Special Girl Great set, great early texting, she ghosts

[Skills]

The thing is I don't think there is even a boyfriend at all, she may be just saying this as a rejection, no different than when you open a girl and says "I have a boyfriend"

 

[kristian]

The thing is I don't think there is even a boyfriend at all, she may be just saying this as a rejection, no different than when you open a girl and says "I have a boyfriend"

Man in her life or not, it's still a rejection. Doesn't matter for @Phoenix .

And @Phoenix , why did you fall hard for a girl you barely know? Do you approach enough? I believe this can have something to do with a lack of abundance (correct me if I am wrong).

 

[Skjöldr]

Man in her life or not, it's still a rejection. Doesn't matter for @Phoenix .

And @Phoenix , why did you fall hard for a girl you barely know? Do you approach enough? I believe this can have something to do with a lack of abundance (correct me if I am wrong).

I approach like 15-30 girls a week on average. This girl was just sort of way above the baseline so i fought extra hard.

The thing is I don't think there is even a boyfriend at all, she may be just saying this as a rejection, no different than when you open a girl and says "I have a boyfriend"

Not a boyfriend, but she was on a date when i saw her, she is dating this dude and maybe betting a bit on him who knows. Not all girls date multiple dudes at once and stick to one dude at a time.

 

[Skjöldr]

She got back in touch, but she's a bit of a nutcase, saying how if we are gonna start dating i cannot see other girls because she don't wanna kiss me if i kiss other girls and whatever. Saying she doesn't want me to get to know other girls, i should only get to know her. Either this is some nuclear frame testing or she's a lunatic and hitting it hard to find a provider she can frame-control. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt so i slided off her bullshit as best i could and suggested we have a call because it was a long time since we talked. I wanna re-seduce her and get to the bottom of this. Giving her the benefit of the doubt and see if i can change her mind. I don't wanna get with her if she's a possesive weirdo no matter how hot she is.

She also said the reason she stopped contacting me was that she talked with her friend the night i approached her and her friend said i had also approached her and that she shouldnt go out with me because i'm crazy. She said i had approached her and kept following her when she had said no which is blatantly false because i always turn my heel when a girl keeps walking or gives me a no. Apparently some girls out there still have the wrong idea. Anyways, that's just life gaming girls in a small-medium sized city.

This girl with her "only date one person at a time" and her hyper monogamy seems to me that she needs a high level of security. This is the type of girl, a 9/10, who i would be down to be girlfriend/boyfriend with just to try it out (i wanna try new things in game, i've had my share of one-time-stands with 6s and 7s for now) but not if she's a insane.

 

[Skjöldr]

She's losing it because i don't wanna let her inside my instagram profile. This hottie is used to get anything she wants. "Why's your profile private? What are you hiding? "Baby ponies" "open it" "nope" "why not? It is annoying me limitlessly" ahaha.

 

[Velasco]

"low value as fuck horrible strategy" "I guarantee you he will never hear from her again"

Please allow me 1 second to bask in the validation of being right yet again

ok now

She also said the reason she stopped contacting me was that she talked with her friend the night i approached her and her friend said i had also approached her and that she shouldnt go out with me because i'm crazy. She said i had approached her and kept following her when she had said no which is blatantly false because i always turn my heel when a girl keeps walking or gives me a no. Apparently some girls out there still have the wrong idea. Anyways, that's just life gaming girls in a small-medium sized city.

Calling her is the correct strategy. you want to specifically clarify THIS. how you never follow girls who say no. this is creepy behavior and your not like that. if need be you can talk with her friend in front of your girl about this lie. if you want to try bf/gf relationship with this 9/10. then by all means go for it, brother. what i would recommend tho, is to just be honest with who you are. that you like her but don't really know her that well, and her behavior right now is definitely NOT making you want to make her your gf right now. so you are welcome to give her a chance can meet and see if her in person behavior is different but if not then you wish her the best with her bf.

also final note: living in small city, doing daygame as your primer way of meeting girls, is difficult to continue getting new supply of girls this way without eventually getting caught. why i like ny nightlife with it's anonymity. so online game i guess for now, while you are with her.

