Hi, I'm new. Guess I'll start by making a journal.

[KnownUniverse]

I’m sure everyone here would agree that there’s no use asking for help and advice until you’ve done everything in your own power to help yourself, correct? If anyone disagrees speak up.

my biggest issue at the moment is lack of persistence. Ejecting from interactions after getting a weak response instead of ploughing forward forcing her the engage in conversation.

another issue is when girls show signs of interest I start playing it safe and refrain from escalating as to not scare her away resulting in her losing interest in me.

there’s no point me asking advice until I’ve fixed these issues then I can say I’m doing everything in my power to succeed.

 

[KnownUniverse]

I realised no one really reads these journals so I might just write some brain vomit--I'm bored:

I spoke to someone who’s killing it in game and bragging about their success I reminded them that they live in Barcelona—They rely almost entirely on friendly travellers to approach. Yeah, with those women, a simple hello and compliment is all that’s needed to start a relationship. Those women are in the market, so to speak—they are looking for new people to meet so it’s way easier to game them than say if you were living in Manchester and had to rely on the local women for dates.

Those women have completely different attitudes than the ones on a holiday half way across the globe. I mean, we’re all familiar with the meme of the young female backpacker that travels the world sleeping with a different dude in every country. Tbh, it's a pre-covid meme when cold approach was main stream but it proves me point: if most of your success is coming from approaching out of town travellers, well, you’re kind of picking the low hanging fruit. Not too low of course, that’s saved for the western dudes that travel to developing countries. Pulling backpackers still requires game.

Now, local women--especially in countries like England, Australia and Canada--they really are the hardest to game don’t you think? When they are out and about during the day they are never casually strolling around like they’re in a museum the way travellers do coming across as extremely approachable. No--local girls, if they are alone, are usually storming through the streets with a mean look on their face like the friggin gestapo.

The only time you find them casually strolling is when they are grocery shopping so you’re limited to approaching them in busy supermarkets within ear shot of your local community members. But on the gritty city streets where most of us like to run our approaches how do they behave? Yeah, very closed off.

Unless they are with a friend (which is always) which brings me to the second obstacle: their attitude when they are with a friend is completely different than when they are alone. Suddenly their arrogance and confidence goes through the roof. No different than boys. And the last thing they want to do is show weakness in front of their friends by letting themselves get seduced by some normie. I always despised that when i was young--the boys that acted tough, cocky and rude around their friends but polite wimps when they're alone.

When local girls are alone the worse way they'll reject you is by ignoring you or saying "sorry" and rushing off. When they are with their friends suddenly they are much more brutal--They will sometimes scream at you or the friend will yell at you to f-off because she's jealous she's not getting hit on or sometimes if you say "Hi" they'll look at each other like you're a crazy person. it's fake bravado because she's with her friends.


But the biggest obstacle with local girls is simply their attitude—they aren’t in the market for making new friends so every stranger that’s approaches them is quickly categorised as a weirdo. This is why you need top tier game in this environment.

And while I do recognise the skill required for dudes to pull in cities like Barcelona, Miami and London I still take it with a grain of salt--because they are mostly working on travelling women. It’s funny when you think about it. That friendly warm Italian girl you approached in Barcelona and went on an Instadate with would probably be an entirely different person if you hit on her in her home town while she was on her way home from work or something her mindset would be more like “fuck off, I’ve had a big day I don’t want to deal with your shit” instead of "wow, hello! who is this kind stranger come to greet me".

Hmm, I really do sound like a cynical old bastard don't I. Old man ramblings right here. Well, I see it as a good thing because despite how cynical I am I still see hope. I think that means a lot more than if it came from someone with rose colored glasses.

I wish I could ramble like this when i talked to attractive women though but instead i get mental blocks and dont know what to say without feeling like an idiot. Maybe that's my god-tier intuition telling me that rambling to hotties will turn them off?

Did someone say rose-colored glasses?

 

[average_daygamer]

Wait, I've not seen this thread before. Are you approaching in the UK?

Interesting interaction in the club with your hat being snatched.

I actually had a similar incident with a group of girls who actually formed a "pack" and chased me off the 1st floor out onto the ground floor.

They can be surprisingly aggressive little shits, can't they?

That move she did by turning you by the shoulder was a step too far.

That was the approach I did on a girl that got a bad blowout which lead to the incident where they chased me off.

And that wasn't even in an angry way!

Well done on the night out. Staying out til 5am though? Sheesh.

