How hard is it for an average guy to get laid and/or get a girlfriend in this day and age?

[Shake&Bake]

This is the million dollar question. Obviously the answer cant be too easy because that takes alot of appeal out of this site and every average guy you see would have a gf. But not the case from what I seen. So what is it that you think?

 

[trashKENNUT]

So what is it that you think?

Value conflict.

The guys, which is your family and friends who have gotten girlfriends, are girls they have been "working on" for like what? 3 months? 6 months? 1 year? 3 years?

If you working on a girl for 6 months but you rarely see her. More of just text here n there per month, that's a big difference.

People now have "long distance relationships" because their fellow country males, "sucks".

Value conflict, leverage, novelty, tribe (post modernism), skillsets really.

z@c+

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I think it depends,

My idea of average and yours could be totally different, but IMO, average is not very good. More or less, average stinks. Average is average for a reason. Even here, we’re aiming to be “skilled seducers” here i.e., much much better than average.

Because of this, dating for average guys is hard. But I still see a good amount of “average guys” with cute/decent girlfriends every now and again.

I suppose the good thing to take away from this is that this site exists for the sole purpose so that the average guys don’t have to be average for much longer (I’m sure as hell glad it exists!) An average guy finding and applying the teachings from gc/ss won’t be average for very long, at least hopefully

 

[DoWhatWorks]

This is the million dollar question. Obviously the answer cant be too easy because that takes alot of appeal out of this site and every average guy you see would have a gf. But not the case from what I seen. So what is it that you think?

It's not that hard - the average guy just isn't willing to put in the work. That's what makes him average in the 1st place haha. If you took the "average guy" and made him talk to an "above average" amount of girls everyday... He could get a gf in 6 months max.

It's why pua/seduction is a hard business to run because if a guy takes your advice and puts the work in, he doesn't need you anymore.

 

[Shake&Bake]

It's not that hard - the average guy just isn't willing to put in the work. That's what makes him average in the 1st place haha. If you took the "average guy" and made him talk to an "above average" amount of girls everyday... He could get a gf in 6 months max.

It's why pua/seduction is a hard business to run because if a guy takes your advice and puts the work in, he doesn't need you anymore.

That doesn't near the reality I'm seeing. I was one of those guys approaching girls everyday and didn't get a gf. You must live around some very smooth men.

It seems that the work put in is easy work for someone who has already done it.

 

[DarkKnight]

Shake you are regressing to your old behavior. Again seeking advice and then rejecting it. Have you worked at your fundamentals at least since a year or when you were last active?

 

[Shake&Bake]

Shake you are regressing to your old behavior. Again seeking advice and then rejecting it. Have you worked at your fundamentals at least since a year or when you were last active?

Of course I have. But it's not enough

 

[James D]

Not that hard.

Depends what you mean by average.

But I was average when I got my first girlfriend, a hot Kazakh.

Make the moves, push things forward.

Some fundamentals adjustment helps of course.

But really, it's not so hard. Find a girl who's receptive, be friendly but sexual, have a date and deep dive and all, isolate her and kiss her.

That said, I'd rather strive to become far above average and increase the amount of women receptive to me.

 

[ulrich]

Easy, difficult, hard... those are arbitrary terms.
What is difficult to you may be a breeze to a master (or a lucky man).

@Shake&Bake What is exactly the problem going on with you?

Trying to answer categorical questions is basically running in circles.

 

[trashKENNUT]

I am pretty sure @Shake&Bake is having a difficult time.

Let's not bash him. What's going on? Is the game feel rigged towards you? btw. I just wreck my Playstation 4 controller. That emotional sales funnel though. They got to keep pressing my dopamine button so that i keep playing. and i was pissed.

Anyway, let's breakdown together. Are you pissed off at the game? or the approach or that you feel that other men are ahead of you? Let's break things into small parts like how i break my controller. XD

z@c+

 

[DonGately]

It's not that hard - the average guy just isn't willing to put in the work. That's what makes him average in the 1st place haha. If you took the "average guy" and made him talk to an "above average" amount of girls everyday... He could get a gf in 6 months max.

It's why pua/seduction is a hard business to run because if a guy takes your advice and puts the work in, he doesn't need you anymore.

couldn't agree more it's not that hard for Mr. Avg to get laid if he puts in any work. Way less than 6 months for sure. Just dressing right his odds would go up 5-10x. Lose 5-10 lbs [or gain if too skinny] even more so.

 

[Shake&Bake]

I am pretty sure @Shake&Bake is having a difficult time.

Let's not bash him. What's going on? Is the game feel rigged towards you? btw. I just wreck my Playstation 4 controller. That emotional sales funnel though. They got to keep pressing my dopamine button so that i keep playing. and i was pissed.

Anyway, let's breakdown together. Are you pissed off at the game? or the approach or that you feel that other men are ahead of you? Let's break things into small parts like how i break my controller. XD

z@c+

The game has always felt rigged to me. The amount of work you have to do to get girls seems unheard of. I know 80/20 but becoming that top 20 percent is very difficult to reach

 

[trashKENNUT]

The game has always felt rigged to me. The amount of work you have to do to get girls seems unheard of. I know 80/20 but becoming that top 20 percent is very difficult to reach

Is this more to

1)bad experiences with girls growing up
2)you have a big goal
3)pickup feels far away from your upbringing values
4)you are more pragmatic with girls and that it is more of a negotiation with the other gender

Which one feels like its close to your experience?

z@c+

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

The game has always felt rigged to me. The amount of work you have to do to get girls seems unheard of. I know 80/20 but becoming that top 20 percent is very difficult to reach

This is not productive thinking. This is whining. The world is not out to get you. The game is not rigged against you.