 

[Skjöldr]

Yes dude exactly how i handled it said i want chemistry and know a person well and if it's amazing, then naturally we will stop chasing other people when we get serious

 

[Velasco]

Yes dude exactly how i handled it said i want chemistry and know a person well and if it's amazing, then naturally we will stop chasing other people when we get serious

you got it!

 

[Skjöldr]

I'm roasting her so hard haha. "I think you have a (in this language spelled one) girlfriend" me "one girlfriend? Nah" lmao

 

[Skills]

"low value as fuck horrible strategy" "I guarantee you he will never hear from her again"

Please allow me 1 second to bask in the validation of being right yet again

ok now

Calling her is the correct strategy. you want to specifically clarify THIS. how you never follow girls who say no. this is creepy behavior and your not like that. if need be you can talk with her friend in front of your girl about this lie. if you want to try bf/gf relationship with this 9/10. then by all means go for it, brother. what i would recommend tho, is to just be honest with who you are. that you like her but don't really know her that well, and her behavior right now is definitely NOT making you want to make her your gf right now. so you are welcome to give her a chance can meet and see if her in person behavior is different but if not then you wish her the best with her bf.

also final note: living in small city, doing daygame as your primer way of meeting girls, is difficult to continue getting new supply of girls this way without eventually getting caught. why i like ny nightlife with it's anonymity. so online game i guess for now, while you are with her.

facepalm! he would have gotten same result without resorting to that, you fail to understand this...

Her: Why did you call me?
Me: nvm
Her: You can stop contacting me, i'm dating someone
Me: Oh shit lol, i'm super happy to hear that Don't be afraid to give sound sometime when he starts getting wayyy too boring Just kidding... But forreal tho
Her: Thanks. Haha okay, i will think about it

She also said the reason she stopped contacting me was that she talked with her friend the night i approached her and her friend said i had also approached her and that she shouldnt go out with me because i'm crazy. She said i had approached her and kept following her when she had said no which is blatantly false because i always turn my heel when a girl keeps walking or gives me a no. Apparently some girls out there still have the wrong idea. Anyways, that's just life gaming girls in a small-medium sized city.

 

[Velasco]

he would have gotten same result without resorting to that

First of all, you said you guarantee he will never hear from her again....meaning by taking my advice, it was not going to get him the same result had he not done this "low odds horrible strategy".

He resorted to this (calling to flirt then set up soft close) cuz she ghosted him.

which is your advice when girls ghost:

Her: ghosting/ i don't feel comfortable/ i don't know you/ i am sort of seeing someone/etc...= objection/red/no that invested

^ depending on that answer, flirt, close or address shit test/objection.... then proceed...till you get a positive/green/go ahead/interested THEN SOFT CLOSE AGAIN, before hard closing, then rinse wash repeat if needed, get me guys?

Same as what Cientifico did when his girl ghosted him:

Dude I was explaining that I like and teach what cientifico did in a Ghost red situation,

Only I told him to call to re-seduce her over the phone VS send hail marry audio, as Cientifico.

What happen is, we found out that guy Phoenix saw her hanging out with that day, was her boyfriend (don't know if this is shit test not real boyfriend or not. Phoenix was unclear about that).

So then i said to wish her good luck with him and move on (but something funny so she can remember him for, so she can message him back when she's done with her guy). It happen a lot sooner, but reason she texted him is cuz he showed his willingness to walk away. Good argument to make that he could have just shown his willingness to walk away by not sending anything after she did not respond to his,

Me: (video of me petting a dog and filming around at the horses and the baby pony, which is walking around outside the fence)
Me: Think the oracle escaped

But this is hoping she doesn't feel too awkward about messaging him out of the blue after ghosting him (Cientifico's girl probably wasn't going to respond to him had he not send his hail marry audio) and that she will reach out under the premise that he is still interested enough in her to talk about (aka its not a waste of her time/energy to do so), "well if we are gonna start dating you cannot be doing xyz" and explain the friend situation.

Him reaching out to her signaled to her = there's good possibility he might be interested enough to hear what I'll say. Girls messaging you out of the blue is taking risk they will be rejected so they need some assurance that the guy will respond to them.

