How does a 49 year old virgin make up for what he missed?

[Rakehell]

These guys both look like hip hop stars, they have a strong pop culture appeal to thots.

I guess every guy with a fitted cap and brown skin is a hip hop star now.

 

[ph40]

I guess every guy with a fitted cap and brown skin is a hip hop star now.

Well let's be honest, they're certainly not pudgy 49 year old white guys with "dad bod" and rocking New Balance sneakers.

Style and cultural appeal go a long way to attracting a certain kind of woman.

 

[Beam]

There is nothing you can offer her that she can't get from someone who pays her for it.

Uh, what about an intense emotional and sexual experience from a man she is truly, deeply attracted to? I think you are forgetting what site you are on.

 

[FrothySolutions]

Chase has book called “How to make girls chase.” it’s under $50 bucks. Go buy, read it, and go talk to women.

Along the way upgrade your style and get a gym membership.

You are out approaching women you will notice patterns that pop up over and over again of things that cause you problems or things your don’t understand. These are called “sticking points.“ Come here and ask us about these sticking points and then go out and apply the advice we give you.

The rest is all mental masturbation right now.

That's another thing about this forum. It seems the the entire game, everything, is about the face to face encounter. If I ask "How do girls do sex on me" the answer will always come back "You must encounter them face to face, and use your seduction skills/show off your fundamentals."

But what I'm looking for is on the Internet first. I want Internet women to take notice of me. Fitness models and porn stars and stuff. A tall order? Absolutely. Maybe impossible for me. But I'd like to know how it's done at least.

 

[ph40]

Uh, what about an intense emotional and sexual experience from a man she is truly, deeply attracted to? I think you are forgetting what site you are on.

She can get great sex and intimacy from many men. Even ones that give her resources. You aren't very unique if all you provide is dick and conversation. I think you overestimate how rare you are, and underestimate how much more women can gain from their choice of sex partners in this world. Why should a beautiful woman settle for a man who can only provide good sex, if she can realistically find someone who can provide good sex, lifestyle experiences, and financial resources?

 

[Beam]

That's another thing about this forum. It seems the the entire game, everything, is about the face to face encounter. If I ask "How do girls do sex on me" the answer will always come back "You must encounter them face to face, and use your seduction skills/show off your fundamentals."

But what I'm looking for is on the Internet first. I want Internet women to take notice of me. Fitness models and porn stars and stuff. A tall order? Absolutely. Maybe impossible for me. But I'd like to know how it's done at least.

Where do you live? These "internet women" don't just live on the internet, they go to the supermarket, to the mall, to withdraw money from the ATM. She has so many guys vying for her attention online, how do you think you will stand out from the rest of the pack right now? Possible? Yes, but it will take time to build up your profile, get followers etc. I guarantee you, the quickest (and easiest way) for you to stand out RIGHT NOW is to cold approach. That is impressive. Also, the forum doesn't blanket say the entire game is about cold approach - a lot of guys use online as a backup option to keep the pipeline full. Which is perfectly fine. Start cold approaching, and at the same start start building up your life so that you can start showing it off on instagram. It's a long term game.

 

[Warped Mindless]

That's another thing about this forum. It seems the the entire game, everything, is about the face to face encounter. If I ask "How do girls do sex on me" the answer will always come back "You must encounter them face to face, and use your seduction skills/show off your fundamentals."

But what I'm looking for is on the Internet first. I want Internet women to take notice of me. Fitness models and porn stars and stuff. A tall order? Absolutely. Maybe impossible for me. But I'd like to know how it's done at least.

Serious question, have you ever been checked for autism?

 

[FrothySolutions]

Where do you live? These "internet women" don't just live on the internet, they go to the supermarket, to the mall, to withdraw money from the ATM. She has so many guys vying for her attention online, how do you think you will stand out from the rest of the pack right now? Possible? Yes, but it will take time to build up your profile, get followers etc. I guarantee you, the quickest (and easiest way) for you to stand out RIGHT NOW is to cold approach. That is impressive. Also, the forum doesn't blanket say the entire game is about cold approach - a lot of guys use online as a backup option to keep the pipeline full. Which is perfectly fine. Start cold approaching, and at the same start start building up your life so that you can start showing it off on instagram. It's a long term game.