I normally leave the club by 3am at the latest, I need those few hours of sleep!

Edit: I've just read back through your thread and realised that I have already commented.

You do not live in the UK, but a commonwealth country, which makes me think either NZ or Australia.

But confusingly, your post nightgame field report has come through at 5am UK time, which, along with the context of your rant about girls on the gritty Manchester city streets, made me think you were in the UK.

It's a shame you are not as I would suggest a linkup otherwise as I am also solo all the time out here in the UK.

 

[KnownUniverse]

An approach means being in set and putting an effort into closing:

This loosely defined term in the pua community needs clarification. The blackpill youtuber named Wheat Waffles claimed to have done 500 cold approaches resulting in only 1 date. I've heard similar complaints from a lot of people. I'm willing to bet 75% of those approaches weren't actual approaches but weak opens or non-closes.

FYI: saying hello to a woman and getting ignored or instantly blown off within the first few minutes is not an approach. You did an open. You did a friendly greeting. You didnt approach anyone. What you did was no different than what those salespeople do at kiosk booths. You pinged a bunch of random people and ejected.

An approach is classified as starting a conversation with a woman, running your game (whatever your method is) then going for the close and either getting rejected or succeeding. THAT is an approach.

 

[KnownUniverse]

well, im getting better at making girls stop and engage me in the street. After i've got that down pat i'll be working on phase 2: seducing them on the spot.

 

[KnownUniverse]

slowly making progress.

I hooked up with two girls tonight (no lay unfortunately). Both fit, european and in their mid 20s. And i did it without having to mass approach. Majority of my approaches were strong and meaningful compared to previous nights were im just opening 20-30 women all night and instantly getting rejected until I find a green.

I also think one dude was trying to prey on me too. I felt like slugging him in the face to be honest. I'm at the bar trying to talk to women and this dude keeps talking to me and leaning in like he wants to kiss me. It was making me very angry. I told him "don't fucking test me" 2 or 3 times until he walked away.

 

[gameboy]

I hooked up with two girls tonight

As in, two makeouts? Or what? Tell us a bit more! Two makeouts in one night os not at all bad. Never did that myself, probably because once im kissing a girl shes mine for the night lol

I also think one dude was trying to prey on me too.

Damn what is it with other dudes recently ... some guys are just annoying af

 

[OldGuy]

Just shut down the gay guy with "I am straight'. Do it politely and quietly. I had one coming on to me once, while an ex-girlfriend is trying to use him to make me jealous. (Did not work.)

 

[KnownUniverse]

As in, two makeouts? Or what? Tell us a bit more! Two makeouts in one night os not at all bad. Never did that myself, probably because once im kissing a girl shes mine for the night lol

yeah. Well, i think they liked me. I was socialising all day from before i even went to the bars so once i was there i was full of energy. That's probably why that dude was acting gay with me. I gave him a hint and asked if he's talking to women tonight or just men and he said he has a girlfriend which is why i was getting angry that he kept giving me bedroom eyes and leaning in like he wants to kiss me because he's telling me he's straight but he's acting like a homosexual.

Would be nice if those girls hung around all night after we kissed but they seemed to often dissappear in the mayhem at some point.

i mostly utilise 60yoc method when going to bars but not entirely. I think everyone cherry picks what works for them.

 

[KnownUniverse]

I just saw a video of pick-up artist named Scotty Brian on youtube picking up girls outside a night club in miami. It's good to see some guys still making those kinds of infields--wish it were more though. The good thing is he also in this late 30s and the footage was only from this week. Inspiration. Night game.

 

[KnownUniverse]

well my stopping power has reached very high levels. Today i opened several women who were storming through town on their way home from work and nearly all of them stopped and engaged me without me having to walk with them shoulder to shoulder or jump in front of them and force them to stop (london stop). I was able to get a few minutes of game in before they pulled themselves away however i admit my post-opener game for those situations has not been properly developed yet.

But the fact that these women who previously would give me the cold shoulder (cold face local stunners on their way home from work AT NIGHT) were now stopping in their tracks and engaging me is a big milestone.

I'd also add that some people have commented on my apparell that i look like a horny homeless man. I wear sneakers, cargo pants, hoodie and a beanie. I suspect this was half the reason people would often swerve me.

 

[AspiringStoic]

@KnownUniverse

Just skimmed through your journal. Props for taking action. Most guys would never even try.