"The blue-breasted male cockateal moves slowly into the female's realm. AS his scent is picked up, the female displays her yellow-colored feather adornment. The male picks up on her interests and initiates the distinct coo sounds of an interested male. The female is pleased that her choice is responding to her mating cues, and responds in similar coo fashion..."

This practice seems to make the AI's more clear from the target. They seem eager to make it very easy to approach them if you show them there is no fear of rejection.

I, PUA: Interesting Article: pAImAI by Crablouse

ipua.blogspot.com

 

[Skills]

I said that I suspect she didn't have a boyfriend I was right... the advice you gave was assuming she had a boyfriend... I said assuming she had a boyfriend you sending the subcomunication, that I am here as second choice, waiting is a horrible strategy and as you can tell gives her the upper hand which is probably the reason of her demands, by the way the girl I am dating now did similar, I just stopped responding which is what I suggested she reached out..... the reason I brought up scientific for the 100 th time is cause Peter ask me what to do when a girl ghosts, nothing to do with this situation, 2 separate conversations, bro is ok for me not to like or like your suggestion in this case I didn't like it

 

[Velasco]

I said assuming she had a boyfriend you sending the subcomunication, that I am here as second choice, waiting is a horrible strategy and as you can tell gives her the upper hand which is probably the reason of her demands, by the way the girl I am dating now did similar, I just stopped responding which is what I suggested she reached out.

if this was the subcommunication she picked up, then she would not respond cuz he saying he is a fucking loser.

This is the subcommunication YOU picked up. which is irrelevant.

The subcommuncation she picked up is his willingness to walk away. Which is why she reached out 2 days later.

Reason for her demands (for her ghosting, for her being pissed about him calling) is cuz she was pissed about this:

she talked with her friend the night i approached her and her friend said i had also approached her and that she shouldnt go out with me because i'm crazy. She said i had approached her and kept following her when she had said no

Girl you are dating reason she reached out in warm way after 10 days of no contact is cuz she was not pissed at you or lost interest in you (your admitted misinterpretation). she just had her ex-bf in town, so it would be awkward to meet up with you with him there.

me: you should take a brake from all that hard work and dance with a sexy latin guy (SOFT CLOSE)

former onitis now flipped: Mmmmm

^ I really did not understand the mmmm for the soft close, since i had onitis, and i was out of the forum (ip banned supposedly by mistake but on purpose if you know what i mean), i had to rely on women to interpret the mmmmm (oh the silly things mild onitis make you do)

so i went for a safe face weird called to action (i really did not know what the "friend was" till now i realized it was an ex boyfriend that was in the friendzone but she did not want to be in an awkward situation since she thought i would find the situation weird and complicated)

so since this girl was a shit texter ( medical field, former exes did not like to text etc... get to the point style texting) and i put the mmmm a low investment effort, i got the hint so i wanted her bad same situation as peter.....

I got desperate and sent this:

me: sexy nurse in case you are not too tired and want to come out i am going to be at roxys (local club were we met) around 11

former onitis now flipped: is that your favorite spot? i would but my friend is in town till tomorrow and we are going around everywhere

^ it took that as a no, low investment,, so i radio silence did not answer....(at this point i did not have the intelligence i described about her texting style and reasoning that i explained)

10 days later

she ping me

former onitis now flipped: hey sweety

His girl was not going to be all "hey sweety" after not responding to his messages. different context requires different responses. not one size fits all.

the reason I brought up scientific for the 100 th time is cause Peter ask me what to do when a girl ghosts, nothing to do with this situation

well...she DID ghost him, so we did what Cientficio did and reached out to her to find out the situation.

bro is ok for me not to like or like your suggestion in this case I didn't like it

I know you don't like it lol. I am explaining why it worked. you don't have to like it, but don't dismiss it with, "it would have worked anyway" when you said earlier that you guarantee he will never hear from her again.

 

[Skills]

Yes I would get very excited and say awesome, if you are ever single again and I happen not to be dating anyone maybe we can get together and have an adventure... in the right context o can see that working, but again is not needed just act happy for her like it doesn't face you eventually she will be back... with the op was more like leave me alone don't bother me, and then he goes I am here for you if it doesn't work out... my argument is that it should not have gotten this far in the first place to that point...

