’ve got different Ukrainian/Russian women being all interested in how I am called, and feeling a bit like it was a sign from God to meet me.
So my name got me this hook, I talked just for a bit with the girl, then said I was going to visit some other places, but we should exchange numbers and go for a drink. As she was giving me her number she also told me her real name is another one, and she just gave a fake one initially since she didn’t know what I wanted.
Texted her later that day, but she responded fairly late, I had already started going out and I simply sent her a picture from the view I had in my bar, without trying to plan something.
The following day I had my date planned with the previous girl, so I decided to text this one and plan a date for a day later. She was responding so minimally with few words texts, so it was very straightforward, like yes tomorrow works, ok let’s meet then and there.
Next day came, and we met close to the area of the rooftop bar we would be going to. To get an understanding of the girl, imagine a blond slim tallish woman with blue eyes, huge duck lips, an elegant white summer dress and high heels. The kind of woman basically that everyone was taking a good look at when she was passing by, surely one the most typically hot “everyone is drooling over me” girls I’ve been out with.
So it was a good practice to see how I would handle myself with her. And it was very obvious from early on that she was doing things her own way.
First location
We went up at the rooftop and she just started walking all around taking pictures and videos even though we had ordered and had a place to sit.
My approach to this was sitting relaxed expecting her to come back, which she did. Then she said we were too close to the speakers, which she was right about, so I proposed we moved to the other side. We did that, and she went around to take more pictures. She wasn’t even sitting down when coming in fact, I told her to sit but she said she didn’t want to, I gave her a tease about how it would make her butt look ugly, but not sure if she got it.
After a bit she saw another seat with better view opening up so she proposed to go there. We did, I was going through all that being pretty chill and the good thing is that she was helping carry our stuff from place to place, so I was tasking her a bit with that.
At that last place she started getting cold after a bit, so she told me it was too much and she would like to go down. I told her to give me few minutes to finish my drink and we can do that. Then as we were leaving I told her I wanted to take some pictures of the other side too, and had her wait for me standing by the entrance.
Second location
When we went down, she proposed another bar close by, in a very nice hotel, and we went there. Pretty cool place, we had once more the issue of her not liking the first seats we took, because they were too high and difficult for her to move, but at least at the second table we properly both sat down and spent the rest of our time there without any other logistical interruptions.
Now when experiencing all that I was kinda amused, took it all as a funny situation watching where it would lead. I knew that there could be no seduction with all this moving around, but I somehow had a feeling that me being all chill about it, showing I don’t mind having her wait too and do the things I want, would have a better effect than telling her to just stay at one place.
And eventually we did have some time to talk in that second bar so I feel I handled it well. The conversation was funny as well, because she was telling me she loves the city we are in, but when I was asking for a reason she was just saying she can’t explain it, it’s magic.
I was asking what she enjoys, she was telling me history, and visiting all the monuments and was asking back what I visited and why I didn’t visit some places. I held my opinion on what I liked here and also tried to build some similarity, it wasn’t the easiest communication though, mostly because she felt like a person that doesn’t even know why she likes what she likes or why she does what she does.
Pretty funny, I learned that she is a beautician and that her passion is history and I asked her why she likes history so much, she couldn’t answer, and after a while she told me she just realised her father was taking her to all the museums when she was little, and that’s why she likes history and hadn’t thought about it earlier. She felt really amazed by how I helped her discover something new about herself, and I was equally amazed by how she had never even thought about it in her life, but I also started getting a bit excited because I was affecting her.
Then we went into talking about men, she gave me some story of a guy creeping her out the previous day, basically begging her to go out, and I told her that most men probably feel intimidated and they only see the exterior, and she was telling me how right I am and how she is not only how she looks. I went into how it’s about being in the moment, feeling the energy and connecting deeply with a person, which is what makes the experience really unique. We had a pretty intense moment there, looking deeply at each other, not a very good angle to try anything more though.
At the same time I received a tinder message by a girl saying she would want to try convincing me to stay there more, so I was thinking ok this sounds dtf, I have to see how it is going with this girl and whether I can plan to also meet the tinder one a bit later.
I proposed to the blond girl to go for a walk nearby. Asked her if it is also possible to sit and talk at her place, she said no, so I said : “Yeah in mine it is difficult too, maybe only for a bit, so we can go towards the promenade, it is a bit far but we can make it nice”.
She then said she had to go to the toilet and she would be back. She was never back.
Conclusions
In the beginning I thought maybe she was just taking her time like earlier, but after some more minutes I realised what was happening. Sent her a text: “You ok?” , just to be sure, also went to the toilets because I wanted to exclude any possibility of something bad happening to her there, and then left. At least she was not drinking alcohol so all this wasn’t very expensive for me.
Oh and the tinder girl was lost too, I texted back quite some time after her response, because of making sure what the situation with the blond one was first, so I feel she just found someone else who responded faster and never came back to me.
Funny how things can change so fast. At least I wasn’t affected by her leaving. I don’t think I could have escalated in any way that night if she left due to me just mentioning going somewhere alone together. I was thinking it is what it is, it was an interesting experience anyway, and next day I saw she connected in whatsapp again which means she is surely alright, so all good.
After all that, I was in quite a mood to go out and game in fact, but I got a severe stomachache after leaving the hotel we were with the blond girl, so my body was really not following and I decided to go and take a good rest for the last night there.
I did enjoy the whole thing though, because it made me realise that even in front of the most typically hot women, I can be relaxed and really treat them like I do any other interaction. I was mostly moving through the general process I have with girls, and was only adjusting myself a bit to her particular behaviours. Maybe I could have put even more pressure on her, asking for more qualification, but this is something I can calibrate.
And this is good, it means I’ve reached a point where I can focus way more on getting the very hot girls’ attention and then figuring out the right steps to make it work with them, without having any strong emotional reactions to their beauty. I can more or less treat them like any other girl.
To conclude, I will be in my home country now for few days to see family and I am coming back to my place in the weekend. May try to ping a number of girls to see if I can have some ready to meet when I am back, and generally I am starting working from next week, which means I’ll get into a clearer schedule.
Not that bad for seduction though, because it will help me get more focused and specific.