But from a brief reading of the posts, I see a lot of negativity emanating. From wanting to punch guys, to resentment towards hot girls etc. A good thing to try would be a Tony Robbins Positivity Challenge. Trying to rewire those thinking patterns to more positive patterns.

Bottomline is that people love people who are radiating positivity and good vibes. If there is huge resentment, anger and negative vibes, no Game can mask or overcome it. On a base level it repels people and especially women.

Until you can take a mean rejection and laugh about it and smile and still wish the person a good day without getting angry and sniping back at them, cold approach is going to be very hard! You need to reach that zen state and the way to get there is more cold approaches with a focus on giving.

A great exercise would be to go out for a month everyday and give 3 women a compliment. No conversation, no number close, nothing.

Do it with just the objective of putting a smile on those women's faces without needing ANYTHING from them. You will be amazed at the results.

And if you cannot do it, there will be some significant discoveries of what work needs to be done.

 

[KnownUniverse]

@KnownUniverse

Just skimmed through your journal. Props for taking action. Most guys would never even try.

But from a brief reading of the posts, I see a lot of negativity emanating. From wanting to punch guys, to resentment towards hot girls etc. A good thing to try would be a Tony Robbins Positivity Challenge. Trying to rewire those thinking patterns to more positive patterns.

Bottomline is that people love people who are radiating positivity and good vibes. If there is huge resentment, anger and negative vibes, no Game can mask or overcome it. On a base level it repels people and especially women.

Until you can take a mean rejection and laugh about it and smile and still wish the person a good day without getting angry and sniping back at them, cold approach is going to be very hard! You need to reach that zen state and the way to get there is more cold approaches with a focus on giving.

A great exercise would be to go out for a month everyday and give 3 women a compliment. No conversation, no number close, nothing.

Do it with just the objective of putting a smile on those women's faces without needing ANYTHING from them. You will be amazed at the results.

And if you cannot do it, there will be some significant discoveries of what work needs to be done.

True that. I ain’t no mother Teresa.

 

[KnownUniverse]

the thing with me is i use game to escape all the negativity in my life not to share the positivity like most others do.

The doctors want to put me on meds - anxiety medication, anti-depressants, dexamphetamine, sleeping tablets - but i'm anti-drugs like Steve Jobs until it kills me. It's a hang up. I'm terrified of losing control of my mind. I wish there were magic words to fix these problems (therapy) but at the end of the day i suspect it's be doped up or live with it.

The thing though is I'm concious of my actions so i can steer my life towards the right direction but doing it organically (without drugs and isolating myself) will take a long time. Old habits die hard.

 

[KnownUniverse]

One poor mental habit im prone to is assuming negativity. I have to start forcing myself to assume positivity so i'm not self-sabotaging before i even begin (opening with fear and weakness assuming rejection. escalating poorly assuming rejection are some examples).

 

[AspiringStoic]

One poor mental habit im prone to is assuming negativity. I have to start forcing myself to assume positivity so i'm not self-sabotaging before i even begin (opening with fear and weakness assuming rejection. escalating poorly assuming rejection are some examples).

All these will be fixed by the exercise I suggested. With these negative habits firmly in place, it would be very difficult to get any "results" from women. You are going to be radiating negative energy and you will receive that in return and it will further strengthen your negativity and on and on the negative spiral goes.

So its time to consider trying to be a Mother Theresa in order to break these patterns.

Good luck on your journey!

 

[KnownUniverse]

I enjoy challenging women rather than complimenting them.

 

[KnownUniverse]

had an interesting day of interactions: I opened one chick as she was passing - i stopped and said "i like this outfit" as i looked her up and down. She laughed and said "i can't hear you" but she kept walking even though our eyes were locked. I wasnt thinking on my feet and i just stood there hoping she'd stop but she didnt. Two guys walking directly behind her passed and one gave me a weird look so i impulsively said "what's up" and shoved him. Whoops.

Then I opened a very young 9/10 chick who was walking with her frumpy friend. I opened her with a cold read that hooked her instantly. She stopped and smiled wide, looking at me with diluted pupils. She asked me to continue so I started commenting on her look and sexually escalating. she was being compliant but once i held her hands her frumpy friend pulled her away.

Then there were a couple of other similar interactions. I didnt ask for any numbers i just try escalate and get compliance until they walk away. It doesnt help that I'm doing this in a city full of drug addicts at 7pm at night but there's less AA on my end because there's not as many people around to watch me or spotlight effect.