If he sent that silly message or not it would have been same outcome and I didn't like the text

 

[Skjöldr]

Omg we were gonna call tonight and i confirmed saying i was gonna run some errands and what would a good time to call be and she said her grandma died shiiiiiit!!! This could make her sexually unavailable for a long time, potentially.

What do i say to her?
Her: "I can't afterall :/ Received message today that my grandmother is dead"

 

[Skjöldr]

I wanna show her empathy of course but i'm not sure how much space i should leave her or how hard i should push for a date/phone call or whatever or i should pause the seduction.

"I am sad to hear that HB, are you gonna go back to (hometown)?"
That would test the waters to see how urgent the matter is

 

[Skjöldr]

Also not sure how much i should ask into it, it's not helpful for the seduction and maybe it would be better to leave her space than that

 

[Skjöldr]

What also blows my mind is that this girl is so hot and yet i have attainability issues with her she thinks i have a girlfriend because my instagram is private and stuff and she's sad i approached her friend and it made her feel less special, it's almost like she views me above her because of the turn of events that have happened, alot of it indirect.

Me recalling what her hometown was could possibly make her go "ohh he remembers stuff about me" and those little things could go a long way.

 

[Skjöldr]

Okay so i called this girl. She absolutely kept insisting that if she starts seeing me i cannot see other people. Saying she doesn't fuck a dick that fucks other girls. I tried my absolute best to explain to her in the best way possible that i cannot burn my bridges just to start seeing her and she said that's fine then we cannot see eachother. Anyways, no one caved in, and it turned into a semi-argument and no one wanted to compromise so we just said alright then that's the way it is and hung up on eachother. She said how all the other guys she were dating all had agreed that they aren't gonna see anybody else while they see eachother and the last dude she dated (the one i saw) had said to her not to talk to other dudes and stuff and how flattered she were when he stalked through her instagram and liked old pictures occassionally. Obviously she stopped seeing him because "i dont know i just didnt feel it" which is woman speak for "I say i want one thing, and respond to another".

Anyways, it's a funky experience. Because i reeeeally want her and i reeeeally could see myself with this girl as my girlfriend, but i just cannot be dishonest and told her i will always be completely truthful which is why i am saying this, and it would be such a frame loss if i caved in and said "okay, we start seeing eachother and i stop seeing other girls". I don't know, i feel a knot in my stomach, because i want her so bad but i also know it is detrimental to start chasing and accept her frame. Who knows what other demands she will throw at me.

She told me that what she was explaining to me was how "dating is normally done", that you only see one person at a time. She also said all men think with their cocks. Maybe she have some resentment towards men. I was probably the only dude EVER in her life to tell her no. Towards the end of the call, because i was so frustrated and so soul-wrecked because it couldn't be resolved i just sat and said nothing and then she said "Haha okay... i'm gonna hang up now before it gets awkward" and i said "Yes, have a good evening" and hung up on her.

What puzzles me is that she reached out to me despite knowing i was a type of dude who goes around and approaches girls, saying she didn't feel special and giving me a sad emoji, seeking assurance from me. It seems to me she really wants me, but she just have some mental barrier. She wanted me to say "Yes ofc we're gonna be exclusive before even the first date". I don't know. My head's a mess right now. What i do know is that i improve day by day. She's not the last hottie i'll score. She is 2 years older than me, she is not gonna be the mother of my children anyways. Hot girls over 18 hatch every day. But i still wanna tap that pussy. FUUUUUUCK

She said "Now you can go stalk my instagram and regret your decision". She's a turbo-narcissist and obviously realizes she's super hot and can get any dude she wants. I told her "Why would i do that? That's a weird thing to say" and she said "It's a joke" and i said "okay..." treating her like she was acting socially uncalibrated. Idk, maybe i just dodged a bullet. She really wants to control the frame, shooting at me from the place of "I can get any dude i want, so woe onto you if you do not what i tell you to"

 

[Skjöldr]

@Skills @Velasco
Any way to turn this around?

Any contacting from here on will be regarded as submitting/chasing, won't it? She reached out before, maybe she will do it again.