But the thing about that is, at that point she wouldn't be chasing me. I would be chasing her. If I'm focusing on approaching.

But the online game, simply having a nice looking profile is one thing, but how do I attract the right women? The Internet sluts I'm so captivated by? Maybe I could be good at drawing. Become a popular fantasy artist. But I might instead attract a bunch of nerds. And I'm not interested in nerds.

Serious question, have you ever been checked for autism?

Not formally, but it's one of those things. Like "low testosterone." It has such a subjective standard, some doctors will say "No, you're fine," others will say "Yeah, you've got it."

 

[ph40]

But the thing about that is, at that point she wouldn't be chasing me. I would be chasing her. If I'm focusing on approaching.

But the online game, simply having a nice looking profile is one thing, but how do I attract the right women? The Internet sluts I'm so captivated by? Maybe I could be good at drawing. Become a popular fantasy artist. But I might instead attract a bunch of nerds. And I'm not interested in nerds.



Not formally, but it's one of those things. Like "low testosterone." It has such a subjective standard, some doctors will say "No, you're fine," others will say "Yeah, you've got it."

At this point I think you're trolling, because no one can be so daft as to completely misunderstand the value proposition in this situation. Some people on here might have an inflated sense of their worth to women or vice versa, but you're not even in the ballpark.

Let's be frank here. A porn star or fitness model online has ZERO interest in a 49 year old virgin with little to offer her in terms of resources or otherwise. These women have thousands of men throwing themselves at her, men with money, men without money, men with bodybuilder bodies, men with fame and social status, etc.

Ask yourself, if you were at a high end restaurant, and you were hungry, and could buy anything you wanted - money being no object - would you settle for a single piece of bread (free) or would you buy a seven course dinner with tableside service? Because in the mating game, right now, you're a stale piece of bread, and these Instagram fitness models and porn stars are the wealthy diners in the high end restaurant trying to decide what to eat.

 

[Beam]

But the thing about that is, at that point she wouldn't be chasing me. I would be chasing her. If I'm focusing on approaching.

You can make women chase and invest in you even if you approach her first. Understand that men need to make the first move almost all the time. Even online, even if you have an amazing profile and tons of girls liking your pics, you are still probably going to have to be the one to message them first to kick things off. What you are wishing for, will only happen if you're a celebrity...

But the online game, simply having a nice looking profile is one thing, but how do I attract the right women? The Internet sluts I'm so captivated by? Maybe I could be good at drawing. Become a popular fantasy artist. But I might instead attract a bunch of nerds. And I'm not interested in nerds.

You seem so hyperfocused on finding the right women, but are forgetting that a crucial part of getting her will involve becoming more experienced with women and people in general. Have a read of this article:

The 'Pay Your Dues' Approach to Incredible Social Skills

If you wait for life to give you chances to improve your social skills, you'll wait a long time. Create your own chances by becoming a socially attractive individual. Toby was a guy life never really gave a chance. Often he imagined his bright future: a beautiful girlfriend; the leader of a cool...

www.girlschase.com

Right now, you are being like Toby. And it won't get you anywhere. Try to be more like Austin.,

Oh and by all means, take up drawing and making fantasy art. Sounds cool.

 

[Wick]

You're forgetting too that for some of us who have a yearly income of over 7 figures, paying these kinds of sums is kind of like paying $100 for someone who makes an average salary.

Hire a good coach instead. My goodness gracious.

 

[Lover]

But the thing about that is, at that point she wouldn't be chasing me. I would be chasing her. If I'm focusing on approaching.

Draw conclusions after you get experience, not before. Honey has a sweet taste but you won't know that until you try it

 

[ph40]

Hire a good coach instead. My goodness gracious.