Reading through your post history though this is not the first time, and I wouldn't be surprised if you are IRT.

 

[Shake&Bake]

This is not productive thinking. This is whining. The world is not out to get you. The game is not rigged against you.

Reading through your post history though this is not the first time, and I wouldn't be surprised if you are IRT.

I wonder when you are giving advice do you actually believe people are going to

Is this more to

1)bad experiences with girls growing up
2)you have a big goal
3)pickup feels far away from your upbringing values
4)you are more pragmatic with girls and that it is more of a negotiation with the other gender

Which one feels like its close to your experience?

z@c+

Bad experiences? Eh. I guess you can say that. A girl never broke up with me and hooked up with my best friend or nothing like that. But, for the most part I struggled all my life with women. Tried slot of things but nothing seemed to work. It felt very emotionally draining. Stop pursuing women because of how draining they are to get.

2. I do have a big goal actually. I want my body count to reach a 1000. Sounds crazy I know but that's the height I want to reach. I only 1000 more then I'm there lol.

3. Eh not really. My dad is kinda big on cold approach. I used to be embarrassed by it but it became one of those cool things because my dad would have hot women that my friends would see. I knew about pickup for years before reading this one. Used to read alot of Jesse Charger and Josh Pellicer

4. Hard to say really. I try to make myself as attractive as I can be but women are for it you know.if I were to do I self diagnosis yes I have terrible game and I not particularly great at conversations but I'm trying in spite of that

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I wonder when you are giving advice do you actually believe people are going to

I do not know what this means.
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Upon further thought, however, maybe I shouldn’t have called you out on just my second overall forum post. A little uncalibrated on my part, I’ll admit. If you’re not IRT then I apologize.

But I do think this line of thinking is unproductive and whiney. And saying the amount of work is unheard of is kind of weird when you’re on a forum of literally dozens to hundreds of guys doing said work successfully.

 

[ulrich]

@Shake&Bake OK, let's set expectations straight, first. 1,000 is a ludicrous number.
It can be done but seduction would need to become something you do seriously 24/7... and I mean serious, more serious than your job or anything else.

Many of the grandmasters here have shared that they stop caring once they're between 100-200 because at that point it feels like endless grinding and seduction drops from their priorities.

This actually suggests that you're so out of touch with this subject that you're having unrealistic expectations.

So let's begin from the very start.

1) How old are you?
2) How many girls have you flirted with?
3) How many girls have you dated?
4) How many girls have you kissed?
5) What is the most common obstacle you face? (be specific)
6) Do girls show interest in you and you drop the ball or do they show no interest at all?
7) How do you measure against your male peers in terms of handsomeness and sociability?
8) What things have you tried that didn't work? (again, be specific)

 

[trashKENNUT]

Bad experiences? Eh. I guess you can say that. A girl never broke up with me and hooked up with my best friend or nothing like that. But, for the most part I struggled all my life with women. Tried slot of things but nothing seemed to work. It felt very emotionally draining. Stop pursuing women because of how draining they are to get.

2. I do have a big goal actually. I want my body count to reach a 1000. Sounds crazy I know but that's the height I want to reach. I only 1000 more then I'm there lol.

3. Eh not really. My dad is kinda big on cold approach. I used to be embarrassed by it but it became one of those cool things because my dad would have hot women that my friends would see. I knew about pickup for years before reading this one. Used to read alot of Jesse Charger and Josh Pellicer

4. Hard to say really. I try to make myself as attractive as I can be but women are for it you know.if I were to do I self diagnosis yes I have terrible game and I not particularly great at conversations but I'm trying in spite of that

Well, most guys who are elites, reach 100-300. Let's make your first goal, 10 girls.

Your goal be like
- 10 girls to ask for directions this week
- 10 girls to say Hello the next week
- 10 girls to ask for number the next next week
and so on

What you are doing is basically not draining your emotions out. It should be natural if you have a dad who is kinda big on cold approach but maybe you just not into girls. You are more into getting girls in social circles. That's what i likely feel that you are just accustomed to.

The last part is the skillset. That will take awhile but it should be fine. All of us do move up slowly, despite all the flashy results that people are getting here. It takes some time, but that's okay.

z@c+

 

[Rain]

5) What is the most common obstacle you face? (be specific)

It might approach anxiety for him. It is for me[I can do cold approach but its really hard to get in the mood consistently]. He did have a thread about it, I don't know if he was able to overcome it. Shake, do you still have too much approach anxiety?

 

[Will_V]

Is approaching girls fun for you? It should be like jumping off a high rock into the water - scary at first, exhilarating afterward, no matter how big the splash. And never too serious, just fun.

Like just tonight I walked into a group of four stunners and just went "I don't know which of you girls is the cutest". That's a bit of a dead-end intro, but I just wanted to say it (it was also kind of true). They all giggled like a bunch of geese, and I just enjoyed being there.

This sort of thing puts me in such a good mood, I ended up talking to the hottest girl I've laid my eyes on this year, a beautiful Iranian with a perfect body, dental surgeon of all things. Ended up having a boyfriend, but me being in such a good mood and unflappable made it the kind of interaction that just reminds you that even the hottest women aren't that complicated.

My friend, you should be enjoying every minute of it. Girls are cute and fun. Just put on a big smile, raise your hand, and say your piece. Laugh inside whatever happens, and keep your grace.

PS stop focusing on BS numbers