I could hire a coach, but I can also spend that money to hire a woman.

 

[sab]

There's no going back in time for any of us. Just have to accept things as they are. Like who cares. There are examples of many others' whose lives were cut short. Or others who became para or quadraplegic so the rest of their lives was tragic. I guess the main thing is to go forward with what you can work at. There is no "making up" or "reliving the past in a different way". Like so what. Not all the billions of guys in the world have the same lives. Only a fraction of guys in the whole world actually live in the better first world countries of the western civilized world and in our spoiled and hypergamic cultures. Well, I'm similar to you in a way. Didn't have any sex until 36 , and I'd given up and seen a "provider" already. Which was underwhelming (and I would not recommend to someone new to it, as I have to live with regrets of it for the rest of my life). So now my next goals are for a relationship someday which I still haven't "achieved" yet. But I'm not deluded to think I'll ever have a "full" sex life or multiple gf's like others in their 20's and 30's, nor will I ever "make up for it", nor do I really care. I just want one decent relationship and it doesn't have to be an early 20's attractive female, but if it's not to be, it's ok too, as I'm used to being alone for life in the "worst" case with other goals. Cheers.

Need to change your mindset and limiting beliefs.

I would just buy a high priced escort, so at least you have the experience of feeling a beautiful young female body.

Spare no expense. Get the one you are most attracted to. Yes. there will not be any real emotional connection, but you will have experienced one of the most beautiful women in the world, physically. That, to me, is worth it, far more than seducing some average or below average looking woman, and getting sex that way.

Ideally, an emotional connection and a long term relationship with someone you are physically attracted to is what you want, but I think in your situation that ship has sailed already. Going down the path of approaching women at this point in your life and learning game might lead you to bed some women, but they will not be of a high physical caliber. It's just not likely to attain a beautiful woman at your age through seduction alone, so unless you have very low standards, I would go the "pay for play" route to experience sex with a beautiful woman (if beauty is important to you, as it is to me).

I respectfully disagree. Age, height etc... are no barrier to having beautiful women in your life. As long as, you work on becoming a person of excellence in other areas of your life (confidence, charm, leadership/responsibility, health....).

 

[FrothySolutions]

At this point I think you're trolling, because no one can be so daft as to completely misunderstand the value proposition in this situation. Some people on here might have an inflated sense of their worth to women or vice versa, but you're not even in the ballpark.

Let's be frank here. A porn star or fitness model online has ZERO interest in a 49 year old virgin with little to offer her in terms of resources or otherwise. These women have thousands of men throwing themselves at her, men with money, men without money, men with bodybuilder bodies, men with fame and social status, etc.

Ask yourself, if you were at a high end restaurant, and you were hungry, and could buy anything you wanted - money being no object - would you settle for a single piece of bread (free) or would you buy a seven course dinner with tableside service? Because in the mating game, right now, you're a stale piece of bread, and these Instagram fitness models and porn stars are the wealthy diners in the high end restaurant trying to decide what to eat.

That's why I'm asking you guys "What value would I have to have in order for Internet women to chase me?" I'm not saying I, as I am, am worth chasing. I'm here to learn what I need to do and be in order to get chased. How to have fitness porn stars reaching out to me. Like other men get to experience.

Men who don't seem to show off 7 figure lifestyles, I gotta add.

You can make women chase and invest in you even if you approach her first. Understand that men need to make the first move almost all the time. Even online, even if you have an amazing profile and tons of girls liking your pics, you are still probably going to have to be the one to message them first to kick things off. What you are wishing for, will only happen if you're a celebrity...



You seem so hyperfocused on finding the right women, but are forgetting that a crucial part of getting her will involve becoming more experienced with women and people in general. Have a read of this article:

The 'Pay Your Dues' Approach to Incredible Social Skills

If you wait for life to give you chances to improve your social skills, you'll wait a long time. Create your own chances by becoming a socially attractive individual. Toby was a guy life never really gave a chance. Often he imagined his bright future: a beautiful girlfriend; the leader of a cool...

www.girlschase.com

Right now, you are being like Toby. And it won't get you anywhere. Try to be more like Austin.,

Oh and by all means, take up drawing and making fantasy art. Sounds cool.

Nor do they approach. Case in point, Black Freckles is being followed by a porn star and he didn't even know it. Had no idea who she was until I brought this to his attention. And she's the one messaging him. Is he a "celebrity?" He runs a podcast, but I think that's it.

And sure, having experience with women could never hurt me. But I'm not looking for just any success, I have specific hyperfocus on a particular kind of success. I'm not saying I'm not gonna seek experience with women. But I don't "want" these women. I only do what I need to do in order to get what I want.

Draw conclusions after you get experience, not before. Honey has a sweet taste but you won't know that until you try it

If I'm approaching, the chase is mine. I've initiated the chase. Her chasing me would be her coming after me, not me coming after her.

 

[sab]

You're forgetting too that for some of us who have a yearly income of over 7 figures, paying these kinds of sums is kind of like paying $100 for someone who makes an average salary.

Also, for these girls, you would absolutely not be able to cold approach and get it for free. They pretty much only sleep with guys for money. I mean, at that point, if multiple men are paying thousands to sleep with you, why would someone like that ever give it up for free? There is nothing you can offer her that she can't get from someone who pays her for it. There are rich, good-looking guys that are paying, so the "good looking" argument doesn't fly either.

For instance, let's pretend you are a freelance programmer or web designer. And you have multiple clients paying you tens of thousands of dollars for your service. But it takes up a lot of your time. Do you think you'd ever design a website or program an app for free on top of all the paid stuff you're doing? Unless you want to spend all your time doing that one thing, you're probably going to focus more on your actual, professional, business ventures than giving away your talent for free, and instead spend your "Free time" on something that isn't business related.

For this reason, high class escorts, or upper-end sugar babies will rarely be seeing a guy that doesn't provide for her in some way. She might be seeing multiple guys that provide resources for her, but a guy that offers only "conversation and dick" is usually pretty low on her list of priorities.

It is sad men have to pay for sex.

 

[Tim Iron]

Maybe he just got a mediocre hooker.

I would not go to a run-of-the-mill prostitute, or to a brothel for this. I would find a high-priced escort who provides the "girlfriend experience". It will be pricy, but it's worth it. Like thousands of dollars pricy, but if you can't get the "real thing" (a relationship with a beautiful woman), a facsimile of it (a beautiful woman pretending to be your girlfriend for a moment) is well worth it, so at least you don't die without having experienced that excitement. There are some women out there who are more beautiful than any you could seduce using game on the street, club, or bar, and they do provide a reasonably accurate level of engagement that makes you feel like you're part of a relationship. But again, they are pricy - depending on length of time you spend, thousands to tens of thousands of dollars pricy. But in this guy's situation, it will be worth it.

For example, if you want to look up one that I highly recommend, take the first name of singer Lana Del Rey, and the last name of action hero Indiana Jones, put them together, and search for that if you so desire. She has her own site that shows you photos of her, lists all of her requirements, how to contact her, and proper protocol.

Do you get commissions for doing this?

 

[Tim Iron]

Ph40 keeps including the topic of paying for sex in every discussion.

 

[FrothySolutions]

Ph40 keeps including the topic of paying for sex in every discussion.

If you can show me attention from popular Internet sluts, I'm open to all methods. I'm just saying when I look into the kinds of men popular Internet sluts follow on social media, they don't appear to be millionaires. Nor do they approach these women.

 

[ph40]

It is sad men have to pay for sex.

You realize that you're paying for sex no matter what you do.

The time you spend chasing women in the club, or approaching during the day, and all the time you spent building your skills, is time that you could have spent increasing your bankroll. So you missed out on earning money (either immediately or long-term, when you could have spent time building a business) by spending all that time chasing women.

Everything has an opportunity cost. If you're not paying directly with money, you're paying with time, and time = money.